I think that many of the differences happen when the recorder writes down what he 'hears'.... or thinks he hears the name to be... I have a family will in which the same woman's name is spelled 3 completely different ways - Rollow, Rollo, and Raleigh! That clerk simply could NOT make up his mind.... Recently someone was looking for the name Magoon.....after having spoken with a number Scots I feel sure the name was McGown...it sounds like Magoon as spoken by a Scot. Another of my favorites is Sinkler instead of St. Clair! And when it comes to Germanic names the mind boggles with possibilities! S.

Yes, Magoon (I am looking for this missing 3X great grandmother), McGown, McGowan, McGowen, McGoon, McCune and even Coon! It almost makes it impossible to find the person. Kim On Feb 26, 2010, at 12:44 PM, [email protected] wrote: > I think that many of the differences happen when the recorder writes > down > what he 'hears'.... or thinks he hears the name to be... I have a > family > will in which the same woman's name is spelled 3 completely > different ways > - Rollow, Rollo, and Raleigh! That clerk simply could NOT make up his > mind.... Recently someone was looking for the name Magoon.....after > having > spoken with a number Scots I feel sure the name was McGown...it sounds > like Magoon as spoken by a Scot. Another of my favorites is Sinkler > instead of St. Clair! And when it comes to Germanic names the mind > boggles with possibilities! > S > . > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Sandra, you touch on one of the banes of the persistent researcher. I have found my Frescoln/Frischkorn ancestors under at least 15 variations, and can add these variations on your list, i.e., Stroud, add Strode Tatlee, add Tetley, Tetlee, Tetlie Thompson, add Thompsen, Thomasen, Thomason, Tomson, Tomsen Townsend, add Townshend, Townshand, Towsend Trego, add Traygo, Traigo, Treygo Finding a link often depends on finding the misspelling of the name, and soundex or metaphone may help, but more often, misses the link that creative spelling will find. A look-alike for a word will also find a name, T for F or P, S for A, G, or J, J for I. Lower case m, n, u, e, a, i, o, w, r, s in various combinations can be run together, and sorting out the true order takes a careful eye, and a local knowledge of the names of families consistently listed in that time frame at that place. Older lettering can also add confusion, as in the Deutsch heissen, which like a capital B with a tail, also the English fs, or ff, both intended as ss to our modern ear. I hope this helps. In peace MaryAnn On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 6:14 AM, Sandra Ferguson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Stroud, Stroude > Simption, Simtom, Simton, Simpton > Taklkenton, Talkington, Talkinton, Tolkenton, Tolkington, Tolkinton > Tatlee, Tatle, Tatley > Thatcher, Thacther > Thompson, Thomson, Thomsen, Tompson > Thornbry, Thornbury > Townsend, Townsand, Towns'd, Towsd > Trago, Trego, Triggo, Treggo > Vernon, Verran, Varnon >

I was just doing a lookup in some MM records and skimming the index it was AGAIN made so clear to me, that there are SO frequently multiple surname spellings, that anyone who believes there is only one, is going to be doomed to finding little info on his or her family. Here are but a few that I noted....just from only a page or 2....and there may be other spellings of the same names on other pages....; S. Stroud, Stroude Simption, Simtom, Simton, Simpton Taklkenton, Talkington, Talkinton, Tolkenton, Tolkington, Tolkinton Tatlee, Tatle, Tatley Thatcher, Thacther Thompson, Thomson, Thomsen, Tompson Thornbry, Thornbury Townsend, Townsand, Towns'd, Towsd Trago, Trego, Triggo, Treggo Vernon, Verran, Varnon

Corky, Re: Catherine Parsons. Was she a descendant of Ruth Parsons born 1703 in Northampton Township in Bucks Co., Pa, to Robert Parsons and ?, and who married Joseph Townsend? Kim Spangrude On Feb 20, 2010, at 6:43 AM, Corky Swanson wrote: > > . SARAH5 CHALFANT (ESTHER4 BAKER, AARON3, JOSEPH2, JOHN (JOSEPH)1)1 > was born in Chester, Co, PA, and died Abt. 1825 in Livonia, > Washington, Indiana. She married JAMES REDUS, JR1 1785 in Chester > Co. Pa, son of JAMES REDUS and CATHERINE PARSONS. He was born 01 Aug > 1744 in Cecil Co., Maryland2, and died 05 Oct 1821 in Livonia, > Washington, Indiana. Information came from James Redus Bible. > > I also have a copy of Joseph Baker's will in which he lists his > children. Will be glad to share with anyone researching this family. > > Corky Swanson > > > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) > Database version: 6.14390 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

from a lookup; Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 ARMENT, WILLIAM. Concord.October 8, 1757. July 24, 1761. To son John all the land I live on in Concord containing 50 acres providing maintenance for his mother during life. To son William all wearing apparel. To son in law Jacob Mote and wife Sarah £5. Mentions he 4 grandchildren Thomas, William, John and Jacob Arment.Executors: Son John and friend Nathaniel Newlin Sr.Witnesses: John Palmer, Sr. John Palmer, Jr., William Smith. I checked, and Thomas left no will himself, and the above is the only mention of a Thomas Arment in any area will, in any way...withes, heir, etc. From a book I have, CONCORD TOWNSHIP PENNSYLVANIA, by Case, I am able to trace the 50 acres Wm bought from John Cheevers, 10/1712, to John Arment, in 1757....who, in turn left it in 1798,to Esther Arment. Esther then sold the property to John Newlin (my ancestor), in 1810. The following month Isaac Arment purchased the family farm from Newlin. The Arments were staunch suppoerters of the C of E and John served as a vestryman during the 1760s. This may be found in St John's Church, "Minutes Book". The only mention in Quaker records I find of the name Arment, is when Wm attended a marriage......many folks/neighbors attended Quaker marriages without themselves being Quakers, and I find no other mention of the surname in meeting records. Nor do I find any mention of a Thomas in any of my resources, other than as a grandchild of Wm.

Thanks for the additional notes on Aaron Baker's family. Betty MacDuff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Thompson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [PaOldC] wm chalfant > I've found a little more on the children in The Literary Era: a > monthly Repository of Literary and Miscellaneous Information, Volume > 7, published by Porter & Coates, 1900, University of Wisconsin. > Can't vouch for the accuracy or the source: > > Baker, Aaron, son of Joseph and Martha, b. 2 Dec., 1701, m. 9 mo. 23, > 1727, Mary Edwards, and settled in West Marlborough, Chester Co., but > removed from there to Londonderry Twp., where he died in 1783. > Child.: Mary, m. Thomas Carrington; Martha, m. Joshua Clayton; Esther, > m. William Chalfont; Aaron, m. 5 mo. 30, 1759, Sarah Hayes, dau. James > and Mary, of East Fallowfield; Samuel, of West Marlborough; John, m. 6 > mo. 24, 1767, Hannah Pennock; Joshua, d. unm. > > Esther Baker is said to have been born about 1732, and m. William > Chalfont 27 Nov 1749 in Chester Co., PA. > > On Feb 19, 2010, at 10:46 PM, Sandra Ferguson wrote: > >> I've just gotten my computer back from the shop, so am a bit late >> answering you, Betty...in the mean time, you seem to have been given >> some >> really good advice from others. I know that when I begin >> researching a >> 'new' ancestor, I 'collect' everything and anything I can find on >> the name, >> and it's always amazing how much will 'fit', when the pieces come >> together. >> >> >> "I still have the problem to tying Wm. to his father and mother Esther >> Baker. I would be interested in material on Esther's family" >> >> What I sent you from the BAKERS OF SISSINGHURST AND OTHER >> RELATIVES, >> Pg 26, certainly place a Wm as child of Esther amd W, Chalfant. >> Mary, Martha, Esther, Aaron, Phebe, Alice, William, Sarah, Elziabeth, >> Susanna. (nothing further given on any of these children)." (10 >> children, >> not 12). Below is Esther's line of descent, from the same book; >> these >> Bakers are well documented >> >> 1 Esther baker m.wm chalfant, dau of; >> 2 Aaaron Baker 1701-1783, Edgmont m Mary Edwards, dau John and Mary >> Ingram >> Edwards >> 3 Joseph Baker b. 1674, born Shropshiew, England- d1735 came to >> Pa with >> his uncle >> Joseph Baker sr......Joseph m Martha Woodward 1676-1775, dt. of >> Richard >> and Jane >> Woodward, of Middletown >> >> >> .....there's probably a lot on these folks, in the list archives so >> you >> should check to see. As I say.....they're well documented in the >> area and >> there are many Baker wills . >> >> S. >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2687 - Release Date: >> 02/14/10 >> 02:35:00 >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sandra, Thanks for the data on Esther's background. I see a lot of sites on the internet on that line as well. Once I get my Chalfants squared away, I will do more on them and may want to contact you later. Betty MacDuff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Ferguson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:46 PM Subject: wm chalfant > I've just gotten my computer back from the shop, so am a bit late > answering you, Betty...in the mean time, you seem to have been given some > really good advice from others. I know that when I begin researching a > 'new' ancestor, I 'collect' everything and anything I can find on the > name, and it's always amazing how much will 'fit', when the pieces come > together. > > > "I still have the problem to tying Wm. to his father and mother Esther > Baker. I would be interested in material on Esther's family" > > What I sent you from the BAKERS OF SISSINGHURST AND OTHER RELATIVES, > Pg 26, certainly place a Wm as child of Esther amd W, Chalfant. > Mary, Martha, Esther, Aaron, Phebe, Alice, William, Sarah, Elziabeth, > Susanna. (nothing further given on any of these children)." (10 children, > not 12). Below is Esther's line of descent, from the same book; these > Bakers are well documented > > 1 Esther baker m.wm chalfant, dau of; > 2 Aaaron Baker 1701-1783, Edgmont m Mary Edwards, dau John and Mary > Ingram > Edwards > 3 Joseph Baker b. 1674, born Shropshiew, England- d1735 came to Pa > with his uncle > Joseph Baker sr......Joseph m Martha Woodward 1676-1775, dt. of > Richard and Jane > Woodward, of Middletown > > > .....there's probably a lot on these folks, in the list archives so you > should check to see. As I say.....they're well documented in the area and > there are many Baker wills . > > S. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2687 - Release Date: 02/14/10 > 02:35:00 >

Corky, Thank you for the information on Sarah Chalfant, daughter of William and Esther. I believe that I have seen a copy of Joseph's will online that I can copy later. This list is the best! Betty MacDuff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corky Swanson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 8:43 AM Subject: [PaOldC] Wm Chalfant > > . SARAH5 CHALFANT (ESTHER4 BAKER, AARON3, JOSEPH2, JOHN (JOSEPH)1)1 > was born in Chester, Co, PA, and died Abt. 1825 in Livonia, > Washington, Indiana. She married JAMES REDUS, JR1 1785 in Chester > Co. Pa, son of JAMES REDUS and CATHERINE PARSONS. He was born 01 Aug > 1744 in Cecil Co., Maryland2, and died 05 Oct 1821 in Livonia, > Washington, Indiana. Information came from James Redus Bible. > > I also have a copy of Joseph Baker's will in which he lists his > children. Will be glad to share with anyone researching this family. > > Corky Swanson > > > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) > Database version: 6.14390 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

. SARAH5 CHALFANT (ESTHER4 BAKER, AARON3, JOSEPH2, JOHN (JOSEPH)1)1 was born in Chester, Co, PA, and died Abt. 1825 in Livonia, Washington, Indiana. She married JAMES REDUS, JR1 1785 in Chester Co. Pa, son of JAMES REDUS and CATHERINE PARSONS. He was born 01 Aug 1744 in Cecil Co., Maryland2, and died 05 Oct 1821 in Livonia, Washington, Indiana. Information came from James Redus Bible. I also have a copy of Joseph Baker's will in which he lists his children. Will be glad to share with anyone researching this family. Corky Swanson E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14390 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

I've found a little more on the children in The Literary Era: a monthly Repository of Literary and Miscellaneous Information, Volume 7, published by Porter & Coates, 1900, University of Wisconsin. Can't vouch for the accuracy or the source: Baker, Aaron, son of Joseph and Martha, b. 2 Dec., 1701, m. 9 mo. 23, 1727, Mary Edwards, and settled in West Marlborough, Chester Co., but removed from there to Londonderry Twp., where he died in 1783. Child.: Mary, m. Thomas Carrington; Martha, m. Joshua Clayton; Esther, m. William Chalfont; Aaron, m. 5 mo. 30, 1759, Sarah Hayes, dau. James and Mary, of East Fallowfield; Samuel, of West Marlborough; John, m. 6 mo. 24, 1767, Hannah Pennock; Joshua, d. unm. Esther Baker is said to have been born about 1732, and m. William Chalfont 27 Nov 1749 in Chester Co., PA. On Feb 19, 2010, at 10:46 PM, Sandra Ferguson wrote: > I've just gotten my computer back from the shop, so am a bit late > answering you, Betty...in the mean time, you seem to have been given > some > really good advice from others. I know that when I begin > researching a > 'new' ancestor, I 'collect' everything and anything I can find on > the name, > and it's always amazing how much will 'fit', when the pieces come > together. > > > "I still have the problem to tying Wm. to his father and mother Esther > Baker. I would be interested in material on Esther's family" > > What I sent you from the BAKERS OF SISSINGHURST AND OTHER > RELATIVES, > Pg 26, certainly place a Wm as child of Esther amd W, Chalfant. > Mary, Martha, Esther, Aaron, Phebe, Alice, William, Sarah, Elziabeth, > Susanna. (nothing further given on any of these children)." (10 > children, > not 12). Below is Esther's line of descent, from the same book; > these > Bakers are well documented > > 1 Esther baker m.wm chalfant, dau of; > 2 Aaaron Baker 1701-1783, Edgmont m Mary Edwards, dau John and Mary > Ingram > Edwards > 3 Joseph Baker b. 1674, born Shropshiew, England- d1735 came to > Pa with > his uncle > Joseph Baker sr......Joseph m Martha Woodward 1676-1775, dt. of > Richard > and Jane > Woodward, of Middletown > > > .....there's probably a lot on these folks, in the list archives so > you > should check to see. As I say.....they're well documented in the > area and > there are many Baker wills . > > S. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2687 - Release Date: > 02/14/10 > 02:35:00 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

I've just gotten my computer back from the shop, so am a bit late answering you, Betty...in the mean time, you seem to have been given some really good advice from others. I know that when I begin researching a 'new' ancestor, I 'collect' everything and anything I can find on the name, and it's always amazing how much will 'fit', when the pieces come together. "I still have the problem to tying Wm. to his father and mother Esther Baker. I would be interested in material on Esther's family" What I sent you from the BAKERS OF SISSINGHURST AND OTHER RELATIVES, Pg 26, certainly place a Wm as child of Esther amd W, Chalfant. Mary, Martha, Esther, Aaron, Phebe, Alice, William, Sarah, Elziabeth, Susanna. (nothing further given on any of these children)." (10 children, not 12). Below is Esther's line of descent, from the same book; these Bakers are well documented 1 Esther baker m.wm chalfant, dau of; 2 Aaaron Baker 1701-1783, Edgmont m Mary Edwards, dau John and Mary Ingram Edwards 3 Joseph Baker b. 1674, born Shropshiew, England- d1735 came to Pa with his uncle Joseph Baker sr......Joseph m Martha Woodward 1676-1775, dt. of Richard and Jane Woodward, of Middletown .....there's probably a lot on these folks, in the list archives so you should check to see. As I say.....they're well documented in the area and there are many Baker wills . S. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2687 - Release Date: 02/14/10 02:35:00

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Carol, Thanks. I will keep that in mind. I Googled Grayson County, VA where William and his family supposedly lived from about 1793 to early 1800s when they moved to Ohio. They have a wonderful site where people have transcribed Land and Personal Tax Lists and also found that he was in a County Militia from 1793-1794. This could be where he got his 500 acre land warrant in Ohio. You never know what you will find when you start looking. I've contact them for copies of deeds and possibly a marriage record. We'll see. Thank you all from this list for your help. Betty MacDuff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Thompson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [PaOldC] John Chalfant, Marlborough, 1690-1727 - VERY LONG REPLY > Ginni has given you much excellent advice. I really know nothing of > researching North Carolina or Virginia, but If your methodical search > should happen to lead back to Pennsylvania, there is an online > reference I have found invaluable in helping me to target the specific > documents I wish to request: the finding aid for Land Records, > available online at the Pennsylvania Historical & Museum Commission > web site: > > http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt?open=512&objID=3184&&SortOrder=100&level=4&parentCommID=3162&menuLevel=Level_4&mode=2 > > Additional information is provided on the site regarding obtaining > copies of the documents. If you are lucky, as I was, and find what > appear to be unrelated families, you may also find research partners > in those other lines. Good luck in your search! > > Carol > > On Feb 18, 2010, at 5:38 PM, Ginni Morgan wrote: > >> You are in for a major land record and probate search. Personally, >> my procedure in circumstances like this is to copy EVERY single deed >> for a given surname (and all variants of the surname) (BOTH buyer >> and seller) in the particular county or counties involved. And >> mortgages. And tax list entries. I also copy ALL probate records >> for everyone with the names in question. Then I start to put >> together the families and timelines. I do end up with family trees >> for apparently unrelated families, but sometimes I'm able to find >> where the seemingly unrelated families actually fit in the family >> tree. No information is ever wasted, even if it's only the >> knowledge of who your ancestor ISN'T. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ginni has given you much excellent advice. I really know nothing of researching North Carolina or Virginia, but If your methodical search should happen to lead back to Pennsylvania, there is an online reference I have found invaluable in helping me to target the specific documents I wish to request: the finding aid for Land Records, available online at the Pennsylvania Historical & Museum Commission web site: http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt?open=512&objID=3184&&SortOrder=100&level=4&parentCommID=3162&menuLevel=Level_4&mode=2 Additional information is provided on the site regarding obtaining copies of the documents. If you are lucky, as I was, and find what appear to be unrelated families, you may also find research partners in those other lines. Good luck in your search! Carol On Feb 18, 2010, at 5:38 PM, Ginni Morgan wrote: > You are in for a major land record and probate search. Personally, > my procedure in circumstances like this is to copy EVERY single deed > for a given surname (and all variants of the surname) (BOTH buyer > and seller) in the particular county or counties involved. And > mortgages. And tax list entries. I also copy ALL probate records > for everyone with the names in question. Then I start to put > together the families and timelines. I do end up with family trees > for apparently unrelated families, but sometimes I'm able to find > where the seemingly unrelated families actually fit in the family > tree. No information is ever wasted, even if it's only the > knowledge of who your ancestor ISN'T.

Are there wills available for 1799 that can be accessed? By writing somewhere? Thanks. Betty MacDuff

Betty~ My research only got you back to North Carolina/southern Virginia. Please don't make the assumption that William Chalfant was born in Virginia and then went back to Pennsylvania. Unless you actually have a family bible in which the data was entered at the time of William's birth or a meeting record noting his birth, you are operating on secondary information. He may have thought he was born in VA or one of his descendants that he was born in VA. However, it is much more likely that he was born in PA and the family moved to VA when he was very young. While it is possible that the family started in PA, went to VA and didn't succeed, went back to PA, and then William went to VA/NC as an adult, I really think the pattern didn't include going back to PA in the middle of it. Of course, without seeing your documentation, I'm just blowing smoke here and I'd love to be proved wrong. You are in for a major land record and probate search. Personally, my procedure in circumstances like this is to copy EVERY single deed for a given surname (and all variants of the surname) (BOTH buyer and seller) in the particular county or counties involved. And mortgages. And tax list entries. I also copy ALL probate records for everyone with the names in question. Then I start to put together the families and timelines. I do end up with family trees for apparently unrelated families, but sometimes I'm able to find where the seemingly unrelated families actually fit in the family tree. No information is ever wasted, even if it's only the knowledge of who your ancestor ISN'T. What you are looking for in a deed search: 1) The "residence" or "location" of the purchaser or seller, depending on which category your name fits into. This can tell you where purchaser came from or where seller went to. 2) The name of the spouse of the seller. 3) The same info as above for mortgages. 4) Location or description of property to match up a chain of ownership. You can think of this as a form of title search. 5) In metes & bounds states, make a note of the owners of neighboring property. You may need to expand your deed search to include some of them. 6) In federal land states, check the plat books to see who owned the surrounding property for the same reason as in 5). 7) Releases of property by heirs after a death/probate/administration. Search on "heirs of X" or on the executor/administrator's name. What to look for in a probate/administration search: 1) Names of spouse. 2) Names of heirs. 3) If it's an administration, how much each set of heirs received. You can calculate the total estate from this. You can also tell how many living children or grandchildren there are from this. Also see 7) above as a source of this information. Let me know if you have any more questions. Ginni Morgan >>> Betty MacDuff <[email protected]> 2/18/10 8:10 AM >>> Ginni, I can't thank you enough for the reply you took much time in listing for me on my Chalfants. I believe that the analysis has certainly straightened out when William and Ruth Hunt Chalfant migrated into Highland County, Ohio. A book on cemeteries listed their deaths as William: July 26, 1840 and Ruth as May 9, 1858. I know more now than ever about my husband's ancestor. Now I will try to find a will, if possible, and maybe a land grant he got. I'll keep in touch. I had to read this twice to get it all straight in my mind. Apparently he was born in Virginia in 1768 and his family went to Chester County, Pennsylvania and then he eventually as an adult ventured to VA/NC where he married Ruth Hunt. They all moved around a lot. Betty CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication.

Betty The Chester County archives have many indexes online at http://dsf.chesco.org/archives/cwp/view.asp?a=3&Q=609990&archivesNav=| I'm not sure if this will link directly or whether you will have to copy it and put it in your browser. I checked under Wills/Administrations. There are several dozen Chalfants and Chalfonts listed. However, the only one for a William Chalfant was in 1848. I also checked under Orphans' Court and the same 1848 probate comes up. I also checked under deeds and Sheriff's deeds. I found a William Chalfant as mortgagor in 1767 and 1770 in West Marlborough. In 1788, the Sheriff sold the West Marlborough property of William Chalfant (deceased). There is information on the website regarding ordering copies of the documents. Ginni >>> Betty MacDuff <[email protected]> 2/18/10 1:01 PM >>> Are there wills available for 1799 that can be accessed? By writing somewhere? Thanks. Betty MacDuff ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication.

Sandra, Finally getting around to looking at these emails. I thank you for your time and effort in trying to get me straightened out. I have gotten material from others as you have seen and Wm and Ruth Hunt in Ohio is good. Of course, I still have the problem to tying Wm. to his father and mother Esther Baker. I would be interested in material on Esther's family as she is my husband's 5th great grandmother. Thanks for all your help. Betty MacDuff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Ferguson" <[email protected]> To: "Betty MacDuff" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [PaOldC] John Chalfant, Marlborough, 1690-1727, est'd > Looks like you need to concentrate on William and Ruth....you know nothing > of Wm's parentage or origins...right? Then that's where to > start...anything that comes before that doesn't matter......it's William > that matters. Do you know anything else about him? I gather he lived in > Highland Co, Ohio and saw that he moved to the Fairfield meeting from the > Clear Creek meeting. Do you know when he died? Where he died? > > THE BAKERS OF SISSINGHURST AND OTHER RELATIVES, by McCullough pg 26; > "Children of Esther Baker, dau of Aaron and husband William Chalfant; > Mary, Martha, Esther, Aaron, Phebe, Alice, William, Sarah, Elziabeth, > Susanna. (nothing further given on any of these children)." (10 children, > not 12) > (more on Aaron and Esther Baker on other pages, if you're interested...I > can take you back through the Baker line to long before they came to Pa, > which was in the first 'wave' of Quakers). > > from Futhey and Cope; > "Wm Chalfant had 10 children with wife Esther Baker, dt of Aaron and Mary, > of West Marlborough. All his children married and several went west. > Aaron bought a farm in Londonderry in 1796, where he died Aug 29, 1808. > His wife was a dt of John Wilson who married a Todd. Wm Chalfant, son of > Aaron, born in April of 1798 lived at or near Chesterville, Franklin twp." > The original emigrant was the JOhn I told you of yesterday, who bought > land in Rockland Manor, in 1699....moved there 2 years later. His wife > was Martha...however, he had no son named Wm.....they were Robert, and > John.....no Wm. > There were various other Chalfants in the area, but Futhey and Cope are > unsure that all are descendant from John and Martha. > As these folks were Quakers, get 'cracking' on mm records. As > Rockland Manor then was Birmingham, I'd start there (I looked at all my > and Tim's books , and no Birmingham records, I'm afraid) > > S. > > I can prove through his 4th great grandfather, William Chalfant II who who > married Ruth Hunt using Monthly Meeting report : >> >> 1814, 2, 24. Wm. and w. [wife] Ruth, & ch. [children] Esther, Abner, >> Mary, Aaron, Wm., Jacob, Beulah, Priscilla, Nathan & Jonathan, gct >> [granted certificate to] Fairfield MM, Highland County, near Leesburg, >> Ohio >> >> Aaron is his 3rd great grandfather. >> >> >> >> Data listed but unproven: >> >> William I married Esther Baker and they had 12 children >> >> William I was supposedly the son of John Chalfant of West Marlborough who >> married possibly Martha __?__ >> >> >> >> This information was copied from: >> >> Addington/Chalfant Family History, >> <http://daddington.com/chalfantfamily.htm>, dnld June 24, 2009: >> >> Henry Chalfant and his family apparently stayed in England >> but his son John immigrated to America with his Uncle John. >> >> James Chalfant's father was John Chalfant, born 1690 in >> England. John Chalfant emigrated on >> >> the ship "Canterbury", arriving in the Port of Philadelphia on 30 Nov >> 1699 with his uncle John Chalfant and cousins John Chalfant, born 1689, >> and Robert Chalfant, born 1688. John settled with his uncle John on the >> Brandywine near Birmingham, in Chester County, Pennsylvania. They named >> this land "Rockland Manor". John Chalfant, born 14 Apr 1690, is often >> identified as John Chalfant of West Marborough where he settled. John and >> his wife, name unknown, had sons Joseph, Isaac, Henry, m. 15 Aug. 1742 >> Elizabeth Jackson, James, b. 20 Feb 1717; d. 1 Jan 1808 m. Hannah Harris, >> WILLIAM, and John >> >> >> >> I am trying to find a way to tie the Williams to John who supposedly came >> with Uncle to the colonies in 1699. >> >> >> >> Thanks again. >> >> Betty MacDuff >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2681 - Release Date: 02/11/10 > 02:35:00 >

Ginni, I can't thank you enough for the reply you took much time in listing for me on my Chalfants. I believe that the analysis has certainly straightened out when William and Ruth Hunt Chalfant migrated into Highland County, Ohio. A book on cemeteries listed their deaths as William: July 26, 1840 and Ruth as May 9, 1858. I know more now than ever about my husband's ancestor. Now I will try to find a will, if possible, and maybe a land grant he got. I'll keep in touch. I had to read this twice to get it all straight in my mind. Apparently he was born in Virginia in 1768 and his family went to Chester County, Pennsylvania and then he eventually as an adult ventured to VA/NC where he married Ruth Hunt. They all moved around a lot. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ginni Morgan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [PaOldC] John Chalfant, Marlborough, 1690-1727 - VERY LONG REPLY Betty~ Please excuse the length of this reply. I’m taking an opportunity to provide a little insight into Quaker research outside early Pennsylvania. If you already know this, please forgive me. However, the opportunity to give others an assist in this type of research is irresistable to me and your brickwall illustrates the problems involved very well. I’ll discuss everything first and then list the relevant Hinshaw items below. First off, while the information Carol provides clearly deals with your family, the quote from "Some Quaker families: Scarborough/Haworth, Volume 1" is erroneous, a problem when dealing with secondary sources. It does provide some information, but none of it concerns the couple it purports to be about. However, the errors can be resolved by a close review of Hinshaw’s Ohio records which are extensive. Specifically, the information purporting to be about William and Ruth [HUNT] CHALFONT is actually about their eldest son Abner CHALFONT and his wife Ruth LUPTON. While Sandra wondered if the Ohio records were complete and commented on the fact that the Hopewell MM are exhaustive, I believe the problem she ran into searching for a Ruth HUNT at Hopewell, is that Ruth HUNT didn’t come from there. I suspect the woman who came from Hopewell MM was actually Ruth LUPTON, although I didn’t follow up on this idea. Furthermore, as noted below, it was Abner and Ruth [LUPTON] CHALFONT who went to Clear Creek in 1823, Ruth [LUPTON] CHAFFANT [Chalfont] who was disowned in August 1829 for joining the Hicksites, and Abner & Ruth CHAFFANT who are listed as members of the Fall Creek MM (Hicksite) with five children (Margaret, Sarah, William P., Asa L., & Edwin). Given the information provided by Carol, Sandra’s search of the Hopewell MM, VA, records for any trace of Rachel [HUNT] CHALFANT was the obvious next step. Even without that information, the usual first stop in Ohio Quaker research is a check of the Hopewell records. Hopewell MM was on the main emigration route between eastern Pennsylvania and Maryland and the Ohio Country making it the obvious first place to look for early records of Ohio Quakers. However, there is another route by which Quakers moved into the Ohio territory. Starting in the late 1700s, North Carolina Quakers started moving north into Ohio and Indiana. There were a variety of reasons for the direction of this move, probably foremost among them the Quaker opposition to slavery. By the 1830s, a sizeable number of Quaker meetings in North Carolina had been laid down due to vast majority of their membership having moved on north and west. Those members remaining in the area were attached to the remaining MMs. The original Quaker population in North Carolina came from two different sources. The first was direct migration from England and Ireland to coastal North Carolina. The second route was from the mid-Atlantic colonies down the Shenandoah valley and into southern Virginia and western North Carolina. My first thought upon reading your question was, “what if the Chalfants actually came from North Carolina?” This would not exclude an earlier emigration from Pennsylvania down to North Carolina which would use up that missing 100 years. So I went looking in the Hinshaw records starting in Ohio and moving on to North Carolina. The Ohio extractions are contained in two volumes and are extensive. The North Carolina records are almost non-existant in comparison. Due to the closure of a majority of the meetings, many records were lost at a very early date, and additional records were lost during the Civil War. After an index search of the Ohio records, I found that Ruth CHALFONT was received on certificate at Fairfield MM, on 1808, 12, 31, from (rocf) Mt. Pleasant MM, in Grayson & Carrol Counties, Virginia. Further research in the Ohio records seemed to indicate that this person was the Ruth Chalfont I was looking for. Mt. Pleasant is located on the Virginia/North Carolina border and was set up in 1801 from New Garden MM. A search of the the North Carolina volume for Ruth found her leaving Westfield MM, Surry (& adjoining) Count(ies), North Carolina, to go to Mt. Pleasant MM, Virginia, where she was received on certificate on 1807, 1, 31. Westfield MM is also on the Virginia/North Carolina border. At this point we run into one of the major problems of Quaker research in the Southern States, lack of records. The total available Westfield records are contained in one volume of birth, death and marriage records and one volume of men’s meeting minutes from 1786 to 1828. There are NO women’s records in existence. The records for Mt. Pleasant are in similar shape with only one volume of birth, death & marriage records and one volume of women’s records. There are NO men’s records. Ruth is the only Chalfont mentioned. In fact her reception into and her departing from Mt. Pleasant are the only mentions of the name Chalfont in any spelling in the Hinshaw North Carolina records. However, there are a number of mentions of the name Hunt in the records there, including a reference to the family of Abner HUNT (wife Mary, children Ruth Jacob, Priscilla, Thomas, Elizabeth, Jemima, Ann & Josiah) be received at Westfield MM on 1792, 4, 21, on certificate from New Garden MM (Guilford County, NC), marriage of Abner HUNT to Mary POPE on 1771, 1, 16, at New Garden MM, and the birth of their daughter Ruth HUNT on 1771, 10, 15 at New Garden MM. Note the similarity of given names. I believe that it would pay you to focus on land record and probate research for Chalfonts and Hunts in the vicinity of New Garden, Mt. Pleasant and Westfield MMs. Also, probate research in Ohio may pay off if Ruth CHALFONT (the elder), really was the Ruth HUNT mentioned above and if her parents moved to Ohio as well. Back in Ohio, it appears that Ruth CHALFONT was active in meeting and, four years after arriving, as Ruth CHAFFANT we find her listed as a charter member and overseer of the Clear Creek MM when it was set off from Fairfield MM on 1812, 12, 24. It is interesting to note that a Rachel HUNT (relationship unknown) was charter member and clerk of the new meeting. Four months later, on 1813, 4, 22, William CHAFFANTand ten children (Esther, Abner, Mary, Aaron, William, Jacob, Bulah, Priscilla, Nathan H., and Jonathan B.) were received into meeting upon request. This request is usually made by a member of the family for another family member, i.e. parent for child, one spouse for another, etc. Thus, it appears that in 1813 Ruth was a Quaker in good standing, but for some reason her husband and children were not. On 1814, 2, 24, William and Ruth CHALFONT and all ten of their children were granted a certificate back to Fairfield MM where they were received on 1814, 3, 26, with the surname CHALFINCH . On 1818, 11, 11, William and Ruth’s eldest son Abner marries Ruth LUPTON at Fairfield MM. There are now two Ruth CHALFONTS in Fairfield MM. Five years later, on 1823, 3, 29, Abner CHALFONT & w (Ruth) & children (Margaret b. 1819 & Sarah b. 1821) are granted a certificate to Clear Creek MM. From this point on, Ruth Chalfont (wife of William) is the only Ruth CHALFONT in Fairfield MM and her daughter-in-law Ruth CHALFONT (wife of Abner) is now in Clear Creek MM. On 1829, 8, 8, at Clear Creek MM, Ruth CHAFFANT is disowned for joining Hicksites [dis jH]. Although the records don’t seem to indicate that Abner CHAFFANT was disowned by the Clear Creek MM, he later shows up in the Fall Creek MM (Hicksite) records as a member along with his wife Ruth and five children. Finally, starting on 1830, 4, 24, with William CHALFONT, most of William’s remaining family were disowned for joining Hicksites [dis jH]: 1830, 7, 25, William Jr. CHALFONT (3rd son); 1830, 7, 31, Elizabeth CHALFONT (wife of son Aaron); 1830, 11, 27, Jonathan CHALFONT (5th son); 1830, 11, 27, Nathan CHALFONT (6th & youngest son); 1830, 11, 27, Ruth CHALFONT (wif e); 1831, 1, 29, Jacob CHALFONT (4th son). To summarize, it appears that William and Ruth [HUNT] CHALFONT were probably married in Virginia or North Carolina in the mid 1790s and had children there before emigrating north to Ohio in 1808 where they probably had more children. Ruth appears to have been a member of meeting in good standing as she carried a certificate from Mt. Pleasant MM to Fairfield MM, although her husband and children were not members until received upon request in 1813 at Clear Creek MM in Ohio. Ruth CHAFFANT was a charter member and an overseer of Clear Creek MM in 1812. In 1814, William & Ruth moved their membership back to Fairfield MM where they stayed until they were disowned in 1830 for joining the Hicksites. No mention of any further Quaker membership is mentioned, either Orthodox or Hicksite. In 1818, their oldest son Abner married Ruth LUPTON, and in 1823, Abner & Ruth moved to Clear Creek MM where they remained members until Ruth was disowned in 1829 for joining the Hicksites, following which they became members of the Fall Creek MM (Hicksite). Extractions from Hinshaw’s Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy , Vol. V (Ohio Monthly Meetings) & Vol I (North Carolina Yearly Meeting) (HUNT research not included in list): Westfield MM, NC - 1807, 1, 10 - Ruth CHALFONT gct [granted certificate to] Mt. Pleasant MM, VA Mt. Pleasant MM, VA - 1807, 1, 31 - Ruth CHALFONT rocf [received on certificate from] Westfield MM, NC Mt. Pleasant MM, VA - 1808. 8, 27 - Ruth CHALFONT gct Fairfield MM, OH Fairfield MM, OH - 1808, 12, 31 - Ruth CHALFONT rocf Mt. Pleasant MM, VA Clear Creek MM, OH - 1812, 12, 24 - set off from Fairfield MM, Ruth CHAFFANT was listed as a charter member of the meeting and as an overseer. Rachel HUNT is listed as women’s clerk Clear Creek MM, OH - 1813, 4, 22 - William CHAFFANT & children Esther, Abner, Mary, Aaron, William, Jacob, Bulah, Priscilla, Nathan H., & Jonathan B. recrq [received on request] Clear Creek MM, OH - 1814, 2, 24 - Wm. CHALFONT & w, Ruth & children Esther, Abner, Mary, Aaron, Wm., Jacob, Beulah, Priscilla, Nathan, & Jonathan gct Fairfield MM, OH Fairfield MM, OH - 1814, 3, 26 - William CHALFINCH & w, Ruth & ch. [Esther, Abner, Mary, Aaron, Wm., Jacob,Beulah, Priscilla, Nathan, Jonathan] rocf Clear Creek MM, OH Fairfield MM, OH - 1818, 11, 11 - Abner CHALFONT, s. Wm. & Ruth, Highland Co., O.; m. at Fairfield; Ruth LUPTON, dt Asa & Hannah, Highland Co., O. (Margaret, b. 1819, 10, 2 [Fairfield MM, OH], Sarah, b. 1821, 8, 15 [Fairfield MM, OH]) Fairfield MM, OH - 1820, 12, 16 - Esther CHALFONT m. Hezekiah CARR Fairfield MM, OH - 1823, 3, 29 - Abner CHALFONT & w & ch, gct Clear Creek MM, OH Clear Creek MM, OH - 1823, 4, 12 - Abner CHAFFANT & w, Ruth & ch Margaret & Sarah rocf Fairfield MM, OH Fairfield MM, OH - 1825, 5, 28 - Aaron CHALFONT gct Clear Creek MM, OH to m. Elizabeth BARRIX Fairfield MM, OH - 1825, 5, 28 - Aaron CHALFONT gct Clear Creek MM, OH Clear Creek MM, OH - 1826, 4, 8 - Aaron CHALFANT rocf Fairfield MM, OH Fairfield MM, OH - 1827, 1, 27 - William Jr CHALFONT con mcd Fairfield MM, OH - 1827, 1, 31 - Bulah M. CHALFONT m. Gerrard LADD Clear Creek MM - 1827, 5, 12 - Aaron CHALFANT & w, Elizabeth & dt Mary gct Fairfield MM, OH Fairfield MM, OH - 1827, 6, 30 - Aaron CHALFONT & w, Elizabeth & dt Mary rocf Clear Creek MM, OH Fairfield MM, OH - 1829. 1, 31 - Aaron CHALFOND & fam gct White Water MM, OH; returned 1829, 6, 27, because of their rem. back Clear Creek MM, OH - 1829, 8, 8 - Ruth CHAFFANT dis jH Fairfield MM, OH - 1830, 4, 24 - William CHALFONT dis jH Fairfield MM, OH - 1830, 7, 25 - William Jr. CHALFONT dis jH Fairfield MM, OH - 1830, 7, 31 - Elizabeth CHALFONT dis jH Fairfield MM, OH - 1830, 11, 27 - Jonathan CHALFONT dis jH Fairfield MM, OH - 1830, 11, 27 - Nathan CHALFONT dis jH Fairfield MM, OH - 1830, 11, 27 - Ruth CHALFONT dis jH Fairfield MM, OH - 1830, 12, 29 - Priscilla CHALFONT m. Samuel MYERS Fairfield MM, OH - 1831, 1, 29 - Jacob CHALFONT dis jH Please l et me know if you have any questions regarding any of the above. I’d be happy to share some more of what I’ve learned about North Carolina/Virginia/Ohio Quaker research. Ginni Morgan Sacramento, CA >>> Betty MacDuff <[email protected]> 2/11/10 1:24 PM >>> OK, I'll try again. Forgot about the non-listing of attachments. I can prove through his 4th great grandfather, William Chalfant II who who married Ruth Hunt using Monthly Meeting report : 1814, 2, 24. Wm. and w. [wife] Ruth, & ch. [children] Esther, Abner, Mary, Aaron, Wm., Jacob, Beulah, Priscilla, Nathan & Jonathan, gct [granted certificate to] Fairfield MM, Highland County, near Leesburg, Ohio Aaron is his 3rd great grandfather. Data listed but unproven: William I married Esther Baker and they had 12 children William I was supposedly the son of John Chalfant of West Marlborough who married possibly Martha __?__ <snip> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. 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