James Miller, wife May (received 4 m, 4. 1709), and children from Grange near Charlemont, in 1709. ( This is in the Kennett MM records.) Early Quaker emigrants were first members of the Kennett meeting, before being allowed to hold their own meetings around 1712. Thus, early New Garden folks would be found in Kennett meeting records before this date. I don't know if the Grange records are extant, but that would be where to look for the Millers, before emigrating to PA. If anyone knows, or finds out anything of these records, please let us know. The info is also found in the book POTTS, OUR FAMILY ANCESTORS.... there appears to be more on the John and Mary Miller family in this book, so it might be worthwhile for anyone interested in the family to see if they could ran it down. It was printed in 1895, at Canonsburg, Pa, and written by Thomas Maxwell Potts. S. I also found the following, in IMMIGRATION OF THE IRISH QUAKERS, which is really confusing; "His sister Rachel Fred [speaking of Benjamin Fred], married 4 mo 20, 1721, James Miller, son of Gayen, of Kennett, and after his death married James Miller, son of James and Catharine".....geez...Rachel Fred married TWO (2) James Millers? She sure wouldn't have had to change the monograms on her towels, or stationary....lol.

Good Morning all....A few reminisinces from our family tree. I am Mercy Essig Ramsey, Granddaughter of Charles Francis Huston Miller who was born in Chester Co. PA. CFHM was a direct descendant of Gayen Miller of New Garden Twp, Chester Co, PA. Our "Millers" are presumed to have descended from the "Hermit of Warwick". The hermit was husband to the Earl of Warwick's daughter. As said earl had no living sons he willed that his son-in-law, Guy inherit the title. Guy wearied of castle life and left preferring to reside in an abandoned mill adjacent to the river. It's said that subsequent generations of "Millers" always named a son "Gayen or Warwick" in tribute to their famous ancestor. When Guy left the Warwick Castle to live in a mill, he became locally as "The Miller". I do NOT know when the family became officially Miller or emigrated, as Quakers, to Ireland. More about our line of Millers....... Back during the reign of Edward III, he and a mistress "Anne" were parents to an early forefather. Don't know if the name "Miller" ever entered into said liaison. Mother, Adair Miller Essig Curtiss, and I hope this clears up a few nuances. Mercy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Ferguson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 6:27 AM Subject: [PaOldC] John and Mary Miller > James Miller, wife May (received 4 m, 4. 1709), and children from Grange > near Charlemont, in 1709. ( This is in the Kennett MM records.) Early > Quaker emigrants were first members of the Kennett meeting, before being > allowed to hold their own meetings around 1712. Thus, early New Garden > folks would be found in Kennett meeting records before this date. I don't > know if the Grange records are extant, but that would be where to look for > the Millers, before emigrating to PA. If anyone knows, or finds out > anything of these records, please let us know. > The info is also found in the book POTTS, OUR FAMILY ANCESTORS.... there > appears to be more on the John and Mary Miller family in this book, so it > might be worthwhile for anyone interested in the family to see if they > could > ran it down. It was printed in 1895, at Canonsburg, Pa, and written by > Thomas Maxwell Potts. > > S. > > > I also found the following, in IMMIGRATION OF THE IRISH QUAKERS, which is > really confusing; > "His sister Rachel Fred [speaking of Benjamin Fred], married 4 mo 20, > 1721, > James Miller, son of Gayen, of Kennett, and after his death married James > Miller, son of James and Catharine".....geez...Rachel Fred married TWO (2) > James Millers? She sure wouldn't have had to change the monograms on her > towels, or stationary....lol. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I love the way teh Irish give directions. "Grange near Charlemont". Place names aren't given like they have meaning. My three times great grandfather was only a little less vague - stuff like "Tyrellis Pass" somewhere in Leinster. Grange MM County Tyrone, (Northern) Ireland, near the village of Charlemont. Grange is located in the civil parish of Clonfeacle, county Tyrone. It is also known as Grange near Charlemont and Upper Grange. Charlemont is across the border in county Armagh, civil parish of Loughgall. The Grange Monthly meeting had extensive membership residing in county Armagh. For photos, history and more on Grange MM, see: "An Historical Sketch of Grange Meeting" http://www.bob-sinton.com/grange/cover.php Boy, that's at the far end of Ireland! I wonder what brought John Miller to a rural place near Dublin? Unfortunately most Quaker records are bare bones. It's rare for a family to write an entire story nito the records the way one of the Thompson brothers did when he got to West New Jersey. One thing about the author of Irish Quaker Immigrants to Pennsylvania; he was thorough, and if the records were there, he told us what they said. Since he says little about the Clibborns' origins, I imagine he was just passing on a report for what it was worth. I think he pretty much outright says that the Millers were roving animals who are hard to trace. He gives records when he has them. Atleast two of the three emigrant Miller's have been proven by Y DNA to have been related. The Clibborn's and the Clibborn's of Yorkshire have been proven by Y DNA to have not been related, strenghthening the case for thinking they came from Durham. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Ferguson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:27 AM Subject: [PaOldC] John and Mary Miller > James Miller, wife May (received 4 m, 4. 1709), and children from Grange > near Charlemont, in 1709. ( This is in the Kennett MM records.) Early > Quaker emigrants were first members of the Kennett meeting, before being > allowed to hold their own meetings around 1712. Thus, early New Garden > folks would be found in Kennett meeting records before this date. I don't > know if the Grange records are extant, but that would be where to look for > the Millers, before emigrating to PA. If anyone knows, or finds out > anything of these records, please let us know. > The info is also found in the book POTTS, OUR FAMILY ANCESTORS.... there > appears to be more on the John and Mary Miller family in this book, so it > might be worthwhile for anyone interested in the family to see if they > could > ran it down. It was printed in 1895, at Canonsburg, Pa, and written by > Thomas Maxwell Potts. > > S. > > > I also found the following, in IMMIGRATION OF THE IRISH QUAKERS, which is > really confusing; > "His sister Rachel Fred [speaking of Benjamin Fred], married 4 mo 20, > 1721, > James Miller, son of Gayen, of Kennett, and after his death married James > Miller, son of James and Catharine".....geez...Rachel Fred married TWO (2) > James Millers? She sure wouldn't have had to change the monograms on her > towels, or stationary....lol. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message