David would make more sense with the Welsh patronymic naming pattern.

I have Sibilla Davis's grandparents as DANIEL Harris and Sibyll Price. Is it David or Daniel? ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dott114029@aol.com> To: <PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 12:07 PM Subject: [PaOldC] Correction to Kirk / Mendenhall information sent in prior message 203 > In a previous message I posted information from the book "History of > Chester > County Pennsylvania by Futhey and Cope. I made a typo of a date as 1884, > (see > below), it should be 1684. Sorry for the error and please correct it for > your data if you use the information. Dottie > > William Kirk, who removed to East Nantmeal, Chester, Co., whose second > wife > was Sibilla Davis of Welsh ancestry, a granddaughter of David Harris, who > arrived the 17th > of 10th month, 1884. Rachel Kirk was the sixth child of William and > Sibilla > Kirk, and became the wife of Philip Price". > > It should read ....of 10th month, 1684. Rachel...... > > > ==== PA-OLD-CHESTER Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribing..... To leave PA-old-chester-l, send mail to > PA-old-chester-l-request@rootsweb.com > with the single word unsubscribe in the message or subject slot." > > If you have ANY problems, do not send them to the list > contact me personally....list manager ferg@ntelos.net > > NO VIRUS WARNINGS...contact me personally ferg@ntelos.net if posted you > will be unsubscribed > > please visit the Chester Co rootsweb site...it is full of area photos, > helpful URLs and lots of county information > http://www.pa-roots.com/~chester/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Diana asked: <<Did he have son Christian MARIS 1752-1795, died Charlestown, m a Mary LONGACKER, had 7 children?>> Diana, Christian Maris is not a son of John Maris and Susannah Lewis. John Maris's children are well documented as that Maris line is Quaker and quite extensive in Pennsylvania and North Carolina in the 1700s. John's father was the original Maris emigrant, George Maris, b. 1632 Grafton-Flyford, Worchestershire, England. I did Google "Christian Maris" and found this info on your Christian Maris: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/montgomery/roberts/roberts119.html: Christian Maris was the first of the family in this country, they being of German origin. He emigrated to America, and located on a tract of land near the present site of Phoenixville. One of his sons, David, married and had several children, one of whom was Hannah Maris, born 7th mo. 30, 1819, wife of William Hughes. She died 10th mo. 27, 1902, at her home near King-of-Prussia. and also, http://www.pennock.ws/surnames/fam/fam28469.html : Christian Maris Born: 1751 at: Germany Married: at: Died: 24 MAR 1795 at: Pheonixville, Chester Co., Pa. And at http://www.pennock.ws/surnames/nti/nti74720.html: Matthias Pannebecker purchased, in 1774, a mill and tract of land on Pickering creek, Schuylkill township, Chester county, and settled there. He became a Bishop of the Mennonite Church, and preached at Phoenixville, Skippack and Germantown. His first wife, Mary Kuster, having died in 1794, he married (second) Margaret (Longaker) Maris, widow of Christian Maris, and daughter of Daniel Longaker, by whom he had one daughter Sarah, who became the wife of William Walker, of Pickering Valley, and mother of Mary Pennypacker Walker, who married Tristram Coffin Colket. So it looks as though your Christian Maris is not part of George & John Maris' English family. Eleanor

Hello List, I recently found a tidbit from the records of the First Baptist Church of Phoenixville. In the membership list dated 1849, is a listing for a Jane WHITE. In small print right after the entry is written, now Davis. She may have been born 22 Jun 1825. I say "may" because there is also a reference to a Jane WHITE being baptized on 5 Feb 1843. My gggrandfather, Townsend DAVIS was married to a Jane ?. Townsend was born 10 Oct 1823 and also attended the same church - so the times and location seem promising. Does anyone have any data on this Jane WHITE? Link M. Davis entoman@comcast.net

In a previous message I posted information from the book "History of Chester County Pennsylvania by Futhey and Cope. I made a typo of a date as 1884, (see below), it should be 1684. Sorry for the error and please correct it for your data if you use the information. Dottie William Kirk, who removed to East Nantmeal, Chester, Co., whose second wife was Sibilla Davis of Welsh ancestry, a granddaughter of David Harris, who arrived the 17th of 10th month, 1884. Rachel Kirk was the sixth child of William and Sibilla Kirk, and became the wife of Philip Price". It should read ....of 10th month, 1684. Rachel......

Regarding this message:: #6[PaOldC] Caleb Kirk, Mendenhalls Here's yet other Elizabeth Kirks, from a book on the Woodwards. Richard Woodward, born in 1673, Acton Parish Cheshire and died 1747, Birmingham, Chester Co....had quite a few children. One; Thomas Woodward 1772-1785, married 10th mo 26, 1745, at Nottingham Meeting, Mrs Elizabeth Kirk Jacobs...widow of John jacobs and dau of Roger and (yet another) Elizabeth Kirk, of Nottingham Here is some information that figures into this discussion. The above Richard Woodward refering to having a son Thomas Woodward who married Elizabeth Kirk Jacobs is the son of .." Richard Woodward, son of Robert, of Rockland Manor, New Castle, Co., Delaware and Birmingham, Chester Co., who was married in 1705 to Mary, the only heir of Henry Nayle of Thornbury, and at his death left seven children who were: Henry, John, Richard, Thomas, Deborah, Mary and Alice. Of these, Thomas was married on Oct. 26, 1745 to Elizabeth Jacos, relict of John Jacobs and daughter of Roger Kirk and Elizabeth Richards at East Nottingham Meeting. Thomas was born Nov. 7, 1722-23 in East Bradford, and died June 16, 1785 and his wife Elizabeth was born Feb. 15, 1721 and died Jan. 25, 1812. Roger Kirk was from Lurgan, North Ireland and was among the pioneers of Nottingham and located in East Nottingham as early as 1712 and purchased Large tracts of land. He married Elizabeth Richards about 1714, the daughter of Nathaniel and Mary Richards of Ashton township. Nathaniel was a blacksmith and her grandfather was Joseph Richards, who with his wife Jane, came from England and settled in Chichester township, now Delaware County. Richard conveyed to Thomas Woodward, Dec.12, 1740 one hundred acres in East Bradford. Thomas was a Friend (member of Concord MM and obtained his certificate of removal to New Garden MM dated April 5, 1749, which was about the time he settled in East Marlborough and became a member of Londongrove Particular Meeting. He resided on Street road one and three-quarters miles from the meeting house. He was engaged in bookbinding, also in surveying and conveyancing. He held negro slaves, but after hearing John Woolman, a noted preacher of Friends and an anti-slavery man, preach against the sin of human bondage, he liberated them. Thomas had children, viz.: Rebecca, Elizabeth, Samuel, Thomas, Deborah, Timothy and Susanna." Quote from page762a History of Chester County by Futhey and Cope Also, concerning Elizabeth Kirk. Jacobs, this from the same book on page 692.."Alphonsus Kirk, came a young man, from Lurgan, porvicne of Ulster in Ireland with certificate from his meeting and his parents Roger Kirk and Elizabeth Kirk, dated 9th of 10th month, 1688; settled on the east side of the Brandywine, New Castle Co., and on the 22d of 12mo 1692-3, married Abigail Sharpley, daughter of Adam Sharpley who arrived in 1682. Their tenth child was William Kirk, who removed to East Nantmeal, Chester, Co., whose second wife was Sibilla Davis of Welsh ancestry, a granddaughter of David Harris, who arrived the 17th of 10th month, 1884. Rachel Kirk was the sixth child of William and Sibilla Kirk, and became the wife of Philip Price". Also page, 624....".Alphonsus Kirk, son of Roger Kirk, of Lurgan, Ireland, took passage from Belfast 11, 11, 1688 and landed at Jamestown, VA, 1st month (March) 12th, following. He came to Pennsylvania 3, 29, 1689. On the 23d of 12th month (Feb.), 1692-3 he married Abigail, daughter of Adam and Mary Sharpley of Shelpot Creek, New Castle, Co., and settled near what is now Centreville, in that county. The meeting house was built upon his land. He died 7, 7, 1745 and his wife in 1748. Their childre were Roger, b 1, 21, 1694, d. 1, 19, 1762; Elizabeth, b. 4, 23, 1695, m. Daniel Brown; there are many children listed, but no Caleb Kirk. Also under Roger and Elizabeth Richards, they list children Mary Timothy William, Elizabeth, Deborah, Rebecca and Samuel, no Caleb Kirk. Now, Alphonsus had a brother Timoth and timothy also did not have any Caleb but did have a son Roger b. 2, 31, 1686. There is a genealogy of the Kirk family writen by Charles H. Stubbs, M.D. written 1872 which might be worth finding and see who Caleb Kirk was the son of.

Slaves would, by law, not have been allowed to own land....neither would a slave, in many cases, have had a surname. So, this woman wasn't a slave. Another point is only as an unmarried woman or a widow could own land....when a woman married, her possessions automatically belonged to her husband.....and, anything she inherited while married also went to her husband. This is why many widows chose not to remarry - in this way they became the owner of what they inherited from their husband, or anything from any other inheritance....and, could make their own decisions. By leaving things to this woman, unless she married, he ensured that a husband didn't marry her and take the land and anything else he left her. So, she had the choice of owning land and remaining unmarried, or marrying and loose the land.... S. One interesting and unexplained bequest was to an Elizabeth Nichols who received "use of land" conditioned on her remaining unmarried, and her daughter Cilla Nichols who received livestock and household goods. Although there was Nichols/Nicholas families around in that era, I don't believe anyone has determined WHO Elizabeth and da. Cilla are. My guess..... would be SLAVE and her .....ah.... his daughter? Maybe Elizabeth was the House Servant.... maybe he got her pregnant." -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/373 - Release Date: 6/22/2006

I would like to respond to Sandra's note as I have a similar issue. This is from one of my ancestor's wills. One interesting and unexplained bequest was to an Elizabeth Nichols who received "use of land" conditioned on her remaining unmarried, and her daughter Cilla Nichols who received livestock and household goods. Although there was Nichols/Nicholas families around in that era, I don't believe anyone has determined WHO Elizabeth and da. Cilla are. My guess..... would be SLAVE and her .....ah.... his daughter? Maybe Elizabeth was the House Servant.... maybe he got her pregnant. HE.... wasn't the best of souls anyway. Supposedly he beat his wife regularly...... and we know he was having an affair with her cousin who after his separation to his wife ended up having 3 children by her and spent his life with her. But my main point is..... and I stress this to all my sites I'm on when the topic comes up. Read everything concerning YOUR AREA OF INTEREST. Even if it is a will of someone else.... especially and most importantly back in the very early years, 1600-1700's. There were about 4000 alone in just Virginia..... which was like a "new county" Imagine how few people were in other states at that time. I know people will just hit DELETE on the lists if it doesn't pertain to them. Wrong! In reading the Will of my 10th great grandfather MEADOWS on my mother's side........ I found it was witnessed by my 1st cousin 11 times removed TRAVERS, on my father's side. When you are researching those old counties, like I said, remember.... there weren't too many people there back then. Someone had to witness it. What about estates sales too.... Look at how many people come out of the woodwork to buy their stuff after they die. My point is...... here some 300 years earlier my parents ancestors knew each other. My father's people from then in Virginia went to White Co. IL then my father's family to Summit Co. OH....... my mother's people to WVa and then she to Summit. We all come full circle...... you'll never know who you will find lest ye read everything!!!!!! Janean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Ferguson" <ferg@ntelos.net> To: <PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 9:21 AM Subject: [PaOldC] Primary and secondary sources > This is a good example of why secondary sources are not accepted by > organizations as proof of any kind......and that primary > documentation....birth, death, marriage records, census, etc, are necessary. > Some seem to have difficulty grasping the fact that secondary sources just > aren't sufficient , and as such may be only thought of as clues, clues that > must be either proven true, or untrue, with primary records. there is > always someone that brings up the fact that the so and so census was > wrong...granted, mistakes happen even in primary records, but, they are the > best we have to work with! When I teach genealogy classes I always suggest > folks 'shoot' for joining some sort of a group....DAR, SAR, local county or > state groups, etc....anything that will give them an understanding of > exactly what may be considered proof. It gets them 'thinking' in the right > direction and will be a help throughout their research. Hopefully, they > will NEVER accept something that is 'told' them, as truth...ditto for > anything found in county history books, on the internet, in the ancestral > files at the LDS, or those published family histories, notorious for being > long on theory and short on fact! > I also always share something told me by my own genealogical > guru...and, something whose wisdom I have never found reason to > doubt...."Never believe anything unless you have the proof IN YOUR OWN > HAND." That's why my own files are chucked full of hardcopies....I haven't > accepted the fact that so and so is mentioned in so and so's will....I get a > copy of that will! - and have also always found these documents hugely > interesting....what could be better than reading the inventory that goes > with your great great great grandfather's will - to see how he lived, what > he owned, did he read? (books on the inventory).. could he write (did he > sign his will or use a mark)., and so many other things. > Some wills pose us questions that are, perhaps unanswerable, but > certainly interesting to think of. One of my family wills contained the > following clause (1677, VA) > " To him that shall have the girle named Jane Stowe to have 2 cows more than > the rest. I will that all my children may have a great care of the keeping > of the said Jane Stow soe long as she lives" > So, who in the world was Jane Stowe....I've found no one married to a > Stowe or any family connection to anyone named Stowe...so, who was she? I > looked at surrounding landowners, and no Stowes there (thinking a neighbor's > orphan child, taken in and raised)....... why did the person who would marry > her get 2 more cows that the others? and, why were his children asked to > take care of her? What was wrong with her...was she handicapped in some > way? I'll never find the answers, but how very interesting to think > about......and, I'd never have known it if I hadn't obtained a copy of the > will. > > S. > > " even some of the most cited references tend to be prone to occasional > errors and leaps of faith, which is why secondary sources should always be > treated with some skepticism. " > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/373 - Release Date: 6/22/2006 > > > ==== PA-OLD-CHESTER Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribing. To leave PA-old-chester-l, send mail to > PA-old-chester-l-request@rootsweb.com > with the single word unsubscribe in the message or subject slot." > > NO VIRUS WARNINGS - if you are concerned contact me PERSONALLY ferg@ntelos .nettp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/pa-old-chester > this site allows you to browse by month.. > > please visit the Chester Co rootsweb site...it is full of area photos, helpful URLs and lots of county information > http://www.pa-roots.com/~chester/ > > if you have a problem contact ME ferg@ntelos and NOT the list > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Eleanor Rayl Indianapolis wrote: Interesting that the link includes John Maris as a Scot, as he was born in Inkborough, Worchestershire, England and he emigrated along with his parents and most of his siblings from Worchestershire in 1683 to Chester Co (settling in what is now Springfield, Delaware Co) without a stop in Scotland or Ireland! lol -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Did he have son Christian MARIS 1752-1795, died Charlestown, m a Mary LONGACKER, had 7 children? Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 MARIS, CHRISTIAN. Charlestown. April 4, 1795. Adm. to Maria Maris and David Longacre. Mary remarried Matthias Pennypacker. Had one child Sarah m William WALKER. Extract from letter of Judge Pennypacker,1107 Girard Building, Philadelphia, dated October 10th, 1895, addressed to Judge Longaker: "DEAR JUDGE: Matthias Pennypacker married Mary Maris, widow of Christian Maris and daughter of David Longaker, April 19th,1796. They had one daughter, Sarah, whose portrait you will find in the Biography of Heindrick Pannebecker. Where you will also find set out in full the information concerning the Langenecker preachers and the authority for it. You cannot get a copy of the Biography, but there is one in Norristown belonging to John A. Pennypacker, where, no doubt, you can see it. Sarah Pennypacker left a large number of descendants, including the Colkits, of Philadelphia, and the wife of Colonel J. C. Audenried. She married William Walker." Chester Co Wills: PENNEBECKER, MARY. Charlestown. July 31, 1817. January 18, 1821. To dau. Sarah Walker $10. Rem. of estate to be sold and proceeds equally divided among my 7 children, the issue of Christian Marys[sic Maris], viz: Jacob, Magdalen, Barbara Wersler, Mary Ryan, Elizabeth Brewer, David, and Ann Funk. Magdalen being deceased her share to go to her 3 chil. Executor: Son-in-law Jacob Wersler. (Test. signed Maria.) Wits: Henry Wersler, Joseph Pennypacker. Or is this another MARIS line and not from John MARIS? Thanks Diana in AL

This is a good example of why secondary sources are not accepted by organizations as proof of any kind......and that primary documentation....birth, death, marriage records, census, etc, are necessary. Some seem to have difficulty grasping the fact that secondary sources just aren't sufficient , and as such may be only thought of as clues, clues that must be either proven true, or untrue, with primary records. there is always someone that brings up the fact that the so and so census was wrong...granted, mistakes happen even in primary records, but, they are the best we have to work with! When I teach genealogy classes I always suggest folks 'shoot' for joining some sort of a group....DAR, SAR, local county or state groups, etc....anything that will give them an understanding of exactly what may be considered proof. It gets them 'thinking' in the right direction and will be a help throughout their research. Hopefully, they will NEVER accept something that is 'told' them, as truth...ditto for anything found in county history books, on the internet, in the ancestral files at the LDS, or those published family histories, notorious for being long on theory and short on fact! I also always share something told me by my own genealogical guru...and, something whose wisdom I have never found reason to doubt...."Never believe anything unless you have the proof IN YOUR OWN HAND." That's why my own files are chucked full of hardcopies....I haven't accepted the fact that so and so is mentioned in so and so's will....I get a copy of that will! - and have also always found these documents hugely interesting....what could be better than reading the inventory that goes with your great great great grandfather's will - to see how he lived, what he owned, did he read? (books on the inventory).. could he write (did he sign his will or use a mark)., and so many other things. Some wills pose us questions that are, perhaps unanswerable, but certainly interesting to think of. One of my family wills contained the following clause (1677, VA) " To him that shall have the girle named Jane Stowe to have 2 cows more than the rest. I will that all my children may have a great care of the keeping of the said Jane Stow soe long as she lives" So, who in the world was Jane Stowe....I've found no one married to a Stowe or any family connection to anyone named Stowe...so, who was she? I looked at surrounding landowners, and no Stowes there (thinking a neighbor's orphan child, taken in and raised)....... why did the person who would marry her get 2 more cows that the others? and, why were his children asked to take care of her? What was wrong with her...was she handicapped in some way? I'll never find the answers, but how very interesting to think about......and, I'd never have known it if I hadn't obtained a copy of the will. S. " even some of the most cited references tend to be prone to occasional errors and leaps of faith, which is why secondary sources should always be treated with some skepticism. " -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/373 - Release Date: 6/22/2006

I thought Matthias Blazer was a bit unlikely too. ;^) I'm fairly sure at least one other name I saw wasn't a Scot, and I imagine they were quick to claim any non Germans settled in mostly German and Scot territory as Scottish. But I welcome any lists of early settlers and some context of the times, even if some of the associations are imagined. Those of us who have poked around enough know that even some of the most cited references tend to be prone to occasional errors and leaps of faith, which is why secondary sources should always be treated with some skepticism. They can still be a useful guide to finding things we might not otherwise have looked for. Best regards, Mal

In another alllied line: Joshua Bailey m. Ann Jackson b. 16 Jun 1755 New Garden Twp, Chester Co, PA, dau. of John Jackson and Sarah Miller. Joshua and Ann married 13 May 1778 at the Londongrove Meeting, London Grove Twp. Eleanor Rayl

All this talk of Baileys got me lookingat one of my allied lines: William Bailey, b. Kennett Twp, Chester Co, PA, m. Keziah Newlin b. 22 Dec 1696, dau. of Nathaniel Newlin and Mary Mendenhall. I have no other info on William Bailey -- perhaps someone out there does? Eleanor Rayl

> Mal Humes writes: > <<...Here's a list of early settlers cited in that link above that mostly settled in what was then Chester County at the time they arrived: "The first permanent settlers in what may be termed the Donegal region located along the Chiques creek, beginning in 1716, and spreading eventually over most of the five town- ships now represented in the original Donegal. The list is not complete, but it at least establishes the time of settlement of some of the principal Scotch-Irish families of the "Upper. End" of the county. Robert Middleton is shown as settling in 1716; John and George Stewart in 1717; Peter Allen, Robert and William Buchanan, William Bryan, Thomas Bayley, Henry Bealey, Andrew, James and John Galbraith, John Gardner, James Mitchell, Samuel Smith, John Sterret, Robert, Thomas, William and John Wilkins in 1718; Patrick Campbell, James Cunningham, Joseph Cloud, James Couch, Daniel Clark, Widow Dunning, John and Thomas Mitchell, Ephraim Moore, James Smith, and Joseph Work in 1720; John Taylor in 1721; Robert, James and John Allison, Gordon Howard, Thomas Howard, Alexander Hutchison, William Maybee, Richard McFarland, Robert Monday, John Maris, James Kyle, and Hugh White, in 1722; John Miller in 1723; Thomas Black, William Beach, John Black, Robert Brown, John Davison, John Doaks, Christian Gardner, John Walker and Michael Wood, in 1724; Jeremiah Bringham, Matthias Blazer, James Brownlow, Abraham Inless, Hugh Scott, in 1725; Rev. James Anderson, Joseph Baston, James Harris, Alexander McKee, George Mayfort, in 1726; Lazarus, James, John, Daniel and Alexander Lowrey, in 1729; James Buey, James Cook, Peter Hairston, James Hutchison, John Kelley, William and Alexander Mitchell, Thomas and John Scott, in 1730.">> Interesting that the link includes John Maris as a Scot, as he was born in Inkborough, Worchestershire, England and he emigrated along with his parents and most of his siblings from Worchestershire in 1683 to Chester Co (settling in what is now Springfield, Delaware Co) without a stop in Scotland or Ireland! lol Eleanor Rayl Indianapolis

The Elizabeth Kirk 1720/21-1812 that married John Jacobs and Thomas Woodward was the daughter of Roger Kirk 1685/1686-1761 and Elizabeth Richards. Roger Kirk of Nottingham was the nephew of Alphonsus Kirk 1659-1745 of the Delaware area. Roger Kirk was the son of Timothy Kirk 1652-? and Catherine Robson. Both Alphonsus and Timothy were the sons of Roger Kirk and Elizabeth ?. Elizabeth Richards is of my line. Barclay Richards Nottingham, Pa.

> Looking for info on SAMUEL KIRK b Aug 25 1782 son of CALEB KIRK and SARAH > (CHANDLER) KIRK. We were given a Bible from a family member that belong > to CALEB KIRK b 1805 and HANNAH (PEACH) KIRK. In this Bible was an > envelope of 8 pages telling the history of the KIRK's starting with ROBERT > (CHURCH) > KIRK his son Thomas and his sons ROBERT, ROGER and TIMOTHY. > ROGER (seems to be our line) his son ALPHONSUS who came to America lst > month 1689 married > ABAGAIL SHARPLEY and had children. Their son ADAM married > PHOEBE MENDENHALL and their son CALEB married SARAH CHANDLER and their > son SAMUEL married S. GOULD. They had 5 girls and 3 sons > CALEB--HIRAM--WILLIAM. Then it stated next was a CALEB KIRK who married > HANNAH (PEACH) KIRK and listed 4 children starting in 1832 through 1838 > but CALEB and HANNAH had 5 more children which I have all the info for > them up to my family. I would appreciate if any one can tell me if SAMUEL > son married HANNAH and if they can tell me more about SAMUEL's family > > Thanking all in advance > > Shirley Kirk Goad > Decatur Illinois > memegoad@sbcglobal.net >

-----Here's yet other Elizabeth Kirks, from a book on the Woodwards. Richard Woodward, born in 1673, Acton Parish Cheshire and died 1747, Birmingham, Chester Co....had quite a few children. One; Thomas Woodward 1772-1785, married 10th mo 26, 1745, at Nottingham Meeting, Mrs Elizabeth Kirk Jacobs...widow of John jacobs and dau of Roger and (yet another) Elizabeth Kirk, of Nottingham. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 6/21/2006

Yes, I show Eliz. Kirk, b. 1720/21, married to John Jacobs first, then to Thomas Woodward, son of Richard. I have Alphonsus Kirk's daughter Elizabeth, b. 1695, married to Daniel Brown. margaret

Yay! Mystery solved. So Elizabeth Mendenhall married Samuel Coates, then, as widow Elizabeth Coates, married Caleb Kirk. Now I get it. Thanks so much! Now I can merge these folks together in my database. Margaret

They are one and the same - Elizabeth Mendenhall married first to Samuel Coates and had three children by him that are listed in Bradford MM records. She married second to Caleb Kirk and had four children by him. The records at Bradford are: Samuel Coates from North Wales in order for mar. with Elizabeth Mendenhall, and settlement; 22nd of 12th mo 1742/3 Children of Samuel and Elizabeth Coates of East Caln: Aaron b 6th of 4th mo 1744 O. S.; Moses b. 4th of 12th mo, 1745/6 O. S.; Isaac b 1st of 2nd mo 1748 O. S. Page 5. Then on page 15 Children of Caleb & Elizabeth Kirk Elisha b. 25th of 12th mo 1757; Caleb b 3rd of 8th mo 1759; Beulah b. 7th of 4th mo 1762; Eli b. 13th of 4th mo, 1764. Page 36 Samuel Coates, s/o Moses Coates of Charlestown, Chester Co m. Elizabeth Mendenhall, d/o Aaron Mendenhall of East Caln 11th day of 3rd mo 1743. Then on page 52 Caleb Kirk, s/o William Kirk of East Nantmell Twp, Chester Co [certificate from Newark to mar. & settle], m. Elizabeth Coates, widow of Samuel Coates, dec'd, and d/o Aaron Mendenhall of East Caln, m. 30th day, 9th mo. 1756. The reference for these is "Early Church Records of Chester County, Pennsylvania" Vol 1 Quaker Records of bradford Monthly Meeting" by Martha Reamy, 1995. Nadine ----- Original Message ----- From: "eeyore" <eeyoresan@comcast.net> To: <PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 8:38 AM Subject: [PaOldC] Caleb Kirk, Mendenhalls > Thanks, Nadine. I asked because the Mendenhalls are one of my direct > lines. I have 3 Elizabeths, one born 1611 (too early to be married to > Caleb Kirk), one married to Samuel Coates, and one born 1778 (too late to > be married to Caleb Kirk) and anyway I show her husband as Joseph > Woodward. > > I have a Caleb Kirk, married 1756 - which was the marriage date Kim > indicated in her posting - but I show him married to Elizabeth Coates. > > ==== PA-OLD-CHESTER Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribing. To leave PA-old-chester-l, send mail to > PA-old-chester-l-request@rootsweb.com > with the single word unsubscribe in the message or subject slot." > > NO VIRUS WARNINGS - if you are concerned contact me PERSONALLY > ferg@ntelos.nettp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/pa-old-chester > this site allows you to browse by month.. > > please visit the Chester Co rootsweb site...it is full of area photos, > helpful URLs and lots of county information > http://www.pa-roots.com/~chester/ > > if you have a problem contact ME ferg@ntelos and NOT the list > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >