Regarding Sandra's pondering of Irish ships, I found a site with a list of ships departing Irish ports: http://www.genealogybranches.com/irishpassengerlists/ships.html That details about 70 ships that sailed from Ireland in 1732-1749. It has links to a few passenger lists. Following the links there also you can find a reference to what looks like a list of about 2000 indentured servants in that era. "BOOK: Emigrants from Ireland to America, 1735-1743: <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0806313315/theangeljessica> A Transcription of the Report of the Irish House of Commons into Enforced Emigration to America by Frances McDonnell; GPC 1992 Lists about 2,000 felons and vagabonds who were forcibly transported from Ireland from 1735 to 1743." Also there is an overview of various waves of Irish migration here that claims that the 1717-20 migrations included nearly 100 ships sailing from northern Ireland and claims thousands cam as servants: <http://www.irishgenealogy.com/surnames/migration-scotch-irish.htm> I found these while searching for the Ship Donegal, also noted as Dunnegall in some records, which may not have even sailed from Ireland. Based on the account of one passenger, John Hamilton, the Hamiltons and Potters on this ship I am seeking were not likely to have been indentured. Does anyone have any documentation of this ship Dunnegall or Donegal and passengers in 1741 or any other date? The acounts in Potter's bio offer a specific arrival date: ".. James Potter ... was born on the banks of the River Foyle in County Tyrone, Ireland, in 1729. When James was age 12, the family moved to this contry, arriving on the ship "Dunnegall" at New Castle, Delaware on 25 Sep 1741. John Potter was accompanied by his sister Isabella, wife of John Hamilton (19). Isabella died shortly after arrival and her daughter Catherine was taken in by John Potter. Catherine later married James Chambers. James later commanded the "First Pensylvania Line." Multiple accounts of Col. James Potter place him arriving on this ship Dunnegall. I think one account suggests it was a few years earlier. I think I once found at least one other person claimed to have been on this ship but I currently can't find any record of ship passenger lists or of the ship at all aside from in Gen. James Potter bios. There is an Earl of Donegal ship list for passge to South Carolina in 1767 found here: <http://www.geocities.com/earlofdonegal/LIST.htm> John Hamilton apparently went to settle in western PA and I have some accounts of his owning a large farm and employing many slaves or indentured servants. That story seems a bit flawed in the claim that it was a plantation with many slaves, given the location in western PA, but is somewhat supported by a township named after the Fernaugh farm. Given that any Hamiltons I've come acorss generally seem to be well off the claim from some notes at the Lancaster Historical Society that the farm probably employed indentured servants makes more sense.

I am searching for documentation of a marriage which may have taken place in Chester County, PA in 1772 between Thomas Lester and Sytha Lucas(?). I had thought that they were in Virginia at the time but another researcher recently suggested Chester Co. Thanks in advance for any assistance, Roger Lester

I have been researching SHENEMAN/SHANEMAN/SCHOENEMAN, some of who went from Chester Co to Berks Co. In 1860 Census, there is a Peter SHEANEMAN in Reading with wife Rebecca and 2 children: 1860 United States Federal Census > Pennsylvania > Berks > Reading, South West Ward Roll: M653_1077; Page: 1185; Image: 503. Peter SHEANEMAN, mill right, age 53, PA (born abt 1806-7) Rebecca age 55, PA Lewis, age 25, PA Ema, age 19, PA, house maid I believe this is a son of Benjamin SHENEMAN and Anna Maria RICE of Pikeland/Vincent area in Chester Co. In estate papers for Benjamin SHENEMAN, who died 10/11/1817, Vincent Twp., Chester Co., his son Peter was a minor under 14 and a guardian named Lewis Heffelfinger, was appointed for him on 2/2/1818. An LDS file, Family Group Record, shows a Peter SCHONEMAN married a Rebecca LUTZ in 1/9/1831 in Berks Co. No documentation, but it does seem to match with this Peter in the 1860 Census, and who has a son named Lewis! Can anyone find this marriage for me? I know there were LUTZ in Albany area, but not sure who this Rebecca LUTZ is from.......or where this marriage took place.....Benejamin Sheneman was a member of St Peter's Lutheran church in W Pikeland, Chester Co.....so maybe Peter married in a Lutheran church? I could not find Peter or Rebecca in 1850 Census in PA, or earlier....... In 1820 Census, there is Lewis Heffelfinger in Vincent twp. in age 26-45 age bracket with a male bet 10-15. I don't know if this could be Peter or not...... I do not know how Lewis HEFFELFINGER would connect with the SHENEMANs. I did find will showing Lewis HEFFELFINGER was a son of Jacob, who died in Vincent..... HEFELFINGER, JACOB. Vincent. October 10, 1815. March 20, 1818. To wife Elizabeth & son John my plantation in Vincent whereon I live, cont. 119 acres; also lot of woodland in E. Nantmel, cont. 7 acres 51 per., during life of wife; then to son John. Son Lewis has already received his portion. To dau. Catharine Ralston £150 and 7 acres, 48 per. of woodland. Rem. to wife and son John. Executors: Sons Lewis and John Heffelfinger. Wits: Laurance Haile, Daniel Warner. Thanks anyone....... Diana in AL

Here is one Roberts family who arrived on the Kent but it says they were from England 2767 Emma Elizabeth Thomas,b.6-15-1867;d.Fellowship,N.J.,2-14-1893;buried at Friends' Cemetery,Moorestown,N.J.;m.Cheyney,Pa.,3-7-1889, Horace Roberts,b.Fellowship,1-2-1868;son of Emmor Roberts and Martha Lippencott (dau.of Israel and Maria Wallace Lippencott, of Cinnaminson),of near Fellowship.they settled on a farm,near Fellowship,Burlington Co.,N.J.,which had been occupied by his father,Emmor Roberts,and his grandfather,Asa Roberts,who settled there at the time of his marriage with Anna Lippencott dau.of Samuel and Priscilla Brion Lippencott,in 1821.Asa Roberts,b.1795,was the son of Samuel Roberts,b.1746 (and Hannah Stiles),son of Enoch Roberts,b.1717 (and Rachel Coles), son of John Roberts (who m.Mary Elkinton,of Burlington),son of John and Sarah Roberts,who came from Ourton,England,in the ship Kent,landing at what is now Burlington in 1677;all members of the Society of Friends.Before leaving England John Roberts purchased from the Proprietors the right to one- sixteenth part of a one-hundredth part of the lands in West Jersey,and after his arrival purchased from the Indians the right to locate among them and to secure their good will. Horace and Emma had issue: Emmor,b.3-13-1890. Preston Thomas,b.2-25-1891. Byron Thomas,b.3-17-1892. ----- Original Message ----- From: <ScottishLass26@aol.com> To: <PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: [PaOldC] Transported folks from Scotland > Do you see any Roberts who came from Scotland in the early 1700,s. > Thanks for you offer. > Pat in FL > > > ==== PA-OLD-CHESTER Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribing. To leave PA-old-chester-l, send mail to > PA-old-chester-l-request@rootsweb.com > with the single word unsubscribe in the message or subject slot." > > NO VIRUS WARNINGS - if you are concerned contact me PERSONALLY > ferg@ntelos.nettp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/pa-old-chester > this site allows you to browse by month.. > > please visit the Chester Co rootsweb site...it is full of area photos, > helpful URLs and lots of county information > http://www.pa-roots.com/~chester/ > > if you have a problem contact ME ferg@ntelos and NOT the list > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Sandra, would you mind looking up a Magoon, McGoon, MacGoon, McKuen, or if you can think of another alteration of the surname Magoon then try that. I have an Alexander Magoon married Mary Ann Tackles 1 APR 1762 in Ware, Hampshire County, Ma., and he may have been the immigrant but it is more likely his father or grandfather who came over with Jacobite refugees after the rebellion of 1715 rather than the 1745 rebellion and Culloden. I am not sure, though. Thank you so much! Kim Spangrude

Do you see any Roberts who came from Scotland in the early 1700,s. Thanks for you offer. Pat in FL

Hi Sandra, I'm looking for a Cuthbert or Culbert NICHOLSON or NICKELSON. He was born abt 1712. He named his sons Georgia, John, and Joseph; so it's possible that one of those names is for the father and/or brother(s). We know he was in Pennsylvania around 1735/1736, possibly earlier. Thanks so much for your help. Anne In a message dated 7/19/2006 9:25:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rdutton1@tampabay.rr.com writes: I have 2 CDs on this subject, but have never found anyone I was looking > for in them.. > IMMIGRATION RECORDS; SCOTTISH IMMIGRANTS TO NA 1600-1800S > (Tim kindly sent me the following) > BRITISH EMIGRANTS IN BONDAGE 1614-1788. > I'd be happy to do lookups, but don't get too excited...lousy luck so > far! > > S.

Hi Sandra - Boy, you sure left yourself open on this one ! you will be inundated with look-up requests !! I'm always looking for my THOMAS FORCEE-FORCEY and my GEORGE and/or CHARLES TATE but if you are too busy it''s no big deal, it is a wonderful gesture on your part and certainly most appreciated, Thanks, thanks, thanks, Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Ferguson" <ferg@ntelos.net> To: <PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:07 PM Subject: Transported folks > I have 2 CDs on this subject, but have never found anyone I was looking > for in them.. > IMMIGRATION RECORDS; SCOTTISH IMMIGRANTS TO NA 1600-1800S > (Tim kindly sent me the following) > BRITISH EMIGRANTS IN BONDAGE 1614-1788. > I'd be happy to do lookups, but don't get too excited...lousy luck so > far! > > S. > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006 > > ______________________________

>http://www.illuminatrix.com/andria/quaker.html Thanks, this was very informative and one of those eye-openers that explained some things I was confused by and raised a lot of questions about dates in general. I'm surprised I haven't seen this discussed more previously.

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There is a very long bio on him, in Futhey and Cope....too long to type it all in., here are facts, extracted from the bio. He came from Reading England ... imprisoned for 16 weeks as a Quaker..landed in New Amsterdam 1657...went with 9 other Friends to L. I....banished from New England...imprisoned in New Amsterdam and sentenced to work "2 years with a negro at the wheelbarrow." Became ill and was spared because the sister of Gov Stuyverant intervened in his behalf. Upland records 1677-8 mention Robberd Hutchinson as an attorney. (there is, perhaps, a brother, too....Ralph). `1692 owned 50 acres of land in Concord....sells it in 1699. took up a warrant in 1714-15 in Conestoga for 2000 acres..had a certificate dated 1717, Newark MM for him and his family, including wife, Sarah. Patent 1715, 250 acres in , called Hodgson's Choice....600 acres patent granted by Md...called Pleasant Garden, principally in what is New london twp...this was his final residence. died 1732...left children Joseph, John, David, Richard, Phineas, Matthew, Rachel Scott, Sarah, Jonathan and Robert. Sandra >" Tell me more about the Robert Hodgson who was in New Amsterdam by 1655 >and was a proven Quaker. " -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006

Someone has suggest that perhaps many of the Irish came to the colonies as Indentures from Ireland, and I honestly know nothing about this possibility. (I'm speaking of the 1700s, and not the Potato famine emigration.) While I've read and posted a ton of ships' passenger lists, I can't honestly remember one that actually came FROM Ireland. The vast majority, of folks from GB, originated from England. Even my own English Quakers, who had fled England and persecution, to live in Ireland, came to PA aboard a ship that sailed from Liverpool. One of the ways folks made a 'deal' for their passage, was to sign up with a ship's captain for free passage...and, upon arrival in the new world, the were 'sold' to a local for a certain # of years, and the money from the sale was paid to the captain who brought them over. So, it would seem that, unless there were ships leaving from Ireland, the Irish poor wouldn't have had an opportunity to get free passage, and they sure wouldn't have been able to pay their own way to England to sign up for indentures. In looking for Irish ships/passengers, etc I was surfing the British Bondage CD and was knocked over to discover that between 1614 and 1776, there were over 45,000 documented names of British convicts sentenced to transportation to the American Colonies....geez, that's a LOT of people forcefully shipped to the New World! I looked through the convict ships ports of embarkation, and only one, even of these ships, was in Ireland. Apparently prisoners were convicted, sentenced, loaded onto ships in Ireland and taken to England (English courts, ships and English captains), before they departed for the new world...... I'd be really interested in anything anyone knows on ships that were actually Irish ships....and came to the New World.....a fascinating subject. S. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006

Speaking of convict ancestors, in 1768 my ancestor, Edward Rylett, who killed some sheep was sentenced to die but instead chose transportation to America where he was sold off the ship for 14 years to pay for his passage. While in Maryland (and not enjoying servitude) he stole a horse and ran away from his master, so got a nice write-up in both the Pennsylvania Gazette and the Virginia Gazette. Even though he was returned to his Master, the Rev. War came along and he was able to join the American Army and gain his freedom. When we read the court papers from the trial (at the PRO in London) we found that he and his friend planned to kill the sheep in order to get transported to the Colonies. They didn't like being in the Army in England!! I am still trying to prove that he was originally from the Rylett family in Lincolnshire. I can't find his papers when he joined the Army. Peter Wilson Coldham, The Complete Book of Emigrants in Bondage 1614-1775 (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company,1988), p. 696. RYLETT, Edward. Sentenced to transportation for killing sheep, Lent, Reprieved for transportation, 14 yrs. Summer 1768. Berkshire. The Pennsylvania Gazette 12 March 1772. Sixty Pounds Reward. Run away from the subscriber [Edward STEVENSON], living on Little Pipe Creek, in Frederick county, Maryland, the 5 following servant men, viz. Edward RYLOT, about 5 feet 6 or 7 inches high, pale yellow countenance, straight black hair, black eyes; he had one of his ancles put out of place, and very bad foreshins, about 27 years of age. [The other four were John POLLARD, John BISSEY, William NORRIS and Henry WITMORE.] Gwen Boyer Bjorkman gwenbj@seanet.com -----Original Message----- From: Sandra Ferguson [mailto:ferg@ntelos.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:34 AM To: PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PaOldC] Irish emigration In looking for Irish ships/passengers, etc I was surfing the British Bondage CD and was knocked over to discover that between 1614 and 1776, there were over 45,000 documented names of British convicts sentenced to transportation to the American Colonies....geez, that's a LOT of people forcefully shipped to the New World! I looked through the convict ships ports of embarkation, and only one, even of these ships, was in Ireland. Apparently prisoners were convicted, sentenced, loaded onto ships in Ireland and taken to England (English courts, ships and English captains), before they departed for the new world...... I'd be really interested in anything anyone knows on ships that were actually Irish ships....and came to the New World.....a fascinating subject. S.

Tell me more about the Robert Hodgson who was in New Amsterdam by 1655 and was a proven Quaker. I would love to see the records in Chester Co. that you have for him. I think there are at least four Robert Hodgsons here in the records that I have. The most important clues seem to be that Sarah names Robert Hodgson as her eldest son, therefore born ca. 1698 if they were m. in 1697. This does not line up with the Robert Hodgson who m. Theodate Seals in 1740 at Warrington MM. The Cecil Co Deed of 1744 says that Robert the son of Robert Hodgson was of Kent County Delaware. We know that Robert and Theodate witnessed the wedding 22, 4m, 1756 at Warrington MM. Robert from Warrington was probably received on certificate at Cane Creek MM, NC 6, 12m, 1760. Here are the records for the Maryland Robert Hodgson. Both Robert Hodgson and his wife Sarah left wills in Cecil Co, MD: 1733 Cecil Co. Wills AA1:263 Robert HODGSON Ch: Robert, Matthew, Phineas, Joseph, John, Jonathan, Richard, David, Rachel, Sarah. 1733 Dec 17. Robert HODGSON: Sarah HODGSON Exex, along with Evert EVERDSON Junr & Walter SCOTT Junr ... Wit: Benj. PEARCE Junr., Wm. RECONSEY? Film #013879 Cecil Co, MD Administrations No. 64, p. 421. 1744 Cecil Co, MD Deeds 6:345 27 July 1744 Robert HODGSON of the County of Kent upon Delaware Son and Heir of Robt. HODGSON late of Cecil County in Maryland decd of the one part and John MACKEY of Cecil County Yeoman of the other part ... 1748 Cecil Co. Wills BB2:32 Sarah HODGSON Children: Eldest son Robert, Matthew, Phineas, Joseph, John, Jonathan, Richard, David, Rachel, Sarah WOOD, grandson David, granddau Sarah WOOD. 1748/9 Feb 23 Sarah HODGSON: Jonathan HODGSON & Richd HODGSON Exors. of Sarah HODGSON late of Cecil Co. with the Deceaseds will annext do make... along with Walter SCOTT Jun & Evert EVERTSON of Cecil Co. bound £300 Wit: Robert HODGSON, John THOMPSON Film #013879 Cecil Co, MD Administrations No. 64, p. 421. PLEASE NOTE!!! There is no George Hodgson listed as a son of Robert and Sarah in their wills. [You can not declare that George was disowned and then use as proof that he was not named in their wills.] Also note that Robert Hodgson, son of Robert Hodgson is said to be living in Kent upon Delaware in 1744. Here is his will. 1765 HODGSON, Robert, Sr. Will (copy). Made Jan. 11, 1765. Heirs: sons Robert, William, David; daus. Mary CATLIN, Margarett PRICHARD. Exec'rs, bro-in-law Andrew CALDWELL & son Robert. Wits., Preston BERRY, Jane CALDWELL, Ann REYNOLDS, David CALDWELL. Prob. Augs. 12, 1767. Arch. vol. A24, pages 129-131. Reg. of Wills, Liber L, folios 33-34. Robert HODGSON's son Joseph HODGSON wrote a will in 1759 naming his uncle Andrew CALDWELL, his bro Robert HODGSON Jr. as Exor and his mother Train HODGSON as Trustee. Robert and Train HODGSON were witnesses to a will in 1733. Therefore Robert was married to Train when he sold [1744] that piece of land in Cecil County that he inherited from his father. The son William HODGSON left a will in 1770 naming his daus Esther and Train and his brother David as Exor. Leon deValinger, Jr., Calendar of Kent County, Delaware Probate Records 1680-1800, (Dover, Del.: Archives Commission, 1944), p. 229. PLEASE NOTE! This cannot be the Robert HODGIN who m. Theodate SEAL in 1740 west of the Susquehanna River in what became York Co, PA. He or his wife were witnesses to Quaker marriages there in 1740, 1748, 1749, 1756. You just cannot be in two places at the same time. It also seems certain that the Robert of the 1765 Kent Co Delaware will is this eldest son of Robert and Sarah of Cecil County. The will in 1765 cannot be Robert and Theodate who are in North Carolina in 1760 and they leave for South Carolina in 1771. I. Robert HODGSON d. 1733. wife Sarah BORDEN d. 1748 II. Their eldest son Robert HODGSON b. ca. 1698, d. 1767 Kent DE. He m. Train CALDWELL. III. Their son Robert HODGSON mentioned in his brother's will in 1759 and in his father's will in 1765. None of this family above appears to be Quakers and none of these above are Robert HODGIN who m. the widow Theodate SEALS in 1740 in York Co, PA. And he is the Robert HODGIN who is claimed to be the brother of George HODGSON. Gwen Boyer Bjorkman gwenbj@seanet.com -----Original Message----- From: Sandra Ferguson [mailto:ferg@ntelos.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:44 AM To: PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PaOldC] George Hodgson Without some sort of proof that these Georges are one and the same, I think it would seem more likely that the Chester Co George was an ancestor of the area's original Hodgson emigrant, Robert, who emigrated here because he was a persecuted Quaker in England....he was in New Amsterdam by 1655 after being physically abused and then banished from New England for practicing his Quaker religion. by 1692, land was sold in Concord, in 1694....in the early 1700s a Robert Hodgson was taxed on land on Conestoga Creek and later lived in Md,....in 1715 he owned land in East Nottingham, called 'Hodgson's Choice'. S. Very interesting! George who married Mary Thacher later died in Guilford County, North Carolina but he is the one that married at Old Swede's.

The following URL is included on the Chester Co site....that I mention in your Welcome email....under Quaker Info,....... http://www.illuminatrix.com/andria/quaker.html this was not practiced by certain Quakers, but ALL Friends, wherever they were. There is also some confusion when dealing with the Gregorian Calender http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/astronomy/GregorianCalendar.htm Part of the problem arises because people try to 'convert' Quaker dates to 'regular' ones, and they get it wrong! I really feel it's best to just accept the Quaker date as is, and forget trying to change it....too many errors. Sandra "Does anyone have a good explanation as to how the early friends meetings reckoned dates." -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006

Good guess, Sandra. I was going to guess it was related to Saint Vincent, who has an interesting 17th century history of evangelizing to country folk, convicts and charity for the poor: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15434c.htm But the township is indeed related to Mathias Vincent. See: <http://www.westvincenttwp.org/History.htm> Note the site is about West Vincent, formed later, but includes this history. "William Penn's vast lands were divided first into counties (Chester, Bucks, Philadelphia, and Montgomery), and then into townships. Vincent Township was divided roughly in half in 1832, with about 12,000 acres in the western portion. Algonquin and Lenni Lenape Indian tribes held this land before European settlement: Conestoga Road (Route 401) and Nantmeal Road (now Horseshoe Trail) were Indian trails. The Township takes its name from Sir Mathias Vincent, who purchased his lands from his friend Penn. English, German, Swiss and Welsh settlers were welcomed here, making their homes primarily in the eastern portion of the original undivided township. Streams and rivers were important for transportation and industry, which was based on local iron works like those at Warwick, Reading, and Valley Forge. West Vincent's map profile is distinctive: the enormous "missing" square is the result of a boundary dispute in 1715, when Vincent and others failed to pay taxes to William Penn. Suit was brought against these men by the Clerk of the County Court, and 467 acres were seized. The "missing" piece lies on the border of Upper Uwchlan Township." Also, as an aside, given the interest in early German settlers we see on the list, I wonder if people are aware of the 1710 immigation to what became a Lancaster area county area of a group of German imigrants that included Marie Ferree and the Slaymaker family. The Slaymakers settled in the on the White Chimneys plantation, in an area near the later Leacock and Pequea Churches. The area later became largely PA Dutch and Mennonite but this early group received one of the first grants in a valley in westerm Chester County in 1710 via Penn and included a curious early German imigration party there. The Slaymakers have some marriages to my Scottish lines such as Humes, Hamiltons and McIlvaine and included some prominent lawyers in Lancaster County. There are extensive archives of old family papers at the Lancaster County Historical Society. I tried posting something last week about the Boyd estate detailed extensively in those archives but it didn't make it to the list. I'll resend that later. One outline of that 1710 Palatine related immigration can be found here: http://members.aol.com/SHelveston/Ferree.html A much more detailed history of that area including many surnames in the party can be found here along with an explanation of why the German Stasburg township was ignored and included in Leacock when Lancaster County was formed even thouhg Strasburg predated the county by more than a decade: http://www.horseshoe.cc/pennadutch/places/pennsylvania/lancasterco/townships /strasburg/strastwp.htm I just wanted to share it as it's an early Palatine group that, as the second document notes, appeared largely undocumented in early years but is likely to account for a cluster of German surnames relevant to those reasearching early German families in PA.

I don't think there is any doubt he is one and the same as the wife's name is the same, marriage date and place the same, and his birthdate the same - just too much coincidence there to be a different guy! George's grandson William married Mary Thornbrough, my 1st cousin six times removed so I guess that makes me not actually related to the Hodgson's except for William's line. But I also had a second interest: Mary Thatcher's mother was Hannah Dicks and the Dicks family turned out to be related to a number of people I was researching in Mercer County, Illinois for a web site I have up there. That web site was about two townships in the county where I was documenting the neighbors of a number of my relatives. I learned an enormous amount just from how their neighbors lived and their various interactions. I think I believe an article that was recently in our local newspaper about if you go back far enough everyone on earth is related - and it is surprisingly not that far back either! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gwen Boyer Bjorkman" <gwenbj@seanet.com> To: "Nadine Holder" <nadineholder72@ssvecnet.com> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:27 PM Subject: RE: [PaOldC] ship records of TRANSPORTED JACOBITE REBELS, 1716 > Hi Nadine: Well, it is my theory that it is the same George Hodgson. I'm > not sure anyone else > holds to my theory. He must be both of our ancestors. My line is through > Susanna Hodgson who m. > William Hiatt. What is your line? I know we have corresponded before, > but can't remember if it was > on the Hodgsons. > > Gwen Boyer Bjorkman > gwenbj@seanet.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nadine Holder [mailto:nadineholder72@ssvecnet.com] > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 7:55 PM > To: PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PaOldC] ship records of TRANSPORTED JACOBITE REBELS, 1716 > > > Very interesting! George who married Mary Thacher later died in Guilford > County, North Carolina but he is the one that married at Old Swede's. > Nadine Holder > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gwen Boyer Bjorkman" <gwenbj@seanet.com> > To: <PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 5:47 PM > Subject: RE: [PaOldC] ship records of TRANSPORTED JACOBITE REBELS, 1716 > > >>I do believe that George Hodgson on this list was later in Chester Co, PA. >>He is also listed in >> this book below with many other prisoners and this list tells who the >> prisoners were sold to off of >> the ship. >> >> 1716 George HODGSON being a Rebel Prisoner and coming in the ship Good >> Speed on the 18 Oct 1716. >> Sold to John Nelty. Harry Wright Newman, To Maryland From Overseas >> (Baltimore: Genealogical >> Publishing Company, 1985) p. 5. >> === >> Somehow George Hodgson gained his freedom before the normal term of >> indenture would have been >> finished. >> === >> Chester Co. PA Tax Lists Film #0543396 >> HOGGIN, George 1720-21New Garden nonresident Land >> HODGIN, George 1721 New Garden nonresident Land >> HODGIN, George 1722 New Garden >> HODGSON, George 1729 London Grove >> HODGSON, George 1730 London Grove >> HOGENS, George 1732 London Grove >> HODGIN, George 1734 London Grove >> HODGIN, George 1735B London Grove >> HODGIN, George 1735/36 London Grove >> HUGES, Jonathan 1732 London Grove - Freeman >> HUGHS, Jonathan 1735/36 London Grove - Freeman >> === >> Deed- 13./14 Mar 1722 100 acres granted to George Hodgson by William Penn >> commissioners and George >> sold to Samuel Culberson 6 Apr 1736 >> === >> George HUDSON married Mary TATCHER 21 Feb 1729 at Old Swedes Church in >> Wilmington, New Castle Co, >> DE. Delaware Historical Society, Historical Society of Delaware Papers, >> volume 9-9a(1890), p. 309. >> Mary HODGSON condemned her marriage by a priest 2, 4m, 1729 at New Garden >> Monthly Meeting, Chester >> County, Pennsylvania. >> === >> >> Gwen Boyer Bjorkman >> gwenbj@seanet.com >> > > > > ==== PA-OLD-CHESTER Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribing. To leave PA-old-chester-l, send mail to > PA-old-chester-l-request@rootsweb.com > with the single word unsubscribe in the message or subject slot." > > > NO VIRUS WARNINGS - if you are concerned contact me PERSONALLY > ferg@ntelos.net > > please visit the Chester Co rootsweb site...it is full of area photos, > helpful URLs and lots of > county information > http://www.pa-roots.com/~chester/ > > Visit the archives for this list to view old postings > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=PA-OLD-CHESTER > If you have ANY problems, do not send them to the list > contact me personally....list manager ferg@ntelos.net > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > >

Does anyone have a good explanation as to how the early friends meetings reckoned dates.It is my understanding that their fiscal year started in March as the first month of the year.Being the first month was it called March or January?It can be very confusing when records show different birth dates for the same person (usually 3 months apart and sometimes a different year).I also understand that at a later time they tried to correct the records and many errors crept in. Did all monthly meetings follow the same rules? Lew Smedley

Please remember....any and all queries must contain several components..... 1) a full name - that is, both given and surname 2) some sort of a date...often times the resource may cover hundreds of years and contain the same name in different centuries, so a date for you ancestor, even if approximate, lets the volunteer rule out some of the name found 3) geographic location (unless implicit in the resource) Another thing to remember is that fair usage, under copyright, does NOT include a 'blanket lookup....that is, "tell me everyone with the surname Smith." You need to request 2 or 3 FULL names only. Copyright is tricky and we need to err on the side of legal. Sandra -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006

Without some sort of proof that these Georges are one and the same, I think it would seem more likely that the Chester Co George was an ancestor of the area's original Hodgson emigrant, Robert, who emigrated here because he was a persecuted Quaker in England....he was in New Amsterdam by 1655 after being physically abused and then banished from New England for practicing his Quaker religion. by 1692, land was sold in Concord, in 1694....in the early 1700s a Robert Hodgson was taxed on land on Conestoga Creek and later lived in Md,....in 1715 he owned land in East Nottingham, called 'Hodgson's Choice'. S. Very interesting! George who married Mary Thacher later died in Guilford County, North Carolina but he is the one that married at Old Swede's. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006