Natalie Burrows: I know nothing about the geography of Wales, but my DATES could possibly fit, as well in the Welch Naming System. Do you know the father of your David ap Thomas??? My Richard ap Thomas is the son of: Thomas ap Evan Piers. (Welch way of designating a son; and it is my understanding that their is also a different, yet similiar term for a daughter naming system.). *************** Compare this to all of the material, that I mailed out today, 07/05/2006; but especially the last paragraph about "ap Thomas"name -- this from "History of Chester County, PA" (probably by Futhey & Cope), which I sent to you -- was sent to me by a distant cousin, who also descended from Hannah THOMAS md as 2nd wife, James Joseph MENDENHALL of East Caln, Chester Co., PA>North Carolina>Wrightsborough, GA.) I have also sent some information from a book about Jamestown, NC, which was named for my 5G-Gradnfather James Mendenhall --"The HOWELLS and IDDINGS are related to Mendenhalls. Jonathan Howell married Elizcabeth Thomas, sister of Hannah Ap Thomas, who married James Mendenhall. Howell's daughter Alice married Joseph Iddings, and their son Mark built his house in 1826...........") ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Thomas ap Evan Piers This material (below) that is in my chart was sent to me by a living THOMAS descendent, who resided in Virginia, probably about 1999 +/- as I started genealogy in May 1998. Up until December 2004, when computer crashed with a virus, I had this website: "BLUE HOLE" (Coal Mines in Wales.). The geneaology was a part of the early website, as I recall. See BELOW: ^^^^^^^ Descendants of Thomas ap Evan Piers Generation No. 1 1. THOMAS AP EVAN1 PIERS was born in Whitford Garne, Flint, Wales. Child of THOMAS AP EVAN PIERS is: 2. i. RICHARD AP2 THOMAS, b. Whitford Garne, Flint, Wales; d. 1684, Whitford, Chester County, PA. Generation No. 2 2. RICHARD AP2 THOMAS (THOMAS AP EVAN1 PIERS) was born in Whitford Garne, Flint, Wales, and died 1684 in Whitford, Chester County, PA. Children of RICHARD AP THOMAS are: 3. i. RICHARD23 THOMAS, b. 1672; d. 1744, Whiteland Twp, Chester PA. ii. MARY THOMAS1, b. Wales. More About MARY THOMAS: Inheritance: if she comes to this country (America) and demands it. Generation No. 3 3. RICHARD23 THOMAS (RICHARD AP2, THOMAS AP EVAN1 PIERS) was born 1672, and died 1744 in Whiteland Twp, Chester PA. He married GRACE ATHERTON January 15, 1712/13 in Whiteland Twp, Chester PA, daughter of HENRY ATHERTON and JANNET THELWELL. She was born in Lancashire County, England, and died in Whiteland Twp, Chester PA. Children of RICHARD2 THOMAS and GRACE ATHERTON are: i. ELIZABETH4 THOMAS. 4. ii. RICHARD3 THOMAS, b. February 22, 1712/13, Whiteland Twp, Chester PA; d. September 22, 1754, Whiteland Twp, Chester PA. 5. iii. HANNAH THOMAS, b. November 14, 1716; d. 1792, Guilford County, NC. iv. MARY THOMAS, b. March 14, 1718/19; m. JOHN HARRISON, September 14, 1745, Uwchlan, Chester Co. PA. v. GRACE THOMAS, b. April 09, 1722. Generation No. 4 4. RICHARD34 THOMAS (RICHARD23, RICHARD AP2, THOMAS AP EVAN1 PIERS) was born February 22, 1712/13 in Whiteland Twp, Chester PA, and died September 22, 1754 in Whiteland Twp, Chester PA. He married PHEBE ASHBRIDGE February 10, 1738/39 in Goshen, ChesterCo., PA, daughter of GEORGE ASHBRIDGE. Children of RICHARD3 THOMAS and PHEBE ASHBRIDGE are: i. HANNAH5 THOMAS, m. WILLIAM TRIMBLE, September 15, 1757, Uwchlan, Chester County, PA. ii. LYDIA THOMAS, b. December 04, 1740. iii. GRACE THOMAS, b. November 03, 1742. iv. RICHARD4 THOMAS, b. October 30, 1744; m. THOMAZINE DOWNING; b. August 25, 1754; d. May 04, 1817, Uwchlan, PA. v. GEORGE1 THOMAS, b. December 21, 1746; d. August 07, 1793; m. SARAH ROBERTS. 5. HANNAH4 THOMAS (RICHARD23, RICHARD AP2, THOMAS AP EVAN1 PIERS) was born November 14, 1716, and died 1792 in Guilford County, NC. She married JAMES MENDENHALL 1743 in Goshen, Chester PA. He was born 1718 in Chester, PA. Children of HANNAH THOMAS and JAMES MENDENHALL are: i. RICHARD5 MENDENHALL. ii. GRACE MENDENHALL. iii. ELIJAH MENDENHALL. iv. GEORGE MENDENHALL. v. MARMADUKE MENDENHALL. vi. HANNAH MENDENHALL. Endnotes 1. In Richard Thomas II WILL, 1773/74, Chester Co., PA. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is enough new material!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Richard Thomas, the father, left wife and daughter, Mary, behind in WALES! Mary Thomas later came to America, and husband name was Llywelyn Parry! (LISTERS: Remember, a month or two ago, we were discussing the LLYWELYN Family of PA? Are they related!) As I recall, Eleanor Helper had a Morris Llywelyn of theWelsch Tract.) Violet Moore Guy <guyj@starpower.net> 07/06/2006 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Natalie Burrows" <ndburrows@verizon.net> To: "Violet Guy" <guyj@starpower.net> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [PaOldC] David ap Thomas, died 1718 in Philadelphia County > Do you know the dates for this family? My best guess is that the David ap > Thomas family came from North Wales (Merionethshire) around 1700 or even > earlier. Does this mesh in any way with your family? > Natalie > ndburrows@verizon.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Violet Guy" <guyj@starpower.net> > To: "Natalie Burrows" <ndburrows@verizon.net> > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 5:34 PM > Subject: Re: [PaOldC] David ap Thomas, died 1718 in Philadelphia County > > > >I descend from a Richard ap Thomas, who left a wife & daughter behind in > > Wales. This Richard ap Thomas came with his son, Richard, Jr on the > > Morning > > Star; and Richard Thomas, Jr became a medical doctor and married Grace > > Atherton.. The had a large family, including Hannah Thomas, who married > > James J. Mendenhall, as 2nd wife and family migrated to North Carolina and > > ssome then to Wrightsborough, GA, where James died and was burried. > > Hannah > > returned to Guilford County, NC. James J. & Hannah (Thomas) Mendenhall are > > my 5G-Grandparents. > > > > At one time, I had a Website, "Blue Hole", for evidently this Thomas > > family > > was from the coal region of Wales. > > > > Violet Moore Guy > > 07/04/2006. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Natalie Burrows" <ndburrows@verizon.net> > > To: <PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 11:19 AM > > Subject: [PaOldC] David ap Thomas, died 1718 in Philadelphia County > > > > > >> Does anyone have information about the ancestry of David ap Thomas whose > > will appears below? Could he be connected to the John ap Thomas who died > > in > > London before he could come to PA (circa 1682)? His wife and children did > > come to the new colony, however. > >> > >> David (ap) Thomas, Philadelphia County, yeoman; wife Mary; children > > Thomas, Richard David, Samson David, John David, Catherine, Anne (Evans), > > Gwen and Mary. Will signed June 29, 1717, proved Aughust 6, 1718. > >> > >> Could there be a connection to the Hugh John Thomas listed in the Merion > > Meeting Minutes in 1686? > >> > >> Thanks for any help! > >> Best wishes for a Happy Fourth of July, > >> Natalie > >> ndburrows@verizon.net > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== PA-OLD-CHESTER Mailing List ==== > >> Unsubscribing.... To leave PA-old-chester-l, send mail to > >> PA-old-chester-l-request@rootsweb.com > >> with the single word unsubscribe in the message or subject slot. > >> > >> NO VIRUS WARNINGS - if you are concerned contact me PERSONALLY > > ferg@ntelos.net > >> > >> If you have ANY problems, do not send them to the list > >> contact me personally....list manager ferg@ntelos.net > >> > >> ============================== > >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >> > > > > > >