I did miss where that child was born. At least we know they were there. I actually have considerable detail on that castle. It was an honest to God castle. Had been confiscated from an Irish aristocrat, and given to a Cromwellian soldier, who sold it to John Clibborn at some bargain basement price. Family lived in it for several generations. Eventually they constructed a more seemly house next to it. The Clibborns were actually one of the two truly powerful families in Moate. They did become Quaker, in the 1680's, and founded a Quaker community, which leant an orderly appearance to the town of Moate. According to the web site where I read it. A Lowe collateral line lived in a castle, too. But it was the Lowes who were given land from Irish lords who were more powerful but did not have castles, that you had to watch out for. ;) The Lowe's had fought under Cromwell. Atleast one of them was Anabaptist. They came from Bewdley, Worcestershire, home of the foundation of English anabaptism. After 1700 Catholic clergy used to hide and conduct services at ancient sacred sites and ruined abbeys, in the woods south of Moate, on the land of William Low, the anabaptist. He and his kin would lurk in the woods and kill or arrest them. They were very notorious. God struck one of them blind, he struck another dead, several went mad, and one died less humanly. Now, they lived in a big ol manor house. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Ferguson" <[email protected]> To: "PaOldChester" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [PaOldC] John Miller > As I indicated last posting, John and Ann Miller's first child was born > at Moate, in 1659, but no indication that it was in a castle. That sort > of > thing is so often 'added' by researchers of the 1940s, for example. This > was a time of 'embellishment' to say the least! It would nice to know > where > all our ancestors lived while in Europe, but we generally don't ever find > out. I remember being thrilled when I discovered that the home of our > original Pugh emigrant, was then a B&B...I longed to visit...but, last > time > I looked it was again a private home....RATS! > > S. > > > > ........................" but I'm curious to know if he was living in > southern County Westmeath/ northern Kings County at the time. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Cromwellian aspects of Irish history were turbulent, to say the least, but sure interesting. After the Roundheads took power in England, Cromwell brought thousands of his troops to 'put down' the growing dissatisfaction of the Irish Catholics, concerning their treatment. He killed a good many, and then moved thousands more from Munster and Leinster and gave the land to his soldiers....this was called the Cromwell Settlement, if memory serves. This took care of his biggest problem which was how to pay off the soldiers for their service, but also allowed him to make life even more difficult for the Catholic population, who were then no longer allowed to own more than 1/2 acre.. Interestingly, the land they were given was not allowed to be closer than 1 mile from the coast. When Charles came into power, things were somewhat better for the Catholics, but he didn't do anything about the land confiscations under Cromwell! A tough time to be a Catholic, in Ireland! This all took place late in the 1650s, about 20 years before the Clibborns apparently became Quakers. S. " I actually have considerable detail on that castle. It was an honest to God castle. Had been confiscated from an Irish aristocrat, and given to a Cromwellian soldier, who sold it to John Clibborn at some bargain basement price. Family lived in it for several generations. Eventually they constructed a more seemly house next to it. The Clibborns were actually one of the two truly powerful families in Moate. They did become Quaker, in the 1680's, and founded a Quaker community, which leant an orderly appearance to the town of Moate. According to the web site where I read " it.