None of these folk were ever PA residents, but here's how it went for my grandmother's ancestral Wiseman family name. There origin was in the Reform Presbyterian community in rural County Antrim in North Ireland, and the first of them arrived in the US in 1836, in the person of one Archibald Wiseman.   Archie Wiseman married Susan Clyde in Newburgh, NY. Their first-born daughter (who died young) was Margaret Dunlap Wiseman, named after Archie's mother (back in Ireland) before her marriage.. Their first-born son was David Clyde Wiseman (who also died young), named after Susan's father (who did live part of his later life in Newburgh). They later had another son with the same name who grew to adulthood, married and had children. Their youngest son was also named Archibald Wiseman.  Another son who survived to adulthood was Samuel Dunlap Wiseman, named after Archie's mother's father. There was also a daughter named Elizabeth Ann Wiseman, my paternal great-grandmother, but I'm not sure who it was, if anyone, that she was named after. After Elizabeth married the Scots-born John McNeal in 1863, they proceeded to have five children: My grandmother, Margaret Dunlsp McNeal: My elder great aunt, Susan Clyde McNeal: My elder great uncle, Archibald McNeal My younger great uncle, Joseph Wilson McNeal, named after his mother's father (from back in Scotland). This Wilson line had no connection to my own Wilson surname. My younger great aunt, Elizabeth McNeal who died as an infant, and who was named after her mother who had died giving birth to her. Interestingly enough, although my great grandmother had four out of five children who grew up to be married, only my grandmother had a child, my father (for whom I am named). In the early days of the searches for my ancestrral family, the discovery of this naming pattern was most useful to me. Bob Wilson Jr.            --- On Tue, 4/7/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: PA-OLD-CHESTER Digest, Vol 4, Issue 90 To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 3:01 AM Today's Topics:    1. Re:  German naming patterns [was: naming order] (Sandra Ferguson)    2.  "what's in a name?" (Sandra Ferguson)    3. Re:  German naming patterns [was: naming order] (Dave Lambert)    4. Re:  "what's in a name?" (Ginni Morgan)    5. Re:  naming order ([email protected]) To contact the PA-OLD-CHESTER list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the PA-OLD-CHESTER mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text.