I was really interested less in the ships' appearances than in identifying the ship my ancesotor. Morris Llewelyn (sic!), came over on.  Family tradition has it that he and his wife came from a Welsh town, Castle Bith (no castle) to William Penn's Welsh tract in 1682 a few months before Penn himself did, I think on the Welcome.  The Welcome Society lists folks who came in the early days on various ships to Penn's nobe experiment, Pennsylvania, sort of like the Mayflower Society.  Noone that I know of has establshed Morris's voyage or on what ship, yet he was here and an original deed to his property is part of Haverford Library's Quaker Collection.  He was not a Swede (earliest settlers) nor was he a Native American.  He must have gotten there somehow.  I understand many ships did not register all their passengers as many of the ship's captains had n interest, and other lists were lost by fire or other reason.   I have transmitted the above facts to this and other genealogy listservs before, although perhaos in less detail. cheers, Eleanor ________________________________ From: Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> To: Eleanor W. Helper <eleanorhelper@yahoo.com> Cc: "pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com" <pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Ships of the 1700s Google Mayflower pictures <G> it was a very typical vessel of it's day. You might also try Winthrop Fleet These are supposed to be Mayflower pictures https://www.google.com/search?q=mayflower+pictures&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=WTU&tbo=u&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=75QBUeG8D5GB0AH5poHgBg&ved=0CDEQsAQ&biw=1708&bih=798 On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Eleanor W. Helper <eleanorhelper@yahoo.com> wrote: > Are there similar lists for the 1600s and also for the 1800s?  I tried Wikipedia but was unable to find anything.  But maybe I did not use the correct key words (!) > > Eleanor > > > ________________________________ >  From: Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> > To: pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:04 PM > Subject: [PaOldC] Ships of the 1700s > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:1700s_ships > > Sent from Sandra's iPad > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (unknown to me) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes.     (Dag Hammarskjold)

Morris is not in the passengers if the Welcome, in earlyQuaker passengers in Phil. The earliest I find him is in early court records when he bought a woman servant, and as a taxpayer in Haverford the same year. He could have come in to NJ ..... Have you checked there , or all the pista I've placed on the Chester Co rootsweb site? V. Sandra Sent from Sandra's iPod ???? On Jan 24, 2013, at 3:22 PM, "Eleanor W. Helper" <eleanorhelper@yahoo.com> wrote: > I was really interested less in the ships' appearances than in identifying the ship my ancesotor. Morris Llewelyn (sic!), came over on. Family tradition has it that he and his wife came from a Welsh town, Castle Bith (no castle) to William Penn's Welsh tract in 1682 a few months before Penn himself did, I think on the Welcome. The Welcome Society lists folks who came in the early days on various ships to Penn's nobe experiment, Pennsylvania, sort of like the Mayflower Society. Noone that I know of has establshed Morris's voyage or on what ship, yet he was here and an original deed to his property is part of Haverford Library's Quaker Collection. He was not a Swede (earliest settlers) nor was he a Native American. He must have gotten there somehow. I understand many ships did not register all their passengers as many of the ship's captains had n interest, and other lists were lost by fire or other reason. > > I have transmitted the above facts to this and other genealogy listservs before, although perhaos in less detail. > > cheers, Eleanor > > ________________________________ > From: Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> > To: Eleanor W. Helper <eleanorhelper@yahoo.com> > Cc: "pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com" <pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 3:09 PM > Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Ships of the 1700s > > Google Mayflower pictures <G> it was a very typical vessel of it's > day. You might also try Winthrop Fleet > These are supposed to be Mayflower pictures > > https://www.google.com/search?q=mayflower+pictures&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=WTU&tbo=u&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=75QBUeG8D5GB0AH5poHgBg&ved=0CDEQsAQ&biw=1708&bih=798 > > > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Eleanor W. Helper > <eleanorhelper@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Are there similar lists for the 1600s and also for the 1800s? I tried Wikipedia but was unable to find anything. But maybe I did not use the correct key words (!) >> >> Eleanor >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> >> To: pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:04 PM >> Subject: [PaOldC] Ships of the 1700s >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:1700s_ships >> >> Sent from Sandra's iPad >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Eliz > Not Today and Not without a Fight > (unknown to me) > > For all that has been, thanks. > For all that will be, yes. > (Dag Hammarskjold) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Somewhere I read that he came on the Lion or Lyon but I think that was speculation.  I will check NJ.  yes I think I checked all your Chester County & found tax records for some Llewelyns, including his desendants.  His son also was Morris and owned land nearby, so that is confusing.  The homes both men built still exist on Philadelphia's "Main Line" where many towns have Welsh names  I don't recall reading about buying a woman servant.  Many early Quakers did not  oppose slaves but gradually more and more did.   pista? ________________________________ From: Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> To: Eleanor W. Helper <eleanorhelper@yahoo.com>; PaOldCh <pa-old-chester-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Ships of the 1700s Morris is not in the passengers if the Welcome, in earlyQuaker passengers in Phil.  The earliest I find him is in early court records when he bought a woman servant, and as a taxpayer in Haverford the same year.     He could have come in to NJ ..... Have you checked there , or all the pista I've placed on the Chester Co rootsweb site?             V.                  Sandra Sent from Sandra's iPod ???? On Jan 24, 2013, at 3:22 PM, "Eleanor W. Helper" <eleanorhelper@yahoo.com> wrote: > I was really interested less in the ships' appearances than in identifying the ship my ancesotor. Morris Llewelyn (sic!), came over on.  Family tradition has it that he and his wife came from a Welsh town, Castle Bith (no castle) to William Penn's Welsh tract in 1682 a few months before Penn himself did, I think on the Welcome.  The Welcome Society lists folks who came in the early days on various ships to Penn's nobe experiment, Pennsylvania, sort of like the Mayflower Society.  Noone that I know of has establshed Morris's voyage or on what ship, yet he was here and an original deed to his property is part of Haverford Library's Quaker Collection.  He was not a Swede (earliest settlers) nor was he a Native American.  He must have gotten there somehow.  I understand many ships did not register all their passengers as many of the ship's captains had n interest, and other lists were lost by fire or other reason. >  > I have transmitted the above facts to this and other genealogy listservs before, although perhaos in less detail. > > cheers, Eleanor > > ________________________________ > From: Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> > To: Eleanor W. Helper <eleanorhelper@yahoo.com> > Cc: "pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com" <pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 3:09 PM > Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Ships of the 1700s > > Google Mayflower pictures <G> it was a very typical vessel of it's > day. You might also try Winthrop Fleet > These are supposed to be Mayflower pictures > > https://www.google.com/search?q=mayflower+pictures&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=WTU&tbo=u&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=75QBUeG8D5GB0AH5poHgBg&ved=0CDEQsAQ&biw=1708&bih=798 > > > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Eleanor W. Helper > <eleanorhelper@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Are there similar lists for the 1600s and also for the 1800s?  I tried Wikipedia but was unable to find anything.  But maybe I did not use the correct key words (!) >> >> Eleanor >> >> >> ________________________________ >>  From: Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> >> To: pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:04 PM >> Subject: [PaOldC] Ships of the 1700s >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:1700s_ships >> >> Sent from Sandra's iPad >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Eliz > Not Today and Not without a Fight > (unknown to me) > > For all that has been, thanks. > For all that will be, yes. >    (Dag Hammarskjold) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Did you check all the PASSENGER LISTS I put on the Chester Co site.......The Lyon left Liverpool in may of 1682 and landed in Aug of the same year. Please check the site, under the Quaker heading. I think the Lyon may be there. As far as the entry in the court record goes, the woman was an indentured servant/slave. Unfortunately her name was omitted . S. > >> > >