from a lookup Henry and Conrad Carl were listed in 1744 as landowners in Vincent twp. Jacob, Johannes and John were members of the Brownback's Reformed Church in 1744, I checked the records I have of the East Vincent Reformed Congregation and this was definitely the church that had a great many Carls as members, including Conrad. Dec 4, 1773 born, April 3rd,1774,baptized son of Conrad Carl and Maria. May 4, 1776 born, bapt.June 28, Abraham, son Conrad and Maria Carl. May 3, 1785 born, bapt. May 29, 1785, Magdalena, dau Conrad and Maria Carl April 5, 1787 born, Aug 5, 1787, bapt Danjel (Daniel) son of Conrad and Maria Carl Nov 12, 1792 born Nov 18, bapt. David, son Conrad and Anna Maria Carl Death record; dec 4th, 1788, Magdalena, aged 3 years. Parents Conrad Carl and Maria, Mother

Hello Sandra:   Do you have a copy of the John Hill Martin book you mention?  No libraries near me do.  I had not encountered it before.  Although it does not sound like a scholarly work   If you do, would you be kind enough to do a look-up of the Llewelyn family.  As I have mentioned before I am direct descendant of Morris Llewelyn who owned land in William Penn's Welsh tract, arriving in 1682 (note most of my family spell it with 3 l's, although Llewellyn is mre common in other families).   I wonder also if there is information in the book on the Roland and Pugh familes who may or may not be linked eith the Llewelyns.   Many thanks.   Eleanor From: Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> To: pa-old-chester-l@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:08 AM Subject: [PaOldC] Siddons family This is certainly not a common area name and I found few mentions of it. If you haven't already, you may want to go to the Chester County rootsweb site, mentioned in your Welcome Email, and look through all the tax records that are there.....you might get lucky.  I looked in THE HISTORY OF CHESTER COUNTY PA, by futhey and Cope, but there is no mention of the surname, any spelling.  I also looked in the 1765 Chester archives, with no luck.       I found this will which has no mention of whom you seek...it is the Del. Co probate records.  There are no other area wills for a Wm Siddon, any spelling....this includes Chester, Del, Lanc, Bucks, Berks, Philadelphia, and others, SIDDONS, WILLIAM, Chester.May 12, 1815 - June 28, 1820.Wife ____; children: John, Sarah, Ann and Joshua.Exrs: Sd. wife.Wits: William GRAHAM and Samuel J. WITHY. #533. This is from CHESTER AND ITS VICINITY DELAWARE CO IN pa....by John Hill Martin, esq; "at Munday's Run near Chester town, Old Siddons knocked the pedler down, and robbed him of his golden store and left him in the weltering gore.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               In reality, Siddons was captured, taken to Chester and tried.  He was acquitted and died in 1824, buried in the old grave yard of St Paul's.  It was said that the pedler's ghost was often seen in the dusk of early twilight walking about the "widow McIlvain's Meadow."     also found this.....same book.....".......house at the S.E. corner of Second and Edgmont, known as the Siddon's house." same book; .....Wm Siddons and John Wood occupied pew 2, 1803, St. Pauls                                                                                                                                                                       Sandra ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gilpin is a fairly familiar name in the area, and too many to type everything . If you would include other given names, it would be a big help. The family originally came over in 1695 and settled in Birmingham. Their first dwelling was a cave on the side of the hill. Joseph, the original settler died in 1736 at the age of 75, (I've included his will, below), leaving to survive him, 15 children and 45 grandchildren. The only Isaac in Futhey and Cope, that I see, was born in 1709, the son of the above, Joseph.. I found, elsewhere in F&C, an Isaac Gilpin who married Mary Painter, dau of Samuel......(no date given....see will below) In the Concord meeting records (which, by the looks of the Gilpins in the index) is the following ; Isaac Glover Gilpin, of Wilmington, NewCastle, Del, s of George and Ruth Gilpin, m Hannah Darlington, d Thomas Darlington and Hanna, of East Bradford, 11-12m-1794 So, without a wife's name, we can't tell if it is either or neither of the above that you're looking for. If looking for other info, be specific in what you're seeking.....with 12 children and 45 grandchildren, there's a whale of a lot of stuff.here and there. ; PAINTER, SAMUEL. East Bradford.August 3, 1800: December 22, 1801.To son James my plantation in E. Bradford purchased of James Collier, cont. about 118 acres, with about 42 acres of my other land adjoining, he paying to my grandaughter, Esthr Tate, £100.To son Joseph about 70 acres of land whereon I now dwell, adjoining Brandywine Creek; also 10 acres of other land, he paying to my daughter Lydia Baily £100. To son Samuel all remaining of land in E. Bradford about 190 acres, paying to my daughter Lydia Baily £500, and to granddaughter Esther Tate £50. Executors: Sons James, Joseph and Samuel Painter. Wits.: Gideon Gilpin, Isaac G. Gilpin, Abraham Darlington. GILPIN, JOSEPH. Birmingham, yeoman.August 29, 1739. December 5, 1739. B. 51.To wife Hannah my tract of land in New Garden containing about 195 acres with all personal estate not otherwise disposed of during life. To son Samuel £60 also £5 to his son Joseph. To son Joseph £10. To son Moses £50. To daughter Esther Gilpin £20. To grandson Joseph Seal £5. To grandson Joseph Mendenhall £5. To grandson Joseph Peirce £5. To grandson Joseph Cook £5. To son George, clock and great Bible, Sewalls history. To daughter Rachel Peirce £15. To son in law Jos. Mendenhall £5. Remainder to daughters, viz Hannah Seal, Ruth Mendenhall, Lydia Dean, Sarah Cook " Mary Taylor & Esther Gilpin, after wifes decease. Executors: wife Hannah, son George & son in law Jos. Mendenhall. Letters to widow and son in law. Son Geo. renouncing. Witnesses: Jeremiah Dean, Nathaniel Ring. S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "vhowery" <vhowery@kc.rr.com> To: <PA-OLD-CHESTER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:38 AM Subject: [PaOldC] Gilpin > Hi I have posted to this list very few times. As I research on my own. I > am a Old Chester Co Descendant From The Worley/Pusey Bunch..Anyway I am > looking forany info on Gilpins Back in The 1700's I have a Isaac Gilpin > born in 1783 were is not know but I do know they Came over to Chester Co > Along with the Quakers. This is my Daughters in laws- Grandchildrens > Grandparents back..Thanks..vhowery@kc.rr.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.930 / Virus Database: 2410.1.1/4958 - Release Date: 04/25/12 02:34:00

One of the better sources for information on the Gilpin family that immigrated to Chester County is "The Gilpin Family in England and America" by A. R. Justice, published by the Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania. It is on microfilm at the Family History Library, film #517145, item 2. It may now be available somewhere on the internet, but I searched for it and didn't find it. Larry Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: "vhowery" <vhowery@kc.rr.com> To: <PA-OLD-CHESTER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:38 AM Subject: [PaOldC] Gilpin > Hi I have posted to this list very few times. As I research on my own. I > am a Old Chester Co Descendant From The Worley/Pusey Bunch..Anyway I am > looking forany info on Gilpins Back in The 1700's I have a Isaac Gilpin > born in 1783 were is not know but I do know they Came over to Chester Co > Along with the Quakers. This is my Daughters in laws- Grandchildrens > Grandparents back..Thanks..vhowery@kc.rr.com

This is certainly not a common area name and I found few mentions of it. If you haven't already, you may want to go to the Chester County rootsweb site, mentioned in your Welcome Email, and look through all the tax records that are there.....you might get lucky. I looked in THE HISTORY OF CHESTER COUNTY PA, by futhey and Cope, but there is no mention of the surname, any spelling. I also looked in the 1765 Chester archives, with no luck. I found this will which has no mention of whom you seek...it is the Del. Co probate records. There are no other area wills for a Wm Siddon, any spelling....this includes Chester, Del, Lanc, Bucks, Berks, Philadelphia, and others, SIDDONS, WILLIAM, Chester.May 12, 1815 - June 28, 1820.Wife ____; children: John, Sarah, Ann and Joshua.Exrs: Sd. wife.Wits: William GRAHAM and Samuel J. WITHY. #533. This is from CHESTER AND ITS VICINITY DELAWARE CO IN pa....by John Hill Martin, esq; "at Munday's Run near Chester town, Old Siddons knocked the pedler down, and robbed him of his golden store and left him in the weltering gore. In reality, Siddons was captured, taken to Chester and tried. He was acquitted and died in 1824, buried in the old grave yard of St Paul's. It was said that the pedler's ghost was often seen in the dusk of early twilight walking about the "widow McIlvain's Meadow." also found this.....same book.....".......house at the S.E. corner of Second and Edgmont, known as the Siddon's house." same book; .....Wm Siddons and John Wood occupied pew 2, 1803, St. Pauls Sandra

Hi I have posted to this list very few times. As I research on my own. I am a Old Chester Co Descendant From The Worley/Pusey Bunch..Anyway I am looking forany info on Gilpins Back in The 1700's I have a Isaac Gilpin born in 1783 were is not know but I do know they Came over to Chester Co Along with the Quakers. This is my Daughters in laws- Grandchildrens Grandparents back..Thanks..vhowery@kc.rr.com

  James Siddens was born 01 April 1777 according to his headstone in an Indiana cemetery.   He is alleged to have been born at East Marlborough in Chester County, but I have been unable to confirm that.  Another story has his family living next to the Ben Franklins in Philadelphia at one time. By the time of his marriage in 1798 he was living in Augusta County, Va.    Siddens is also alleged to be the son of William Siddons and Jeanne Carr, members of the Old Swedes Church in Philadelphia.  The couple are known to have been wed there in 1766, but there are no church records for any children of this couple.     Can anyone suggest particular records that might be checked in Chester County as I attempt to find parents for James (and his brothers William and Joseph)?   Sincerely, Duane Lamers Troy, Michigan

Here is the abstract, which includes it where they always put occupations JOHNSON, ROBERT. New Garden. Glaizer. January 26, 1732. November 28, 1732. A. 386.Provides for wife not named. To sons James, Joshua and Robert £20 each. To daughters Abigail and Ann £15 each. To son Benjamin, my plantation whereon I now dwell containing 300 acres, he paying above legacies.Executors: son Joshua and friend Benjamin Fred.Witnesses: Saml. Miller, John Willson, Benj. Fredd. (Caleb's will abstract also makes it pretty clear that his father was a glazier) JOHNSON, CALEB. New Garden.April 26, 1728. October 1, 1728. A. 283.To brother James Johnson, £15. To brothers Joshua, Robert and Benjamin £15 each. To sister Abigail wife of Isaac Baily of Marlborough £15. To sister Ann wife of Saml. Jackson late of Eegmont £15. Executors: father Robert Johnson [of New Garden, Glazier] and with mother Margaret Johnson, residuary legatees. Witnesses: Samuel Jackson, James Cooper. from Futhey and Cope, in case you don't have it; Robert Johnson, b 7, 29, 1696 in Coleboy, co Wicklow, married Sarah, dau of Gayen and Margaret Miller, b 9, 1, 1704 in Kennet, and they had children......Benjamin,, James, Joshua, Robert Abigail and Ann. Abigail became the wife of Thomas Wickersham...then Isaac Baily, and finally Mordecai Cloud. A son, Caleb Johnson, died in 1728, and a daughter, Sarah, in 1718. Robert Johnson, Jr, married Katharine, dau of Simon and Ru\th Hadly, and had children.......Hannah, Simon, Caleb, Lydia, Stehen, Jonathan and Isaac. I'm pleased to see that the abstracts, in this case, seem to be pretty good in including pertinent info. Sandra Robert Johnson - 1732 His son Caleb Johnson - 1728

Gene, Thanks so much! It followed that location description so I assumed it was a part of the location. Since there is little to no punctuation in these wills, I would probably have never realized that I was their profession. It makes sense as they were father and son. Thanks again, Judy From: Eugene Stackhouse [mailto:genestackhouse@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 7:13 AM To: Judy Burns Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Transcribing question Glazier: Someone who works with glass. Gene Stackhouse Author: "Germantown in the Civil War" History Press www.historypress.net Also available at the Germantown Historical Society 5501 Germantown Ave. Phila., PA 19144 From: Judy Burns <Jburns407@cox.net> To: pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 7:02 AM Subject: [PaOldC] Transcribing question I am transcribing the wills of two men who died in Chester County in 1728 and 1732. In both wills there is the following phrase - "of the Township of Newgarden in the County of Chester & province of pensilvania Glaiser this Twenty sixth Day". My question is regarding the word "Glaiser." It is possible that it is "Claiser." I have been unable to determine what this word means. I have assumed that it is a location but cannot find where that would be. Has anyone seen this word before? Thanks for any assistance on this one. Judy Oklahoma City ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am transcribing the wills of two men who died in Chester County in 1728 and 1732. In both wills there is the following phrase - "of the Township of Newgarden in the County of Chester & province of pensilvania Glaiser this Twenty sixth Day". My question is regarding the word "Glaiser." It is possible that it is "Claiser." I have been unable to determine what this word means. I have assumed that it is a location but cannot find where that would be. Has anyone seen this word before? Thanks for any assistance on this one. Judy Oklahoma City

Robert G. Swift, compiler, Wills of Delaware County, Pennsylvania, 1789-1835, Westminster, MD, Willow Bend Press,, p. 148 "Painter, Samuel Thornbury. Feb 1, 1818-Dec. 20, 1823. Wife Esther, sister Lydia, wife of Isaac Bailey and her sons James of Baltimore and Thomas of East Marlborough and Vincent of Maryland. Names four nieces: Betty Mercer, Lydia Bennett, Esther Clemson and Hannah Dickenson; a cousin Samuel Painter Mercer; Emy Dixon widow of brother in law Isaac Dixson of Wilmington; a stepson Jesse Chandler and his son Samuel Painter Chandler; neice Esther Tate and brother in law William Tate, Ruth and Hannah Gilpin, daughters of Isaac G. Gilpin; Esther Painter Jones daughter of Benjamin and Ann Jones of E. Bradford; Samuel son of cousin Joseph Painter and Lydia his wife."

I can't remember whether we discussed this or not, but in case it's the latter, I wanted to share a word of warning concerning findagrave. I believe when this started people entered the names and info found on actual grave stones. However, things have changed and there are MANY people that enter data found through other sources and who have never visited the actual cemetery or seen the stone. Recently, in an off moment, I checked on my grandparents, and found that someone had entered data from state death records. While this might be fine in many cases, in my case there were multiple PROVABLE errors. The info had been originally given by my father, who, when I asked years later why he didn't correct these mistakes, said "who cares"! Anyway, I just want to warn you that findagrave, while a wonderful site, is not, in many cases, a primary source, and as such can NOT be taken as factual.....just a jumping off point for you to either prove or disprove the data with your own research. S.

Other helpful sources might be: For Samuel: Source: "Biographical and Portrait Cyclopedia of Chester County, Pennsylvania, comprising a historical sketch of the county," by Samuel T. Wiley and edited by Winfield Scott Garner, Gresham Publishing Company, Philadelphia, PA, 1893, pp. 791-793.  (transcribed at http://files.usgwarchives.org/pa/chester/bios/p/painter-h.txt  ) For Esther: Source: "Calendar of Delaware Wills, New Castle County, 1682-1800," Abstracted and Compiled by The Historical Research Committee of The Colonial Dames of Delaware, Heritage Books, Bowie, MD, 1991, p. 63 (abstract of brother Thomas Gilpin's will) just named 'Esther and http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/chester/wills/willbookb.txt (her father's will abstract) and Source: The ancestry of Clarence Cresson BRINTON in "Colonial & Revolutionary Families of Pennsylvania" (I xeroxed this many years ago and neglected to get the bibliography page! - sometime in the 1920's I think) - a vanity piece that mostly cribbed from other sources for the older material and Source: "Colonial Families of Philadelphia, Vol. I", John W. Jordan LL.D., editor, The Lewis Publishing Co., NY, 1911, pp. 424-6. (Gilpin Family) - a great source on the Gilpins drawing from a much older family genealogy. and Source: "The Sharpless Family...", compiled by Gilbert Cope, pub. by the Bi-centennial Reunion Committee, Philadelphia, 1887, p. 234 (a brief blurb on the Gilpins) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimberly Spangrude" <kimspangrude@mac.com> To: "Candy Roth" <clroth1229@earthlink.net> Cc: "PaOldChester" <pa-old-chester-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 9:55:56 AM Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Painter Great!  Thank you! Kim Townsend Spangrude On Apr 21, 2012, at 5:42 AM, Candy Roth wrote: > Samuel Painter who married Esther Gilpin was the father of Samuel Painter who married Esther James. > > Samuel Painter b 5 2mo 1719 according to Darby M.M. records.  He died 24 Mar 1801.  He married Esther Gilpin, daughter of Joseph and Hannah Glover Gilpin on 5 6mo 1741 at the Concord M.H. in Chester, PA > > One of their children was: > Samuel Painter b 23 8mo 1757 East Bradford, Chester, PA d 4 Dec 1823 m (1) Martha Tate b 1764 d 1808, daughter of William and Ann Nichols Tate.  Martha Tate had previously been married in 1781 to Jesse Chandler 1750-1785. Samuel Painter m (2) Esther James b 6 9mo 1757 according to the Goshen M.M. records.  She d 16 Sep 1854.  Esther is referenced in Lew's account below. > > Sources: > "Genealogy and Biographical Sketches of the Family of Samuel Painter," by Orrin Chalfant Painter, Baltimore 1903; Press of Jno. S. Bridges & Co., Baltimore, MD; pg. 27 > > "History of Chester Co., PA" by J. Smith Futhey and Gilbert Cope; Philadelphia; Louis H. Everts, 1881; pg. 512, 570, 765 > > "Early PA Births, 1675-1875" Compiled by Charles A. Fisher, Pub. Genealogical Pub. Co., Baltimore, MD 1975; LOC #75-21584; pg. 89 > > "Quaker Marriage Certificates, Concord M.M., Delaware Co., PA 1678-1808 by Gwen Boyer Bjorkman, pub. Heritage Books Inc., 1991; pg. 54 > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Kimberly Spangrude" <kimspangrude@mac.com> > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 5:18 PM > To: "George Smedley" <smedley.george@att.net> > Cc: "PaOldChester" <pa-old-chester-l@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Painter > >> Lew, where did you find this account?   The Samuel Painter who married Esther Gilpin was a different Samuel Painter; he was born abt 1710-1720, died in 1801; according to the following two sources, his spouse was Esther Gilpin, they married 1741 and had many children.  The Samuel Painter below in your email is a different Samuel; I remember several years ago there were several emails exchanged about how confusing this family is, because each generation had a Samuel, George, Hannah and Esther.  There is a book  by Dr. Chalfant Painter, abt. 52-54 pages, giving the history and descendency,  it is named something like  'History of the Painter family ' or  'Genealogy of the Painter family'. >> >> Sources for Samuel painter and Esther Gilpin: >> Rash’s Genealogy  http://www.pennock.ws/surnames/fam/fam06136.html >> Marriage Records - Chester County:  PA Roots Genealogy Data Board http://www.pa-roots.org/data/read.php?227,419736,419736#msg-419736 >> >> Kim Townsend Spangrude >> >> >> >> On Apr 20, 2012, at 12:37 PM, George Smedley wrote: >> >>> ABRAHAM WILLIAMSON (Sarah,Mary,Sarah,George),b.Thornbury,1-29-1757; >>> d.there,2-4-1807;m.9-18-1777,at a meeting "held occasionally at the dwelling >>> house of Joseph James,in Westtown," to Esther James,b.9-6-1757; >>> d.9-16-1854;dau.of Joseph James,deceased,and Hannah Hickman,of that >>> township.One of the overseers reported that the marriage was "accomplished >>> at a private house,occasioned by the Difficulty of the times." This was not >>> long after the Battle of Brandywine and the Paoli Massacre,one on each side >>> of the James homestead and but a few miles away.Abraham Williamson resided >>> on a farm in Thornbury,purchased by himself and Jesse James,his >>> brother-in-law.He left no children.His widow was married again,5-25-1809,to >>> Samuel Painter,of East Bradford (now Birmingham);"the greatest wedding of >>> our day," says Benjamin Hickman in his diary.Esther Painter,being left in >>> comfortable circumstances,became somewhat of a capitalist and loaned money >>> on mortgage to neighboring farmers. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

from a lookup; Mary Hollingsworth, the dau of Valentine and his first wife Ann Ree, married, first 4 m 28, 1682, at the house of Francis Robson, Parish of Segoe, County Armagh, Ireland, Thomas Conway, or Connaway, of Parish Lisburn, County Antrim. They came to the Delaware with her father in 1682, and settled near him in New Castle Co. Thomas Conway died 11m 30, 1688-9...she then married Randal Malin....this was from IMMIGRATION OF THE IRISH QUAKERS INTO PA , by Myers. The same info appears in THE WELCOME CLAIMANTS PROVED, DISPROVED AND DOUBTFUL, by the Welcome Society. Mary and Randall were married in the Kennett meeting S.

Great! Thank you! Kim Townsend Spangrude On Apr 21, 2012, at 5:42 AM, Candy Roth wrote: > Samuel Painter who married Esther Gilpin was the father of Samuel Painter who married Esther James. > > Samuel Painter b 5 2mo 1719 according to Darby M.M. records. He died 24 Mar 1801. He married Esther Gilpin, daughter of Joseph and Hannah Glover Gilpin on 5 6mo 1741 at the Concord M.H. in Chester, PA > > One of their children was: > Samuel Painter b 23 8mo 1757 East Bradford, Chester, PA d 4 Dec 1823 m (1) Martha Tate b 1764 d 1808, daughter of William and Ann Nichols Tate. Martha Tate had previously been married in 1781 to Jesse Chandler 1750-1785. Samuel Painter m (2) Esther James b 6 9mo 1757 according to the Goshen M.M. records. She d 16 Sep 1854. Esther is referenced in Lew's account below. > > Sources: > "Genealogy and Biographical Sketches of the Family of Samuel Painter," by Orrin Chalfant Painter, Baltimore 1903; Press of Jno. S. Bridges & Co., Baltimore, MD; pg. 27 > > "History of Chester Co., PA" by J. Smith Futhey and Gilbert Cope; Philadelphia; Louis H. Everts, 1881; pg. 512, 570, 765 > > "Early PA Births, 1675-1875" Compiled by Charles A. Fisher, Pub. Genealogical Pub. Co., Baltimore, MD 1975; LOC #75-21584; pg. 89 > > "Quaker Marriage Certificates, Concord M.M., Delaware Co., PA 1678-1808 by Gwen Boyer Bjorkman, pub. Heritage Books Inc., 1991; pg. 54 > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Kimberly Spangrude" <kimspangrude@mac.com> > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 5:18 PM > To: "George Smedley" <smedley.george@att.net> > Cc: "PaOldChester" <pa-old-chester-l@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Painter > >> Lew, where did you find this account? The Samuel Painter who married Esther Gilpin was a different Samuel Painter; he was born abt 1710-1720, died in 1801; according to the following two sources, his spouse was Esther Gilpin, they married 1741 and had many children. The Samuel Painter below in your email is a different Samuel; I remember several years ago there were several emails exchanged about how confusing this family is, because each generation had a Samuel, George, Hannah and Esther. There is a book by Dr. Chalfant Painter, abt. 52-54 pages, giving the history and descendency, it is named something like 'History of the Painter family ' or 'Genealogy of the Painter family'. >> >> Sources for Samuel painter and Esther Gilpin: >> Rash’s Genealogy http://www.pennock.ws/surnames/fam/fam06136.html >> Marriage Records - Chester County: PA Roots Genealogy Data Board http://www.pa-roots.org/data/read.php?227,419736,419736#msg-419736 >> >> Kim Townsend Spangrude >> >> >> >> On Apr 20, 2012, at 12:37 PM, George Smedley wrote: >> >>> ABRAHAM WILLIAMSON (Sarah,Mary,Sarah,George),b.Thornbury,1-29-1757; >>> d.there,2-4-1807;m.9-18-1777,at a meeting "held occasionally at the dwelling >>> house of Joseph James,in Westtown," to Esther James,b.9-6-1757; >>> d.9-16-1854;dau.of Joseph James,deceased,and Hannah Hickman,of that >>> township.One of the overseers reported that the marriage was "accomplished >>> at a private house,occasioned by the Difficulty of the times." This was not >>> long after the Battle of Brandywine and the Paoli Massacre,one on each side >>> of the James homestead and but a few miles away.Abraham Williamson resided >>> on a farm in Thornbury,purchased by himself and Jesse James,his >>> brother-in-law.He left no children.His widow was married again,5-25-1809,to >>> Samuel Painter,of East Bradford (now Birmingham);"the greatest wedding of >>> our day," says Benjamin Hickman in his diary.Esther Painter,being left in >>> comfortable circumstances,became somewhat of a capitalist and loaned money >>> on mortgage to neighboring farmers. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Samuel Painter who married Esther Gilpin was the father of Samuel Painter who married Esther James. Samuel Painter b 5 2mo 1719 according to Darby M.M. records. He died 24 Mar 1801. He married Esther Gilpin, daughter of Joseph and Hannah Glover Gilpin on 5 6mo 1741 at the Concord M.H. in Chester, PA One of their children was: Samuel Painter b 23 8mo 1757 East Bradford, Chester, PA d 4 Dec 1823 m (1) Martha Tate b 1764 d 1808, daughter of William and Ann Nichols Tate. Martha Tate had previously been married in 1781 to Jesse Chandler 1750-1785. Samuel Painter m (2) Esther James b 6 9mo 1757 according to the Goshen M.M. records. She d 16 Sep 1854. Esther is referenced in Lew's account below. Sources: "Genealogy and Biographical Sketches of the Family of Samuel Painter," by Orrin Chalfant Painter, Baltimore 1903; Press of Jno. S. Bridges & Co., Baltimore, MD; pg. 27 "History of Chester Co., PA" by J. Smith Futhey and Gilbert Cope; Philadelphia; Louis H. Everts, 1881; pg. 512, 570, 765 "Early PA Births, 1675-1875" Compiled by Charles A. Fisher, Pub. Genealogical Pub. Co., Baltimore, MD 1975; LOC #75-21584; pg. 89 "Quaker Marriage Certificates, Concord M.M., Delaware Co., PA 1678-1808 by Gwen Boyer Bjorkman, pub. Heritage Books Inc., 1991; pg. 54 -------------------------------------------------- From: "Kimberly Spangrude" <kimspangrude@mac.com> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 5:18 PM To: "George Smedley" <smedley.george@att.net> Cc: "PaOldChester" <pa-old-chester-l@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Painter > Lew, where did you find this account? The Samuel Painter who married > Esther Gilpin was a different Samuel Painter; he was born abt 1710-1720, > died in 1801; according to the following two sources, his spouse was > Esther Gilpin, they married 1741 and had many children. The Samuel > Painter below in your email is a different Samuel; I remember several > years ago there were several emails exchanged about how confusing this > family is, because each generation had a Samuel, George, Hannah and > Esther. There is a book by Dr. Chalfant Painter, abt. 52-54 pages, > giving the history and descendency, it is named something like 'History > of the Painter family ' or 'Genealogy of the Painter family'. > > Sources for Samuel painter and Esther Gilpin: > Rash’s Genealogy http://www.pennock.ws/surnames/fam/fam06136.html > Marriage Records - Chester County: PA Roots Genealogy Data Board > http://www.pa-roots.org/data/read.php?227,419736,419736#msg-419736 > > Kim Townsend Spangrude > > > > On Apr 20, 2012, at 12:37 PM, George Smedley wrote: > >> ABRAHAM WILLIAMSON (Sarah,Mary,Sarah,George),b.Thornbury,1-29-1757; >> d.there,2-4-1807;m.9-18-1777,at a meeting "held occasionally at the >> dwelling >> house of Joseph James,in Westtown," to Esther James,b.9-6-1757; >> d.9-16-1854;dau.of Joseph James,deceased,and Hannah Hickman,of that >> township.One of the overseers reported that the marriage was >> "accomplished >> at a private house,occasioned by the Difficulty of the times." This was >> not >> long after the Battle of Brandywine and the Paoli Massacre,one on each >> side >> of the James homestead and but a few miles away.Abraham Williamson >> resided >> on a farm in Thornbury,purchased by himself and Jesse James,his >> brother-in-law.He left no children.His widow was married >> again,5-25-1809,to >> Samuel Painter,of East Bradford (now Birmingham);"the greatest wedding of >> our day," says Benjamin Hickman in his diary.Esther Painter,being left in >> comfortable circumstances,became somewhat of a capitalist and loaned >> money >> on mortgage to neighboring farmers. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

ABRAHAM WILLIAMSON (Sarah,Mary,Sarah,George),b.Thornbury,1-29-1757; d.there,2-4-1807;m.9-18-1777,at a meeting "held occasionally at the dwelling house of Joseph James,in Westtown," to Esther James,b.9-6-1757; d.9-16-1854;dau.of Joseph James,deceased,and Hannah Hickman,of that township.One of the overseers reported that the marriage was "accomplished at a private house,occasioned by the Difficulty of the times." This was not long after the Battle of Brandywine and the Paoli Massacre,one on each side of the James homestead and but a few miles away.Abraham Williamson resided on a farm in Thornbury,purchased by himself and Jesse James,his brother-in-law.He left no children.His widow was married again,5-25-1809,to Samuel Painter,of East Bradford (now Birmingham);"the greatest wedding of our day," says Benjamin Hickman in his diary.Esther Painter,being left in comfortable circumstances,became somewhat of a capitalist and loaned money on mortgage to neighboring farmers. Lew Smedley aka George

A friend just sent this to me, and I loved it. It's little things like this that make history come alive. Apparently the ladies of our area are NOT to be 'messed' with! The Pennsylvania Gazette, April 10-17, 1735, contains the following: " PHILADELPHIA, April 17. ""We hear from Chester County, that last Week at a Vendue held there, a Man being unreasonably abusive to his Wife upon some trifling Occasion, the Women form'd themselves into a Court, and order'd him to be apprehended by their Officers and brought to Tryal: Being found guilty he was condemn'd to be duck'd 3 times in a neighbouring Pond, and to have one half cut off, of his Hair and Beard (which it seems he wore at full length) and the Sentence was accordingly executed, to the great Diversion of the Spectators."

Lew, where did you find this account? The Samuel Painter who married Esther Gilpin was a different Samuel Painter; he was born abt 1710-1720, died in 1801; according to the following two sources, his spouse was Esther Gilpin, they married 1741 and had many children. The Samuel Painter below in your email is a different Samuel; I remember several years ago there were several emails exchanged about how confusing this family is, because each generation had a Samuel, George, Hannah and Esther. There is a book by Dr. Chalfant Painter, abt. 52-54 pages, giving the history and descendency, it is named something like 'History of the Painter family ' or 'Genealogy of the Painter family'. Sources for Samuel painter and Esther Gilpin: Rash’s Genealogy http://www.pennock.ws/surnames/fam/fam06136.html Marriage Records - Chester County: PA Roots Genealogy Data Board http://www.pa-roots.org/data/read.php?227,419736,419736#msg-419736 Kim Townsend Spangrude On Apr 20, 2012, at 12:37 PM, George Smedley wrote: > ABRAHAM WILLIAMSON (Sarah,Mary,Sarah,George),b.Thornbury,1-29-1757; > d.there,2-4-1807;m.9-18-1777,at a meeting "held occasionally at the dwelling > house of Joseph James,in Westtown," to Esther James,b.9-6-1757; > d.9-16-1854;dau.of Joseph James,deceased,and Hannah Hickman,of that > township.One of the overseers reported that the marriage was "accomplished > at a private house,occasioned by the Difficulty of the times." This was not > long after the Battle of Brandywine and the Paoli Massacre,one on each side > of the James homestead and but a few miles away.Abraham Williamson resided > on a farm in Thornbury,purchased by himself and Jesse James,his > brother-in-law.He left no children.His widow was married again,5-25-1809,to > Samuel Painter,of East Bradford (now Birmingham);"the greatest wedding of > our day," says Benjamin Hickman in his diary.Esther Painter,being left in > comfortable circumstances,became somewhat of a capitalist and loaned money > on mortgage to neighboring farmers.

Wonderful! Thank you very much for looking this up. This is the first time I have been able to see the Gilpin, Painter and Townsend families all tied together, and it makes a lot of sense. Thank you again, Sandra! Kim Townsend Spangrude On Apr 20, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Sandra Ferguson wrote: > ." I have some Painters in my Townsend lineage: Samuel Painter, will proved 1804, married Esther Gilpin ( I don't have dates of birth on either of them). They had 1) Hannah b. 1751 in Chester, PA, she married Joseph Townsend b. 1756 in Chester, PA., in 1782 in the Birmingham Monthly Meeting 2)Samuel and 3) George. I was wondering how Thomas Painter and Samuel Painter were related." > > > I may have found what you're looking for; > a Samuel Painter is suppose to have come from the part of England bordering onWales, and his name is found as a lot owner in Philly, in 1705. > His son Samuel purchased land in Birmingham in 1707. He was married 4, 7, 1716, at the Concord meeting to Elizabeth Buxcey, a sister to the wife of John Passmore, of Kennett. Their children were Mary, m to Isaac Gilpin;. Samuel; John, m to Agnes Coebourn and Sarah Yeatman; Thomas m to Grace Cloud; Ann m to Robert Chamberlin; and Lydia. > Samuel m 6-5 1741 to Esther, dau of Joseph and Hannah Gilpin, of Birmingham. Their children were James m to Jane Carter' George; Lydia m Isaac Baily; Joseph; Thomas; Hannah m to Joseph Townsend, of Baltimore; and Samuel. > > from the Concord MM records; > > Samuel Painter, son of Samuel Painter and Elizabeth his wife of Burmingham m Esther Gilpin, dau of Joseph Gilpin...deceased... and his widdow Hannah....m at the concord MH 5 6m 1741 > > Joseph Townsend, s of John and Joanna Townsend of East Bradford, m Hannah Painter, dau of Samuel and Esther Painter, 6, 6m 1782 at Birmingham MH. > > Sandra