Thank you Sandra! And as a reminder to people who use Google (and it may apply to Yahoo) you need to copy yourself. I don't know why; I just know I don't get my own posts unless I copy myself. This is not the case with other types of e-mail addresses. Nancy if you only want to contact the person who sent the post, you select REPLY: if you wish your email to go to everyone you select REPLY ALL.

To me, it makes perfect sense to be set up this way: if you only want to contact the person who sent the post, you select REPLY: if you wish your email to go to everyone you select REPLY ALL....... What could be easier? I have belonged to several lists that used this method and much preferred it. That's why I chose it when I set up this list. I clearly discuss it in the Welcome Email that everyone gets when they join and believe it is the best setup, making it easy to contact either ONLY the poster or the whole list. All list adms. do things as they believe best, which I'm sure you'll understand. Sandra > I thought that I had done something wrong when subscribing - I am on a lot of lists and this is the only one where REPLY goes to the individual. And with REPLY ALL the email of the individual who sent the post still comes up along with PaOldCh so you have to delete that person before you send or it goes both places. > > Can it be reset? > > Liane >

Liz, thanks so much for this valuable info. I do a lot of PA research and this will definitely make life easier! Lynn in Baltimore -----Original Message----- From: Eliz Hanebury Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 12:55 PM To: Chester County, PA ; ROOTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [PaOldC] Pennsylvania Death Certificate Digitization Rejoice <G> may we live long enough to see it! (end of 2013 they say) Death Certificate Digitization http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/access_archives_newsletter/20578/volume_13,_winter_2013/1366902 << << << A boon for genealogists, it is anticipated that the records and indices will be available for the public and in the Archives Search Room through the Ancestry website by the end of calendar year 2013. If you have any questions on the progress of the project, you may contact David W. Shoff, Chief of the State Archives Division at 717-783-5796. -- Eliz

To me the stories are just as interesting as the pedigrees, so I hope these will be included too. Eleanor ________________________________ From: Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> To: Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> Cc: PaOldCh <pa-old-chester-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Sharing with everyone I am one of the guilty, but I was straying FAR off topic with conversation about how much land was needed to feed a family <G> I was thinking partly of the Irish who raised large families on less than half an acre and my 3X ggfather who managed to send his sons off to the US with enough money for each to buy a good sized farm in Ohio and he did this with 3 acres and some common ground, far away from Chester Co <G> But I would love to find out more about what it did take to not just raise a family but to gather assets. What could a family do with 39 acres back in the day? Eliz On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> wrote: >    A list member has emailed me that after she posted a question to the list, several people send info ONLY to her, and not to the list.  To these people's especially and everyone in general,<snip> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I thought that I had done something wrong when subscribing - I am on a lot of lists and this is the only one where REPLY goes to the individual. And with REPLY ALL the email of the individual who sent the post still comes up along with PaOldCh so you have to delete that person before you send or it goes both places. Can it be reset? Liane

Many libraries have ancestry, and I think some of the LDS family history centers also offer it. Plus, it's nice for those who do have it to be appraised of changes in their options. I hadn't heard about it and always appreciate folks passing along any changes that might be to someone's advantage. It's another way of sharing with everyone. Sandra Sent from Sandra's iPod ???? On Jan 25, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Debra Cloud-Leight <dfcloud@gmail.com> wrote: > Digitizing? Fantastic! Ancestry.com? not so fantastic. I was a paid member > about 7 years ago and it was expensive then. I believe for total accessive > we paid like 200 and some dollars. Over the last 7 years I can't imagine > them lowering their price and I would assume, like everyone else, they've > raised their prices. I'm fairly sure my husband and I are fairly average > financially, and with me being disabled, he's been working 7 days a week > just to make ends meet. So a membership to Ancestry is out of the question. > So what good does this do people like us? > > > > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Rejoice <G> may we live long enough to see it! (end of 2013 they say) >> Death Certificate Digitization >> >> >> http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/access_archives_newsletter/20578/volume_13,_winter_2013/1366902 >> >> A typical death certificate, rich with genealogical information, >> including name and birthplace of parents; place, date, cause, and time >> of death; as well as other useful tidbits. >> A typical death certificate, rich with genealogical information, >> including name and birthplace of parents; place, date, cause, and time >> of death; as well as other useful tidbits. >> The Pennsylvania State Archives began a new phase of its ongoing >> partnership with Ancestry.com to digitize and index historically >> valuable documents from its collections. This began in mid-September >> with the pick-up and transport of several cartons of death >> certificates to Ancestry’s facility in Silver Spring, Md. It takes >> Ancestry approximately three weeks to complete work on fifty cartons >> of death certificates, so when a group of records returns from Silver >> Spring the next group of cartons is ready for transport. While in >> their custody, the records are scanned by trained professionals and an >> every name index for the entire series of records will be created. >> >> The collection consists of over 6.5 million death certificates that >> were originally maintained by the Department of Health’s Division of >> Vital Records and contain vital information on deaths that were >> registered in Pennsylvania from 1906-1962. Data in the certificates >> includes file number, county, city, address, ward, full name of >> deceased, sex, color, marital status, date of birth, age, occupation, >> birthplace, name and birthplace of mother and father, and informant's >> signature and address. Medical data provided is the date of death, >> length of attendance and last visit of physician, cause of death, >> duration of illness, contributory factors, and name and address of >> physician. Additional data sometimes includes length of residence if >> in a hospital or institution, where disease was contracted, residence, >> and where buried. An undertaker's name and address are usually >> provided. Death certificates from more recent years add citizenship; >> social security number; whether death was by suicide, homicide, or >> accident; place of injury; date of operation and findings; and if >> decedent served in the U.S. Armed Forces. >> >> A boon for genealogists, it is anticipated that the records and >> indices will be available for the public and in the Archives Search >> Room through the Ancestry website by the end of calendar year 2013. >> If you have any questions on the progress of the project, you may >> contact David W. Shoff, Chief of the State Archives Division at >> 717-783-5796. >> >> -- >> Eliz >> Not Today and Not without a Fight >> (unknown to me) >> >> For all that has been, thanks. >> For all that will be, yes. >> (Dag Hammarskjold) >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > Debbi > > May the Wind sing to you and the Sun rise in your heart. > > Check out my new website .. > http://www.mamawolfcreations.com > > OR Check my booth at Bonanzle... > http://www.bonanza.com/booths/Mamawolf > http://mamawolfsfantasyartdolls.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Digitizing? Fantastic! Ancestry.com? not so fantastic. I was a paid member about 7 years ago and it was expensive then. I believe for total accessive we paid like 200 and some dollars. Over the last 7 years I can't imagine them lowering their price and I would assume, like everyone else, they've raised their prices. I'm fairly sure my husband and I are fairly average financially, and with me being disabled, he's been working 7 days a week just to make ends meet. So a membership to Ancestry is out of the question. So what good does this do people like us? On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> wrote: > Rejoice <G> may we live long enough to see it! (end of 2013 they say) > Death Certificate Digitization > > > http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/access_archives_newsletter/20578/volume_13,_winter_2013/1366902 > > A typical death certificate, rich with genealogical information, > including name and birthplace of parents; place, date, cause, and time > of death; as well as other useful tidbits. > A typical death certificate, rich with genealogical information, > including name and birthplace of parents; place, date, cause, and time > of death; as well as other useful tidbits. > The Pennsylvania State Archives began a new phase of its ongoing > partnership with Ancestry.com to digitize and index historically > valuable documents from its collections. This began in mid-September > with the pick-up and transport of several cartons of death > certificates to Ancestry’s facility in Silver Spring, Md. It takes > Ancestry approximately three weeks to complete work on fifty cartons > of death certificates, so when a group of records returns from Silver > Spring the next group of cartons is ready for transport. While in > their custody, the records are scanned by trained professionals and an > every name index for the entire series of records will be created. > > The collection consists of over 6.5 million death certificates that > were originally maintained by the Department of Health’s Division of > Vital Records and contain vital information on deaths that were > registered in Pennsylvania from 1906-1962. Data in the certificates > includes file number, county, city, address, ward, full name of > deceased, sex, color, marital status, date of birth, age, occupation, > birthplace, name and birthplace of mother and father, and informant's > signature and address. Medical data provided is the date of death, > length of attendance and last visit of physician, cause of death, > duration of illness, contributory factors, and name and address of > physician. Additional data sometimes includes length of residence if > in a hospital or institution, where disease was contracted, residence, > and where buried. An undertaker's name and address are usually > provided. Death certificates from more recent years add citizenship; > social security number; whether death was by suicide, homicide, or > accident; place of injury; date of operation and findings; and if > decedent served in the U.S. Armed Forces. > > A boon for genealogists, it is anticipated that the records and > indices will be available for the public and in the Archives Search > Room through the Ancestry website by the end of calendar year 2013. > If you have any questions on the progress of the project, you may > contact David W. Shoff, Chief of the State Archives Division at > 717-783-5796. > > -- > Eliz > Not Today and Not without a Fight > (unknown to me) > > For all that has been, thanks. > For all that will be, yes. > (Dag Hammarskjold) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Debbi May the Wind sing to you and the Sun rise in your heart. Check out my new website .. http://www.mamawolfcreations.com OR Check my booth at Bonanzle... http://www.bonanza.com/booths/Mamawolf http://mamawolfsfantasyartdolls.blogspot.com/

Land Records at the Pennsylvania State Archives http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt?open=512&objID=3184&&SortOrder=200&level=4&parentCommID=3162&menuLevel=Level_4&mode=2 The newsletter led me on to this which I hadn't known about. There is much here to be examined but "Records of the Land Office WARRANTEE TOWNSHIP MAPS {series #17.522} not for Chester Co., Berks and Cumberland but not Chester. There is so much here, massive amounts more than the last time I checked/ -- Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (unknown to me) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold)

Rejoice <G> may we live long enough to see it! (end of 2013 they say) Death Certificate Digitization http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/access_archives_newsletter/20578/volume_13,_winter_2013/1366902 A typical death certificate, rich with genealogical information, including name and birthplace of parents; place, date, cause, and time of death; as well as other useful tidbits. A typical death certificate, rich with genealogical information, including name and birthplace of parents; place, date, cause, and time of death; as well as other useful tidbits. The Pennsylvania State Archives began a new phase of its ongoing partnership with Ancestry.com to digitize and index historically valuable documents from its collections. This began in mid-September with the pick-up and transport of several cartons of death certificates to Ancestry’s facility in Silver Spring, Md. It takes Ancestry approximately three weeks to complete work on fifty cartons of death certificates, so when a group of records returns from Silver Spring the next group of cartons is ready for transport. While in their custody, the records are scanned by trained professionals and an every name index for the entire series of records will be created. The collection consists of over 6.5 million death certificates that were originally maintained by the Department of Health’s Division of Vital Records and contain vital information on deaths that were registered in Pennsylvania from 1906-1962. Data in the certificates includes file number, county, city, address, ward, full name of deceased, sex, color, marital status, date of birth, age, occupation, birthplace, name and birthplace of mother and father, and informant's signature and address. Medical data provided is the date of death, length of attendance and last visit of physician, cause of death, duration of illness, contributory factors, and name and address of physician. Additional data sometimes includes length of residence if in a hospital or institution, where disease was contracted, residence, and where buried. An undertaker's name and address are usually provided. Death certificates from more recent years add citizenship; social security number; whether death was by suicide, homicide, or accident; place of injury; date of operation and findings; and if decedent served in the U.S. Armed Forces. A boon for genealogists, it is anticipated that the records and indices will be available for the public and in the Archives Search Room through the Ancestry website by the end of calendar year 2013. If you have any questions on the progress of the project, you may contact David W. Shoff, Chief of the State Archives Division at 717-783-5796. -- Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (unknown to me) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold)

I am one of the guilty, but I was straying FAR off topic with conversation about how much land was needed to feed a family <G> I was thinking partly of the Irish who raised large families on less than half an acre and my 3X ggfather who managed to send his sons off to the US with enough money for each to buy a good sized farm in Ohio and he did this with 3 acres and some common ground, far away from Chester Co <G> But I would love to find out more about what it did take to not just raise a family but to gather assets. What could a family do with 39 acres back in the day? Eliz On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> wrote: > A list member has emailed me that after she posted a question to the list, several people send info ONLY to her, and not to the list. To these people's especially and everyone in general,<snip>

A list member has emailed me that after she posted a question to the list, several people send info ONLY to her, and not to the list. To these people's especially and everyone in general, I would like to remind all that the purpose of these lists is for those with common interests to get together and share information, emphasis being on the word share. Who knows what other list members could benefit from what you know if you don't post it to the list? If you are shy about posting, for some reason, then send it to me and I'll be more than happy to pass it along. I already do this for several folks and will gladly do it for others.... Just let me know. Your reasons don't matter and are your own..... Just send me the data...... no questions asked..... and I'll take care of it from there. Cheers! Sandra Sent from Sandra's iPod ????

Did you check all the PASSENGER LISTS I put on the Chester Co site.......The Lyon left Liverpool in may of 1682 and landed in Aug of the same year. Please check the site, under the Quaker heading. I think the Lyon may be there. As far as the entry in the court record goes, the woman was an indentured servant/slave. Unfortunately her name was omitted . S. > >> > >

I'd think you'd do best to contact the CCHS....... You can do it from their online site. You might also visit the online site for the Chester Co Archives and Records to look at available wills, and death records. I just don't remember when they began being recorded at the county level. Sandra > Searching for obituaries for several Quigg family members: Elizabeth (nee Wick) Quigg, died 18 Oct 1909 in Stowe, PA (daughter's house) - lived in Coventry Twp. from 1869 when she married; Maria (nee Schoenholtz) Quigg, died 11 Feb 1879 in Spring City; John Quigg, died 7 Sep 1875 in Spring City; Abraham Quigg, died 18 Sep 1863 in eat Vincent

No. I am looking for a ship that arrived somewhere near Philadlphia in1682, not the 1800s.  Thanks anyway. ________________________________ From: lfenimore <lfenimore@columbus.rr.com> To: Dora Smith <tiggernut24@yahoo.com>; pa-old-chester-l@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Them ships again - need to know what a ship looked like You want a sailing ship that transported cargo and passengers which is different from a fighting ship [though merchants ships could be pressed into service to fight]. Brigs and schooners weren't all that big either.  There are some here from the early 1800s - would look the same: http://www.hamptonsdirectory.com/article/sailing_ships_in_the_1800s.html http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tousa_ny180024.shtml These from Olive Tree are some examples between Ireland and America that would be similar.  As Olive Tree notes passenger lists did not need to be kept before 1820. Some have just a few passengers, some have more.  Because these ships were small in comparison to the larger ones of the steam era there really was no steerage like on the big ships but they were in the hold - with the cargo probably - then on deck during the day + sometimes there were a couple very small cabins for passengers who could afford them. Brigs were 75-165 ft, schooners 150ft.  Neither would seem very big when you are on the Atlantic with its huge waves.  Rough weather while on the Queen Mary flattened many of the passengers according to my mother during a voyage in 1949.  Plates sliding around the dining room and so forth. Liane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Searching for obituaries for several Quigg family members: Elizabeth (nee Wick) Quigg, died 18 Oct 1909 in Stowe, PA (daughter's house) - lived in Coventry Twp. from 1869 when she married; Maria (nee Schoenholtz) Quigg, died 11 Feb 1879 in Spring City; John Quigg, died 7 Sep 1875 in Spring City; Abraham Quigg, died 18 Sep 1863 in East Vincent. Thank you.

Somewhere I read that he came on the Lion or Lyon but I think that was speculation.  I will check NJ.  yes I think I checked all your Chester County & found tax records for some Llewelyns, including his desendants.  His son also was Morris and owned land nearby, so that is confusing.  The homes both men built still exist on Philadelphia's "Main Line" where many towns have Welsh names  I don't recall reading about buying a woman servant.  Many early Quakers did not  oppose slaves but gradually more and more did.   pista? ________________________________ From: Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> To: Eleanor W. Helper <eleanorhelper@yahoo.com>; PaOldCh <pa-old-chester-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Ships of the 1700s Morris is not in the passengers if the Welcome, in earlyQuaker passengers in Phil.  The earliest I find him is in early court records when he bought a woman servant, and as a taxpayer in Haverford the same year.     He could have come in to NJ ..... Have you checked there , or all the pista I've placed on the Chester Co rootsweb site?             V.                  Sandra Sent from Sandra's iPod ???? On Jan 24, 2013, at 3:22 PM, "Eleanor W. Helper" <eleanorhelper@yahoo.com> wrote: > I was really interested less in the ships' appearances than in identifying the ship my ancesotor. Morris Llewelyn (sic!), came over on.  Family tradition has it that he and his wife came from a Welsh town, Castle Bith (no castle) to William Penn's Welsh tract in 1682 a few months before Penn himself did, I think on the Welcome.  The Welcome Society lists folks who came in the early days on various ships to Penn's nobe experiment, Pennsylvania, sort of like the Mayflower Society.  Noone that I know of has establshed Morris's voyage or on what ship, yet he was here and an original deed to his property is part of Haverford Library's Quaker Collection.  He was not a Swede (earliest settlers) nor was he a Native American.  He must have gotten there somehow.  I understand many ships did not register all their passengers as many of the ship's captains had n interest, and other lists were lost by fire or other reason. >  > I have transmitted the above facts to this and other genealogy listservs before, although perhaos in less detail. > > cheers, Eleanor > > ________________________________ > From: Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> > To: Eleanor W. Helper <eleanorhelper@yahoo.com> > Cc: "pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com" <pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 3:09 PM > Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Ships of the 1700s > > Google Mayflower pictures <G> it was a very typical vessel of it's > day. You might also try Winthrop Fleet > These are supposed to be Mayflower pictures > > https://www.google.com/search?q=mayflower+pictures&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=WTU&tbo=u&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=75QBUeG8D5GB0AH5poHgBg&ved=0CDEQsAQ&biw=1708&bih=798 > > > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Eleanor W. Helper > <eleanorhelper@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Are there similar lists for the 1600s and also for the 1800s?  I tried Wikipedia but was unable to find anything.  But maybe I did not use the correct key words (!) >> >> Eleanor >> >> >> ________________________________ >>  From: Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> >> To: pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:04 PM >> Subject: [PaOldC] Ships of the 1700s >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:1700s_ships >> >> Sent from Sandra's iPad >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Eliz > Not Today and Not without a Fight > (unknown to me) > > For all that has been, thanks. > For all that will be, yes. >    (Dag Hammarskjold) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Morris is not in the passengers if the Welcome, in earlyQuaker passengers in Phil. The earliest I find him is in early court records when he bought a woman servant, and as a taxpayer in Haverford the same year. He could have come in to NJ ..... Have you checked there , or all the pista I've placed on the Chester Co rootsweb site? V. Sandra Sent from Sandra's iPod ???? On Jan 24, 2013, at 3:22 PM, "Eleanor W. Helper" <eleanorhelper@yahoo.com> wrote: > I was really interested less in the ships' appearances than in identifying the ship my ancesotor. Morris Llewelyn (sic!), came over on. Family tradition has it that he and his wife came from a Welsh town, Castle Bith (no castle) to William Penn's Welsh tract in 1682 a few months before Penn himself did, I think on the Welcome. The Welcome Society lists folks who came in the early days on various ships to Penn's nobe experiment, Pennsylvania, sort of like the Mayflower Society. Noone that I know of has establshed Morris's voyage or on what ship, yet he was here and an original deed to his property is part of Haverford Library's Quaker Collection. He was not a Swede (earliest settlers) nor was he a Native American. He must have gotten there somehow. I understand many ships did not register all their passengers as many of the ship's captains had n interest, and other lists were lost by fire or other reason. > > I have transmitted the above facts to this and other genealogy listservs before, although perhaos in less detail. > > cheers, Eleanor > > ________________________________ > From: Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> > To: Eleanor W. Helper <eleanorhelper@yahoo.com> > Cc: "pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com" <pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 3:09 PM > Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Ships of the 1700s > > Google Mayflower pictures <G> it was a very typical vessel of it's > day. You might also try Winthrop Fleet > These are supposed to be Mayflower pictures > > https://www.google.com/search?q=mayflower+pictures&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=WTU&tbo=u&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=75QBUeG8D5GB0AH5poHgBg&ved=0CDEQsAQ&biw=1708&bih=798 > > > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Eleanor W. Helper > <eleanorhelper@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Are there similar lists for the 1600s and also for the 1800s? I tried Wikipedia but was unable to find anything. But maybe I did not use the correct key words (!) >> >> Eleanor >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> >> To: pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:04 PM >> Subject: [PaOldC] Ships of the 1700s >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:1700s_ships >> >> Sent from Sandra's iPad >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Eliz > Not Today and Not without a Fight > (unknown to me) > > For all that has been, thanks. > For all that will be, yes. > (Dag Hammarskjold) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You want a sailing ship that transported cargo and passengers which is different from a fighting ship [though merchants ships could be pressed into service to fight]. Brigs and schooners weren't all that big either. There are some here from the early 1800s - would look the same: http://www.hamptonsdirectory.com/article/sailing_ships_in_the_1800s.html http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tousa_ny180024.shtml These from Olive Tree are some examples between Ireland and America that would be similar. As Olive Tree notes passenger lists did not need to be kept before 1820. Some have just a few passengers, some have more. Because these ships were small in comparison to the larger ones of the steam era there really was no steerage like on the big ships but they were in the hold - with the cargo probably - then on deck during the day + sometimes there were a couple very small cabins for passengers who could afford them. Brigs were 75-165 ft, schooners 150ft. Neither would seem very big when you are on the Atlantic with its huge waves. Rough weather while on the Queen Mary flattened many of the passengers according to my mother during a voyage in 1949. Plates sliding around the dining room and so forth. Liane

Google Mayflower pictures <G> it was a very typical vessel of it's day. You might also try Winthrop Fleet These are supposed to be Mayflower pictures https://www.google.com/search?q=mayflower+pictures&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=WTU&tbo=u&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=75QBUeG8D5GB0AH5poHgBg&ved=0CDEQsAQ&biw=1708&bih=798 On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Eleanor W. Helper <eleanorhelper@yahoo.com> wrote: > Are there similar lists for the 1600s and also for the 1800s? I tried Wikipedia but was unable to find anything. But maybe I did not use the correct key words (!) > > Eleanor > > > ________________________________ > From: Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> > To: pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:04 PM > Subject: [PaOldC] Ships of the 1700s > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:1700s_ships > > Sent from Sandra's iPad > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (unknown to me) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold)

I'm not even going to try to account for it. But that's what he wanted to know. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Eleanor W. Helper Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 2:22 PM To: Eliz Hanebury Cc: pa-old-chester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Ships of the 1700s I was really interested less in the ships' appearances than in identifying the ship my ancesotor. ________________________________