In researching for my NICHOLSON ancestors, I found information on the "George & Anne" and the "John of Dublin," both ships headed for Philadelphia, PA from Ireland 20 May 1729 under Captain Rymer. The "George & Anne" was under the sponsor of Charles CLYNTON/CLINTON. These were Presbyterians (Scotch-Irish) and not Irish Quakers. They were not indentured servants; but appear to be families of some standing. The story of the George & Anne is a sad one and worth reading. The ship's captain evidently delayed the voyage in order to starve the passengers to death so he could gain control of their assets. Here are some links for those who wish to read them. Evidently, Charles CLYNTON/CLINTON kept a journal of the voyage. The "John of Dublin" landed in Philadelphia, while the "George and Ann" got off course and landed later in New York. There is quite a bit of information on the MC DOWELL family, some of whom lived in Chester County. Although I have found references to some of the passengers (Francis NICHOLSON and family); I have not been able to find a complete ship's passenger listing for everyone onboard. I have found nothing on the "John of Dublin," except for a mention of it as a sister ship which left at the same time and did make it to Philadelphia, PA in 1729. It also came from Ireland. Here's an excerpt from Charles CLYNTON/CLINTON's journal. His descendent went on to become Vice President of the United States. I did find a reference to a Francis NICHOLSON and family. Francis died en route. I also found this reference which gives other passengers names. Mr. Clinton's journal lists those who died. William CRAIGE, born April 29, 1694 in East Kilbride, Lanarksire, Scotland 12; died February 1761 in Orange County, NC (Hawfield Cemetery)13. He married 259. Margaret LOGAN 1729 in On board ship "George & Ann"13. (Note: The Clinton man died in Orange County, NY; so the NC may be in error.) Journal of 1729 Voyage to America - Clinton Company The voyage, on the George & Ann, left on May 9th 1729 and "discovered land of the Continent of America ye 4th day of October 1729." A total of 139 days form embarktation to the landing at Cape Cod, durning which time 96 deaths occured on board the ship.The original destination of the Clinton Company was to Pennsylvania, but from the terrible mortality on the vessel, and the shortness of provisions growing out of so long a voyage, the passengers were glad to see land at the first available place, which proved to be Cape Cod. Remaining there during the winter, were a number added to the list of dead,they came to New York, where, finding satisfactory terms, they purchased lands at Little Britain ( at that time it was Ulster Co NY, but after 1789 became Orange Co NY. Very near to the Hudson River) where they gave to the State, in themselves and in there descendants, some of the noblest men in its annals. Just a few quotes of the Journals. A journal of my Voyage and Travles from the County of Longford in the Kingdom of Ireland to Pennsylvania in America, Anno Dom. 1729. I took my journey from County of Longford on friday the 9th day of May: came to Dublin on the 12th ditto. Entered on shipboard call'd the Groege & Ann ye 18th. Sett sail the 20th....Came to anchor ar Glanrom on th 24th, where Matthew MC CLAUGHRY and his wife and two of his family went on shoar and quit their voyage. Set sail from Glanarom on ye 25th and came to anchor at Green Castle in the Lough of Foyle on ye 26th, were we stay'd to ye 29th.; then sett sail in company with John of Dublin, bound for New Castle in the same country....On the 30th at night a stron arose yt continued to ye first of JUne at eneninf which Lowered our Bowsprit with hazard to our Masts....On the 3rd ditto my daughter Catherine and son James fell sick of the measels... A strong gale of westerly wind continued to ye 10th ditto...James WILSON child died ye 5th....On the 8th child of James MC DOWEL's died and was thrown overboard...One of ye servt's on board beloning to Gerald CRUISE threw himself over deck and was drowned... On the 15th my daughter Mary fell sick of ye measels...A Return of the persons that died on board of ye George and Ann...On Tuesday ye 23d a child of John BROOKS died...My own daughter(Mary) on ye 2 of August at night....a girl of Robert FRAZER...a son of John MC DOWEL...a son of Robert Frazer...a child of James THOMPSON...Robert Frazer...John CROOK a salior...James Thompson's wife...Widow Frazer's daughter...another servant of Cruise's...my son James on ye 28th of August, 1729 at 7 in ye morning...Discovered land on ye Contient of America ye 4th day of October 1729. From History of Orange Co NY 1683-1881 by Ruttenger & Clark publ. 1881 Note: Charles Clinton was the father of Governor George Clinton (the 1st Gov of the State of NY under the constitution of 1777, and later held the office of Vice President of America. (Florence Fulton Wolfe) Here's more on the passengers who died: _http://www.from-ireland.net/history/preslong1729.htm_ (http://www.from-ireland.net/history/preslong1729.htm) Here's are more detailed stories about the voyage. _http://www.tracycrocker.com/p32.htm_ (http://www.tracycrocker.com/p32.htm) _http://www.oulton.com/cwa/newsships.nsf/45cc5cb7c20526ef85256529004f20f0/70c8 31592cc51b8685256b6600730c16!OpenDocument_ (http://www.oulton.com/cwa/newsships.nsf/45cc5cb7c20526ef85256529004f20f0/70c831592cc51b8685256b6600730c16!OpenDo cument) Most of the ships listed on Olive Tree are German Palatine. But, there's a link for anyone who wishes to look. _http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tousa_index.shtml_ (http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tousa_index.shtml) Here's the link for the MCDOWELL family and information on the voyage. _http://members.tripod.com/leomcdowell/id27.htm_ (http://members.tripod.com/leomcdowell/id27.htm) There were also MC CLAUGHERY's on board; but they went back to Ireland. _http://cp1237.com/mcclgen/timeline.htm_ (http://cp1237.com/mcclgen/timeline.htm) There is also a site which mentions the IRVINE or IRVIN family(Robert, Thomas, Alexander, George, William, Robert, James, and Samuel) along with some MC DOWELL's; but it states they landed in Philadelphia which the George and Anne did not. However, I have read that those passengers who disembarked in Cape Cod did come to Pennsylvania, many to Chester County. The "John of Dublin" did make it to Philadelphia, PA with it's load of passengers. I have never been able to find a passenger listing of either ship on Ancestry or anywhere online. Here's rootsweb's link with lots of information for various things, but including ships listings off Olive Tree: _http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/?o_xid=0030660188&o_lid=0030660188&o_xt=30 660188_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/?o_xid=0030660188&o_lid=0030660188&o_xt=30660188) Here's a rootsweb link with search capability by name, date, ship, port of origin, port of destination, etc.: _http://userdb.rootsweb.com/passenger/_ (http://userdb.rootsweb.com/passenger/) And, last, but not least, here are 2 more links of ships. One gives ships entering and leaving Philadelphia in 1729/1730 including some from Ireland. The other gives ships leaving Ireland and arriving in the Colonies between the dates of 1729 to 1749. I hope everyone has more luck than I did! If anyone has been successful in discovering a passenger listing of the "John of Dublin," I would appreciate getting the source. Thanks. Anne _http://www.immigrantships.net/newsarticles/captains1729.html_ (http://www.immigrantships.net/newsarticles/captains1729.html) _http://www.genealogybranches.com/irishpassengerlists/ships.html_ (http://www.genealogybranches.com/irishpassengerlists/ships.html) In a message dated 7/21/2006 10:34:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rdutton1@tampabay.rr.com writes: > Someone has suggest that perhaps many of the Irish came to the colonies as > Indentures from Ireland, and I honestly know nothing about this > possibility. (I'm speaking of the 1700s, and not the Potato famine > emigration.) While I've read and posted a ton of ships' passenger lists, > I can't honestly remember one that actually came FROM Ireland. The vast > majority, of folks from GB, originated from England. Even my own English > Quakers, who had fled England and persecution, to live in Ireland, came to > PA aboard a ship that sailed from Liverpool. > One of the ways folks made a 'deal' for their passage, was to sign up > with a ship's captain for free passage...and, upon arrival in the new > world, the were 'sold' to a local for a certain # of years, and the money > from the sale was paid to the captain who brought them over. So, it > would seem that, unless there were ships leaving from Ireland, the Irish > poor wouldn't have had an opportunity to get free passage, and they sure > wouldn't have been able to pay their own way to England to sign up for > indentures. > In looking for Irish ships/passengers, etc I was surfing the British > Bondage CD and was knocked over to discover that between 1614 and 1776, > there were over 45,000 documented names of British convicts sentenced to > transportation to the American Colonies....geez, that's a LOT of people > forcefully shipped to the New World! I looked through the convict ships > ports of embarkation, and only one, even of these ships, was in Ireland. > Apparently prisoners were convicted, sentenced, loaded onto ships in > Ireland and taken to England (English courts, ships and English captains), > before they departed for the new world...... > I'd be really interested in anything anyone knows on ships that were > actually Irish ships....and came to the New World.....a fascinating > subject. > > S.