Velma Gap is a small community of about 1600 people located in Salisbury twp., Lancaster County, PA. W. Penn owned about 200 acres there at one time. Gap is on U.S. route 30, ( The Lincoln Highway). In PA. It runs from Philadelphia thru Lancaster and was an early migration route for those heading west from Phila/Germantown. "Gap" is named after the gap in the Appalachian Mountains. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:05:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [PaOldC] PA-OLD-CHESTER Digest, Vol 4, Issue 217 Hi Ginny, WOW! Thanks for your excellent answer to my questions. I am printing it out and will carry it with me when I do research on these families. Your answers certainly did clear up a lot of my confusion about the counties and townships. I have seen the maps on line that have additions of counties but there really is not a point of reference. You gave me those points. For example the Slaymakers are from Lancaster County. The London Lands would be in that county, The problem here would be that Mathias Slaymaker came to the colonies about 1710. You said that Lancaster Co. was formed in1729. That would mean that he was originally from Chester Co. since the land purchase dates back to about 1710. I now see why I am so confused- just uneducated not completely stupid. I do know that the Slaymakers were from the area called The Gap. Would that originally have been part of Chester Co? I know that I read somewhere that the London Lands were Penn Lands. They were not adminitered by Penn, however. That was done by some agents.I guess that they were rich people from England. I have run into the county changes. This is particualy true in VA. I have not done much research there yet but have been warned about the Co changes. For example, one family did not move but were in both Scott and Lee Counties VA because of a new county formation. You are certainly right about major migration trails also. I have one family that was all over the place in NC, VA, and Tenn. It seems that today there is a highway that goes thru all the places where they were. I have not done the research on them and thus have not figured it out yet. You are certainly right. I need to Goggle everything before I ask a question. One has to have a point of reference before it makesw sense, however. One family that I did research on had a piano manufacturing business. These were just plain pianos- not mechanical or player pianos. Who would have known that a lot of the information whould be found in the archives of an Arcade Museum unless someone hadn't pointed me there. They had Music Trade Journals in their museum. I am very confused because I know very little about PA. I drove thru there once when I was college age many many years ago. I note that you are from Sacramento. So am I. You certainly have a handle on the PA information so I guess that there is hope for me. I am just beginning there. This genealogy is certainly a more interesting way to learn history than a history book but I guess that we have to read them also. I find John Jakes books very interesting. Even tho the family is fiction, he has done a lot of research on the history and ties it together very well. Even when I get a better understanding of these families I am going to have to get proofs of the information. Do you have any idea of the best way to get proofs? I doubt that I would be able to get back there where they have archives. Are there things on line for this early time period? I do have some on the Penn Lands from the library edition of Ancestry. Are there any eveand don books that I should order? I thank you so much for all of your help in pointing me in the right direction. I thank you for taking your valuable time to help me. Velma [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:01 am Subject: PA-OLD-CHESTER Digest, Vol 4, Issue 217 Today's Topics: 1. Re: TAYLORS - answers to genealogy research questions (Ginni Morgan) Attached Message From: Ginni Morgan To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PaOldC] TAYLORS - answers to genealogy research questions Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:32:09 -0800 Hi, Velma ~ Welcome to the wonderful world of computer genealogy. Please accept he following information as the friendly/helpful set of hints and rocedures it is intended to be. There are many sources available to ou that do not require subscription. This mailing list is one of them. It covers what we fondly call Old Chester County, which includes those reas which were part of Chester County prior to Lancaster County (1729) nd Delaware County (1789) being formed. There are others like it that ou might want to investigate. And questions regarding Lancaster and elaware Counties for events after their formation dates are probably est addressed to their respective mailing lists, though we may be able o assist somewhat here. The computer is a wonderful assistant for hose of us living far from our research areas. USGENWEB Please check out the various county and state sites on this wonderful esource. Just type USGENWEB into your search engine to reach it. It an direct you to websites and mailing lists for a huge number of ocalities. In fact, it is the place I go first when starting new esearch in an area. GOOGLE If you haven’t already been told to “Google” your ancestors, you ill be told to do so soon. Unfortunately, as I also learned, that nstruction usually doesn’t include exactly how to do this. So I’m iving you simple instructions on how to do it here: 1. Type in your ancestor’s name and put quotes around it. Repeat as ecessary for spelling variants. Using the quotation marks limits the earch to the actual string contained inside the quotes. Leaving off he quotes will give you all entries with either the first or last name r both, not necessarily together. My own example: “Levi Antrim” Levi Antram” “Levi Antrem” 2. Continuing on the same line, space once and then type the first ear of the year range in which the ancestor lived followed by two eriods with no spaces and the last year of the year range. My own xample: 1760..1840. he entire query should appear as follows: “Levi Antrim” 760..1840 Good luck searching! You’ll be surprised at what might show up. BOUNDARIES Changing boundaries generally are a problem that all genealogists must eal with on a regular basis. The generally accepted practice for ecording the location where an event took place is to record it as it xisted at the time of the event. This is done regardless of how many hanges in designation that location goes through in its future. For xample, Flatbush, Brooklyn, New York, was originally part of the Dutch olony of New Amsterdam and went by the name Midwout (or Midwood). nyone born there prior to the English takeover of the colony in 1664 hould be recorded as having been born in Midwout, Nieuw Nederland (or idwood, New Amsterdam, if you want it in English), not Flatbush, rooklyn, New York. In fact, according to Wikipedia, the Midwood esignation for the area continued as an alternative to Flatbush up to he earlier 20th century. Another example would be recording omeone’s birth prior to 1870 in the Duchy of Baden as having taken lace in Germany. Germany as a country didn’t exist in until the ormation of the German Empire. If you find it necessary to clarify the ituation so as to avoid confusion (yours or others), make a note in our genealogy program as to what the present location is called, but ontinue to use the correct location information for the dates you nter. On the same note, you mention that William Taylor came to the “US” n 1682. That wouldn't have been possible as the US didn't come into eing for another 100+ years. He actually immigrated to the colonies, pecifically Pennsylvania. So the quick answer to your question is yes, the county lines changed, r rather new counties were formed out of parts of old counties. pecifically, Delaware County was set off from Chester County in 1789. he following are townships origi ally found in the records of Chester ounty which, after 1789, are part of Delaware County: Aston, Bethel, irmingham (part), Chester, Chichester, Marple, Middletown, Providence Upper & Lower), Radnor, Ridley, and Springfield. I made a quick scan f the list of townships and boroughs on the ttp://chester.pa-roots.com/ website and may have missed a few ownships. However, the point is that Delaware County formed from hester County in 1789. Any act which occurred in one of the above ownships prior to 1789 actually occurred in Chester County. Given the ates mentioned in your message, this means that the various events you ention as occurring Upper Providence Township occurred while the ownship was still part of Chester County. Similarly, Berks County formed in 1752 from Philadelphia and Lancaster ounties. While Lancaster formed in 1729 from Chester County, only a hin slice along the upper edge of Lancaster was transferred to Berks ounty. Thus you may find better answers to questions relating to the rea which became Berks County on the boards and mailing lists relating o Philadelphia County, although many of us cross county lines regularly hen researching. Also, from the same list of townships as above, the entry for London ritain township states that it was originally surveyed for the London ompany with the earliest inhabitants in residence in 1700. Perhaps hat is the location of your “London Lands.” Finally, Botetourt County, VA, is nowhere near the Pennsylvania border. When formed in 1769, it contained the entire southwest quarter of Old irginia (combined VA & WV). Modern Botetourt County is located in the outh west part of modern Virginia. However, you should know that a ajor migration trail went down the Shenandoah Valley which leads toward otetourt County at its southern end. Good luck and happy hunting! Ginni Morgan acramento, CA >>> 12/28/09 11:48 PM >>> Hi. Here is another set of direct line ancestors. I know even less about hem. William Taylor was an original purchaser of Penn Colony land and hus had a small piece of property in Philadelphia, He came to the US n 1682 as did Allen Robinette whose descendant link up with the unkelbergers in my other email. I can find no evidence that he was elated to Zachary Taylor even tho Zachary was burried on the the land hat William first5 owned. William Taylor was born 1640 in Cheshire, England. He died March 6 682/1683 in Upper Providence, Chester Co. PA. This date has to be rong because he came to the US later in 1682. I do know that he died oon after he came to the US. His brother Peter lived longer. He ar4ried Margaret Finsham May 1, 1665 in Presbury, Cheshire, England. he was born about 1645 and died March 3.1682/83 in Chester Co PA. gain, I think that the date is wrong. Mary Taylor was born Feb. 26, 1673/74 in Kakewick, Prestbury, Cheshire, ngland. and died 1747 i East Notingham, Chester, PA. She married Samuel obinette abt 1693 in Chester, PA. Samuel was born May 11, 1669 in heshire, England and died April 30.1745 in East Notingham Twp, hester, PA. Samuel was the son of Allen Robinette who was also an riginal purchaser Penn land. James Robinette wasw born 1713 in Upper Providence Twp, Delaware, PA. e died March 10. 1784 in Hunington Twp. York PA He married An nknown. She was born in Upper Providence Twp. Delaware PA and died fter Oct 11. 1783. I am confused about the counties here. Was another ounty formed in this time period? The after date for her must have een a will. Samuel (Big Sam) Robinette was born about 1737 in Huntington Twp, York, a and died Oct 25, 1771 in Botetourt Va. He married Mary Fickle . he was born about 1738 in Syrasburg Twp, Lancaster Pa and died abt 7381826 Walker Creek, Wythe VA, James Robinette wasw born abt 1768 in Botetourt VA and died abt, 1816 n Scott Co VA. He married Catherine Darter. She was born June 26,1772 nd died??? They were the arents of Rhoda Robinette as listed with the unklebergers/ Is Bot5etourt VA just over the line from PA?? Again, my ancestors were the ones who kept moving. Thanks for any help that you can give me. I am certain that the pelling is not correct for some of these places. 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