A friend just sent me this..... Do interesting, with old familiar Chester names.......enjoy! Sandra http://www.countylinesmagazine.com/article.aspx?aid=543 Sent from Sandra's iPod ????
Good morning all... I understand the land records for Delaware County from 1790s to mid 1980s are in a separate system at the Recorder of Deeds office in the Government Center in Media. I called them to see how to access them, or how easy it might be to access them. The response was that they were all in the computer...Grantor/Grantee accessible via Last Name and First Name initial, and a date range of 10 years or so. This sounds like the county has some very basic indexing to retrieve the records. What have your experiences been retrieving early (1790s-1840s) deed records from the Recorder of Deeds in Delaware County? Anyone? Thanks. George Kirlin
I posted that for the lady who transcribed them. Rowland is both first and last name. I feel sure there is more somewhere about the Thomas family but I don't have any of that <G> Eliz On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:34 AM, marsha moses <mosesm@earthlink.net> wrote: > I found the following archived message in our archives: I have two totally separate questions to ask.....first one is the name Rowland. Is it a surname used as a first name? Or is Rowland a given name used often in Welsh naming patterns? > > > Second question: Is there more information about the Abel Thomas and wife Elizbeth Humpries? I am particularly interested in a list of their children. marsha moses > From: EHanebury@aol.com > > Subject: [PaOldC] Merion Meeting (Pa. ) Burial Records > Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 20:30:10 EST > > > Still More with LOTS more to come > Eliz > > > > > > > > Incomplete Burial Record of > > > by > Margaret Harvey, A.M. > > > > > ..... > Rowland John Evans, son of Thomas John Evan, buried 5th Mo. 31, > 1698. (Thomas Sion Evan.) > ..... > 10, 3. 1731. John Thomas of Merion son of Thomas of > Glamorganshire, Wales; - and Esther Pugh, dau. of John of White Marsh, at > Merion Meeting House. Wit: Elizabeth and Abel Thomas; Margaret, > Elizabeth and Mary Pugh; Jonathan and Joseph Jones. > 1, 21, 1690. Philip Evan, batchelor, of Radnor, - and Sarah > Thomas, spinster, of Merion, at Hugh Robert’s, Merion. Wit: David Evan; > Abel Thomas; John and Benjamin Humphrey; Cadwallader Morgan. > 2, 23, 1712. Simon Thomas of Blockley, - and Cicely Thomas of > Merion, Phila. Co. at Merion Meeting House. Wit: Abel Thomas; Evan > Bevan; Ellis Pugh; Edward Rees. > > Sarah Thomas, daughter of Abel and Elizabeth Thomas, born 8 Mo. 1, > 1697, was buried 9 Mo. 7, 1698. > > Another Sarah Thomas, daughter of Abel and Elizabeth, was born 4 > Mo. 1699. Births recorded at Merion Meeting. > > Abel Thomas of Merion, Batchelor, and Elizabeth Humphreys, of the > same twp., spinster, at the public meeting place at Merion, 3 Mo. 19, > 1693. witnesses, Rees and Katharine Thomas; David and John Humphreys. > On List for 1693. (Tax list) Susq. List 1696. > Abel Thomas was an early purchaser in Merion. His purchase > included part of the tract of John ap Thomas and Edward Jones, near the > present “City Avenue.” Also part of the purchase of John Watkins (1682) in > the Liberty Land (Blockley Township) See Penna. Archives, 3 r Series, Vol > I p. 3. > Abel Thomas evidently belonged to the same family as Rishiart ab > Thomas ab Rhys, as he, Abel, was the first-named witness at Richard’s > wedding: 8, 6, 1720. Richard Thomas of Merion and Elizabeth Jones, dau. > of Thomas of Radnor, dec’d, at Radnor Meeting House; Wit: Abel, Elizabeth > and Sarah Thomas; Lowry, Jonn, Joseph and Richard Jones; Rowland Ellis and > Rowland Ellis, Jr. > Further relationship is shown by Abel’s acting as witness to other > weddings. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Without knowledge of the parents, you're not going to be able to know the origin of his given name...however the way the welsh naming pattenrn went; a man named John Rowland, has a son, and that son would be named with John as his surname....thus his name would be, for instance, Reece John.... Rowland or Rowlan might be a maternal surname used as a given name. The child of Roland Evans would, using Welsh naming, be named, for instance, Cadlallader Rowland......father's given name becomes child's surname. I've found a good many wills in Philly that include mentions of the name Rowland Evans.....if interested, let me know. The Able Thomas included in Father and Cope is not the same one you mentioned..this one was married several times and the son of Peter and Elizabeth Thomas, b.1711. S. "I found the following archived message in our archives: I have two totally separate questions to ask.....first one is the name Rowland. Is it a surname used as a first name? Or is Rowland a given name used often in Welsh naming patterns? Second question: Is there more information about the Abel Thomas and wife Elizbeth Humpries? I am particularly interested in a list of their children. "
I found the following archived message in our archives: I have two totally separate questions to ask.....first one is the name Rowland. Is it a surname used as a first name? Or is Rowland a given name used often in Welsh naming patterns? Second question: Is there more information about the Abel Thomas and wife Elizbeth Humpries? I am particularly interested in a list of their children. marsha moses From: EHanebury@aol.com Subject: [PaOldC] Merion Meeting (Pa. ) Burial Records Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 20:30:10 EST Still More with LOTS more to come Eliz Incomplete Burial Record of by Margaret Harvey, A.M. ..... Rowland John Evans, son of Thomas John Evan, buried 5th Mo. 31, 1698. (Thomas Sion Evan.) ..... 10, 3. 1731. John Thomas of Merion son of Thomas of Glamorganshire, Wales; - and Esther Pugh, dau. of John of White Marsh, at Merion Meeting House. Wit: Elizabeth and Abel Thomas; Margaret, Elizabeth and Mary Pugh; Jonathan and Joseph Jones. 1, 21, 1690. Philip Evan, batchelor, of Radnor, - and Sarah Thomas, spinster, of Merion, at Hugh Robert’s, Merion. Wit: David Evan; Abel Thomas; John and Benjamin Humphrey; Cadwallader Morgan. 2, 23, 1712. Simon Thomas of Blockley, - and Cicely Thomas of Merion, Phila. Co. at Merion Meeting House. Wit: Abel Thomas; Evan Bevan; Ellis Pugh; Edward Rees. Sarah Thomas, daughter of Abel and Elizabeth Thomas, born 8 Mo. 1, 1697, was buried 9 Mo. 7, 1698. Another Sarah Thomas, daughter of Abel and Elizabeth, was born 4 Mo. 1699. Births recorded at Merion Meeting. Abel Thomas of Merion, Batchelor, and Elizabeth Humphreys, of the same twp., spinster, at the public meeting place at Merion, 3 Mo. 19, 1693. witnesses, Rees and Katharine Thomas; David and John Humphreys. On List for 1693. (Tax list) Susq. List 1696. Abel Thomas was an early purchaser in Merion. His purchase included part of the tract of John ap Thomas and Edward Jones, near the present “City Avenue.” Also part of the purchase of John Watkins (1682) in the Liberty Land (Blockley Township) See Penna. Archives, 3 r Series, Vol I p. 3. Abel Thomas evidently belonged to the same family as Rishiart ab Thomas ab Rhys, as he, Abel, was the first-named witness at Richard’s wedding: 8, 6, 1720. Richard Thomas of Merion and Elizabeth Jones, dau. of Thomas of Radnor, dec’d, at Radnor Meeting House; Wit: Abel, Elizabeth and Sarah Thomas; Lowry, Jonn, Joseph and Richard Jones; Rowland Ellis and Rowland Ellis, Jr. Further relationship is shown by Abel’s acting as witness to other weddings.
Happily, I also live in the small town of Edenton, NC where 'the day' is celebrated with several gatherings and remembrances and where 'the memo' has also not surfaced, or more probably, ignored in favor of patriotism and tradition. Candy Roth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Folkerth" <folkerth1@sbcglobal.net> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 11:14 PM To: "PaOldCh" <pa-old-chester-l@rootsweb.com>; "George" <smedley.george@att.net> Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Armistice Day > Well, some communities continue the tradition. My lake community in Van > Zandt County, Texas, commemorated the day ... today ... with just such a > ceremony. The community has been doing this at least since my wife and > I built our lakehouse at Callender Lake in 1996. I guess the country folk > in East Texas have not yet received the memo that such events need not be > memorialized. > > DICK FOLKERTH > Dallas and Callender Lake > > --- On Sun, 11/11/12, George <smedley.george@att.net> wrote: > > From: George <smedley.george@att.net> > Subject: [PaOldC] Armistice Day > To: "PaOldCh" <pa-old-chester-l@rootsweb.com> > Date: Sunday, November 11, 2012, 10:09 AM > > Back in the 1930's my father and I would walk to the "National Cemetery on > Limekiln Pike on Armistice Day.At 11:00 A.M. they would blow all the > sirens and everyone would stop what they were doing for one minute and > with hand over heart honored the fallen soldiers.What ever became of that > tradition? >
Well, some communities continue the tradition. My lake community in Van Zandt County, Texas, commemorated the day ... today ... with just such a ceremony. The community has been doing this at least since my wife and I built our lakehouse at Callender Lake in 1996. I guess the country folk in East Texas have not yet received the memo that such events need not be memorialized. DICK FOLKERTH Dallas and Callender Lake --- On Sun, 11/11/12, George <smedley.george@att.net> wrote: From: George <smedley.george@att.net> Subject: [PaOldC] Armistice Day To: "PaOldCh" <pa-old-chester-l@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, November 11, 2012, 10:09 AM Back in the 1930's my father and I would walk to the "National Cemetery on Limekiln Pike on Armistice Day.At 11:00 A.M. they would blow all the sirens and everyone would stop what they were doing for one minute and with hand over heart honored the fallen soldiers.What ever became of that tradition? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Here"s an article by writer Jake Simons in Great Britain Maybe this answers the question. Every year, I feel a mounting sense of awkwardness as Armistice Day approaches. It's fine when attending a ceremony, but there are occasions where I'm going about my business in a public place when 11am comes around. Standing to attention, in silence, seems like the right thing to do. But nobody else does it, so I end up feeling like a lemon - not an ideal emotion for these solemn two minutes. If the Israelis can commemorate their dead in such a unified and sombre fashion, why can't we do it in Britain? Can't we pause the flow of daily life for just two minutes of contemplation? Even the televisions do not have the dignity to fall silent.
I think you're right, Eliz, on that being the cause. To my mind the signifigance of many important events is lost by turning them into meaningless Monday holidays. In this vein, why not celebrate all birthdays on the 1st Mon. of each month and anniversaries on the last? Not much different than lumping several Presidents together and giving them the same birthday! Why can't these people and these momentous events have their own special time. The following is the poem written by a soldier that WAS in Flander's field....read it and disagree that it deserves it's moment of silence. S. In Flanders fields the poppies blow Between the crosses, row on row, That mark our place; and in the sky The larks, still bravely singing, fly Scarce heard amid the guns below. We are the dead. Short days ago We lived felt dawn saw sunset glow Loved, we're loved, and now we lie In Flanders fields. Take up our quarrel with the foe: To you from failing hands we throw The torch:be yours to hold it high If ye break the faith with us who die We shall not sleep, though poppies grow in Flanders fields. by John McCrea > "It lasted into the 1970's when Veterans Day became the Monday always holiday and quite suddenly the minute of silence seems to have gone away. "
Back in the 1930's my father and I would walk to the "National Cemetery on Limekiln Pike on Armistice Day.At 11:00 A.M. they would blow all the sirens and everyone would stop what they were doing for one minute and with hand over heart honored the fallen soldiers.What ever became of that tradition?
It lasted into the 1970's when Veterans Day became the Monday always holiday and quite suddenly the minute of silence seems to have gone away. Well with the exception of ceremonies at cemeteries. Eliz On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:09 AM, George <smedley.george@att.net> wrote: > Back in the 1930's my father and I would walk to the "National Cemetery on Limekiln Pike on Armistice Day.At 11:00 A.M. they would blow all the sirens and everyone would stop what they were doing for one minute and with hand over heart honored the fallen soldiers.What ever became of that tradition? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
For those of you too young to remember the 50s you may not be aware of the origin of Armistice Day or Veterans Day. We have celebrated Armistice Day on the 11th day of the 11th month,for that was the moment of the cease fire, of WWI. The treaty officially ending the war took place in 1919, a year afrer the cease fire. This commemoration was begun by the British, who suffered tremendous losses, for a total of 3,190,235...any of you who have visited GB will recognize the enormity of losses for such a small island. We, Americans didn't enter the war till much later and our losses, while terrible (323,018, don't come close to the unbelievale loss felt by the Beitish... We Americans observed the day from the late teens. and I well remember during the 50s, veterans on every street corner, selling wonderful red paper poppies with the proceeds going to the Veterans organization. These were in recognition of the wild poppies that grew in Flanders, where so many allied soldiers died. Then, in '54, the name was changed in the US, to Veterans' Day, to include all Americans who loose their lives in all wars. So, spare a few moments tomorrow morning at 11 AM to think of those brave souls who gave their all for each and every one of us. Sandra
> Parts of letter from Rev. Adres Sodnell coming to America: Volume 34 PA Magazine > > > After leaving Stockholm in the ship two months on the way between Sweden and England, from the 21st ofAugust to the 17th of October [1701]. > When we came to Virginia we dropped anchor at a place called > Patuxent, where the ship had to clear customs, etc. This was on a > bay (a broad inlet Virginia and Maryland, and is two Swedish miles long, though > becoming ever narrower. It runs to the west of north, is called > Kesenpigg widest point. > Up these waters we sailed, through Virginia and into Maryland, > where, on March 1, we came to anchor at a place called Herring > Bay. And there I left the ship. > This Herring Bay is a place where Englishmen dwell, here and > there along the shore, planting tobacco and nothing else. They > don't take time to sow grain, except for a little wheat and maize. > They drink water, and most of them have a very hard life. Those > who possess greater means and are of a higher standing buy > cornand malt from Pennsylvania. Tobacco is to them what cabbage is > to Sweden. Tobacco isn't expensive there, but the cost of getting it > from skalpund.(though ways of doing so could be found). Secondly, if a person > should be permitted to send over one hogshead [sic] England is high, and it > sells for 3 ore, in copper coin, a36 First, it is forbidden to send over a small > quantity[literally, "oxhead"],about 200 dr., > to be paid just for freight to London, after the English King takes > for each pound 18./., copper coin, in duty. > From Herring Bay I went by shallop to a little town called > Annapolis, which is in Maryland. The Governor of Maryland > lives there. > On March 10 we arrived at Bohemia, and were guests of an > Englishman who had a Swedish wife. She spoke pure Swedish, but > he taught their children English. > From this point I now had to proceed by land, although I sentmy baggage across, > in a cart, to the bay called Delaware River, > which runs to Pennsylvania. Here the land is narrowest, not more > than one Swedish mile, and there are always boats to carry goods > to Philadelphia. 37 copper coin, reckoned in Swedish money, would have[wijk]) > which goes up into the country through[Chesapeake], and is about 7 Swedish miles > across. > When I first got here I engaged board and room for three weeks > in Philadelphia Town, in order to become acquainted with the > English and also because I found, as soon as I arrived, much work > to do in connection with the approaching Easter holy days. I stayed > in the home of a physician, Dr. Sober, > also had room and board. > After this I moved into the parsonage at Passyunk, which lies > three quarters [of a Swedish mile] from the church, > my meals to the home of a Swedish widow, Maria Rambo, > for board alone, 5 dr., copper coin, every week. > Philadelphia is, a very pretty town, not more than 20 years old, > but having, nevertheless, 500 large, stone houses and many > distinguished people. The governor and his court, the mayor, > the magistrates, officers, secretaries, lawyers, etc., and many merchants, > go splendidly dressed, and all those who are of the English > Church, or Protestants, are very friendly toward us. They are > exceedingly sorry to have Magister Rudman leave them. > > Our Swedes, of whom there are over ninety families, or households, > in my congregation, are for the most part prosperous, praise God! > for this is a very fruitful land for wheat, rye, corn, and oats, which > they sell to the English for a good price. One of our people is a > magistrate, and sits in the court in town here. > They till the fields, dress very nicely, live soberly, and are > diligent in their work. > Everything here is very costly, and most expensive of all, or > nearly so, are laborers. One cannot hire a farmhand for a year, if he > is to clothe himself, for less than 300 dr., copper coin. There aren't > many, however, who employ farmhands, for they have another > means, bought slaves, or bondmen, whom they call servants. Most > of these come from England. > To such matters as the weather and food and drink. I can > find no difference between the food and drink here and that in > Sweden except that here they have a greater variety of good beverages. > One, made from apples, is called > flip, punch, etc., which they make of beer or water, spirits, and sugar. > It is now quite warm here, but I can remember many times when > I have felt it just as warm in Sweden. > I haven't had much fish, although it is plentiful here—herring, > for example, as large as Swedish bream, and perch in three varieties, > one that is not red. The red perch is therefore called Swedish perch. > Neither the tiny Baltic herring nor salmon is found here. > Among the birds there are no larks, but most of the other kinds found. > There are gray and black squirrels, but no red ones. > > As for the savages, they are of different tribes, those who live in > Pennsylvania being of one tribe, those in Maryland of another, etc., > and they speak differently and so one cannot understand the other. > These in Pennsylvania really have no government at all. > They wear a square piece of cloth, red or blue, thrown around their > body, covering their loins. Otherwise they are naked. All of them > smear themselves all over with an oily substance, bear grease, which > makes them brown. When they wish to adorn themselves for coming > into town they daub broad red streaks across their faces and paint > themselves accordingly. And then they think they look pretty fine. > They have only one wife, but when the husband no longer loves > her he abandons her and takes another. > They cradle their children between two boards put together on > their back. All the savages have very straight, fine bodies. > Do you wonder how these heathen folk survive the winter, when > it gets so cold here, and they go so bare? When a child is little the > mother takes it every morning to some place where there is water > with ice, and washes the child in the cold water, to toughen it. > These are quite hardy people, and they eat all sorts of coarse food > have no horses, cows, goats—only swine; and they maintain > themselves by fishing. > The men go off into the forest and stay the > whole winter, five or six months at a time, hunting, and then in the > spring they come home and sell the skins to the Christians. > The men do not concern themselves about farm lands, but then > they don't care to cultivate much ground, only enough so that they > can plant a little maize. > The forest wilderness is so great that these savages tell many times > of running for three or four months toward the west without finding > any sea. A savage runs so hard in the forest he could tire out a horse > in a day, being able to keep on running all day without faltering.can > always find their way, wherever they are. Even if they > were in wild forest a hundred miles away and left something there, > they could find it again the next year. > A Swede, when he was a little boy, went out to pick berries in the > forest, and a savage seized him. Now he lives among these wild > heathen and won't return. > No one can persuade a savage to become a servant to a Christian. > They are more loyal to us than to the English. When some Swede > arrives and the heathen hear of it, they come and take him by the > hand. They are so faithful to the Swedes that if one of them should > hear that a Swede was in any kind of danger he would be willing to > run a hundred miles to warn him. > [Canada], Virginia, etc., are said to have better order, with > these savages have houses made of bark instead of logs. Their money > is red and brown stones, small and round, which they string on a cord. > What I have written about the heathen applies only to those who > live in Pennsylvania. >
Dora and Barclay I found these references to the New London Academy. Publication: VILLAGE RECORD Date: January 9, 1866 History NEW LONDON ACADEMY.- We learn that this time honored Institution, located at New London in this county, has again been opened after a lapse of some time, by the appointment of the Rev. JAMES L. MACKEY, as Principal. Mr. M. was one of its former pupils, but for the past sixteen years a Missionary at Cousco, on the Western Coast of Africa, but not being able to bear up against the climate, has returned to his former home and to the genial work of the instruction of youth. Under his care it will no doubt again take its place beside the many first class institutions of the kind for which our county has become renowned. This Academy is a part of the history of our country, and as such we refer to it. In 1739 the Rev. Dr. Francis Alison established here a Classical School . In 1741 it was adopted by the Synod of Philadelphia who made it a free school , supported by its churches, and continued Dr. A. its Principal. - He was a famous teacher of that day, and among his pupils who became distinguished, were Charles Thompson, Secretary of the First Continental Congress, Rev. Dr. Ewing, Provost of the University of Pennsylvania, Dr. David Ramsey, the Historian, Dr. Hugh Williamson, Rev. Dr. James Latta, Thomas McKean, Governor of Pennsylvania, George Read and James Smith, the three latter eminent lawyers and signers of the Declaration of Independence. On the removal of Dr. Alison to the College at Philadelphia in 1752, this school was removed to Newark, Delaware, and out of it afterward grew the Delaware College at that place. What may be considered the modern New London Academy, was established in 1828, and was in successful operation many years, a number of eminent men have presided over it. Our worthy townsman Wm. F. Wyers, A.M., who is now the Principal of our popular West Chester Military Academy, had charge of it a number of years. In his time, 1849, it was burned, but speedily replaced with a superior building on the same site. This school has exerted an excellent influence upon the community in which it is located, by raising its standard of intelligence. Besides this, many hundreds of youth from this and other States shared in its advantages by obtaining an extended education. Very many of them deserve well of their country, whether as professional men, teachers, farmers, men of business or veteran heroes of the Army and Navy - among whom may be mentioned our own lamented Lt. Col. Thos. S. Bell, Major H.W. Caruthers and a host of other warriors, who have battled for the rights of the nation or laid down their lives in its defence. Publication: VILLAGE RECORD Date: September 11, 1860 Biography THOMAS McKEAN, a zealous and distinguished Revolutionary patriot, was born in the township of Londonderry, a short distance south westerly from the village of Cochranville, in Chester county, on the 19th of March, 1734. He was educated in the excellent school of the Rev. Dr. Alison, at New London Cross roads. Having studied law in New Castle, he settled at that place. He was a member of the general Congress of 1765. In 1774, he was married to Miss Sarah Armitage, of New Castle; was a Delegate to the Continental Congress, from Delaware, from 1774 to 1783, - having his residence, part of the time, in Philadelphia; yet he was, at the same time, Chief Justice of Pennsylvania, from 1777, being claimed by both States. (The gallant but unfortunate General Wm. Thompson, of Cumberland county, who was taken prisoner at the battle of Three Rivers, in 1776, could never succeed in procuring an exchange; and he charged Thomas McKean with using his influence, while in Congress, to prevent the Generalrelease, and restoration to active service. McKean denied the charge; and an acrimonious correspondence ensued between them. The chagrin, and bitter disappointment of the patriotic General, may have caused or hastened his death, - which occurred in September, 1781.) Thomas McKean was a Signer of the Declaration of Independence, from Delaware; (Chester county produced two of those precious Scribes - Morton and McKean,) and a member of the Convention of Pennsylvania, which framed the Constitution of 1790. While Chief Justice of the keystone State, it became his duty to regulate the unruly Intruders from Connecticut, at Wyoming.... In 1799 - after a furious political contest, between the supporters of McKean, and James Ross, of Pittsburgh - Thomas McKean was elected Governor of Pennsylvania, to succeed Governor Mifflin; in which office he was continued, until succeeded by Governor Snyder in 1808. When the result of the election, in 1799, was ascertained, the partisans of McKean, in Philadelphia, held a Town meeting to congratulate him on the auspicious event. At that meeting, Israel Israel, a distinguished politician of the time, presided; the language employed on the occasion was of the broadest anglo saxon type, and unmistakably indicative of the feelings which then prevailed... After this, he passed the residue of his days in private life, and died on the 24th of June, 1817, aged 83 years. Publication: The Pennsylvania Gazette Date: November 24, 1743 We are informed that there is a Free School opened at the House of Mr. Allison in Chester County, for the Promotion of Learning, where all persons may be instructed in the Languages and some other Parts of Polite Literature, without ay Expences for their Education. We hear also that a new MAP of the Province of PENNSYLVANIA is begun, and great Part thereof finished; wherein will be delineated with the greatest Exactness, the several Counties, Townships, Towns, Rivers, Creeks and High Ways, &c. with the Situation and Extent of the principal Mountains, as far as the Province is yet surveyed: The River Delaware will be laid down as far as it bounds the Province, and the River Susquehannah with its principal Branches near 200 Miles beyond the Inhabitants. A MAP of each County is also intended, by a greater Scale, in which every Tract of Land will be described, according to the original Surveys; and the Names of the Purchasers inserted; By WILLIAM PARSONS, Surveyor General of the said Province. Donna -----Original Message----- From: pa-old-chester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pa-old-chester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Quaker1682@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 3:15 PM To: tiggernut24@yahoo.com; pa-old-chester-d@rootsweb.com Subject: [PaOldC] Fwd: Need to check on whether London Britain township hadpublic sch... Dora, I know that I am a little late responding, but I just found something that might be of interest. There was a school in the nearby town of New London. The school was the New London Academy and it was founded circa 1750 by the Presbyterian Church. It went from 6-12 grades. The school went on to become the University of Delaware according to my neighbor. He has photo's of the school in the early 1900's. You might want to check this out. Barclay Richards Nottingham, Pa. I need to verify something. I 've repeatedly been told that my 2x great grandfather could not have attended school, because his parents were impoverished village weavers barely able to support their family. His own children attended local private academies. Yet his son married a local Quaker school teacher, and there wasn't no local Quaker school,, so where did she teach. It was London Britain township, I don't know, Coatesville or Mercersville or something like that; there was a village of succesful small town businessmen. The small Smith farm was not far from the village center, across from where a tavern that was used as the town hall was eventually built by the parents of William Smith's future wife. Today the town hall is on another corner of the same intersection. The town was not in the back woods, but on the southeastern edge of Chester County, on the border of Delaware, which leaves one wondering how they could possibly not have had a public school. My 2x great grandfather was extremely successful in business, bought and ran a thousand acre farm, then served in the Delaware state legislature, though at the time his land was in Maryland and Pennsylvania (sometimes it was in Delaware, and today the three state marker is on what was his land). His son my great grandfather was extremely literate. I have a sample of his writing, and it was equal to the standards of published authors of that time. My 2x great grandfather must have been highly literate and excellent at both arithmetic and geometry. He also helped build a local church, and has a window with his name on it. Of course he could read the Bible, well enough to read it to the congregation in church. He would have attended school between 1803 and 1815, and would have seemed well educated if he'd had half that amount of schooling as it was done at that time. I have ancestors as bright in 18th and 19th century New England who half educated themselves after a few winters of school, and the schoolmaster emphasized giving advanced writing lessons to one of them. I know how well educated they were from reading their autobiographies. One of them taught school. Are y'all sure there was no public school in London Britain township? Because if there wasn't, atleast one of William's parents must have been able to teach the children, and teach them a lot, quite well. It gets to what their background was. Little is known about them before they came to Pennsylvania. I'm about to write to a historian in a town in Scotland where I have a Y DNA match, that his cottage weaver parents must truly have been something, because their children were quite well educated in a home with no money and a town with no school, even though the boys weren't even kept at home but apprenticed out to become stone masons. So if London Britain township managed to have a school, now would be a good time to tell me the truth. Yours, Dora ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Dora, I know that I am a little late responding, but I just found something that might be of interest. There was a school in the nearby town of New London. The school was the New London Academy and it was founded circa 1750 by the Presbyterian Church. It went from 6-12 grades. The school went on to become the University of Delaware according to my neighbor. He has photo's of the school in the early 1900's. You might want to check this out. Barclay Richards Nottingham, Pa. I need to verify something. I ‘ve repeatedly been told that my 2x great grandfather could not have attended school, because his parents were impoverished village weavers barely able to support their family. His own children attended local private academies. Yet his son married a local Quaker school teacher, and there wasn’t no local Quaker school,, so where did she teach. It was London Britain township, I don’t know, Coatesville or Mercersville or something like that; there was a village of succesful small town businessmen. The small Smith farm was not far from the village center, across from where a tavern that was used as the town hall was eventually built by the parents of William Smith’s future wife. Today the town hall is on another corner of the same intersection. The town was not in the back woods, but on the southeastern edge of Chester County, on the border of Delaware, which leaves one wondering how they could possibly not have had a public school. My 2x great grandfather was extremely successful in business, bought and ran a thousand acre farm, then served in the Delaware state legislature, though at the time his land was in Maryland and Pennsylvania (sometimes it was in Delaware, and today the three state marker is on what was his land). His son my great grandfather was extremely literate. I have a sample of his writing, and it was equal to the standards of published authors of that time. My 2x great grandfather must have been highly literate and excellent at both arithmetic and geometry. He also helped build a local church, and has a window with his name on it. Of course he could read the Bible, well enough to read it to the congregation in church. He would have attended school between 1803 and 1815, and would have seemed well educated if he’d had half that amount of schooling as it was done at that time. I have ancestors as bright in 18th and 19th century New England who half educated themselves after a few winters of school, and the schoolmaster emphasized giving advanced writing lessons to one of them. I know how well educated they were from reading their autobiographies. One of them taught school. Are y’all sure there was no public school in London Britain township? Because if there wasn’t, atleast one of William’s parents must have been able to teach the children, and teach them a lot, quite well. It gets to what their background was. Little is known about them before they came to Pennsylvania. I’m about to write to a historian in a town in Scotland where I have a Y DNA match, that his cottage weaver parents must truly have been something, because their children were quite well educated in a home with no money and a town with no school, even though the boys weren’t even kept at home but apprenticed out to become stone masons. So if London Britain township managed to have a school, now would be a good time to tell me the truth. Yours, Dora ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I've been surfing through Belmont co, Ohio newspaper obits for , I believe it was 1856-60, looking for that elusive Elisha Newlin, and ran cross a couple of folks that might be the 'long losts' someone has been wondering about. Aug, 1856 John Mechem, 83, died Washington two, arrived in Ohio 1804 and was a Friend. Margaret and Philip Ward arrived from Chester Co, with 5 children, in 1813..... Sounds like she married out. (About every 4th or 5th person died with ''consumption' and many, many from typhoid..... Sandra Sent from Sandra's iPod ????
This was an interesting question about something's I'd never heard of, but a little surfing turned up the following: Apparently there was an old urban Thanksgiving tradition of costumes and pranks. The "ragamuffin" tradition was popular in urban areas like NY and Boston, consisting of costumed children parading around the streets begging for coins or treats and pulling pranks if they didn't get any. They were often paid off by shopkeepers to keep from having their windows soaped. By the early 1900s the children would parade through the streets in their costumes becoming an established holiday event. However, by the 1920s, parades like Macy's took over and the depression in the 1930s ended the tradition completely......who knew? Not I. Sandra > "My mother use to tell me when they were kids no one really dressed up for > Halloween but they did for Thanksgiving. Does anyone know anything this?"
My mother use to tell me when they were kids no one really dressed up for Halloween but they did for Thanksgiving. Does anyone know anything about this tradition? Thanks, Joan
The Scots-Irish had a method to their madness when it comes to education. As I mentioned before I come from a long line of Presbyterian ministers who were all educators. The reason they both preached and established schools is because the Scotch Presbyterians believed that the more educated you were, the better you could understand God and his Word. They also believed that education should reflect God's excellence through wisdom and the art of reasoning biblically. That's why so many schools were founded by the church in the U.S. Barb
I think you'll find that all school children had slates and either a slate rod or chalk to write with, and this continued till the 1900s. Slates were practical, cheap and durable...used just as a tablet and pencil, and allowed each students to do plenty of writing. The teacher, for example would write the test questions, on the class blackboard and the students used their slates to answer them. these things still turn up all the time at antique shows and I've always thought them a good idea...easily used and constantly renewable. Sandra >" Most writing at school was done on blackboards without the luxury of pads > of paper and notebooks that those of us who grew up post-WWII had. Plenty of pencils and pens, too."