As you know, I'm sure, births and deaths weren't required by law to be officially recorded till much after this date, so your only hope of finding this sort thing is probably a church record.......and, as you have no idea where, in the commonwealth of Pa they lived, you have your work cut out for you, I'm afraid. As children were born in Lanc and Cumberland Cos, those might be better bets. .... Have you checked the Chester Co Federal census of 1790.?.(as one child was born not long after this, it's somewhere to consider) ..the Chester census is online and the URLs for that census are located on the Chester County site mentioned in your Welcome Email, under census ( you did get your Welcome Email, didn't you? I sent it to you personally, as we're undergoing some technical changes at rootsweb and the software has to be reprogrammed.....however, as you never let me know it arrived, I have no way of knowing if you received it or not....if not, let me know and I'll resend...it has a lot of helpful info). I can tell you that no one named Philip Carle/Carrel, any spelling, is mentioned in any area wills...including, Bucks, Berks, Phil, Lanc, Chester, Del and Cumberland Cos....up to around 1840......nor is the name mentioned in THE HISTORY OF CHESTER COUNTY PA, by Futhey and Cope.... The 1765 Chester Archives list a Josh Carle who owned 150 acres in Pikeland twp...nothing listed under other spellings. I looked athe name up on the CD of emigrants to PA and found them aboard the ship Patience...however, the names were spelled John Caspar Carrel 18 yoa and Jacob Carrel, 40 yoa....ditto spelling on the Oath of Allegiance and the listing in the book Pennsylvania German Pioneers Vol I. Sandra -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006