Valentine's name appears on no list, but Henry, his son, crossed the Atlantic on the Lion of Liverpool, arriving 14 8thm 1683. My Newlins were on this ship, but, as it's name says, it originated in Liverpool, one of the great English ports of it's day. There is speculation on the Ship Valentine came on, but no documentation (this is from THE WELCOME CLAIMANTS, PROVED, DISPROVED AND DOUBTFUL.) Some say that he arrived 'a few months after Wm Penn's arrival".....one says he sailed from "Belfast for the Delaware River" It is generally believed, though, that he came aboard the Antelope and arrived 10th 10th mo 1682 with at least one other passenger from Ireland....Ann Milcom of Armagh, Ireland, widow. "My records indicate that there was one ship that Penn had came from Ireland , and my Ancestor VALENTINE HOLLINGSWORTH and his family were on it, and were from Ireland- maybe it was an English ship? " -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/394 - Release Date: 7/20/2006

oops....I misspoke. My Newlins came aboard the Levee of Liverpool, rather than the Lion of Liverpool.... The Levee (Liver) of Liverpool July 1683, James Kilner, master, Thomas Brinket Philip England George Green Edward Jones Nicholas Newlin and sons John and Nathaniel ...wife Mary (Supposedly Nicholas was quite a foxhunter in Ireland, and brought with him some/a horse/horses and his pack of foxhounds....wish I could remember where I found that. It does present a somewhat different picture of emigration....no hard tack and water for THIS fella...) The Lyon of Liverpool 8th month, 14, 1683, John Crumpton, master Benjamin Acton Lemuel Bradshaw Alice Cales Benjamin Clift Margaret Colvert (Calvert) William Conduit Richard Curtis Edmund Doyle Joseph and Elizabeth Fisher and children: Martha, Mary and Moses Henry Furnace Joseph Furnace Rachel Furnace Rowland Hambridge Henry Hollingsworth Elizabeth Johnson Robert Kilcarth Edward Lancaster Robert Lloyd Peter Long William Long Phillip Packer John Reeves William Robertson Robert Selford Thomas Tearewood Mary Toole -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/394 - Release Date: 7/20/2006

Thank you Sandra - There sure are many interpretations of opinions and the lack of concrete recorded proof just adds to the mystery, doesn't it ? Something that happened over 300 years ago is always fair game for speculation and I love it.. such as " did he, or didn't he "..... anyway, I copy-off and save all of it and have come to the conclusion I shall never know ' for sure '.... thanks for the input and the information, you are a wonderful source of data and I am most appreciative ...... Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Ferguson" <ferg@ntelos.net> To: "Dutton Family" <rdutton1@tampabay.rr.com>; <PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 7:26 PM Subject: Vallentine Hollingsworth and son Henry > Valentine's name appears on no list, but Henry, his son, crossed the > Atlantic on the Lion of Liverpool, arriving 14 8thm 1683. My Newlins > were on this ship, but, as it's name says, it originated in Liverpool, one > of the great English ports of it's day. > There is speculation on the Ship Valentine came on, but no > documentation (this is from THE WELCOME CLAIMANTS, PROVED, DISPROVED AND > DOUBTFUL.) Some say that he arrived 'a few months after Wm Penn's > arrival".....one says he sailed from "Belfast for the Delaware River" It > is generally believed, though, that he came aboard the Antelope and > arrived 10th 10th mo 1682 with at least one other passenger from > Ireland....Ann Milcom of Armagh, Ireland, widow. > > > "My records indicate that there was one ship that Penn had came from > Ireland , and my Ancestor VALENTINE HOLLINGSWORTH and his family were on > it, > and were from Ireland- maybe it was an English ship? " > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/394 - Release Date: 7/20/2006