If you are looking for the name CHRISTMAN from the Phoenixville area you might find something at the following site: Chester Co., PAGenWeb Archives. I took digital images of the record books from six churches in Phoenixville. They show births, baptisms, congregants, marriages and deaths -- there are over 15,000 entries. Go to the site and then to churches and look on the right side for those submitted by Link Davis. Happy Hunting, Link ----- Original Message ----- From: <Elizhlists@aol.com> To: <Kskm212@aol.com>; <PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [PaOldC] OldC] Isaac Christman > In a message dated 11/10/2006 11:29:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, > ferg@ntelos.net writes: > this, on Isaac Christman...March 3, 1859, Isaac was listed as one of the > board of directors for the Bank of Phoenixville...so,that might be a good > place to direct your search > > > > As Sandra says it might be good, but I think you need to figure just where > he > was married, Vincent is a big area and not too much of a name for a church > <G> But the Vincents, East and West are where almost all of the local > Christmans > were from even into 1960. I don't find him in 1850. But I did find Sophia > <G> > and thus he > > Name: Isaac Christman and of course son Jacob, listed as a blacksmith. > There isn't a William shown with the family > Age: 49 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801 > Birth Place: Pennsylvania > Gender: Male > Home in 1850 > (City,County,State): Pottsgrove, Montgomery, Pennsylvania > > Name: Sophia Christman > Age: 37 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813 > Birth Place: Pennsylvania > Gender: Female > Home in 1850 > (City,County,State): Pottsgrove, Montgomery, Pennsylvania > Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: Pottsgrove, Montgomery, > Pennsylvania; Roll: M432_799; Page: 64; Image: 128. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - Release Date: 11/10/2006 > >

The testimony of the Monthly Meeting at Gwynedd, in the county of Philadelphia, in Pennsylvania, concerning our Friend, Ellis Pugh, the Author of the following Treatise. The Lord, out of his great Mercy hath long forbore, and often called after us, and in some measure opened our Eyes to see the Emptiness and vanity which we followed, and at that time in a concern for our souls, endeavoured to seek the way to please God. And in the beginning of our assembling together in this condition to wait upon the Lord, it pleased him to prepare our Friend and Countryman, Ellis Pugh, to be a serviceable instrument in his hand, to cherish and instruct us in meekness and tenderness, to obey that which God make knows unto us of his will, and to follow and understand the operation of his Spirit, discovering to us the snares of the enemy of our soul, his good will, and loving Care (among others that were fitted for the same service) hath been a more profitable means in the Hand of the Lord, towards directing and edifying of us in the Way of Truth, than the ministry we had been under from our youth; for by the tenderness and influence which came as dew upon our souls, while we sat under his ministry, we believed his doctrine was of God. He continued with the same diligence in his service, until he felt in his heart the need to visit his country-people in his native land. We believe his visit was acceptable, where there was an open door to receive it. After his return, his service and often visits to us were profitable.. It is with us to make some mention of the Lord's Dealings with him, concerning which, we have observed, that the Lord was near unto him in the time of his trial. After his return home, three of his children, in the flower of their age, dyed within one month, who from their youth walked orderly and hopeful. He mourned not as one without hope. Strength was given him to bear his affliction. He said, if he could bear his affliction acceptable in the sight of God, it would be as marrow to his bones; which testimony was publick, to the comfort of the hearers, in a publick meeting, amongst several other things, which was to edification. His residence was then nearer to us than before, which render'd his life and conversation more conspicuous, and his fellowship more known unto us. He was of a meek and quiet spirit, considerate and solid in his judgment, of few words, and his inclination was to support love and unity amongst all, more especially in the household of faith; honest and careful in his calling, lest he should give just cause to make any uneasie, which induced several to speak of the good they received by his chaste conversation; and his loving and comfortable expectations while he was amongst them, in their several families, his memory will not soon wear out. At the time we had notice of the departure (out of this life) of our Friend Griffith Owen, (a man worthy of being remembered in the Church and country, whose name is of good savour in the publick place where he lived, because of his religious behavior in his calling among the people of every Rank) at that time he was taken sick, which by degrees proved his dying sickness. This sickness continued for about a year and 3 months, to that he was not well able to follow his calling. In the mean time, his natural life grew weaker; but his candle (to wit, the light of his soul) shined brighter as the impartial reader may see, and feel his love and good-will in the following treatise, as his last will, and loving salutation to his countrypeople, the Britains, which he with his own hand wrote in his own language, at the time of his long sickness, when the object of his view was towards that which pertains to eternity, more especially to those, or for the sake of those to whom the salutation of his life reached over sea and land, for the encouragement and instruction of them that were seeking the way to Sion, the New Jerusalem, the City of the Great King, whose walls and Bulwarks are salvation. There were many among the profesors of Christianity, that speak and write concerning her glory by study and premeditation, to gather thro the strength of human learning and wisdom, to hold forth the beauty and excellence of her, even the Lamb's wife. Thou shalt see, if thou readeth impartially, what he tasted and felt of the good work of life, and of the way that leads to the Father, in which (we believe) he rested, and laid down his head in peace. In the time of his sickness, when he could walk about, near his end, he visited us, to wit, the meeting he was among us, weak in body, but fervent in spirit, with a great deal of love and tenderness, as one taking his last leave, saying that the Lord granted him his desire to come and visit us once more; often putting in mind to keep in love and unity, and to keep out from amongst us, as such as we could, all strife and discord; and when any thing appeared, which had a tendency thereunto, that hands should be laid without delay, to end it. And that none should depend upon his own hand, eye or ballance in judgement. He was fitted to councel others, because his life and conversation was answerable to his testimony, amongst his family tender and careful to counsel them to live in the fear of God. We looked upon him, and our thoughts were concerning him, that he was as one who had finished his work; and that the time of his dissolution drew nigh; and that he might say, in the words of Paul, according to his measure, I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the Faith. Hensforth there is laid up for me a Crown of Righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge shall give me at that day; and not to me only, but unto all them also that live his appearance. Signed in the behalf of the said Meeting by John Hugh Edward Foulk John Humphrey Edward Robert Hugh Griffith Meredith David Thomas Pugh Rowland Ellis David Meredith Thomas Evan Robert Evan Owen Evan Cadwalader Evan Robert Jones Evan Evans John Evans -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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The testimony of the Monthly Meeting at Gwynedd, in the county of Philadelphia, in Pennsylvania, concerning our Friend, Ellis Pugh, the Author of the following Treatise. The Lord, out of his great Mercy hath long forbore, and often called after us, and in some measure opened our Eyes to see the Emptiness and vanity which we followed, and at that time in a concern for our souls, endeavoured to seek the way to please God. And in the beginning of our assembling together in this condition to wait upon the Lord, it pleased him to prepare our Friend and Countryman, Ellis Pugh, to be a serviceable instrument in his hand, to cherish and instruct us in meekness and tenderness, to obey that which God make knows unto us of his will, and to follow and understand the operation of his Spirit, discovering to us the snares of the enemy of our soul, his good will, and loving Care (among others that were fitted for the same service) hath been a more profitable means in the Hand of the Lord, towards directing and edifying of us in the Way of Truth, than the ministry we had been under from our youth; for by the tenderness and influence which came as dew upon our souls, while we sat under his ministry, we believed his doctrine was of God. He continued with the same diligence in his service, until he felt in his heart the need to visit his country-people in his native land. We believe his visit was acceptable, where there was an open door to receive it. After his return, his service and often visits to us were profitable.. It is with us to make some mention of the Lord's Dealings with him, concerning which, we have observed, that the Lord was near unto him in the time of his trial. After his return home, three of his children, in the flower of their age, dyed within one month, who from their youth walked orderly and hopeful. He mourned not as one without hope. Strength was given him to bear his affliction. He said, if he could bear his affliction acceptable in the sight of God, it would be as marrow to his bones; which testimony was publick, to the comfort of the hearers, in a publick meeting, amongst several other things, which was to edification. His residence was then nearer to us than before, which render'd his life and conversation more conspicuous, and his fellowship more known unto us. He was of a meek and quiet spirit, considerate and solid in his judgment, of few words, and his inclination was to support love and unity amongst all, more especially in the household of faith; honest and careful in his calling, lest he should give just cause to make any uneasie, which induced several to speak of the good they received by his chaste conversation; and his loving and comfortable expectations while he was amongst them, in their several families, his memory will not soon wear out. At the time we had notice of the departure (out of this life) of our Friend Griffith Owen, (a man worthy of being remembered in the Church and country, whose name is of good savour in the publick place where he lived, because of his religious behavior in his calling among the people of every Rank) at that time he was taken sick, which by degrees proved his dying sickness. This sickness continued for about a year and 3 months, to that he was not well able to follow his calling. In the mean time, his natural life grew weaker; but his candle (to wit, the light of his soul) shined brighter as the impartial reader may see, and feel his love and good-will in the following treatise, as his last will, and loving salutation to his countrypeople, the Britains, which he with his own hand wrote in his own language, at the time of his long sickness, when the object of his view was towards that which pertains to eternity, more especially to those, or for the sake of those to whom the salutation of his life reached over sea and land, for the encouragement and instruction of them that were seeking the way to Sion, the New Jerusalem, the City of the Great King, whose walls and Bulwarks are salvation. There were many among the profesors of Christianity, that speak and write concerning her glory by study and premeditation, to gather thro the strength of human learning and wisdom, to hold forth the beauty and excellence of her, even the Lamb's wife. Thou shalt see, if thou readeth impartially, what he tasted and felt of the good work of life, and of the way that leads to the Father, in which (we believe) he rested, and laid down his head in peace. In the time of his sickness, when he could walk about, near his end, he visited us, to wit, the meeting he was among us, weak in body, but fervent in spirit, with a great deal of love and tenderness, as one taking his last leave, saying that the Lord granted him his desire to come and visit us once more; often putting in mind to keep in love and unity, and to keep out from amongst us, as such as we could, all strife and discord; and when any thing appeared, which had a tendency thereunto, that hands should be laid without delay, to end it. And that none should depend upon his own hand, eye or ballance in judgement. He was fitted to councel others, because his life and conversation was answerable to his testimony, amongst his family tender and careful to counsel them to live in the fear of God. We looked upon him, and our thoughts were concerning him, that he was as one who had finished his work; and that the time of his dissolution drew nigh; and that he might say, in the words of Paul, according to his measure, I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the Faith. Hensforth there is laid up for me a Crown of Righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge shall give me at that day; and not to me only, but unto all them also that live his appearance. Signed in the behalf of the said Meeting by John Hugh Edward Foulk John Humphrey Edward Robert Hugh Griffith Meredith David Thomas Pugh Rowland Ellis David Meredith Thomas Evan Robert Evan Owen Evan Cadwalader Evan Robert Jones Evan Evans John Evans -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Mal, we've corresponded before about these Pugh ancestors of ours.....here is some, on the original PA emigrant, Ellis Pugh (who was married to Sinah). As an aside, my husband and I took a little trip last week, to see some of the area where our Pughs moved to, after leaving Chester Co. They were some of the group of Friends who moved down the Shenandoah Valley, in Va.....they 'stopped off' just north of Winchester, and helped establish the Hopewell meeting...it's still a viable meeting, and the MH is beautiful....very much like those stone ones I saw in Chester Co. My line of Pughs were in the area of Frederick Co and Hampshire Co, WV till the line 'daughtered out', when my last Pugh, Rachel, married Mishel Jenkins, also from a family that started out in Chester Co, and moved to Ohio, in 1802. Descendants of Ellis ap Hugh Pugh 1 Ellis ap Hugh Pugh b: August 1656 in Parish of Dolegelly, County of Merioneth, Wales d: 03 December 1718 in Philadelphia, PA .. +Sinah ? b: Abt. 1660 in Dongelly, Merionethshire, Wales m: Abt. 1675 in Wales d: 1745 Several Pugh families emigrated from Merioneth County, Wales during the 1680 - 1701era, including Ellis ,Robert, and David Pugh. It is believed that they were related,based on naming and migration patterns, associations, religion and place of origin in Wales. The Back Creek Pugh's, (of Berkeley County (W) Virginia) were descendents of Ellis Pugh(1656 - 1718). The name Pugh is derived from the Welsh name "ap Hugh". Ellis Pugh was born in the sixth month 1656 in Merioneth County, Wales. His father died before he was born and his mother died several days after his birth. At age 18,he was converted to Christ through the testimony of a Quaker named John ap John. In 1680, he took part in the Ministry of the Gospel of Christ. Ellis was affiliated with the Society of friends during this time. Members of his religious society were severely persecuted and sometimes killed because of their religious beliefs and practices. Villagers in Ellis's hometown conducted witch hunts among the Friends. Witches were put to death. Ellis's fiancee was a victim of one on these witch hunts. She was allegedly placed in a "dunking chair" by the Villagers, to test whether she was a witch or not. His fiancee drowned after an extended period of submersion in the water. Apparently the religious persecution drove Ellis Pugh Sr. to search for another place to Live. He along with about 100 neighbors decided to emigrate to America. The trip was organized by Rowland Ellis. Ellis Pugh, his wife Sinah and their three children, boarded the ship Amity, which left Milford Haven, South Wales, on October 16, 1686, heading for Pennsylvania. A storm blew the ship from it's intended course and they ended up in Barbados, where they spent 6 weeks before arriving in Philadelphia in April of 1687. Many persons died enroute to America, " of want." The family settled near Philadelphia in the Welsh tract, where they helped establish the Merion Monthly Meeting, which was named after the Shire in Wales. However, Ellis was associated also with the Radnor Monthly meeting as attested by the church records. In 1706 he visited his native Wales,where he ministered for almost two years, and tried to locate relatives before returning to Pennsylvania. Shortly after his return , three of his Young children died of disease, which tested and strengthened his faith. Ellis Pugh wrote the first book in the Welsh language that was printed in America. The title of this book was Annerch Ir Cymru, which was a religious and philosophical treatise on life and service. The English translation of the title was Salutation to the Britons. The publisher was Andrew Bradford, who was the father-in -law of Benjamin Franklin. It was first published in in Philadelphia, in 1721. English editions were reprinted in 1727,1732,1739,and in 1793. Rowland Ellis, who also sailed on the Amity, was the translator for Ellis Pugh's book. The book is very rare and it is located in the libraries of Swarthmore College and Duke University. Ellis Pugh Sr. died near Philadelphia on the third day of tenth month, 1718. Soon after his death, subscriptions were solicited in the Radnor Monthly Meeting to underwrite publication cost of the book. A record says," who in the time of his long sickness had composed diverse religious points contained in a few sheets accommodating to the understanding of illiterate, mean, people which he earnestly desired he might be published in the British tongue and sent to his native country Wales as friends might see service." Ellis' earthly occupation was stone mason, but he ministered 44 years for his heavenly reward. I have a photocopy of Ellis's book, although as it is in Welsh, I am unable to read it.....it just seemed right, though, for an ancestor to have it! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mal Humes" <mal3@mal.net> To: "'Sandra Ferguson'" <ferg@ntelos.net> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:55 PM Subject: Pugh family Thanks, Sandra. That Pugh info looks like a great reference for me. I had a gut feeling we had to have some relationship given all the intermingling of early Quakers in the Chester area. My records are still a mess, but what I show is Ellis Pugh Sr., Ellis Pugh Jr., Sinah Pugh m. Mordecai Walker, and the Walker family had migrated to Ohio by William Walker b.1776 in VA and died in Ohio. After three more Walker generations my grandfather Malcolm H. Dill is born to Camilla Louise Walker and Howard A. Dill. Not sure of you're aware of the photos on this page of what appears to be an old Pugh estate pre Pennsylvania: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~northing/pugh/pics/EllisPughHmPics0.ht ml Best regards, Malcolm -----Original Message----- From: Sandra Ferguson [mailto:ferg@ntelos.net] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:59 PM To: Mal Humes Subject: Re: [PaOldC] who knew who, and how? My Pugh origins are the same.....here is my Pugh/Jenkins in progress data, I recently sent to a Jenkins 'cousin' of mine. By the way, I'm sure you know that our first Pugh had published, by B. Franklin's father in law, the first book in the Welsh language here in the states.....it was, of course, a religious tract......I have a copy, but not the Welsh version, but an English addition put out later. Good luck with the Masons....it was a WONDERFUL leap forward for me...the death dertificate data allowed me to 'get' my great grandfather back to Chester County and opened up the whole world of Quakers, etc for me..... S. Generation 1; George Morgan and wife Catharine Jenkins Generation 2; Mishael Jenkins and wife Rachel Pugh Generation 3; Jacob Jenkins and wife Elizabeth Rogers; Thomas Pugh and wife Ann -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.22/238 - Release Date: 1/23/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - Release Date: 11/10/2006

In a message dated 11/2/2006 7:11:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, elijahf1@earthlink.net writes: A second question is simpler: where is the Great Valley? Simpler??? LOL The Great Valley runs from above Downingtown to Philly (tho I think Paoli) <G> it is big but not as big as the Great Valley that starts in NYS and runs to become the Shenandoah Valley. Eliz

In a message dated 11/10/2006 11:29:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, ferg@ntelos.net writes: this, on Isaac Christman...March 3, 1859, Isaac was listed as one of the board of directors for the Bank of Phoenixville...so,that might be a good place to direct your search As Sandra says it might be good, but I think you need to figure just where he was married, Vincent is a big area and not too much of a name for a church <G> But the Vincents, East and West are where almost all of the local Christmans were from even into 1960. I don't find him in 1850. But I did find Sophia <G> and thus he Name: Isaac Christman and of course son Jacob, listed as a blacksmith. There isn't a William shown with the family Age: 49 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801 Birth Place: Pennsylvania Gender: Male Home in 1850 (City,County,State): Pottsgrove, Montgomery, Pennsylvania Name: Sophia Christman Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813 Birth Place: Pennsylvania Gender: Female Home in 1850 (City,County,State): Pottsgrove, Montgomery, Pennsylvania Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: Pottsgrove, Montgomery, Pennsylvania; Roll: M432_799; Page: 64; Image: 128.

Hi Daniela, Welcome to the list. Pugh is a common contraction of ap Hugh. Price also could be ap Rees, or just Rees. The Welsh names and naming convention can get pretty confusing and difficult to research if you haven't already discovered some of the tricks to it. The patronymic naming system would have Hugh's son Evan known as Evan ap Hugh. This looks like your line of Pughs here. www.peugh.com/america.html I think I'm connected to this Radnor part of the tree somehow via a Sinah Pugh but I have to check the relationships, I don't have this handy. For David to have died in Radnor pretty likely means he was a Quaker in the Welsh tract that included Radnor. There were other welsh tracts that were more inclined to be Baptists, and many Quakers converted to Baptist and other faiths around 1690-1710 in the aftermath of the Keithian schism in the early Quaker meetings. Gwynedd Meeting was another early Welsh meeting and there are some great histories and genealogy profiles on their web site. Also there are about 9 files of Welsh family info in the cemetery listings of Chester and Delaware County that are based on records from Merion Meeting, with families that tend to be connected to Radnor and Gwynedd also. See: http://www.gwyneddfriends.org/History.htm http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/delaware/cemeteries/ (Merion files) There are some fairly good land records out there somewhere as far as lists and some early maps of the various Welsh companies that purchased land from Penn. Radnor is left blank on one of the early maps that covers the rest of the region but I've seen a decent map of early land plat that I should be able to locate again. My father lives on what was I think Evans land in Radnor on the north end of Radnor-Chester Rd, so I'm familiar with the area even though I no longer live in Radnor. Here is Radnor Meeting on a map - <http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Radnor+Meeting,+Radnor+PA> will get you there. The Meeting is not under the Interstate, though that was the original plan. It's at about 8 O'clock from the marker to the southwest. If you zoom in a bit you can see the network of old roads to Darby, West Chester, Conestoga, Lancaster Pike, etc. There are early, unmarked graves and unreadable headstone fragments at Radnor Meeting (Radnor Chester and Conestoga Rds, Radnor (now more or less Wayne) PA. Radnor Meeting records should be at Swarthmore college and are probably summarized in Hinshaw's Quaker Encyclopedia of old family records. www.QuakerMeetings.org is a good source to locate meeting record of Quakers. www.QuakerRecords.com is in the process of putting a lot of old books online for free. There is a great Quaker list called Q-R or QUAKER-ROOTS-L that is also Rootsweb. A search of www.Rootsweb.org should turn up some references. There's a new mailing list search feature there that is a lot nicer than the old system that only allowed you to search a specific year of a list at a time. You probably also can locate accounts of your early Quaker families in Wales before they migrated. Do a search at the Digital Quaker <http://esr.earlham.edu/dqc/> book collection look for the two volumes of "Collection of the sufferings of the people called Quakers". Most name searches will find references in these huge volumes detailing the harassment of Quakers in all parts of the world from around the 1660's to about 1700. The accounts of beatings, jail sentences, court hearings, deportations to Barbadoes and Jamaica and deaths from any of the above make for some fascinating reading to help understand why Pennsylvania was founded. Supposedly if you had ancestors in the US before 1750 you have a 50% likelihood of early Quaker ancestors. These two volumes could offer some critical clues to connect old world and new world families in your research. Have fun. Mal, in warm and sunny North Carolina, soaking in the fall colors

The completed 1790 Lancaster census http://www.rootsweb.com/~cenfiles/pa/lancaster/1790/ for all the Pa genweb archives; http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/pafiles.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - Release Date: 11/10/2006

I have included the following, on the Chester Co site, concerning the origins of PA...... "The Quaker religion was founded by George Fox in about 1650, in England. In this period there was constant struggle between the predominant religious groups, all of whom wished to have their religion accepted by governmental authority and be declared the state religion. Not only were there religious reasons for this, but monetary as well. The religion that was the state religion could collect a tithe from each citizen, whether they were members of that religion or not. This caused much difficulty for those who belonged to other faiths, those who wished their hard earned money to go to the religion of their choice, rather than one chosen for them by their ruler. By the 1600s, there were several hundred different religious sects in England, the Quakers being only one of this number. Quakers refused to give tithes to state churches and would not take oaths to the crown, thus making them targets of any standing government. Their religious beliefs prevented them from lending any support, either personal or monetary, to any group who engaged in physical violence, for theirs was a religion that embraced pacifism. As governments kept, and used armies, Quakers could neither, by the tenants of their faith, lend support, in any way; nor pledge allegiance to any but God, thus doubly angering the government. In 1681 the land which is now Pennsylvania was given to William Penn to settle a huge debt owed to his father, by the King of England. William Penn, a devout Quaker, used this land grant to create Pennsylvania as a Quaker colony, thus beginning the present day Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. The early Quakers, in general, came from England, Wales and Ireland...those from Ireland were NOT, however, of the Irish race. Rather, they were English Friends who had first emigrated to Ireland in the hopes of escaping the religious persecution they experienced in England...so, although referred to as Irish Quakers, they were not Irish in the true sense of the word, but displaced Englishmen who lived for a while in Ireland....and, because of the differences in their religions, the Irish and Quakers did not intermarry.... Unfortunately, the English Friends faced the same problems in Ireland, so many of them then came on to Penn's Quaker commonwealth in the New World. They were some of the earliest Quakers to arrive, coming in the late 1600s, not long after the arrival of Penn, in 1682, aboard the Welcome. The Swedes preceded the Quakers in the area, and I included the following, also on the Chester Co site... " The Swedes were the first white men to settle in the area of SE Pa, beginning in 1637-8, with an expedition to the Schuylkill River. From then, till 1655, Sweden equipped 13 passenger ships , with the destination of the South Delaware River. Altogether about 800 settlers started out, and 600 actually reached their destination, the settlement that came to be known as New Sweden. The colony almost ended in 1651, when Governor Peter Stuyvesant erected a fortified town, in present New Castle, under the auspice of the Dutch West India company...... ( What we tend to forget is that never were we dealing with a large group of people, and those that signed petitions or joined mutinies, etc, were groups of 50 and 60 men), and by 1654 the population of New Sweden had been reduced to 70. Later that year the Governor reported back to Sweden that the population of the colony, "including the Dutch and all" was then 368, including both Dutch and the influx of new Swedish emigrants. One group of Swedes made the serious error of landing near Manhattan, where the ship was promptly seized and the cargo confiscated....only 10 of the passengers reached New Sweden, the others remaining in Dutch New Netherlands . So, it is apparent that relations with the Dutch neighbors was touchy, to say the least. In Aug 1655, Governor Stuyvesand sailed up the Delaware with 7 armed ships and 317 soldiers, while the Swedish colony on shore had but 300 settlers. What few Swedish forces there were, were divided between 2 forts, and the governor knew fighting was useless. Thus Fort Trinity and Fort Christina were surrendered, and after this, the GOV. and several of his aides, plus a few soldiers, returned to Sweden....however, 90% of the settlers remained, with the promise of the Dutch Governor, who agreed to recognize what was known as the "Up-River Swedish Nation". After numerous problems in New Sweden, the fate of the colony was finally sealed with the coming of the Quakers, and the William Penn Charter for Pennsylvania. In a letter to England, in 1683, Wm.. Penn observed: "The Swedes inhabit the freshes of the river Delaware...they are a plain strong, industrious people, yet have made no great progress in culture, or propagation of fruit trees, as if they desired rather to have just enough than plenty or traffic. But I presume the Indians made them the more careless by furnishing them with the means of profit, to wit, skins and furs, for rum and such strong liquors. They kindly received me, as well as the English, who were few, before the people concerned with me came among them. I much needs commend their respect to authority and kind behavior to the English; they do not degenerate from the old friendship between both kingdoms. As they are people proper and strong of body, so they have find children, and almost every house full; rare to find one of them without 3 or 4 boys, and as many girls; some 6, 7, and 8 sons. And I must do them that right, I see few young men more sober and aborious." It seems that the Swedes were 'absorbed' into Quaker Pa with few problems., and with their knowledge of the land, and the local Indians, they did much to help the early Quakers become oriented to the new colony, and make the most of what they found here." These, then, are the origins of Pa, as a whole, and the area of Chester, in particular, and the first emigrants. The Scots Irish also made up a goodly portion of locals, but came later, and the following is a bit of their history of emigration....also on the Chester site; " Extensive emigrations from the northern counties of Ireland, by the Scots who had been established there, were principally made at 2 distinct periods of time ; the first, from about 1718 to the middle of the century ; the second, from about 1771 to 1773. These Scots-Irish emigrants landed principally at New Castle and Philadelphia, and found their way northward and westward into the eastern and middle counties of PA. The 1st settlement of Scots-Irish within the present bounds of Chester county was made about the year 1718. They "planted" Presbyterian churches at Upper Octorara, Fagg's Manor, Brandywine Manor, New London and Oxford. The oldest Presbyterian Church in Chester county is "Great Valley" in Tredyffrin twp, where there was a congregation as early as 1710, but which was not regularly organized till 1714. Upper Octorara Church, in Sadsbury twp, one mile north of Parkersburg, was organized in 1720. The prefix Upper was subsequently given to distinguish it from Middle Octorara, in Lancaster Co. The region of the country where Fagg's Manor Church is situated was largely settled by Scots-Irish Presbyterians, and from the first the church has been a strong one. It dates from 1730, previous to which time those who organized it worshipped at Upper Octorara. The church edifice is located in the new corner of what was called Sir John Fagg's Manor, and first called New Londonderry, from the township in which it is located...that name soon gave way to Fagg's Manor. The Rock Presbyterian church was organized in 1720, and has been referred to as "the Rock" since 1787. The New London church was constituted in 1728. The Doe Run Presbyterian Church was organized into a congregation in about 1740. Unionville Presbyterian church was organized in 1829. Brandywine Manor, ecclesiastically known as Forks of Brandywine, was constituted in early times as a part of what later became Upper Octorara. Originally under the care of the Rev. Adam Boyd, it was organized as a separate congregation in 1735, when a house of worship was erected. The early dwellers of Oxford worshiped in other churches, but erected their own in 1725 to 1730. Nottingham Presby church dates from 1802. Much has been posted in the past, on the history of the whole area, so I'd suggest you visit the list archives and do some surfing....there's lots there of interest. If you have German ancestors, they you'll want to 'read up' on them...ditto for particulars such as the American Rev. war in the area, etc. I've also included a good deal on that, on the Chester site. Sandra " I always enjoy your posts that include histories of our early Chester Co. ancestors, but it is becoming very obvious that I seriously need a history lesson. There are too many locations, events, etc., that I can't put in context to fully appreciate." -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - Release Date: 11/10/2006

Hi listers, I always enjoy your posts that include histories of our early Chester Co. ancestors, but it is becoming very obvious that I seriously need a history lesson. There are too many locations, events, etc., that I can't put in context to fully appreciate. Can anyone recommend a book that I might get at my local library, or FHC, that will give me an overall history from the beginning of the colony? thanks, and Happy Hunting! Janice

Other Christmans from Montgomery Co. 5643 Martha Ellen Cheyney,b.Lionville,Uwchlan,4-7-1851;m.St.Paul's Lutheran Church,12-7-1878,Dr.Calvin Kline Christman,b.Bally,Berks Co., Pa.,9-8-1847;d.Reading,2-7-1898;son of Thomas Christman and Lydia Kline,of Niantic,Montgomery Co.,Pa.He is a graduate of the University of Pa.,and settled at Bally,whence he removed in 1891 to Reading;members of Reformed Church of U.S.He fell from a car,1-2-1898,receiving an injury to his spine,which caused his death. Issue: 5643A Daniel Evans,b.Bally,5-26-1880. 5643B Mary Evans,b.same,8-3-1881. 5643C Thomas Cheyney,b.4-17-1887.

I looked for other will mentions of the other names in your posting, but found little. (this includes, Bucks, Berks, Chester, Del, Phil Cos) In Phil. Co, this will is too late to be the one you seek, but with the similarity of some of the names, it may well be in the family you seek; HUGH, ROBERT. Gwynedd, Co. of Philadelphia. January 23, 1759. March 24, 1759. L.234.Children: David, Mary, Jane, William and Ellis. Trustees: Thomas Evans, Evan Jones. Exec: David Hugh.Witnesses: John Jones, John Jenkins, Evan Jones. found in early Chester Court records.....1710 and earlier; 1702/3 David Pugh is mentioned several times as an attorney. 1708-8 David Pugh is listed as constable of Radnor. . 1697 David Hugh came to court concerning an indenture. 1707-8 David Hugh served as constable of Harford (please note that there was a David Hugh and a David Pugh in this year, each serving as constable of different twps...these were different men) As these men were probably Quakers, I'd suggest you look for them in the MM records of those meetings where you suspect they might live..... Sandra " I I am new to this list. My ancestor was Lewis Pugh who immigrated to Virginia in 1695. I recently learned that his father may have been, David Hugh (changed at some point to Pugh) who immigrated to Chester County from Merionethshire, Wales and died in Radnor, Chester County, PA on 8 May 1715." -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - Release Date: 11/10/2006

I don't have information about any of these folks but I have seen the surnames of Jones and Chrisman (without the 't') in Montgomery county. The Bulletin of the Historical Society of Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, Vol. II, Number 3, October, 1940, Norristown, PA, pp. 245-250 provides a transcription of a Jones bible. James Jones married Ann Pusey and they moved from Chester county to Montgomery County (barely - they moved to Valley Forge). Their daughter, Ann Jones, b. 10-25-1821 in East Bradford twp., Chester Co. m. George Chrisman, b. 5-19-1807 to George Chrisman II and Sarah Lane. George III and Ann had 7 children: Wilmer Olin, Richard, Alice Carey, Hannah Jane, Jones B., Charles Sumner, and Horace. George also had 6 children with his first wife, Eliza Bingaman: Mary, Sarah L., John B., George Jr., Anna E. and Edward. Despite the variation in spelling, maybe the George and Sarah (Lane) Chrisman family is worth investigating further? John -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Kskm212@aol.com > Hi all. I am new to this site and am hoping someone can help me with these > 2 brick walls in my family research. I have searched through both Pottstown > and Chester County Historical Societies, along with the usual Internet sites > with no luck finding early records on either.. > > Any suggestions or help with additional information on these people would be > greatly appreciated. Thanks. > - Karen > > ISAAC CHRISTMAN > Need any help anyone can suggest on finding his early records and parents. > Born abt. 1806, died Bet. 1872 - 1886 > 1st Married - Charlotte Acker (daughter of Peter and Sushanna Acker) on 22 > Jan. 1826 in Vincent, Chester County, PA. I have the original marriage > certificate for this marriage. > > > 2nd married - Sophia Langenecker, on 05 Feb 1843 at New Hanover Lutheran > Church, New Hanover Twp., Montgomery County, PA > > 1870 Census - Pottstown, Montgomery County, PA > > > Children: > Mary Ann Christman > Born abt. 1827 > 1880 Census - Mary Ann (53 - single) lived with brother Charles on > Montgomery St. in Pottstown, Montgomery County, PA > 1891 Obit of Sophia Langenecker Christman - Mary Ann lived in Philadelphia > and listed as Mary O'Neal > > Charles Christman > Born March 7, 1833, died March 6, 1914 and buried in Pottstown Cemetery. > Married Phebe Ann JONES on Dec. 22, 1859 in Trinity Reformed Church, > Pottstown, PA > > Jacob Christman > Born abt. 1840 > 1870 US Census - Philadelphia PA > 1880 US Census - Camden NJ > > William Christman > Born abt. 1843 > 1880 Census - Upper Hanover, Montgomery County, PA > > > ABRAHAM JONES (Also found as Abram Jones) > > Need any help anyone can suggest on finding his early records and parents. > Born abt. 1806, died after 1880 > Married Lydia Harlan Meredith Mar. 23, 1827 > > 1870 Census - Lived in Slocum Twp, Luzerne County, PA > 1880 Census - Lived in Slocum Twp, Luzerne County, PA > > > Children: > Hannah - 1829-1887 > Buried in Mt. Zion E R Union Cemetery, Slocum Twp, Luzerne County, PA > > Isaiah - 1831 - 1918 > Buried in Stairville Cemetery, Luzerne County, PA > > Tacy - abt. 1832 - ? > > Israel - abt. 1835 - 1891 > Buried in Pottstown Cemetery, Pottstown, Montgomery County, PA > > Phebe Ann - 1841 - 1886 > > Buried in Pottstown Cemetery, Pottstown, Montgomery County, PA > Married Charles Christman, son of Isaac Christman > > > Anna Elizabeth - 1845 - 1930 > Buried in Forty Fort Cemetery, Forty Fort, Luzerne County, PA > > Winfield - 1848 - 1922 > > Buried in Mt. Zion E R Union Cemetery, Slocum Twp, Luzerne County, PA

I looked in THE HISTORY OF CHESTER COUNTY PA, by Futhey and Cope, and find this, on Isaac Christman...March 3, 1859, Isaac was listed as one of the board of directors for the Bank of Phoenixville...so,that might be a good place to direct your search. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date: 11/4/2006

I did some Will look-ups for HUGH / PUGH in that time frame. Check these out. Tim R. ****** Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834=Philadelphia County, Pa. HUGH, DAVID. Haverford, Chester Co. April 27, 1709. June 9, 1709. C. 160. Children David, Ruth, Mary, Jonathan, Samuel and Caleb. Executrix: Wife Martha. Overseers: Father-in-law Ralph Lewis and cousins David Lewis, William Lewis and Lewis David. Witnesses: Daniel Lawrence, Thomas James, Robert Jones and Henry Lawrence. ****** Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834=Philadelphia County, Pa. HUGH, DAVID. ---. October 23, 1701. B. 484. Not recorded and original missing. Proved October 23, 1701 by Robert Jones and Edward Foulke, two of the witnesses. Letters testamentary to Evan Hugh, the Executor. ****** Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834=Philadelphia County, Pa. HUGH, DAVID CADWALADER ap. November 23, 1700. October 23, 1701. B. 192. Nephew Hugh ap Edward. Numerous debtors all Welshmen mentioned. Original missing. Overseers: Brother Evan ap Hugh and Edward Foulke. Witnesses: Robert John, Edward Griffith, Edward Foulke. ****** Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834=Philadelphia County, Pa. ROBERTS, ELLIS. Gwynedd, Philadelphia County. Labourer. August 18, 1716. October 1, 1716. D. 58. Father Robert Ellis. Sister Catherine and her son John. Churches spoken of at Philadelphia, Oxford and Radnor. Mr. Tolbet, the priest at Philadelphia for service at his burial. Uncle Robert David of Merion; Uncle Edward Rees of Merion; Humphrey Bate; Ellis Pugh; Evan Ellis; Edward Thomas of Merion; Rowland Hugh; Thomas Foulk; Cadder Evan Pugh; Thomas David; Hugh Griffith; Evan Roberts; Robert Humphrey's wife whose name is not given; John Humphrey; Ellis Lewis; Humphrey Jones; Elizabeth Pugh; Gaynor Row; Hugh Jones. Executors: Friends Ellis Pugh and Evan Ellis. Witnesses: Edward Foulke, Ellis Hughe and Hugh Foulke. ****** Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834=Philadelphia County, Pa. BATE, HUMPHREY. Bristol, Co. of Philadelphia. Yeoman. September 2, 1727/8. October 2, 1727. E.61. Wife: Ann. Brother: Joseph. Stepchildren: Hugh and David Pugh. Nephews and Nieces: Margret, Ellinor, Joseph and Humphrey Bate, John and Rebecca Bate, Thomas, William and Jane Bate (in Great Brittain). Friends: John Ellis, Benjamin Jones, Evan Ellis. Grandchild: Anne Jones. Exec: Joseph Bate, Hugh Phug. Witnesses: Samuel Whiteacre (his mark), James Richard (his mark), Edward Rees. ****** Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834=Philadelphia County, Pa. BATE, ANN. Worcester Township, Philadelphia County. Widow. March 10, 1732. March 28, 1739. F.109. Children: Jans (wife of John Ellis), Margaret (wife of John Foulk), David Pugh and Hugh Pugh. Exec: David Pugh, Hugh Pugh. Grandchildren: John and Evan Ellis, Anna Gwyn (wife of John Gwyn), Morris Gwyn, Evan and Daniel Pugh, Anna, Mary and Margaret Pugh. Trustees: Humphrey Jones and Thomas Davies. Witnesses: John Shannon, Mathias Rittenhouse and Thomas Hughes. ****** END......................... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniela Moneta" <dmoneta@cox.net> To: <PA-OLD-CHESTER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 8:42 PM Subject: [PaOldC] David Pugh or Hugh d. 1715 in Radnor, Chester County, PA > Hello Everyone, > > I am new to this list. My ancestor was Lewis Pugh who immigrated to > Virginia > in 1695. I recently learned that his father may have been, David Hugh > (changed at some point to Pugh) who immigrated to Chester County from > Merionethshire, Wales and died in Radnor, Chester County, PA on 8 May > 1715. > Does anyone have information on this David Pugh? He married Catherine > Elizabeth Price who was born 1660. David was the son of Robert Hugh b. > 1610 > and died after 1700 in Gwyedd, Bucks County, PA. I had believed that > Lewis's > parents remained in Wales and was surprised to hear that they may have > settled in Pennsylvania. I would be interested in any information on the > David Pugh or Hugh who died in Chester County in 1715. > > Thank you, > > Daniela in Phoenix > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all. I am new to this site and am hoping someone can help me with these 2 brick walls in my family research. I have searched through both Pottstown and Chester County Historical Societies, along with the usual Internet sites with no luck finding early records on either.. Any suggestions or help with additional information on these people would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. - Karen ISAAC CHRISTMAN Need any help anyone can suggest on finding his early records and parents. Born abt. 1806, died Bet. 1872 - 1886 1st Married - Charlotte Acker (daughter of Peter and Sushanna Acker) on 22 Jan. 1826 in Vincent, Chester County, PA. I have the original marriage certificate for this marriage. 2nd married - Sophia Langenecker, on 05 Feb 1843 at New Hanover Lutheran Church, New Hanover Twp., Montgomery County, PA 1870 Census - Pottstown, Montgomery County, PA Children: Mary Ann Christman Born abt. 1827 1880 Census - Mary Ann (53 - single) lived with brother Charles on Montgomery St. in Pottstown, Montgomery County, PA 1891 Obit of Sophia Langenecker Christman - Mary Ann lived in Philadelphia and listed as Mary O'Neal Charles Christman Born March 7, 1833, died March 6, 1914 and buried in Pottstown Cemetery. Married Phebe Ann JONES on Dec. 22, 1859 in Trinity Reformed Church, Pottstown, PA Jacob Christman Born abt. 1840 1870 US Census - Philadelphia PA 1880 US Census - Camden NJ William Christman Born abt. 1843 1880 Census - Upper Hanover, Montgomery County, PA ABRAHAM JONES (Also found as Abram Jones) Need any help anyone can suggest on finding his early records and parents. Born abt. 1806, died after 1880 Married Lydia Harlan Meredith Mar. 23, 1827 1870 Census - Lived in Slocum Twp, Luzerne County, PA 1880 Census - Lived in Slocum Twp, Luzerne County, PA Children: Hannah - 1829-1887 Buried in Mt. Zion E R Union Cemetery, Slocum Twp, Luzerne County, PA Isaiah - 1831 - 1918 Buried in Stairville Cemetery, Luzerne County, PA Tacy - abt. 1832 - ? Israel - abt. 1835 - 1891 Buried in Pottstown Cemetery, Pottstown, Montgomery County, PA Phebe Ann - 1841 - 1886 Buried in Pottstown Cemetery, Pottstown, Montgomery County, PA Married Charles Christman, son of Isaac Christman Anna Elizabeth - 1845 - 1930 Buried in Forty Fort Cemetery, Forty Fort, Luzerne County, PA Winfield - 1848 - 1922 Buried in Mt. Zion E R Union Cemetery, Slocum Twp, Luzerne County, PA Also researching Acker, Meredith, Webster, Roberts, and Peard in Chester County, PA Also researching Kusek, Tosolt, Kambies, and Shimcot in Luzerne County, PA

Hello Everyone, I am new to this list. My ancestor was Lewis Pugh who immigrated to Virginia in 1695. I recently learned that his father may have been, David Hugh (changed at some point to Pugh) who immigrated to Chester County from Merionethshire, Wales and died in Radnor, Chester County, PA on 8 May 1715. Does anyone have information on this David Pugh? He married Catherine Elizabeth Price who was born 1660. David was the son of Robert Hugh b. 1610 and died after 1700 in Gwyedd, Bucks County, PA. I had believed that Lewis's parents remained in Wales and was surprised to hear that they may have settled in Pennsylvania. I would be interested in any information on the David Pugh or Hugh who died in Chester County in 1715. Thank you, Daniela in Phoenix

In honor of all our brave countrymen who have served with such courage, many of whom have died in the cause of freedom; this is a letter from Washington, writing from Valley Forge, Feb. 15, 1778, to the Continental congress... " I am constrained to inform You that the Situation of the army is most critical and alarming for want of provisions of the meat kind. Many of the troops for 4 days and some longer, have not drawn the smallest supplies of this article. This being the case, it is needless to add, to convince You of their distress they have been on the point of dispersing and without the earliest relief, no address or authority will be sufficient to keep them long together. Their patience and endurance are great, but the demands of nature must be satisfied. I must therefore, Gentlemen, entreat and request your immediate and most active exertions to procure and to forward to Camp as expeditiously as possible, all the provisions of the meat kind which it may be in your power to obtain. I would not have you wait till you collect a large quantity, but wish you to send on supplies as fast as you can get them. The troops must have instant relief or we shall have reason to apprehend the worst consequences. I need not mention to you the necessity of secrecy, in an affair of such delicacy, your own prudence & discretion will point it out. The state of forage is the same with that of provisions and a supply is materially wanted. Without it and very speedily, we shall not have a horse left." This letter was written after Washington, upon starting to go inside to get his own breakfast, found the sentry at his post endeavoring to keep warm stamping his feet and clapping his hands. Said the General - "My good man,have you had anything to eat this morning"? "No sir" was the reply. "Give me your musket, then, and go inside and get some breakfast'', and the commander stood as a guard over his own house, while his wife waited upon the soldier. So, think about these men, today..them and all the countless others who served and died that we might be free. Sandra Pennsylvania Archives is in the process of digitizing all its records.So far it has the Rev War records completed and on line.....and the records can be printed out. http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us/ and follow the links -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date: 11/4/2006

from a lookup; In 1707-8, "Thomas Rowland and Mary his wife lately called Mary Richard...plantiffs . Henry Hastings son and heir of Henry Hastings deceased Defendant. Upon the motion of Thomas Clark attorney to the Plantiffs that the court would a Venditiona in the issue in this fase by reason that the Jury who tried the issue at the last court brought in an insufficient verdict and a Venditiona is accordingly awarded the plantiffs." There are then the names of the jury and the witnesses that have attested to the "truth of the premises say that the plantiffs have sustained damages to the value of 80 lb and costs 6 pence judgment for the plantiffs for the said 80 lb plus the costs of suit."...so, whatever it was he did, caused 80 lb in damages, which was a LARGE sum of money in those days. It was held over, and then, in 1709 Henry "confessed judgment, in person "...and now the "sheriff returns the execution venditioni exponas. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date: 11/4/2006

This is from a fellow list member; I just discovered the publication Overbrook Farm and have asked for an Inter-library loan of this book. It is the most definitive work I've seen on William ap EDWARDS' family. Meanwhile.....has anyone researched the EDWARDS, BEDWARDS in Landerval, near Bala, or Penllyn, Merionethshire, in North Wales with any results? Thank you! Beth Colvin in Florida -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date: 11/4/2006