Hi Jack - Thanks - I have all that info, it's out of one of the History of Del. Co. books (I think Jordan's). :) Lynn

Greetings: Does anyone know if there is any publication for this church's records; the status of the records, or if they have a genaolgist on site you can pay to do record searches? I am needing 1700-1775 records for my "bad" Quakers. JJ Hoskins

Lynn -- I, too, am interested in Thomases. What dates are you looking for? I have two possible Thomas families: one would be relatives (brothers, etc.) of the David (ap) Thomas who died in Philadephia county in 1717/1718, leaving sons Thomas (kept the Thomas surname but had no children), Samson David, Richard David and John David as well as daughters. These children changed the surname to David/Davis. They most likely lived in the Providence area and probably came from Chester County before that. The other Thomas family is that connected to Nancy Thomas who married David Davis in late 1700's in either Berks or Northumberland County. She died between 1830 and 1840 in what was then Mercer county. Thanks for any connection that you may find to your own family! Natalie ndburrows@verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "ltguidetti" <ltguidetti@gmail.com> To: <PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:30 PM Subject: [PaOldC] 1765 Lookup - Thomas? > Sandra - Does your book include what is now Delaware County? This book > sounds like a real prize! Do you have the particulars on it? ( > > I am looking for Thomases that lived in Nether > Providence/Ridley/Middletown > Townships, and also Radnor - Could you please check and see if there are > any > Thomases who lived in those areas? Richard and Benjamin would be the > most > important. Benjamin had a lot of sons but I don't think they were all > born > by then. Maybe Seth/George/Job/Bevan....(there were 8, lol) > > Thanks! > Lynn > > > ==== PA-OLD-CHESTER Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribing. To leave PA-old-chester-l, send mail to > PA-old-chester-l-request@rootsweb.com > with the single word unsubscribe in the message or subject slot." > > NO VIRUS WARNINGS - if you are concerned contact me PERSONALLY > ferg@ntelos.nettp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/pa-old-chester > this site allows you to browse by month.. > > please visit the Chester Co rootsweb site...it is full of area photos, > helpful URLs and lots of county information > http://www.pa-roots.com/~chester/ > > if you have a problem contact ME ferg@ntelos and NOT the list > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

>I believe in one of your earlier messages you stated that you >were interested in a Graham family of Chester County Thanks! This is of much interest to me. You mention that you have transcribed and posted wills. Where can I find these? Does anyone know if there are any good sources of burials and marriages at Pequea Presbyterian? My father's mother was a Graham and consequently my middle name is Graham. Grahams at Pequea are is news to me, I think, and quite interesting as my father's tree also has a number of families at Pequea. I also have found some Grahams married to one of the same families that shows up in my mother's tree, Gilchrist, via Grahams at Paxton Church in Dauphin County PA. There also seems to be a lot of connections to reverends in the Graham, Finley and related families. I think there's a Graham married into my mother's Dill tree also. My great grandfather was William C. Graham of Mars, PA. He had also lived in Colorado where he met his wife Carolyn Clark of a Clark family involved in mining around Cripple Creek. I know the family has roots back to Paxton Church in Dauphin County PA by Harrisburg where we find John Finley Graham married to Margaret Gilchrist. From there back it gets a bit confusing as there are reports that there may be some confusion in the early ancestors specifically with some of the PA and VA branches. I can go into more detail on that some other time. One book I purchased recently, Hazard's Annals of Pennsylvania 1609-1682, covers history of PA up to the point of arrival of Penn's Quakers. I believe I found at least one reference in this to a James Graham that suggested that there may be a Graham line that immigrated before the typical Presbyterian Scotch-Irish waves of immigration in the early 1700s. I need to go back and find this. The book does not show him in the index. The info below may have some innacuracies and unproven info, which is one reason I'm particularly interested in any other early PA Graham lines. I'm also interested in more detail on any of the surnames cited here. Descendants of William Graham: 1 William Graham 1648 - .... +Blanch Ervin 1650 - ........ 2 Christopher Graham 1670 - 1748 .............. +Florence E Brown ................... 3 Margaret Graham 1695 - 1780 ................... 3 Asa Graham 1702 - ................... 3 John Graham 1765 - 1811 ........ *2nd Wife of Christopher Graham: .............. +Margaret Florence Risk 1680 - 1761 ................... 3 William Graham 1702 - ......................... +Susannah Miller ------> see children Hugh & Mary below ................... 3 Robert Graham - 1779 ................... 3 Rebecca Jane Graham 1720 - 1813 ................... 3 John Graham 1700 - 1771 ................... 3 Robert Graham 1712 - 1763 ......................... +Mary Craig ................... *2nd Wife of Robert Graham: ......................... +Jane Hicklin 1723 - 1805 ............................. 4 Christopher Graham 1755 - 1841 ............................. 4 Rebecca Graham 1742 - 1814 ............................. 4 Thomas Graham 1725 - 1798 ............................. 4 Elizabeth Graham 1743 - ............................. 4 Margaret Graham 1745 - ............................. 4 Jane Graham 1744 - ............................. 4 Sarah Graham 1764 - ............................. 4 Rebecca Hemenway 1790 - ............................. 4 Jean Graham ............................. 4 Lancelot Graham ............................. 4 James Graham ............................. 4 Thomas Graham 1747 - 1811 ................... 3 Elizabeth Graham 1720 - 1812 ................... 3 William Graham 1715 - 1749 ................... 3 Jane Graham 1702 - 1780 ................... 3 Archibald Graham 1708 - 1748 ................... 3 Rebecca Graham Wauchope 1697 - The children of the folks below are the part I am interested in, especially with regard to identifying the Susannah Miller because Millers appear in so many other branches of my tree. William Graham 1702 - ......................... +Susannah Miller ............................. 4 Hugh Graham 1745 - 1792 ................................... +Margaret Kennedy 1745 - 1787 ........................................ 5 John Graham ........................................ 5 George Graham ........................................ 5 Robert Finley Graham 1771 - 1840 .............................................. +Margaret Gilchrist - 1839 .................................................. 6 John Kennedy Graham 1815 - 1907 ........................................................ +Eliza Rankin 1827 - 1908 ............................................................. 7 Mary B Graham 1854 - 1869 ............................................................. 7 Sarah J Graham 1855 - ............................................................. 7 Eliza M Graham 1856 - 1866 ............................................................. 7 Samuel A Graham 1860 - 1945 ............................................................. 7 Margaret C Graham 1862 - 1883 .................................................. *2nd Wife of John Kennedy Graham: ........................................................ +Mary Anne Calhoun 1815 - 1852 ............................................................. 7 Unknown Graham - 1850 ............................................................. 7 Robert Graham 1841 - 1850 ............................................................. 7 John Calhoun Graham 1845 - 1884 .............................................................. +Margaret Jane Fleming 1846 - 1924 ............................................ 8 Robert Fleming Graham 1871 - 1934 .................................................. +Mary E Patterson 1875 - 1935 ............................................ 8 Mary C. Graham 1879 - 1897 ............................................ 8 James Brandon Graham 1882 - 1973 ............................................ +Elsie Gehring 1896 - 1992 ............................................ 8 William C. Graham 1873 - 1949 (my line) ................................................ +Carolyn Clark 1881 - 1955 ............................................................. 7 Adly Graham Unknown - .................................................. 6 Thomas Gorrell Graham 1806 - ........................................................ +Susan Gilchrist 1822 - 1848 ............................................................. 7 Robert Finley Graham 1842 - 1899 ................................................................... +Mary Lamb 1847 - 1940 .................................................... 8 Laura Margretta Graham 1869 - 1940 .................................................... 8 Thomas Finley Graham 1871 - 1956 ................................................... 8 Christiana Rose Graham 1873 - ........................................................ +John O Penney ? - 1942 .................................................... 8 Sibyl Irene Graham 1876 - .......................................................... +William Curtis Greenlees - 1927 .................................................... 8 Sarah Berth Graham 1881 - .................................................... 8 Mary Amanda Graham 1885 - 1941 ............................................................. 7 Maria Graham 1845 - ............................................................. 7 Susan Graham 1845 - 1870 ................................................................... +David Henry .................................................... 8 Susan Henry 1870 - ......................................................... +George Morris .................................................. *2nd Wife of Thomas Gorrell Graham: ........................................................ +Sibyl Lincoln 1812 - ............................................................. 7 Amanda Graham ............................. 4 Mary Graham Unknown - ................................... +Samuel Finley -----Original Message----- Hi Mal, I believe in one of your earlier messages you stated that yoou were interested in a Graham family of Chester County. I have been trying to sort out the families with a modicum of sucess for the one I am descended from: James (1700-1783) and Mary c 1705-1811) Graham. They are buried in the Old Pequea Church graveyard in Salisbury township of Lancaster County - close to HoneyBrook in Chester County. Many of their descendants are buried near to them. I have transcribed and posted their Wills as well as those of James' sister Jennet McConnaughy and his own daughter Mary Darlington. Many pre WWII HoneyBrook families could trace back to this couple - perhaps the same is true today. Jennet McConnaughy names as brothers: James, Arthur, and Jared. I do not know whether Jarrett/Jared Graham of Lancaster County is the Jared named by Jennet as brother -- his age and arrival in the area do seem to point in that direction.

This is it #291 THOMAS SHELDON (Mary,Thomas,Thomas,George),b.6-24-1780;d.12-19-1858;m.12-21-1847,Sarah Jane Tomb,b.6-24-1805;dau.of Richardson and Martha Tomb.No issue.He devised to his wife all his personal property and a life interest in the real estate,in Marple,subject to the maintenance of his brother Daniel.After his wife's death the real estate was to pass to his sister Hannah Harlan,paying his half brothers, Jonathan and William Sheldon,$500 each.Levi and Hannah Harlan conveyed the land ,113 3/4 acres,to Isaac Briggs and Sarah C,his wife,April 3, 1866,subject to a mortgage to secure the interest on$8333 to Sarah J Sheldon during life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erin Peck" <clubpeck@sprintmail.com> To: <PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 7:24 PM Subject: [PaOldC] > George, > > > > Do you have any information regarding Sarah Jane Tomb and her family? > > > > > > 291 Thomas,b.6-24-1780;d.12-19-1858;m.Sarah Jane Tomb. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Erin > > > > > > > > ==== PA-OLD-CHESTER Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribing. To leave PA-old-chester-l, send mail to > PA-old-chester-l-request@rootsweb.com > with the single word unsubscribe in the message or subject slot." > > > NO VIRUS WARNINGS - if you are concerned contact me PERSONALLY > ferg@ntelos.net > > please visit the Chester Co rootsweb site...it is full of area photos, > helpful URLs and lots of county information > http://www.pa-roots.com/~chester/ > > Visit the archives for this list to view old postings > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=PA-OLD-CHESTER > If you have ANY problems, do not send them to the list > contact me personally....list manager ferg@ntelos.net > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

I could find nothing under Andrew, but I saw your old post from a few years back suggesting Andree as an alternate. So far most of the names I've seen associated with St. Vincent Reformed have been German. From recent searches there on Rossiter and related lines I recall that there was also another related church from some kind fo split in the congregation and it may be worth looking at the other chruch also. I forget the specifics but someone here was looking extensively at St. Vincent records recently. One web search on Adam Andree turned up <http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/customsearchresults.asp?batch_number =C982701&region=8&LDS=1&record_group=1> The list is international, but shows a number of German Andree families and other variations on that. It's not much help, but could offer some clues to name variations and roots of related German families or leads to related immigrants. The one I find interesting there is GOERG ADAM ANDREE, born 1753 - not a fit for yours, but it's a reminder of the German naming conventions where a Christian first name may be used for christening but the individual may not use that name for any other use than formal and may have been known as Adam Andree. So it's worth considering that Adam may not be his first name in Christening records. Andrea and Adreas seem to be other spelling variants not mentioned in your previous posting on this a few years ago where you suggested a Jacob Andrew may be the father. Here is a ship record that shows an Matthias Andreas that died on the voyage, possibly leaving a wife and children arriving. http://www.immigrantships.net/1700/friendship271016.html Ship Friendship, from Rotterdam, last from Cowes, Arrived Philadelphia, 16 October 1727. John Davis, Master "Many ships are only listed with men, yet many came with their wives, children, sister, etc, but these names were either not recorded or not saved. " It's too early for the birth of your Adam but could account for his father as a child on this voyage. It's worth looking for related surnames here that may appear in other records near your family, for example, if these families known to have been associated with St. Vincent: It's not much to go on, but when you're looking at a brick wall for years any new ways of looking at the problem can help. So let's see what we can find on Adam Andreas. This will reference below seems likely to be an Adam Andreas Myer, but it's one of the only references in wills I could find that comes close: MEYER, TABITHA. N. Liberties. City of Phila. Widow. January 9, 1771. July 21, 1785. T.171. Children: Adam Andreas, Ann Thatcher [Wife of Joseph Thatcher], Thomas. Exec, Guardians and Trustees: Brother John Drinker, Thomas Say. Wit: John Gill, Dennis McCrohen, Peter Thomson. I'd be inclined to think the Adam Andreas here is a Myer but perhaps Tabitha remarried. Looking back at the ship records of the Matthias Andreas I cited we find Christian Meyer and Johann Vincens Meyer. It's a long shot, but it's plausible scenario that Adam Andreas is a grandson of Matthias and that his mother remarried a Myer family that was close via ships pasage and settlement. Looking for for an Andreas finds what looks like one of the best leads yet: Church: MARRIAGE RECORD OF THE REFORMED CHURCH, FALKNER SWAMP, MONTGOMERY COUNTRY, PA. 1748-1800. Pennsylvania Archives, Second Series, Volume 8. <http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/pafiles.htm> <http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/1pa/paarchivesseries/series2/vol8/paar ch2-8toc.html> MARRIAGE RECORD OF THE REFORMED CHURCH FALKNER SWAMP, MONTGOMERY COUNTRY, PA. 1748-1800. [613] 1783, June 24, Ache, Cathrina, and Adam Andreas. Does that look like a good fit for your Adam and Catherine? The LDS IGI record for this suggests she was born 1762 (does <1762> mean its an estimated date?) but doesn't have any birth year associated for Adam. <http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/individual_record.asp?recid=1000 44601379&lds=1&region=11&regionfriendly=&juris1=&juris2=&juris3=&juris4=&reg ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly=&juris4friendly= > Hmm, somehow I suspect that link won't work. :^) A Google search on "Cathrina Ache" will get you there easily and also find the proper link for the marriage record in PA Archives. I hope that is of some help. I like a good mystery. Half the fun about the Internet for me is figuring out how to find the needles in the haystacks. As an aside, I haven't noticed IGI search results showing up in Google before, and it appears that at least some of the records are probably inadverently indexed in Google via some Google crawls of www.familysearch.org. That's probably good news, and doing custom Google searches with the domain name may help. I can't say I recall searches coming back with pages in familysearch.org at all before, really. I tend to find IGI results not terribly helpful as they typically are vague citations, at least when I've had them come up in Ancestry.com. I am pleased to see the results above point to an IGI search system I hadn't seen before: <http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_ IGI.asp&clear_form=true> What looks very helpful about the IGI search tool here is: 1) the regional searching and optional pairing of spouse surnames 2) The search results are a quick way to find SOUNDEX alternate name spelling variants 3) Possible family clusters can be found if you look at results carefully by analyzing location and date ranges. I just wish it would allow searches by surname pairs only, and broader date ranges or a sort by date so it's easier to look for larger ranges and not only specific individuals. Most of the genealogical search systems I see don't allow a flexible pairing of names and locations beyond one surname. The major sites front end to many databases and it can be annoyingly hard to filter down to quality results quickly. One of the things I love about the WorldConnect Search <http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi> is the ability to pair surnames only, and/or names of places and date ranges. It's a great way to find other marriages between the same family, or possible siblings or parents who died or were born in the same county, state or time range. It's also notoriously bad for data often repeated many times because it's drawn from use submitted GEDCOM files. But let's try Cathrina there for more leads. Here's a possible sibling of Cathrina Ache: <http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=schwenk&id=I0852 87> # Name: Ludwig \ Lewis Ache # Sex: M # Birth: 27 MAR 1762 # Death: 11 DEC 1844 in Northampton Co, PA - buried Lower Saucon Ch Cem Marriage 1 Maria Brodt b: 25 SEP 1766 in Northampton Co, PA Click on the Descendants link to see a quick tree of surnames that marry into the family in the next generations: <http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=DESC&db=schwenk&id=I085 287> Compare that to known descendants of your Adam and Cathrine Andrew. If your family migrated look at some of the locations these people migrated to. Sometimes the same person may be listed many times and different researchers have different branches of the tree. Still, it's a great way to find leads. Few of the Worldconnect trees have much documentation, but sometimes you get lucky and find incredibly well researched, cited trees with extensive notes. Here's one of the well documented Ache lines there, with a Catherine born too late to be yours, but this has some interesting possible leads on the Ache families: <http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jemclean&id=I921 > # Name: Johan Ludwig ACHE # Sex: M # Birth: 26 MAR 1728 in Eisleben,Saxony,,Germany # Death: 6 FEB 1808 in German Twp,Fayette,PA,USA # Note: !BIRTH: Family Bible records from Pat Frappier. Enc 244; Circa 1721, Normandie. Al Horning records, pg 21. Enc 267; Eisleben, Pagerland, E. Germany. Elaine Ache TAKAHASHI. GEDCOM file; !MARRIAGE: First mg. from 1992 IGI (submitted by patron). No Enc; Early Lutheran Baptisms & Marriages in Southeastern PA. Records of Rev. John Casper Stoever from 1730-1779, pg 64. Enc 268; Second mg. from Family Bible records from Pat Frappier. Enc 244; First & Second Mg. (Anna & Elizabeth). Al Horning records, pg 21. Enc 267; !CHILDREN: History of the Juniata & Susquehanna Valleys in PA, pg 767.Enc242; Father of Johann Henrich, Host Church records, Tulpehocken Twp. Berks, PA from Guss (Family History Book) pg 238, SLC FHC 929.273 G973A. Enc 300; !DEATH: Family Bible records from Pat Frappier. Enc 244; His will dated 8 Jan, 1807. Fayette Co. PA wills, bk 1 pg 370. Film #0861066. Enc 245; !BURIAL: Buried on the family farm, later called Ache/Cover Cemetery, from Jonathon Walters. !NOTE: One of three brothers, who were French Huguenots. The brothers came to America September 22, 1752. Johan taught school in Philadelphia & then in Vincent, Chester Co. He served in a company against the Indians. He went to Tulpehocken, Berks Co. before 1759, then near Linglestown, Dauphin Co. in 1774 where he died after 1793. History of the Juniata & Susquehanna Valleys in PA, pg 767. Enc 242; Johann Ludwig, Hermannus & Johannes Jacob ACHE all arrived on the ship Halifax, on Sep 22, 1752. No ages or relationships are given. Ship records in PA German Pioneers, pg. 483-484. Enc 289; A short story about him is found in Al HORNING records pg 14 & 22-25. Enc 267; !FAMILY: He may have had a brother, Hermanus, who later became known as Henry. Henry lived in Heidelberg Twp, some six miles east of Lebanon. He died in 1786. His children and grandchildren are found in Al Horning records, pg 24-25. Enc 267; So, maybe Cathrina is related to these folks: "Johann Ludwig, Hermannus & Johannes Jacob ACHE all arrived on the ship Halifax, on Sep 22, 1752" Back to search techniques, one reason I am willing and happy to spend some time looking at dead ends like this is because it forces me to try different methods to find results. I'm constantly trying to refine various methodologies for finding leads and documentation. I'd like to outline a bit more of some of the search methods I use. I let this reply become a "thinking out loud" that shows the process that got me to the marriage records of Cathrina Ache and Adam Andreas as a result starting from Catherine and Adam Andrew. I have a lot of books and am often buying more but I tend to use them little as references because I spend all day on a couch in front of the PC. I work from home running an Internet based business (selling Oggz novelty LED lamps) and this gives me a lot of free time to distract myself from work. Some people smoke, drink, or eat. I breathe and live for the Internet and have been using the Web for 13 years now. To me, Google is the key to unlocking the Internet and the world. It's a dynamic company that keeps coming up with innovative products that are free. Google searches for info, products, maps... Everything tends to start with Google for me, from reading news to looking for those needles in haystacks, or shopping from home. I highly recommend Google Desktop. This indexes all web pages you browse and files you save on your PC. It will also index GEDCOM files on your PC though the results are hard to read. At least it can point you to GEDCOM files on your system that reference a name. Using Google Desktop, the more you browse online on genealogy sites, particlurly sites with indexes of names like tax lists, manuscript archives and such, the easier it is to find this info again on your own PC in future searches. Also it's great for finding things in email. I've also taken to downloading any useful looking electronic books I can find when possible as the full text indexing of these books may find results not listed in book indexes. I find in general the Google results don't tend to bring back genealogy sites high in results. Also, I find Ancestry.com a great resrouce but hard to justify the cost of. When I got a Family TRee Maker 2006 upgrade I looked at the various versions and found that one that sold for $45 included a 6 month free trial at Ancestry. That's an excellent value and the FTM software is much better and easier to use than it was when I bought a copy about 4 years ago. The ease of searching online through your own tree to Ancestry's data makes it well worth it, and the access to census records and ability to view and download the actual original census pages has more than paid for the cost of the software. Particularly once you get to 1850 and beyond where you can see the birth state or country listed for all family members on the census forms, and browsing neighbors on census pages nearby has also helped me some.

>Need help locating the specifics regarding a Phila Townsend, born 15 >May 1751 and died 15 Jan 1820. Husband was Samuel Merritt. May have >been of the Townsends in Chester, or Bucks County. Samuel Merritt seems to have been born and died in NY. Phila is buried in Old Town cemetary in New Burg, NY. I'm curious where the birth and death dates come from as there is a Phila Townsend who appears a possible fit but there are some things that don't match. Do you have specific reason to think there is a Chester County connection? The only clue I can find leading to PA other than the curious name is an entry for another NY family that looks like a good lead, sourced from a book found in Ancestry.com: 'A Hallock genealogy : an attempt to tabulate and set in order the numerous descendants of Peter Hallock who landed at Southold' "James Hallock, Preacher" married Elizabeth Townsend, born 1760 to Nicholas and Philadelphia Townsend of Cornwall NY. Per this reference Philadelphia Townsend was cited as having a maiden name of Doughty, who was "the granddaughter of Philadelphia Masters, the first white girl born in Philadelphia, PA." So it seems plausible that Phila Townsend was a sister of Elizabeth Townsend Hallock and that you're looking for Nicholas Townsend & Philadelphia Doughty of Cornwall, NY and more documentation on that family to prove the connection. Then again it seems very possible there is yet another Philadelphia Townsend in that era given some of the confusing and conflicting info I found. Before I get into this let me say that WorldConnect system I sourced links and info from below uses user submitted data that tends to be highly inaccurate and often doesn't cite sources. That said, it's a great place to look for leads and the powerful search engine lets you pair surnames to surnames, locations and dates to come up with good leads for siblings, parents and so on. But take any info found there as unconfirmed if sources aren't and if they are cited I'd suggest checking them anyway. These trees tend to spread mistakes like viruses and few have solid documentation. Here's a link that shows the line from Masters to Doughty: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2893127&id=I5367 Then to confuse things further there's a Merritt tree here that shows what appears to be your Samuel Merritt and lists a Phila Townsend married to his brother Humphrey: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=DESC&db=:a17882&id=I352 That conflicts with this version of the tree that shows a different wife for Humphrey: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jch00&id=I09484 Here's a tree that shows Nicolas Townsend and the 2 generations of Townsends before him. That tree lists a daughter as Mary Philadelphia Townsend but shows her as married to a William Cock. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=420angel&id=I3561 39 There's a few trees that show Phildelphia Townsend as married to William Cock and her sister Hannah married to Jacob Cock. Some list Phila's date of birth as 23 SEP 1770, others as 30 JUL 1763. The ones that show marriages of Phila Townsend to the Merritt brothers estimate DOB as closer to their 1737/39 birth dates. There's also an 1830 death date listed for the one married to William Cock on one tree. There's also some suggestions that the Doughty/Townsend marriage didn't happen until 1762 or 1763. Note that there also seems to be some variants between children of Phildelphia Doughty as named Mary Philadelphia or just Phildelphia. So perhaps there could have been two sisters that people have confused. Then there's the possibility that there could be yet another Doughty or Masters descendant that married a Townsend and that there could be yet another Phila Townsend in that era. Looking back at the Doughty trees there is another tree that shows a cousin of Philadelphia Doughty who also married a Townsend that could have had a child in the same era that would also be a grand-daughter of Phildelphia Masters. There are fairly detailed children listed though and no Philadelphia in that line. I lost that link somehow but one of the descendant views I looked at from Hannah Williams or Philadelphia Masters and showed what looked like a first cousin of Phila Doughty married to a Dr. Townsend with children born in 1750's, but no Phila in that particularly line. I wouldn't rule out that there could be yet another undocumented marriage connecting Townsends to the descendants of Masters. This researcher has one of the better documented Townsend lines but sources are not clear: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=DESC&db=maitland-poole&i d=I5386 Navigate up a few generations and look at descendants and you see an overwhelming series of generations of Townsends with many more marriages to the Cock family also: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=DESC&db=maitland-poole&i d=I0642 I suspect somewhere in that Townsend family is your Phila but maybe not documented here or in Woldconnect. I'd try working down from the grandmother as she seems to be the source of the Philadelphia name and the best lead to find any other descendants that may have married into the Townsends. I also wouldn't rule out Phildelphia Doughty as the mother, even if she did marry someone else, and I'd make sure the date info you have for your Phila Townsend are really accurate and try to verify the dates for the daughter of Doughty or any possibility there is a missing child in that tree. At least at some point this was a Quaker family early on and so Quaker records down from the Masters and Williams may be your best bet for good documents. Here's one of the only ones that cites sources on Philadelphia Masters: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=tinzhaven&id=I196 54 # Name: Long Island Genealogies, COMPILED BY MARY POWELL BUNKER, Munsell's Historical Series no. 24., ALBANY, N. Y., JOEL MUNSELL'S SONS, PUBLISHERS. 1895. # Name: Early Friends Families of Upper Bucks Name: Clarence V. Roberts Name: Originally published Phila, PA 1925 Name: Reprinted Genealogical Publishing Co, Baltimore, MD 1975, 1995, 2000 Name: Library of Congress 75-4008 # Name: History of Bucks County, PA, Volume l & II, Bucks County Genealogies Name: originally prepared under the editorial supervision of Warren S. Ely and John W. Jordan and published as Volume III of "History of Bucks County Pennsylvania, second edition, New York & Chicago, 1905 Name: reprinted by Genealogical Publishing Co, Inc, Baltimore, MD, 1975, 1992, 1994, 1999 # Name: THE HISTORY OF BUCKS COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA. Name: from the discovery of the Delaware to the present time by W. W. H. Davis, A.M., 1876 and 1905 editions Note that another tree here shows discusses conflicting sources for the date of marriage of Hannah Williams and Benjamine Doughty, see: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:1240467&id=I5664 2481 I cc'd Karen McIntyre because she is referenced as also seeking info on Phila Townsend in pages at http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=olney&id=I1275 that details more on the Samuel Merrit's family. Good Luck! One of the reasons I try to avoid citing the WorldConnect trees other than the poor documentation is that I get dizzy trying to compare the various trees.

-----Original Message----- From: jackmorter [mailto:jackmorter@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:36 PM To: 'PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com' Subject: FW: [PaOldC] Inquiry on Wedding Record of William Hoskins and Martha Smith   Smith Quakers Darby PA •  ID: I01671 •  Name: William HOSKINS 1 •  Sex: M •  Death: UNKNOWN Marriage 1 Martha SMITH b: 25 JUL 1745 in Darby Township, Chester County, Pennsylvania • Married: AFT 1 AUG 1764 1 Sources: 1. Title: Early Church Records of Delaware County, Pennsylvania Volume 3 Author: Launey, John Pitts Publication: Family Line Publications, Westminster, Maryland 1997 Note: Includes Darby Monthly Meeting Records Radnor-Haverford-Merion Monthly Meeting Records St. David's Protestant Episcopal Church in Radnor Note: Excellent Repository: Call Number: Media: Book Page: 258 Text: Darby Monthly Meeting: Combined Minutes 3rd da, 12th mo, 1764. Martha (Smith) Hoskins, dau. of William Smith, married out of unity to a man not of our society. 28th da, 3rd mo, 1765. Martha Hoskins, formerly Smith married out of unity, disowned. [William Hoskins and Martha Smith m. by license dated 2 Aug 1764.]     •  ID: I03613 •  Name: Martha SMITH 1 2 •  Sex: F •  Birth: 25 JUL 1745 in Darby Township, Chester County, Pennsylvania 2 •  Death: AFT 26 JUN 1785 Father: William SMITH b: 2 NOV 1722 in Darby, Chester County, Pennsylvania Mother: Hannah DAVIS b: 7 JUL 1724 in Darby Township, Chester County, Pennsylvania Marriage 1 William HOSKINS • Married: AFT 1 AUG 1764 3 Sources: 1. Title: The Wills of Chester County, Pennsylvania, 1778-1800 Author: Family Line Publications Publication: Family Archive CD #209, Introduction to Genealogical Records: Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 Note: Secondary source Note: Secondary Repository: Note: Chester County, Pennsylvania, Probate Court Records Call Number: 209 Media: Genealogy.com Data CD Page: 575 Text: SMITH, WILLIAM. Darby. June 26, 1785. December 1, 1785. Provides for wife Hannah. All remainder to 7 children, Nathaniel, Samuel, Davis, Martha, Rebecca, Sarah and Elizabeth, share and share alike. Executrix: Wife Hannah. Wit: Aaron Ogden, Isaac Hibberd, Jr., John Hibberd. 2. Title: Early Church Records of Delaware County, Pennsylvania Volume 3 Author: Launey, John Pitts Publication: Family Line Publications, Westminster, Maryland 1997 Note: Includes Darby Monthly Meeting Records Radnor-Haverford-Merion Monthly Meeting Records St. David's Protestant Episcopal Church in Radnor Note: Excellent Repository: Call Number: Media: Book Page: 172 Text: William Smith and Hannah (Davis) children: Martha Smith, 25th da, 5th mo, 1745; Rebecca Smith, b. 11th da, 8th mo, 1749; Sarah Smith, b. 21st da, 11th mo, 1752; Nathaniel Smith, b. 7th da, 12th mo, 1755; Lizzie Smith, b. 17th da, 2nd mo, 1759. 3. Title: Early Church Records of Delaware County, Pennsylvania Volume 3 Author: Launey, John Pitts Publication: Family Line Publications, Westminster, Maryland 1997 Note: Includes Darby Monthly Meeting Records Radnor-Haverford-Merion Monthly Meeting Records St. David's Protestant Episcopal Church in Radnor Note: Excellent Repository: Call Number: Media: Book Page: 258 Text: Darby Monthly Meeting: Combined Minutes 3rd da, 12th mo, 1764. Martha (Smith) Hoskins, dau. of William Smith, married out of unity to a man not of our society. 28th da, 3rd mo, 1765. Martha Hoskins, formerly Smith married out of unity, disowned. [William Hoskins and Martha Smith m. by license dated 2 Aug 1764.]     -----Original Message----- From: James Hoskins [mailto:j.j.hoskins@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:14 PM To: PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PaOldC] Inquiry on Wedding Record of William Hoskins and Martha Smith   Greetings:   I need help on a wedding record confirmation.   I have Feb 8, 1764 for the wedding of William Hoskins - son of John Hoskins and Mary ??? and Martha Smith daughter of William Smith and Hannah Davis.   If someone out there has a primary source for this and can verify the date and where the record is at I would be indebted.   The information I have now is secondary and is from the Miller/Booth/Lamb papers from Swathmore college.   JJH     ==== PA-OLD-CHESTER Mailing List ====  Unsubscribing..... To leave PA-old-chester-l, send mail to PA-old-chester-l-request@rootsweb.com with the single word unsubscribe in the message or subject slot."   If you have ANY problems, do not send them to the list contact me personally....list manager ferg@ntelos.net   NO VIRUS WARNINGS...contact me personally   ferg@ntelos.net  if posted you will be unsubscribed   please visit the Chester Co rootsweb site...it is full of area photos,  helpful URLs and lots of county information http://www.pa-roots.com/~chester/   ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

    -----Original Message----- From: ltguidetti [mailto:ltguidetti@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:31 PM To: PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PaOldC] 1765 Lookup - Thomas?   Sandra - Does your book include what is now Delaware County?   This book sounds like a real prize!  Do you have the particulars on it?  (   I am looking for Thomases that lived in Nether Providence/Ridley/Middletown Townships, and also Radnor - Could you please check and see if there are any Thomases who lived in those areas?   Richard and Benjamin would be the most important.   Benjamin had a lot of sons but I don't think they were all born by then.  Maybe Seth/George/Job/Bevan....(there were 8, lol)   Thanks! Lynn     ==== PA-OLD-CHESTER Mailing List ====  Unsubscribing. To leave PA-old-chester-l, send mail to PA-old-chester-l-request@rootsweb.com with the single word unsubscribe in the message or subject slot."   NO VIRUS WARNINGS - if you are concerned contact me PERSONALLY ferg@ntelos.nettp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/pa-old-chester this site allows you to browse by month..   please visit the Chester Co rootsweb site...it is full of area photos,  helpful URLs and lots of county information http://www.pa-roots.com/~chester/   if you have a problem contact ME ferg@ntelos and NOT the list   ============================== 1. Benjamin THOMAS was born in s/o Richard, late of Warrington Twp., Bucks Co., Pa., and died ABT JAN 1795 in Will probated 10 Feb 1795. He married Susannah YARNALL 12 SEP 1765 in Chester Monthly Meeting, daughter of Job YARNALL and Rebecca LOWNES. She was born ABT 1739, and died AFT 1799.       Children of Benjamin THOMAS and Susannah YARNALL are:   2   i. Owen THOMAS.   3   ii. James THOMAS.   4   iii. George THOMAS.   5   iv. Jonathan THOMAS.   6   v. Rebecca THOMAS.   7   vi. Benjamin THOMAS.   8   vii. Seth THOMAS.   Title: Amtsfield, John J. "Amtsfield and Related Families" Note: 114 Woodfern Rd, Neshanic Station, New J ersey, USA, 08853-4053, E-Mail Address: J Amtsfield@msn.com, http://familytreemaker .genealogy.com/users/a/m/t/John-J-Amtsfie ld-NJ/?Welcome=1087600001

Sandra - Does your book include what is now Delaware County? This book sounds like a real prize! Do you have the particulars on it? ( I am looking for Thomases that lived in Nether Providence/Ridley/Middletown Townships, and also Radnor - Could you please check and see if there are any Thomases who lived in those areas? Richard and Benjamin would be the most important. Benjamin had a lot of sons but I don't think they were all born by then. Maybe Seth/George/Job/Bevan....(there were 8, lol) Thanks! Lynn

Need help locating the specifics regarding a Phila Townsend, born 15 May 1751 and died 15 Jan 1820. Husband was Samuel Merritt. May have been of the Townsends in Chester, or Bucks County. THanks, everyone! Kim Townsend Spangrude

George, Do you have any information regarding Sarah Jane Tomb and her family? 291 Thomas,b.6-24-1780;d.12-19-1858;m.Sarah Jane Tomb. Thanks, Erin

Greetings: I need help on a wedding record confirmation. I have Feb 8, 1764 for the wedding of William Hoskins - son of John Hoskins and Mary ??? and Martha Smith daughter of William Smith and Hannah Davis. If someone out there has a primary source for this and can verify the date and where the record is at I would be indebted. The information I have now is secondary and is from the Miller/Booth/Lamb papers from Swathmore college. JJH

An inmate is defined as a married man who did not own land but resided in the township. A freeman referred to an unmarried man who did not own land but resided in the twp. Sandra "What is the definition of "inmate"as used to describe Joseph Sheldon?" (George.....I've tried to reach you numerous times but your server continuously blocks my emails. So, don't bother asking me anything that requires a personal answer.....[hopefully I'll have your Edgmont copies ready to send off this week] ) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006

Sandra What is the definition of "inmate"as used to describe Joseph Sheldon? #59 MARY SMEDLEY (Thomas,Thomas,George),b.1755;d.10-6-1796;m.about 1779,William Sheldon,of Marple,b.1740-1;d.1 mo.,1831. Issue: 291 Thomas,b.6-24-1780;d.12-19-1858;m.Sarah Jane Tomb. 292 Hannah,b.3-31-1782;d/8-16-1870;m.Levi Harlan. 293 Joseph,d.young or unmarried. 294 Richard,d.young or unmarried. 295 Daniel,b.10-20-1790;d.11-11-1858,unmarried. Richard Sheldon was a taxable in Marple from 1718 till his death,in 1752.Joseph Sheldon was a taxable there from 1747,and a John Sheldon appears there in 1749.Sometimes the name is written Sheldron.The will of Richard Sheldon,of Marple,is dated Oct.18,1741,and proven Oct.27,1752: Mentions wife,Ann:gives to son Joseph the land during life,then to Joseph's eldest son,William,and so on to the eldest of the male line forever:also mentions daughter Mary and grandson Jonathan Sheldon. In 1764 Joseph Sheldon was assessed in Marple with 100 acres,4 horses and 5 cows.He was also tax collector that year.In 1777 he had the same land.In 1786 William Sheldron had 100 acres of land and Joseph Sheldron was classed as an inmate,without lands. At Goshen Monthly Meeting,4-9-1779,Mary Smedley,now Sheldron,was complained of for marriage by a priest,for which she was disowned 5-7-1779.After her death William Sheldon married again and had other children,Jonathan,d.1849,and William.The last m.Rachel (Briggs) McClure, who d.12-30-1880,and he d.in Upper Providence,5-19-1886,leaving a dau. Sarah Sheldon,now of Media,Pa. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Ferguson" <ferg@ntelos.net> To: <PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:45 PM Subject: [PaOldC] Sheldon > from a lookup in 1765 CHESTER ARCHIVES; > Sheldon; > Jos'h the twp accessor of Marple > Joseph owned 100 acres in Marple > Wm a single man in Marple...owned no land > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 > > > ==== PA-OLD-CHESTER Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribing.... To leave PA-old-chester-l, send mail to > PA-old-chester-l-request@rootsweb.com with the single word unsubscribe in > the message or subject slot. > > > NO VIRUS WARNINGS - if you are concerned contact me PERSONALLY > ferg@ntelos.net > > please visit the Chester Co rootsweb site...it is full of area photos, > helpful URLs and lots of county information > http://www.pa-roots.com/~chester/ > > If you have ANY problems, do not send them to the list > contact me personally....list manager ferg@ntelos.net > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

from a lookup in 1765 CHESTER ARCHIVES; Sheldon; Jos'h the twp accessor of Marple Joseph owned 100 acres in Marple Wm a single man in Marple...owned no land -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006

Oath of Allegiance listing shows Henry Moses of East Nantmeal Twp., signed 16 August 1778; Jacob Moses of Uwchlan Twp., signed 20 June 1778; Peter Moses of Pikeland Twp., sighed 23 March 1778 and Peter Moses of Vincent Twp., signed 14 April 1778. In 1850, John Moses, of W. Pikeland, became an owner of a grist & saw mill when John Morgan failed to pay his debt to John Moses. The up & down machinery from the sawmill is now in the Smithsonian Museum and the wooden works from the grist mill are at the Landis Valley Museum in Lancaster Co.

In the 1768 Tax list there is mentioned a Widow Andrew owning 50 acres of land in Pikeland Twp. Oath of Allegiance listing show that Adam Andrew of Pikeland Twp., signed the oath 31 March 1779. Marriages and Deaths of Montgomery County Pennsylvania,1685-1800, by Charlotte Meldrum: Faulkner Swamp Reformed church marriages-24 June 1783, Adam Andreas married Catherine Ache. Montgomery County Births has a Frederick Andreas having children baptised at the Old Goshenhoppen Reformed Church in the time frame that Adam Andreas was born. The children were Catharina, born 20 June 1769; Christian, born 1 April 1772 and Jost Frederick, born 4 April 1767.

James Baily/Baily is an exceedingly common name in Chester Co....so, you'll have to give us a bit more info....(and, do you mean that he was IN Chester in 1804? that he was born in 1804?) A wife's name would be helpful, too, or anything you have that would help identify him. Sandra " Is there anyone researching James Bailey 1804 in Chester Pa? How do I find them?" -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006

The 1756 Chester Archives has no McAndrew/MacAndrew/McAndre/Andre/Andrews, etc included. ... and, the only Andrew folks included are; Andrew, John a single man in UpperDarby Andrew, Mary owned 50 acres in Pikeland...( she is either unmarried or a widow....married women did not own land in their own right). Can't find any wills either....sorry. Sandra " Inquiry: Searching for Adam Andrew (possibly MacAndrew or possibly Andre) born in Chester County, PA - Feb. 12, 1760 - possibly Pikeland Twp. I have his descendents, but am searching for his parents names, his nationality and his siblings names. His wife was Catherine (unknown) and their first children were baptized in East Vincent Reformed Church starting in 1784. I have his Rev. War records." -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006