Joan, As soon as Sandra gets back on the list after her medical issues calm down, I know she has been searching for a RUTH ANN FRAME for many years. So I do not know if there would be a tie in here for her RUTH. Tim R. ***** ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 8:56 PM Subject: [PaOldC] Nathan Frame 1723 - 1770 > Hi Everyone, > > I'm trying to find the connection, if there is one, between two Nathan > Frames who both died in 1770. > > One, my Nathan Frame, was born in England and was married to Ruth > Chalfant. They lived in Birmingham, Delaware County, PA and had 5 children; > Robert, > James, John, Thomas and Jane/Jean. > > The other Nathan Frame, according to the will of his father Robert Frame > who died in 1766, and his own will, lived in Sussex County, DE, He had 3 > brothers; Smith Frame, George Frame, William Frame and a sister, Mary Frame. > He appeared to have died in Worcester Co., MD and but his will was filed in > Sussex County, DE. > > I'm trying to determine if these two Nathans are the same person. One > source states that after the birth of my Nathan's 4 sons, "the father > disappears from our notice." I'm wondering if he and his wife Ruth > separated, and > he moved to Essex County in Delaware to be with his parents, Robert and > Isabella Frame. My Nathan did not leave a will, but Ruth filed for control of > his estate. The other Nathan had a will that left everything to his brothers > and sister. This was somewhat confusing because he was in the process of > settling his father's estate when he himself died. > > Any information about the Nathan Frames that died in 1770 would really be > appreciated. > > Joan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Goodness! I didn't know Sandra was looking for a Ruth Frame who could be a Chalfant. I have a Mary Chalfant born abt 1735, who married Nathaniel Jefferis in Chester PA (I think; hasn't been verified). Mary Chalfant's father was Isaac Chalfant; don't know her mother's name. My Townsends tie into this family because Nathaniel Jefferis' brother Samuel married a Margaret Townsend (a descendant of my immigrant Townsend) in 1759 at the Birmingham MM in Bucks Co, PA. Kim Townsend Spangrude On Jan 2, 2010, at 8:26 PM, Tim Robinson wrote: > Joan, > > As soon as Sandra gets back on the list after her medical issues > calm down, I > know she has been searching for a RUTH ANN FRAME for many years. So > I do not > know if there would be a tie in here for her RUTH. > > Tim R. > ***** > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 8:56 PM > Subject: [PaOldC] Nathan Frame 1723 - 1770 > > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I'm trying to find the connection, if there is one, between two >> Nathan >> Frames who both died in 1770. >> >> One, my Nathan Frame, was born in England and was married to Ruth >> Chalfant. They lived in Birmingham, Delaware County, PA and had 5 >> children; >> Robert, >> James, John, Thomas and Jane/Jean. >> >> The other Nathan Frame, according to the will of his father Robert >> Frame >> who died in 1766, and his own will, lived in Sussex County, DE, He >> had 3 >> brothers; Smith Frame, George Frame, William Frame and a sister, >> Mary Frame. >> He appeared to have died in Worcester Co., MD and but his will was >> filed in >> Sussex County, DE. >> >> I'm trying to determine if these two Nathans are the same person. >> One >> source states that after the birth of my Nathan's 4 sons, "the >> father >> disappears from our notice." I'm wondering if he and his wife Ruth >> separated, and >> he moved to Essex County in Delaware to be with his parents, >> Robert and >> Isabella Frame. My Nathan did not leave a will, but Ruth filed for >> control of >> his estate. The other Nathan had a will that left everything to >> his brothers >> and sister. This was somewhat confusing because he was in the >> process of >> settling his father's estate when he himself died. >> >> Any information about the Nathan Frames that died in 1770 would >> really be >> appreciated. >> >> Joan >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Kim, Ruth Ann Frame1818-1900, is one of the toughest nuts to crack, on my family tree. I think I've searched pretty much everywhere in Chester, but have never been able to find parents for her, and believe me, I've looked. It's been a while, so things are a bit hazy, but I do remember looking through the Nathans' families, as there were Ruths scattered through the generations...but, I could never find where she 'fitted', if, indeed, she fitted at all. I've also toyed with the idea that Elisha Newlin 'might' have met and wed her in Ohio, as a census says their first child was born in Ohio...which is tough to figure out...and, Elisha, wife Ruth Ann and children moved to Belmont County, Ohio, after the 1850 federal census and before 1860, by which time Elisha was dead. Elisha owned land...a farm and a mill, in Chester, so there was no need to move away for land, which is often the reason for folks moving westward, so I wondered if they didn't make the move because Ruth Ann wanted to be close to her family, etc...it could also explain why she didn't move back to Chester, after Elisha's death......just a possible theory for which I have NOTHING in Ohio to back it up!.......so, if anyone has a 'extra' Ruth Frame, born around 1818, that they can't figure out, PLEASE let me know! Interestingly enough, Elisha Newlin's sister, Ellen Lousie Newlin 1826-1850, married Jacob M. Chalfant. Ellen was a member of the 2nd Baptist Church, formerly the Hepzibah Baptist Church, in Fallowfield, where many of the Newlins lived. It is the quilt made for the marriage of Ellen and Jacob, that I got for Christmas a few years ago.....remember? S. "Goodness! I didn't know Sandra was looking for a Ruth Frame who could > be a Chalfant. "