It would help to know specifically what kind of ships they were before randomely looking at pictures of ships. The following applies to the 18th century as a whole. I found my book that discusses the conditions under which Scotch Irish typically came to the U.S. Unfortunately I zeroxed two chapters of a book that describe the emigrants and the travelling conditions. The chapter describes everything you could think of in vivid detail, except the ships themselves. The ships were specifically carrying goods and emigrants to America, and sometimes they carried emigrants to America in the fall in time to get crops and bring them back. The emigrants rode in the holds or in temporary floors constructed between the decks, with berths crowded together, and little or no ventilation. Disease was rampant and children often died, which is consistent with the death of the Smiths’ infant on the voyage. Some ships are named, however. The Peggy The Pitt the Lord Chatham the Betty the Hopewell the Pennylvania Farmer the Elizabeth the James and Mary the Lord Dunluce 200 tons, or else 160 tons, depending on who asked and when. Small pox broke out on board in 17712. the Nancy the Britannia the Seaflower ** the Sally “advertised in 1765, with obvious pride, that the higeight between her decks (not bunks) was four feet six inches” the General Wolfe ** the Hibernia, which was 170 or 200 tons, depending on who asked and why. the William the Liberty (Belfast to Philadelphia) “claimed that the port holes would ‘let out the foul, and in the fresh, air for want of which disodrers frequently happen on board passenger vessels”, the point being specifically that there were no port-holes for ventilation. the Venus “claimed that the vessel’s ‘three hatchways would ensure an abundance of fresh air.’” the Charlotte was innovative. It advertised that ‘ion order to preserve the health of the passengers in the summer season, the captain got twelve air ports cut in the ship’s side”. Earl of Donegal Glorious Memory the Edinburgh the Providence “A vessel of 270 tons carrying 400 emigrahts to America in 1791... the berths were triple-tiered and were eighteen inches wide and two feet high.” The average advertised tonnage of emigrant vessels during 1771 to 1775 was over 310 tons, but according to the returns of port officials in America, the average tonage of vessels that arrived there from Ireland between Jan 1768 and Jan 1771 was 94 tons. Dora From: Eliz Hanebury Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:15 AM To: Dora Smith Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Them ships again - need to know what a ship looked like https://www.google.com/search?q=ships+pictures+1790&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=bOm&tbo=u&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=tWsBUcS0FLO10AG8qIC4BA&ved=0CDEQsAQ&biw=1708&bih=798 A lot of pictures of ships around 1790.

I was really interested less in the ships' appearances than in identifying the ship my ancesotor. Morris Llewelyn (sic!), came over on.  Family tradition has it that he and his wife came from a Welsh town, Castle Bith (no castle) to William Penn's Welsh tract in 1682 a few months before Penn himself did, I think on the Welcome.  The Welcome Society lists folks who came in the early days on various ships to Penn's nobe experiment, Pennsylvania, sort of like the Mayflower Society.  Noone that I know of has establshed Morris's voyage or on what ship, yet he was here and an original deed to his property is part of Haverford Library's Quaker Collection.  He was not a Swede (earliest settlers) nor was he a Native American.  He must have gotten there somehow.  I understand many ships did not register all their passengers as many of the ship's captains had n interest, and other lists were lost by fire or other reason.   I have transmitted the above facts to this and other genealogy listservs before, although perhaos in less detail. cheers, Eleanor ________________________________ From: Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> To: Eleanor W. Helper <eleanorhelper@yahoo.com> Cc: "pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com" <pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Ships of the 1700s Google Mayflower pictures <G> it was a very typical vessel of it's day. You might also try Winthrop Fleet These are supposed to be Mayflower pictures https://www.google.com/search?q=mayflower+pictures&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=WTU&tbo=u&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=75QBUeG8D5GB0AH5poHgBg&ved=0CDEQsAQ&biw=1708&bih=798 On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Eleanor W. Helper <eleanorhelper@yahoo.com> wrote: > Are there similar lists for the 1600s and also for the 1800s?  I tried Wikipedia but was unable to find anything.  But maybe I did not use the correct key words (!) > > Eleanor > > > ________________________________ >  From: Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> > To: pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:04 PM > Subject: [PaOldC] Ships of the 1700s > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:1700s_ships > > Sent from Sandra's iPad > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (unknown to me) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes.     (Dag Hammarskjold)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:1700s_ships Sent from Sandra's iPad

Sharon, The County Recorders Office should have the property deeds, recorded Mortgage agreements, and Section Plat Maps going back to the beginning of the county and townships. The County Engineers Office has Property Plats and Section Plat Maps. The County Auditors Office also has County and Township Plat Maps. The Plat Maps show all land marks, roads, fence lines, property corners (pins and monuments), acreage, and property owners. You may be able to find copies of the very old Plat Maps by going to the State Archives Library under maps or in the Genealogy Research section (every state has these facilities, but may be labeled differently). Hope this info is helpful, Don -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Kleinstuber Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:37 AM To: Chester County old Subject: [PaOldC] old road names First, I want to say a big THANK YOU to everyone who has replied to my original messages about road names in West Pikeland. Since several people asked for more details - here goes. On the 1920 Census (West Pikeland Twp., Chester Co., PA), my grandfather, Harry A. Schmehl, wife Beatrice & son Robert E. are listed as living on State Road, owning the property which was mortgaged (I have not found proof that Harry owned property in 1920). On this Census sheet, there are 2 neighbors on State Road - Hosea McBride & William McKinley. Others on same census sheet are listed as living on Cross Road or Conestoga Pike. Prior census sheet lists families on same 3 roads; next census sheet lists families on Conestoga Pike. At some point, about 1925, I know the Harry Schmehl family lived (rented) the house whose address is now 1548 Horseshoe Trail, Chester Springs, PA. My uncle, born in Nov 1918, remembered living in this house when he started first grade. This house on Horseshoe Tra! il is just a short distance from Route #113. On the 1930 Census (West Pikeland Twp.), Harry is listed as living on Township Road, renting the property for $17. On the prior Census sheet is the McBride & McKinley family, both listed as living on the Chester Springs-Phoenixville Road. >From the messages I've read - I'm thinking "State Road" & "Chester Springs-Phoenixville Road" are the same road; & both are the same as Route #113 today. On the next census sheet are families listed as living on Township Road or Conestoga Pike. It would appear that "State Road" & "Township Road" are not the same road, as most people had already thought. I suspect that "Township Road" & Horseshoe Trail" are not the same road. Prior to September 1932, Harry moved his family to Kimberton (East Pikeland Twp.), onto a property he later purchased in Dec 1933. The house's current address is 923 Pike Springs Road (Route # 113). I still don't know which road was called "Township Road" in 1930! . Any additional thoughts or suggestions appreciated. Sharon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Are there similar lists for the 1600s and also for the 1800s?  I tried Wikipedia but was unable to find anything.  But maybe I did not use the correct key words (!)   Eleanor ________________________________ From: Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> To: pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:04 PM Subject: [PaOldC] Ships of the 1700s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:1700s_ships Sent from Sandra's iPad ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I’m back to my father wanting to know only what ship my Smith ancestors came to Newark in, and nothing else about them. Wasn’t interested in their land, its location, how they supported themselves, their struggles, none of that. Too bad they weren’t here in time to fight in the Revolutionary War; my parents would have had the record professionally printed and framed. (Eyes rolling on what matters to some people) I know there’s no record of the ship, if there ever was. The ships’ records at Newark burned in a fire. John and Isabella Smith, Scotch Irish (the Y DNA proves it) were penniless, and lost their firstborn son on the voyage over. They landed at Newcastle, in the closing days of September, sometime in the 1790’s. John Smith was a weaver by trade, and they were Presbyterian. They became employed by a wealthy local farmer who also had black slaves. They then bought a piece of land, evidently paying cash, or it was paid on their behalf, and it was broken off from the larger estate of someone who had died, 29 and a half acres, just the size to support a family. They bought this land in October, 1798, and lived in the unfinished basement all winter with two infants while they built a log cabin. Recall that they got off the ship in September. I believe that they were indentured servants, and at the end of their four or seven year term they were given enough money to buy a piece of land. I understand that the majority of such immigrants rode in steerage, and small children were very likely to die on the way over. The question. What kind of ship was it, and what did it look like? Mind you, I find the Saxon boats of our ancestors more interesting, but... Thanks! Yours, Dora Smith

Modern maps make that very likely 113 and Rt 401 (still Conestoga Pike) so perhaps we are narrowing it? <G> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Sharon Kleinstuber <snkgenealogy@hotmail.com> wrote: > y which was mortgaged (I have not found proof that Harry owned property in 1920). On this Census sheet, there are 2 neighbors on State Road - Hosea McBride & William McKinley. Others on same census sheet are listed as living on Cross Road or Conestoga Pike -- Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (unknown to me) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold)

First, I want to say a big THANK YOU to everyone who has replied to my original messages about road names in West Pikeland. Since several people asked for more details - here goes. On the 1920 Census (West Pikeland Twp., Chester Co., PA), my grandfather, Harry A. Schmehl, wife Beatrice & son Robert E. are listed as living on State Road, owning the property which was mortgaged (I have not found proof that Harry owned property in 1920). On this Census sheet, there are 2 neighbors on State Road - Hosea McBride & William McKinley. Others on same census sheet are listed as living on Cross Road or Conestoga Pike. Prior census sheet lists families on same 3 roads; next census sheet lists families on Conestoga Pike. At some point, about 1925, I know the Harry Schmehl family lived (rented) the house whose address is now 1548 Horseshoe Trail, Chester Springs, PA. My uncle, born in Nov 1918, remembered living in this house when he started first grade. This house on Horseshoe Trail is just a short distance from Route #113. On the 1930 Census (West Pikeland Twp.), Harry is listed as living on Township Road, renting the property for $17. On the prior Census sheet is the McBride & McKinley family, both listed as living on the Chester Springs-Phoenixville Road. From the messages I've read - I'm thinking "State Road" & "Chester Springs-Phoenixville Road" are the same road; & both are the same as Route #113 today. On the next census sheet are families listed as living on Township Road or Conestoga Pike. It would appear that "State Road" & "Township Road" are not the same road, as most people had already thought. I suspect that "Township Road" & Horseshoe Trail" are not the same road. Prior to September 1932, Harry moved his family to Kimberton (East Pikeland Twp.), onto a property he later purchased in Dec 1933. The house's current address is 923 Pike Springs Road (Route # 113). I still don't know which road was called "Township Road" in 1930. Any additional thoughts or suggestions appreciated. Sharon

If you have Ancestry West Pikeland is shown (but it is 1873) but again if we knew the family name we might figure where they lived by the neighbors http://search.ancestry.com/Browse/View.aspx?dbid=1127&path=Pennsylvania.Chester%2c+1873.51 On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> wrote: >> 'The 1920 Census lists the residence of my grandparents as "State Road" in West Pikeland Twp., Chester Co., PA. The 1930 Census lists their residence as "Township Road" in West Pikeland Twp., Chester Co., PA. -- Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (unknown to me) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold)

As I mentioned, the CCHS does have early maps from the days before paving and it is just possible to make out the present day roads. Eliz On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Dora Smith <tiggernut24@yahoo.com> wrote: > Also try the Chester County Historical Society. In fact, they're more > likely to have it than the town librarian. -- Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (unknown to me) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold)

It doesn't go thru West Pikeland Eliz On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Mary Ann <chip44@verizon.net> wrote: > Rt. 926 is actually named State Rd in some areas. Dn't know if it goes through West Pikeland Twp so you might want to check it out. > > Mary Ann > Villanova Pa. > > > On Jan 22, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> wrote: > > Route 113 is 'the' State numbered route thru the township 401 > Conestoga Pike is the other but was as far as I know always Conestoga > Turnpike. > > I was thinking last night that you can see both the new and old route > of 113 which was straightened in the 1960's, on maps.google > > > > Eliz > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Jane Unger <janielou13@yahoo.com> wrote: >> I know it's probably not likely, but you might check to see how many state routes now run through the township. If you get lucky, there is only one and that would be your answer. It sort of makes sense that if there was only one that they would just call it the state road since everyone would know what they meant. Do you know that they didn't move? Then there's always the chance that the enumerator got confused/made a typo/forgot where he was or something. >> Jane Unger >> >> http://www.hootowlhollow.com >> http://www.hootowlhollow.blogspot.com >> >> >> >> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> >>> To: PaOldCh <pa-old-chester-l@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 12:04 PM >>> Subject: [PaOldC] - old road names >>> >>> All state roads and, it appears, township roads, now have special numbers/designations that allow us to tell one from another. Just the titles 'state road' and 'township road' don't give enough information to find the ones you seek, let alone tell if they are the same. >>> I know there are township road maps available, free......saw them when I did a google....... but don't see how they could be of any help. What you need is someone who lived there in the 20-30s and remembers, but don't imagine that's likely, unfortunately. >>> Sandra >>>> >>>> 'The 1920 Census lists the residence of my grandparents as "State Road" in West Pikeland Twp., Chester Co., PA. The 1930 Census lists their residence as "Township Road" in West Pikeland Twp., Chester Co., PA. Are these roads the same road, just different names in 1920 & 1930? What are the names of these roads today?' >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (unknown to me) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold)

Rt. 926 is actually named State Rd in some areas. Dn't know if it goes through West Pikeland Twp so you might want to check it out. Mary Ann Villanova Pa. On Jan 22, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> wrote: Route 113 is 'the' State numbered route thru the township 401 Conestoga Pike is the other but was as far as I know always Conestoga Turnpike. I was thinking last night that you can see both the new and old route of 113 which was straightened in the 1960's, on maps.google Eliz On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Jane Unger <janielou13@yahoo.com> wrote: > I know it's probably not likely, but you might check to see how many state routes now run through the township. If you get lucky, there is only one and that would be your answer. It sort of makes sense that if there was only one that they would just call it the state road since everyone would know what they meant. Do you know that they didn't move? Then there's always the chance that the enumerator got confused/made a typo/forgot where he was or something. > Jane Unger > > http://www.hootowlhollow.com > http://www.hootowlhollow.blogspot.com > > > > >> ________________________________ >> From: Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> >> To: PaOldCh <pa-old-chester-l@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 12:04 PM >> Subject: [PaOldC] - old road names >> >> All state roads and, it appears, township roads, now have special numbers/designations that allow us to tell one from another. Just the titles 'state road' and 'township road' don't give enough information to find the ones you seek, let alone tell if they are the same. >> I know there are township road maps available, free......saw them when I did a google....... but don't see how they could be of any help. What you need is someone who lived there in the 20-30s and remembers, but don't imagine that's likely, unfortunately. >> Sandra >>> >>> 'The 1920 Census lists the residence of my grandparents as "State Road" in West Pikeland Twp., Chester Co., PA. The 1930 Census lists their residence as "Township Road" in West Pikeland Twp., Chester Co., PA. Are these roads the same road, just different names in 1920 & 1930? What are the names of these roads today?' >> >> >> >>

Route 113 is 'the' State numbered route thru the township 401 Conestoga Pike is the other but was as far as I know always Conestoga Turnpike. I was thinking last night that you can see both the new and old route of 113 which was straightened in the 1960's, on maps.google Eliz On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Jane Unger <janielou13@yahoo.com> wrote: > I know it's probably not likely, but you might check to see how many state routes now run through the township. If you get lucky, there is only one and that would be your answer. It sort of makes sense that if there was only one that they would just call it the state road since everyone would know what they meant. Do you know that they didn't move? Then there's always the chance that the enumerator got confused/made a typo/forgot where he was or something. > Jane Unger > > http://www.hootowlhollow.com > http://www.hootowlhollow.blogspot.com > > > > >>________________________________ >> From: Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> >>To: PaOldCh <pa-old-chester-l@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 12:04 PM >>Subject: [PaOldC] - old road names >> >>All state roads and, it appears, township roads, now have special numbers/designations that allow us to tell one from another. Just the titles 'state road' and 'township road' don't give enough information to find the ones you seek, let alone tell if they are the same. >> I know there are township road maps available, free......saw them when I did a google....... but don't see how they could be of any help. What you need is someone who lived there in the 20-30s and remembers, but don't imagine that's likely, unfortunately. >> Sandra >>> >>> 'The 1920 Census lists the residence of my grandparents as "State Road" in West Pikeland Twp., Chester Co., PA. The 1930 Census lists their residence as "Township Road" in West Pikeland Twp., Chester Co., PA. Are these roads the same road, just different names in 1920 & 1930? What are the names of these roads today?' >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (unknown to me) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold)

I know it's probably not likely, but you might check to see how many state routes now run through the township.  If you get lucky, there is only one and that would be your answer. It sort of makes sense that if there was only one that they would just call it the state road since everyone would know what they meant.   Do you know that they didn't move?   Then there's always the chance that the enumerator got confused/made a typo/forgot where he was or something. Jane Unger   http://www.hootowlhollow.com http://www.hootowlhollow.blogspot.com   >________________________________ > From: Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> >To: PaOldCh <pa-old-chester-l@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 12:04 PM >Subject: [PaOldC] - old road names > >All state roads and, it appears, township roads, now have special numbers/designations that allow us to tell one from another.  Just the titles 'state road' and 'township road' don't give enough information to find the ones you seek,  let alone tell if they are the same. >      I know there are township road maps available, free......saw them when I did a google....... but don't see how they could be of any help.  What you need is someone who lived there in the 20-30s and remembers, but don't imagine that's likely, unfortunately. >                    Sandra >> >> 'The 1920 Census lists the residence of my grandparents as "State Road" in West Pikeland Twp., Chester Co., PA.  The 1930 Census lists their residence as "Township Road" in West Pikeland Twp., Chester Co., PA.  Are these roads the same road, just different names in 1920 & 1930?  What are the names of these roads today?' > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Problems that require finding someone who lived there in the 20s and 30s usually require getting on the phone. Call around the neighborhood. It's often helpful to start with a town historian, the town librarian, or, where I'd actually start if there is one, the local senior citizen's center. But make sure there isn't an old map first. The librarian would be who to ask that. Also try the Chester County Historical Society. In fact, they're more likely to have it than the town librarian. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Sandra Ferguson Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 11:04 AM To: PaOldCh Subject: [PaOldC] - old road names All state roads and, it appears, township roads, now have special numbers/designations that allow us to tell one from another. Just the titles 'state road' and 'township road' don't give enough information to find the ones you seek, let alone tell if they are the same. I know there are township road maps available, free......saw them when I did a google....... but don't see how they could be of any help. What you need is someone who lived there in the 20-30s and remembers, but don't imagine that's likely, unfortunately. Sandra > > 'The 1920 Census lists the residence of my grandparents as "State Road" in > West Pikeland Twp., Chester Co., PA. The 1930 Census lists their > residence as "Township Road" in West Pikeland Twp., Chester Co., PA. Are > these roads the same road, just different names in 1920 & 1930? What are > the names of these roads today?' ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The old Gazeeters put out in the 1870's and 80's are useful and if you use an overlay with the roads drawn on you can still see the bones of the old roads on them. I found somewhere, maybe the Historical Society, early road maps that made some sense to me <G> but only some and only because land owners I knew were there that early. On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> wrote: > All state roads and, it appears, township roads, now have special numbers/designations that allow us to tell one from another. <snip> -- Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (unknown to me) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold)

All state roads and, it appears, township roads, now have special numbers/designations that allow us to tell one from another. Just the titles 'state road' and 'township road' don't give enough information to find the ones you seek, let alone tell if they are the same. I know there are township road maps available, free......saw them when I did a google....... but don't see how they could be of any help. What you need is someone who lived there in the 20-30s and remembers, but don't imagine that's likely, unfortunately. Sandra > > 'The 1920 Census lists the residence of my grandparents as "State Road" in West Pikeland Twp., Chester Co., PA. The 1930 Census lists their residence as "Township Road" in West Pikeland Twp., Chester Co., PA. Are these roads the same road, just different names in 1920 & 1930? What are the names of these roads today?'

The 1920 Census lists the residence of my grandparents as "State Road" in West Pikeland Twp., Chester Co., PA. The 1930 Census lists their residence as "Township Road" in West Pikeland Twp., Chester Co., PA. Are these roads the same road, just different names in 1920 & 1930? What are the names of these roads today? Sharon snkgenealogy@hotmail.com

For what it's worth , I have a book on the Baileys and it lists only 2 sons as children of John Baily and lydia Wickersham..... David and Nathan. No Mary. It's not my research so I can't vouch for it. Sandra

Re: Betty Seprodi's inquiry 8/11/2004: " Ancestor George Gooderl b?, m. about 1782 Chester Co., Pa. Parents of 4 sons and 3 daughters. Know of George Jr. b Jan. 30, 1790, m Isabel Burns 1812 Chester Co., PA. Died July 26, 1880 Guernsey Co., O. Know also of a dau., Abigail m. Joshua Hammond 4/30/1818 in O. Need Mary's birth, maiden name, and any info possible. Found George in Heads of Families, PA as George Goodagle, Chester Co. George, listed on tax rolls of Chester Co., Pa (E. & W. Marlborough Twps>) from 1786 thru 1817. Listed at 'laborer' owning no land. In 1790, census listed him as George Goodagle, 1800 census listed him as George Goodettle. They moved to Belmont Co., O where George, sr. died. Any help or ideas greatly appreciated. Also any info. on Isabel's parents, John and Anna Burns. Thanks, Betty" I found this at the Historical Society some years ago: Source: Bart Anderson's "Descendants of William and Elizabeth (Bowater) Pusey", vol. I, 1960, compilation at CCHS, p. 1315 Bart, the CCHS librarian at the time,  noted that Mary Bailey, daughter of John Bailey, Jr.  and Lydia Wickersham, had been disowned by the New Garden Meeting 11.4.1780 for marrying 'George Goodeagle' (not a member) by Baptist teacher. You've noted the evolving names in the censuses: 1790 (West Marlborough): George Goodagle 1800 (East Marlborough) George Goodettle 1810 (West Marlborough) George Gooderl 1820 (gone) History of  Guernsey C ounty, Ohio f or the Gooderls show they came from Chester County, that George Sr. moved first to Belmont County in 1817 where he died.  In 1824 the family moved to Guernsey County where they stayed for many years.  George Gooderl, Jr. was born 1792 in Chester County and died in Guernsey Co., OH in 1880 .  In the same county   a  'Bailey Gooderl' died 5-24-1846, aged 55y, 6mo, 22d, the right age to be a brother to George. Mary Bailey was born in 1760 acc. to Bart Anderson.  Acc. to findagrave.com, Mary Gooderl died in 1847,  and is buried in the Salem Baptist Church Cemetery in the same town as Bailey Gooderl.  Findagrave lists Mary's birth as 1760. So, I think the pieces fit to conclude that your Mary's surname was Bailey. No idea on Isabella Burns. John