Someone has suggest that perhaps many of the Irish came to the colonies as Indentures from Ireland, and I honestly know nothing about this possibility. (I'm speaking of the 1700s, and not the Potato famine emigration.) While I've read and posted a ton of ships' passenger lists, I can't honestly remember one that actually came FROM Ireland. The vast majority, of folks from GB, originated from England. Even my own English Quakers, who had fled England and persecution, to live in Ireland, came to PA aboard a ship that sailed from Liverpool. One of the ways folks made a 'deal' for their passage, was to sign up with a ship's captain for free passage...and, upon arrival in the new world, the were 'sold' to a local for a certain # of years, and the money from the sale was paid to the captain who brought them over. So, it would seem that, unless there were ships leaving from Ireland, the Irish poor wouldn't have had an opportunity to get free passage, and they sure wouldn't have been able to pay their own way to England to sign up for indentures. In looking for Irish ships/passengers, etc I was surfing the British Bondage CD and was knocked over to discover that between 1614 and 1776, there were over 45,000 documented names of British convicts sentenced to transportation to the American Colonies....geez, that's a LOT of people forcefully shipped to the New World! I looked through the convict ships ports of embarkation, and only one, even of these ships, was in Ireland. Apparently prisoners were convicted, sentenced, loaded onto ships in Ireland and taken to England (English courts, ships and English captains), before they departed for the new world...... I'd be really interested in anything anyone knows on ships that were actually Irish ships....and came to the New World.....a fascinating subject. S. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006

Hi -- My records indicate that there was one ship that Penn had came from Ireland , and my Ancestor VALENTINE HOLLINGSWORTH and his family were on i, and were from Ireland- maybe it was an English ship? Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Ferguson" <ferg@ntelos.net> To: <PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:34 PM Subject: Irish emigration > Someone has suggest that perhaps many of the Irish came to the colonies as > Indentures from Ireland, and I honestly know nothing about this > possibility. (I'm speaking of the 1700s, and not the Potato famine > emigration.) While I've read and posted a ton of ships' passenger lists, > I can't honestly remember one that actually came FROM Ireland. The vast > majority, of folks from GB, originated from England. Even my own English > Quakers, who had fled England and persecution, to live in Ireland, came to > PA aboard a ship that sailed from Liverpool. > One of the ways folks made a 'deal' for their passage, was to sign up > with a ship's captain for free passage...and, upon arrival in the new > world, the were 'sold' to a local for a certain # of years, and the money > from the sale was paid to the captain who brought them over. So, it > would seem that, unless there were ships leaving from Ireland, the Irish > poor wouldn't have had an opportunity to get free passage, and they sure > wouldn't have been able to pay their own way to England to sign up for > indentures. > In looking for Irish ships/passengers, etc I was surfing the British > Bondage CD and was knocked over to discover that between 1614 and 1776, > there were over 45,000 documented names of British convicts sentenced to > transportation to the American Colonies....geez, that's a LOT of people > forcefully shipped to the New World! I looked through the convict ships > ports of embarkation, and only one, even of these ships, was in Ireland. > Apparently prisoners were convicted, sentenced, loaded onto ships in > Ireland and taken to England (English courts, ships and English captains), > before they departed for the new world...... > I'd be really interested in anything anyone knows on ships that were > actually Irish ships....and came to the New World.....a fascinating > subject. > > S. > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006 > > ______________________________ >