Here is another ship list source (Sandy didn't see it on the Chester site) http://english-america.com/index.html#top It is a work in progress and you can only search by ship name but if you are getting really desparate it might be another source. And another reason you may not find your ancestor even if you know the ship and have a list (I wrote this some years ago before I had learned the value of references!) It was not until about 1750 that there was a law to prevent the close packing of passengers and that law only specified that each passenger over the age of 14 be given a space six feet by eighteen inches and that each child under 14 be given half a space (imagine how closely they packed passengers before that date!) I also read at that time that the ships leaving English ports with their allotted number of passengers based on space would then tack into ports around England, Scotland, and Ireland picking up additional passengers that would not then show on the ship's manifest. In addition to the above the ship's were not interested in cargo such as family possessions unless astronomical fees were paid so families might try to cram their possessions into their space allotment as well. Nadine Holder