Cope certainly DOES mention Gravenor,.....page 82 of the book he wrote.... DESCENDENTS OF JOEL BAILY, published in 1912. I posted what he said, in total, in the last posting. Sandra " Cope does not mention Gravener" -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/451 - Release Date: 9/19/2006