A kind member sent this article on the work going on to save the Caln MH... Thanks Mary Ann! S. http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20130408_Work_under_way_revive_historic_Caln_Quaker_meeting_house.html Sent from Sandra's iPod ????

From this morning's Philadelphia Inquirer. Enjoy Mary Ann http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20130408_Work_under_way_revive_historic_Caln_Quaker_meeting_house.html

(An answer to a query) Wills: Bucks Co.....page 122. William Huston, of Warminster, Weaver. May 5, 1781. Proved June 28, 1781.Wife Mary. Son John, exr. Sons Alexander, John and Mathew. Daus. Margaret and Sarah Huston.Wit: John Ramsey, Jno. Horner, James Horner. Bucks Co...Page 133. Jane Huston of Warwick. May 18, 1779. Proved September 25, 1781. Son Robert Mearns and Dau. Mary Mearns, exrs. Sons Hugh Mearns, William and John Thompson and Thomas Huston. Son William Smith and Dau. Agnes. Wit: Wm. Ramsey, John Huston. Bucks Co...Page 71. William Satterthwaite of Lower Makefield, yeoman. August 30, 1786. Proved February 8, 1788."Far advanced in years." Wife Pleasant. Son William and Samson Cary and Daniel Wharton exrs. Daus. Esther Worstall, Ann Erewagen, Sarah Mitchel and Mary Ball. Gdch. William, Thomas, Robert and Ann Huston ch. of dau. Pleasant December'd. Son-in- law Robert Huton. Gddau. Ann Buly. Dau. Sarah Mitchell's dau. Hannah. Land where James Worstall lives. Land in Parish of St. Martins London. Land Purchased of Samuel Cary. (Vary?) John Palmer and Daniel West. Wits: Richard Neeld, Nathaniel Price Junr.,William Bayly. - Bucks Co.Page 427. Jane Philpot, single woman, Newtown. September 9, 1794. Proved February 21, 1795.Niece Mary Torbert exttx. Sister Mary Torbert's ch., viz.: John Torbert,Jane Burrows, Ann Burrows, William Torbert, Samuel Torbert and Phebe McNair. Sister Phebe Huston and her two daus. Elizabeth Spear and Jane Huston. Wits: Samuel Torbert, Is. Huddleson. I'm sending these along, in case there are clues for you....I'd be fairly sure, though, that they were part of the same family, for Huston is rather unusual, I think. Bucks Co?Page 394. Henry Huston, New Britain Twp. March 22, 1820. Proved March 30, 1820. Sons David and Abraham exrs. Wife Catharine _ of profit of plantation lately purchased until sold, and interest of $800 out of proceeds of sale of plantation whereon I live. 5 ch. John, David and Abraham Huston, Barbara Shelly and Elizabeth Fritz.Wits: Abraham Herman and Isaac Chester Co TAYLOR, RICHARD. Kennett, yeoman.August 21, 1744. November 17, 1744. B.171.Provides for wife Eleanor including plantation in Kennett during widowhood or until sons are 21. To sons John and Joseph when 21 the above plantation they paying legacies to daughters Sarah and Hannah and another child yet unborn. Executrix: wife Eleanor. John Marshall and Saml. Seller, overseers. Witnesses: John Brinton, John Jones, Jos. Harlan. March 27, 1747. By inter marriage of Eleanor the widow to Thomas Huston her executorship terminated and letters were granted toJohn Marshall and Saml. Sellers. HUSTON, HENRY. West Caln.September 23, 1760. October 1, 1760.To brother Levenees Huston 1/2 of estate and wearing apparel. To sisters Jennet and Frances the other 1/2 of estate who are now in Ireland. Executors: John Kinkead, Sr. and JohnFleming.Letters to Fleming, the other renouncing.Witnesses: William Fleming. Sandra Sent from Sandra's iPod ???? " I think my family lived in Bucks Co "

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~paxson/graphics-pax/mtghse_notpa.html#Delaware Sent from Sandra's iPod ????

Another Kerns possibility is Benj. Kerns, who was licensed to run a Publichouse in East Bradford. Sent from Sandra's iPod ???? On Mar 14, 2013, at 12:50 PM, The Vilgas <thevilgas@yahoo.com> wrote: > I am searching for the family of Sarah Kerns (b abt 1802 Chester County, PA - d ? Moberly, MO). She was married to Uriah Cooper and resided with him in West Fallowfield, PA in the 1830 US census. After looking in the Chester County area I have come across two families that might be a viable link but I am currently at a loss. The first was the William Kerns family of East Marlborough. The second is the James Kerns family of East Fallowfield. It could be one of these (or neither). Her husband, Uriah Cooper grew up in New Garden, PA so I tried to limit my searching to adjoining townships. Any help linking me to Sarah's family would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Paul Vilga > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am searching for the family of Sarah Kerns (b abt 1802 Chester County, PA - d ? Moberly, MO). She was married to Uriah Cooper and resided with him in West Fallowfield, PA in the 1830 US census. After looking in the Chester County area I have come across two families that might be a viable link but I am currently at a loss. The first was the William Kerns family of East Marlborough. The second is the James Kerns family of East Fallowfield. It could be one of these (or neither). Her husband, Uriah Cooper grew up in New Garden, PA so I tried to limit my searching to adjoining townships. Any help linking me to Sarah's family would be greatly appreciated.   Thanks, Paul Vilga 

Searching for the death date & burial location for Oran W. Brownback. Oran was born 20 Aug 1852 in East Vincent Twp., s/o Edward & Hannah (Peterman) Brownback. He was baptised as an adult at Phoenixville Methodist Church on 25 Feb 1877 by Rev. Dyson. He was in the 1880 Census with wife Ella in Phoenixville. And on the Phoenixville 1890 tax list. In an 1893 bio of his father Edward, Oran is listed as deceased. Oran had 1 daughter that I know of, Reba, who was living with her aunt & uncle, George & Maggie (Brownback) Orr, in Philadelphia in 1900. Sharon snkgenealogy@hotmail.com

This is an interesting article on Spanish involvement in the ARW...... who knew? Sandra http://www.genealogyforum.com/gfaol/resource/Hispanic/SpainAmRev.htm Sent from Sandra's iPod ????

I'm including a site that explains Julian calendar and the differences the Quakers used. . The Quakers followed the English Julian practice with one exception. They objected to using the names of days and months that came from pagan gods, and they substituted numbers. Thus, Sunday was called 1st day. This is Quaker dating. Sandra http://www.swarthmore.edu/academics/friends-historical-library/quaker-meeting-records/quaker-calendar.xml Sent from Sandra's iPod ????

Dora, I am sorry I did not explain better. There is NO "Quaker dating system". They use the same calender as every one else. The ONLY difference is that they do not use names for days or months. only numbers. The difference in calenders is that the Julian calender was used before 1752 and then it was changed to the Gregorian calender which we still use today. There are lots of web sites to explain why this change took place. Nancy Nancy

http://ncgenweb.us/nc/perquimans/quaker-calendar/ QUAKER CALENDAR By Susan C. Griffin on November 4th, 2012 THE QUAKER CALENDAR The following information was reproduced from The Quaker Library Guide 6 Many users of Quaker records find that the way in which Quakers dated letters, minutes and other documents, particularly before 1752, poses problems. THE ENGLISH YEAR before and after 31 December 1751 Up to and including 1751 the Julian calendar was used in England, Wales, Ireland and the British colonies overseas. In these places the year officially began on 25 March (Lady Day) and ended on the following 24 March. So, confusingly to us, 24 March 1750 was followed the next day by 25 March 1751. With 1752 the law changed: “Chesterfield’s Act” (24 Geo II c.23), passed the previous year, laid down that in future the English year would begin on 1 January. Thus the year 1751 began on 25 March 1751 and ended on 31 December 1751, which was immediately followed by 1 January 1752. In Europe and in Scotland a different calendar (the Gregorian) had superseded the Julian calendar, with a year which did begin on 1 January. There is a further difference (related to leap years) between the Julian and Gregorian calendars, which meant that by 1752 the Julian calendar was twelve days behind the Gregorian one. Chesterfield’s Act had therefore laid down that, in 1752, 2 September should be followed by 14 September. (For a fuller account, see C.R.Cheney, ed., Handbook of dates for students of English history, Royal Historical Society, 1948.) QUAKER USAGE Quakers followed the national practice, with one exception. They objected to using those names of days (Sunday to Saturday) and months (January to August) which derived from heathen gods or goddesses, employing instead numbers: thus Sunday was for them First Day. They had no difficulty (until 1752 – see below) with the months September to December, which derived from numbers; but for the other months, they substituted numbers, writing them out as First Month, Second Month, and so on. They sometimes used Roman numerals (i-xii) for these, and sometimes Arabic (1-12). The problem for the modern reader is remembering that the year did not begin on 1 January until 1752, so that until 1752 February was Twelfth Month and March First Month for Quakers. Furthermore the months September to December were literally (in translation from the Latin) Seventh Month to Tenth Month, and therefore those names could truthfully be used. But once the year began in January, this was no longer the case, and so from 1752 all months were referred to by Quakers by their number. September became Ninth Month, which it now was, and so on. It is often helpful, in making notes from Quaker manuscripts, printed works, and digest registers of births, marriages and burials, to write down the old style numbers as in the original text, but add the new style names after in square brackets, such as: 29 ii [April] 1731 or 29 2 mo. [April] 1731 12 x [December] 1740 or 12 10 mo. [December] 1740 On Mar 10, 2013, at 9:53 PM, nljohn@sysmatrix.net wrote: > Dora, I am sorry I did not explain better. There is NO "Quaker > dating system". They use the same calender as every one else. > The ONLY difference is that they do not use names for days or months. > only numbers. > > The difference in calenders is that the Julian calender was used > before 1752 and then it was changed to the Gregorian calender which > we still use today. There are lots of web sites to explain why this > change took place. > > Nancy > > Nancy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The 11 month in 1803 was November, just like now. Before 1752 when the calendar was changed the 11 month was January. Nancy

There are often indirect sources of information about birth. You should have seen me solving the mystery of Ezra Thompson's parents. See, when his mother died in or of childbirth, her death was entered in the local meeting records but his birth was not. His father then withdrew and wasn't even seen at his siblings' marriages for years. You know exactly who attended a Quaker wedding. I think all I found in the way of a death record was the grave record. Census and grave record say he was born in 1804. I had to do a bunch of tracking down and call up an elderly rural Quaker whose home I think still has a cast iron stove to learn what the grave record said. On the property may he appears to have gotten a share of the land of his suspect father along with the suspect siblings with the same amount of their fathers' land on either side of him. Tax records show the land the father previously rented out was transferred to Ezra Thompson. No deed of course. I don't know, maybe the father would have had to formally speak to someone in order to formally transfer the land. Now, the suspect father's first wife died in 1803, and he married again in 1806, and they had a daughter. But the date was a Quaker date, and like all Quaker dates it was mangled every which way from Thursday. One way has the mother dying early in the 11th month, 1803. That would be January or September depending on which dyslexic contributed to it how. But who do you know who ever gets the year right on January 3, and Quakers most likely never made up their mind which calendar year it was in January and February. So I think Ezra was born in January 1804 and that's really when his mother died. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Sandra Ferguson Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 10:57 AM To: Sue ; PaOldCh Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Searching for birth record Unfortunately, there are no birth records kept at the county or state level till a few years later. Church records are your best bet. Also, a death certificate should contain his birth date, place, and parents names. Sent from Sandra's iPod ???? > Frederick Christian Erbele b.1890 to Jacob Erbele and Marie Bohmler ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Unfortunately, there are no birth records kept at the county or state level till a few years later. Church records are your best bet. Also, a death certificate should contain his birth date, place, and parents names. Sent from Sandra's iPod ???? > Frederick Christian Erbele b.1890 to Jacob Erbele and Marie Bohmler

Frederick Christian Erbele b.1890 to Jacob Erbele and Marie Bohmler who resided in Spring City, PA Thanks Sue Erbele

Sharon Not sure of all of this but for what it's worth I have these? three girls as the first three children of Gerhard Brunbach (1662-1757) and Mary Rittenhouse Papen (1695-1757) ( followed by Benjamin, Henry, and Catherine. My names and dates are a little different. I have Elizabeth b.1723 in Germantown, d. 11/12/1823, m. to Richard Custer. Second daughter, Mary Magdalena Brunbach/Brownback (1729-1776), m.Fred Bingamanin 1753 acccording to Brownback Church records by Rev. Frederick Miller. Third child I have as Anna Brunbach/ Brownback (1730-?), Vincent Twp., Chester County at French Creek/ Royal Springs, m. Paul Benner 1752. Paul (1726 Germany-6/10/1783 Vincent Twp.). Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Sharon Kleinstuber <snkgenealogy@hotmail.com> To: mailing list Chester County <pacheste@rootsweb.com>, Chester County old <pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 03:16:31 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [PaOldC] Brownback - Custer - Bingaman - Benner Searching for death & burial info for Elizabeth Brownback, b: @ 1723 & m: 1748 to Richard Custer; Magdalena Brownback, b: @ 1726 & m: @ 1753 to Frederick Bingaman; & Mary Brownback, b: @ 1726 & m: @ 1756 to Paul Benner. Sharon snkgenealogy@hotmail.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I also found this in records of theEast Vincent Congregation: Feb 27, 1765.... Johannes, son of Johannes Benner, who may be who you refer to as John Benner. (The date is thought to be a baptism). Sandra Sent from Sandra's iPod ???? > > > > > Searching for death & burial info for Elizabeth Brownback, b: @ 1723 & m: 1748 to Richard Custer; Magdalena Brownback, b: @ 1726 & m: @ 1753 to Frederick Bingaman; & Mary Brownback, b: @ 1726 & m: @ 1756 to Paul Benner.

Searching for death & burial info for Elizabeth Brownback, b: @ 1723 & m: 1748 to Richard Custer; Magdalena Brownback, b: @ 1726 & m: @ 1753 to Frederick Bingaman; & Mary Brownback, b: @ 1726 & m: @ 1756 to Paul Benner. Sharon snkgenealogy@hotmail.com

None in the New Market....lots of Stalkers in the Bradford meeting records but no Hugh or Penn. I found this in the Goshen records; Stalker, Thomas, son of Hugh of East Caln, m 1749.4.1 Grace Thomas at Uwchlan >From IMMIGRATION OF THE IRISH QUAKERS TO PA 1652-1750; Rebecca Parke b 11m 22, 1696, at Ballintrain; m Hugh Stalker. Came over on the Sizargh with Thomas Parke. Rebecca's siblings are Mary, Robert , Susanna, Rachel, Jean, Thomas, Abel, Jonathan, Elizabeth.....all born in Ireland. Not all married and not all came to the New World. There is no mention in this book of Penn Stalker.....sorry. Sandra (there is a good deal more on the family in this book, by Myers.) Quaker marriages New Garden MM or Vol I Quaker Records of BradfordMM 1704-1799. Hugh Stalker marrys Rebecca Parke either in Ireland or PA. They have been reported immigrating together, maybe already married from Ireland with Rebecca's father, Thomas Parke 1724. Would love to know if Hugh's father is present or a witness to the marriage. His name is Penn Stalker.

I'm not sure why the deed does not show up in the CC Recorder of Deeds online index. I got a copy from the CC Archives, who wrote me that it was K-15, pg 187. However, that does not match the online index. I know it is page 187 (the page number is very clear on the copy of the deed), but the book number may be incorrect - or the index may be incorrect. I also know that my grandfather no longer owned the property by 1930, but can find no sale of the property in the online index. It is possible the sale was never recorded; or he lost the property to foreclosure or sherriff sale. Sharon > Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:21:27 -0500 > Subject: Re: [PACHESTE] [PaOldC] Mosesville > From: wwmclean@comcast.net > To: pacheste@rootsweb.com; snkgenealogy@hotmail.com; smedley.george@att.net; pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com > > I searched the Recorder of Deeds website. I do not see a deed from > McKinley to Schmehl. The Schmehls owned many parcels in East Pikeland, > but I do not see any in West. > > On 2/23/13 12:57 PM, "Mary Walsh" <maryewalsh@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > >Sharon, > >This is interesting to me as well. I lived not too far from that area > >but never heard of Mosesville. I found an 1883 online map of West > >Pikeland that may help. There are a few parcels of land that are near > >the Pikeland Station that were owned by the Pennypacker family. > >http://ancestortracks.com/ChesterCo1883BreausFarmAtlas/WestPikeland.jpg > > > >> From: bfosnocht@charter.net > >> To: snkgenealogy@hotmail.com; smedley.george@att.net; > >>pacheste@rootsweb.com; pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com > >> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 11:17:34 -0500 > >> Subject: Re: [PACHESTE] [PaOldC] Mosesville > >> > >> Sharon, > >> > >> >From your description of the property, I'd say it was pretty close to > >>a > >> place called Old Mill Race Wines. > >> > >> Paste this into Google Maps: > >> > >> Old Mill Race Wines, 1439 Clover Mill Rd, Chester Springs, PA 19425 > >> > >> This business would have had some reason for choosing this name, and > >>the > >> Pickering Creek is not far north of their location. Their "Olde Mill > >>Race" > >> could well be the mill race on the property you seek. > >> > >> I suggest further that you see if Chester County deeds are online, or > >>maybe > >> you already have the metes and bounds of the property. Read this > >>carefully > >> for some definitive boundary feature that can be located on a current > >>map. > >> There might be a clue in this property description, or that of a > >>neighboring > >> property owner, that would exactly locate your property. > >> > >> If you zoom out to about halfway on the Google map in "Map View", you > >>can > >> see some faint gray lines. These are the outlines of the current > >>properties. > >> > >> If you were to use one of the free deed plotting software programs, you > >> could plot your deed to get the shape of the property and compare it > >>with > >> those you can see on the Google map. > >> > >> It's not easy, but I have done this sort of thing with properties in > >> Lancaster County. Email me directly if you wish further advice. > >> > >> Bruce Fosnocht > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Sharon Kleinstuber" <snkgenealogy@hotmail.com> > >> To: <smedley.george@att.net>; "mailing list Chester County" > >> <pacheste@rootsweb.com>; "Chester County old" > >><pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:06 AM > >> Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Mosesville > >> > >> > >> > > >> > Thank you George. My grandfather, Harry A. Schmehl (1896-1959), > >>purchased > >> > property in 1918 in "Mosesville, West Pikeland Twp., Chester Co., PA" > >>from > >> > William W. McKinley & wife Mary. This property contained 3 acres, > >>112 > >> > perches & included "messauges, tenements, store house, wheelwright, & > >> > blacksmith shop". It also included the "right & privilege of the > >>full > >> > enjoyment of the water of Pickering Creek by means of the dam & the > >>mill > >> > race on the land". The deed says this property, owned by McKinley, > >>was > >> > purchased from United Graphite Co., who purchased it from Moses > >>Moses, who > >> > purchased it from Daniel Pennypacker. It also says it was formerly > >>lots 1 > >> > & 2 of the real estate of Harman Pennypacker, deceased. I am > >>somewhat > >> > familiar with West Pikeland Twp., but had not heard of Mosesville. I > >>am > >> > trying to figure out approximately where this property my grandfather > >>once > >> > owned is located. Sharon snkgenealogy@hotmail.com > >> > > From: smedley.george@att.net > >> >> To: snkgenealogy@hotmail.com; pacheste@rootsweb.com; > >> >> pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com > >> >> Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Mosesville > >> >> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 14:13:08 +0000 > >> >> > >> >> It was an actual place > >> >> #2198 ESTHER ANN KING > >>(Hannah,Edith,Esther,Sarah,George),b.Thornton,3- > >> >> 22-1821;m.Goshen Twp.,1840,Nathan Pennypacker,b.West Pikeland Twp.,5- > >> >> 25-1817;d.10-4-1877;buried Lionville Lutheran Cemetery;son of Harmon > >> >> Pennypacker and Anna Showalter,of West Pikeland.He learned the > >>milling > >> >> business and carried on the mill at Mosesville,Chester Co.,a few > >>years; > >> >> then > >> >> bought his father's farm,but afterward sold this to his mother and > >> >> purchased > >> >> one in Upper Uwchlan.His death occurred in a railroad disaster,on the > >> >> Pickering Valley R.R.,when returning from a large gathering of the > >> >> Pennypacker family.His widow's address,Anselma,Pa > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Sharon Kleinstuber" <snkgenealogy@hotmail.com> > >> >> To: "mailing list Chester County" <pacheste@rootsweb.com>; "Chester > >> >> County > >> >> old" <pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com> > >> >> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 23:46 PM > >> >> Subject: [PaOldC] Mosesville > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Can anyone tell me exactly were Mosesville was located in West > >>Pikeland > >> >> > Twp., Chester Co., PA? > >> >> > > >> >> > ------------------------------- > >> >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >> > PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>without > >> >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>without > >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>PACHESTE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >PACHESTE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >