Eleanor W. Helper A life long friend, who was in high school & college with me, recently told me over the telephone, that there was a biography of the Lewelling nurseryman in the Oregon Historical Society. As I was talking to her about our upcoming DHS Class Reunion (or get-to-gether, by now), which was scheduled to be held in early May during Pioneer Days in The Dalles, Wasco County, Oregon, she mentioned her late husband's Cherry Orchard. Yes, The Dalles is noted for its Cherries! I do recall my Grandmother's Bing Cherry tree. Remember this Bing Cherry was developed by the Lewellings, and they brought nursery stock in a wagon on the Oregon Trail in 1847! (The rest of Wasco County is known for its wheat lands -- my father would grow small plots of experimental wheat for the Wasco County Agricultural Agent on our Moore Family's BLM lands, along with winter wheat as the money crop & other grains such as oats & barley for horse/cattle feed.) I have hunted Lewelling references in Oregon for Jean Leeper, -- as Llewellyn/Llewelyn/Lewelling. 1) http://bluebook.state.or.us/notable/notother Lewelling, Seth (nurseryman, 1820-1896) under Other Notable Oregonians (but no information, so go the the URL for the Oregon Historical Society, below.) 2) http://www.ohs.org/collections/index.cfm Oregon Historical Society Go to Collections, then Search OHS book and serial holdings online using the Research Library Catalog. (I entered Lewlling, Seth -- 3 items including a biographical sketch came up.) *********** Eleanor, I hope my info will be helpful and intersting. I found your information so, and that the Lewelling name is Welch! My 5g-Grandmother was Hannah (Thomas) Mendenhall, d/o Richard Thomas, Jr., a Medical Doctor, who came to America at age 10 yrs. with his father, Richard Ap Thomas on the Morning Star in the late 1680's to Philadelphia. For awhile, I was previlieged to be on the THOMAS website, called Blue Hole ( referring to coal mining, I believe).. Violet Moore Guy 05/28/2006 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eleanor W. Helper" <eleanorhelper@yahoo.com> To: <PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [PaOldC] MOrris Lewellin > Many thanks, Sandra, for your look-ups, your patience, and for separate > comments on name spelling. In addition to the LLewelyn and Llewellyn > that I am aware of from the 1600s, I have recently learned of the > spelling Lewelling from another listserv, known as the Quaker Corner, > http://www.rootsweb.com/~quakers, abbreviated Q-R. Two brothers lived > in Iowa and Oregon in the 1899s and appear to be related to my > ancestors, although, including me has yet worked out the connection. > > By the way, from this list I learned of the QBI listserv, devoted to > Quakers from Brtian and ireland and connecterd with a distant cousin of > the Marriage family, a different ancestral branch who never, to my > knowledge were in Chester County. (Can you imagine what computer > searching for that name brings up?). If that rings a bell with anyone, > drop me a line. However, so far QBI has not brought me any > infomration on the origin of Morris and my > Llewellyn/Llewelyn/Lewelling ancestors. > > Happy ancestor-hunting to you all. Eleanor > > > --- Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> wrote: > > > THE HISTORY OF CHESTER COUNTY, > > I looked Morris up in it and the only mention of him is on a doc. > > dated > > 5th 12thm 1701,,, as purchasers of the Welsh Tract....He bought 500 > > acres. > > > > The CD of wills has the same Llewellin spelling in a will of > > 1709, > > where he is listed as a friend ...there is also a will (that of > > Morgan > > David), in Philly, where Morris is included as an overseer for the > > will. I > > can find no will for Morris himself. > > > > From Early Court Records1697-1710... > > 1697..."Morris Lewellin (3 llls) brought a woman servant whose name > > is > > ...........who was adjudged to sarve five years from this Court to > > the said > > Morris Lewellin or his Assignes." > > > > 1710 Morris and others attested to the death by drowning of Richard > > Bevan. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.2/349 - Release Date: > > 5/26/2006 > > > > > > ==== PA-OLD-CHESTER Mailing List ==== > > Unsubscribing.... 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James Truman m.7-6-1743,at Haverford Meeting,Mary Llewelyn dau.of Morris Llewelyn,of Merion Twp.She received a certificate from Haverford to Phila.,1-8-1743,4,but on 2-28-1755,they obtained one from the latter to Haverford,with four of their children;and on 11-10-1758,a certificate to return again to the city.They had children: Richard,d.6-4-1813,aged 69;m.1st 6-15-1774,at Pine St.Meeting,Phila Abigail Estey,d.7-12-1775;dau.of Moses and Eunice Estey,of Reading town,East Jersey;2nd m.to Rachel Sykes,dau.of Thomas,of Charleston, S.C.She d.7-20-1808,aged 52. Morris,d.11 mo.1830,aged about 81;m.7-5-1781,at Middletown Meeting, Mary Sharpless;dau.of Joseph and Mary Sharpless,of Middletown.He was a paper maker on Darby Creek for a time and later removed to Bridgeport,Fayette Co.,Pa.,where he and his sons built engines for the first steamboats on the Monongahela. Evan,m.4-11-1782,at Phila.Meeting,Hannah Dubre,dau.of William and Mary Dubre,of the Northern Liberties of the city of Phila.They had several children. James,b.10-3-1753;d.2-20-1826;m.Phebe Moore. William,killed by a fall from a scaffold,aged 18. visit"The George Smedley Homepage" http://smedley.lewis.home.att.net additional photos at http://smedley.george.home.att.net

In time for Memorial Day, here is some Flag etiquette we all need to know, and follow. The United States Flag Code stipulates that as the symbol of a living country, the flag is considered in itself a living thing and should be properly displayed and cared for. The code outlines the proper ways to display the American flag. a.. Raise the flag briskly. Lower it ceremoniously. b.. Never allow the flag to touch the ground or floor. c.. Do not fly the flag in bad weather, unless it is an all-weather flag. d.. The flag can only be flown at night if properly illuminated. Otherwise, it should only be flown from sunrise to sunset. e.. The flag should always be allowed to fall free. f.. The flag should never be used to carry, store, or deliver anything. g.. Never fly the flag upside down except to signal an emergency. Ceremonial a.. When hung over a sidewalk on a rope extending from a building, the stars are always away from the building. b.. When the flag is hung over a street running east to west, the stars are always toward the north. When the flag is hung over a street running north to south, the stars are always toward the east. c.. When a group of flags is being displayed, the U.S. flag should be at the center and at the highest point. The only exception is when the flag of another nation is being flown—national flags should be of the same size and fly at the same height. d.. When covering a casket, the stars should be at the head and over the left shoulder. The flag should never touch the ground or be lowered into the grave. Inside a.. When on a speaker's podium, the flag should be either above and behind the speaker, or to the speaker's right as he faces the audience. b.. When displayed either horizontally or vertically against a wall, the union (blue field) should be uppermost and to the flag's right, that is, the observer's left. c.. 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Glad to get that info about Margery Smith Pearson of Pownal-fee, Cheshire being the sister of Mary, wife of Daniel Williamson, Sr., since I descend from Mary and Daniel through either their son Daniel, Jr. or son Thomas Williamson, one of whom was the father of my Mary Williamson who married George Eavenson. Info I have from Cope's papers seems to me that Cope believed Daniel, Jr. was the father of Mary Williamson Eavenson, notwithstanding that others believe Thomas, Daniel, Jr.'s brother, was her father. Chandler Eavenson -----Original Message----- From: George Smedley [mailto:smedley.george@att.net] Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 2:25 PM To: PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PaOldC] Pearson-Peirson Thomas Pearson,or Peirson,of Pownall-fee,Cheshire,mason,m.2-18-1683,at Thomas Janney's house,Pownal-fee,Margery Smith,of that place,dau.of Robert and Ellen Smith. This Margery Smith was sister to Mary,wife of Daniel Williamson. visit"The George Smedley Homepage" http://smedley.lewis.home.att.net additional photos at http://smedley.george.home.att.net ==== PA-OLD-CHESTER Mailing List ==== " Unsubscribing. To leave PA-old-chester-l, send mail to PA-old-chester-l-request@rootsweb.com with the single word unsubscribe in the message or subject slot." NO VIRUS WARNINGS - if you are concerned contact me PERSONALLY ferg@ntelos.net Visit the archives for this list to view old postings http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=PA-OLD-CHESTER (this site allows you to search for names, place, etc...... http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/pa-old-chester this site allows you to browse by month.. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Would then guess that he might be the one responsible for the naming of Chester since he was of Cheshire, England and he was painted by Benjamin West with Penn. And the descendant of the other Thomas Pearson/Pierson may be the one who erred? Nadine Holder ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Smedley" <smedley.george@att.net> To: <PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 11:25 AM Subject: [PaOldC] Pearson-Peirson > Thomas Pearson,or Peirson,of Pownall-fee,Cheshire,mason,m.2-18-1683,at > Thomas Janney's house,Pownal-fee,Margery Smith,of that place,dau.of Robert > and Ellen Smith. > > This Margery Smith was sister to Mary,wife of Daniel Williamson. > > visit"The George Smedley Homepage" > http://smedley.lewis.home.att.net > additional photos at > http://smedley.george.home.att.net > > > ==== PA-OLD-CHESTER Mailing List ==== > > " Unsubscribing. To leave PA-old-chester-l, send mail to > PA-old-chester-l-request@rootsweb.com > with the single word unsubscribe in the message or subject slot." > > > NO VIRUS WARNINGS - if you are concerned contact me PERSONALLY > ferg@ntelos.net > > Visit the archives for this list to view old postings > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=PA-OLD-CHESTER > (this site allows you to search for names, place, etc...... > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/pa-old-chester > this site allows you to browse by month.. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Thomas Pearson,or Peirson,of Pownall-fee,Cheshire,mason,m.2-18-1683,at Thomas Janney's house,Pownal-fee,Margery Smith,of that place,dau.of Robert and Ellen Smith. This Margery Smith was sister to Mary,wife of Daniel Williamson. visit"The George Smedley Homepage" http://smedley.lewis.home.att.net additional photos at http://smedley.george.home.att.net

Many thanks, Sandra, for your look-ups, your patience, and for separate comments on name spelling. In addition to the LLewelyn and Llewellyn that I am aware of from the 1600s, I have recently learned of the spelling Lewelling from another listserv, known as the Quaker Corner, http://www.rootsweb.com/~quakers, abbreviated Q-R. Two brothers lived in Iowa and Oregon in the 1899s and appear to be related to my ancestors, although, including me has yet worked out the connection. By the way, from this list I learned of the QBI listserv, devoted to Quakers from Brtian and ireland and connecterd with a distant cousin of the Marriage family, a different ancestral branch who never, to my knowledge were in Chester County. (Can you imagine what computer searching for that name brings up?). If that rings a bell with anyone, drop me a line. However, so far QBI has not brought me any infomration on the origin of Morris and my Llewellyn/Llewelyn/Lewelling ancestors. Happy ancestor-hunting to you all. Eleanor --- Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> wrote: > THE HISTORY OF CHESTER COUNTY, > I looked Morris up in it and the only mention of him is on a doc. > dated > 5th 12thm 1701,,, as purchasers of the Welsh Tract....He bought 500 > acres. > > The CD of wills has the same Llewellin spelling in a will of > 1709, > where he is listed as a friend ...there is also a will (that of > Morgan > David), in Philly, where Morris is included as an overseer for the > will. I > can find no will for Morris himself. > > From Early Court Records1697-1710... > 1697..."Morris Lewellin (3 llls) brought a woman servant whose name > is > ...........who was adjudged to sarve five years from this Court to > the said > Morris Lewellin or his Assignes." > > 1710 Morris and others attested to the death by drowning of Richard > Bevan. > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.2/349 - Release Date: > 5/26/2006 > > > ==== PA-OLD-CHESTER Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribing.... To leave PA-old-chester-l, send mail to > PA-old-chester-l-request@rootsweb.com with the single word > unsubscribe in the message or subject slot. > > > NO VIRUS WARNINGS - if you are concerned contact me PERSONALLY > ferg@ntelos.net > > please visit the Chester Co rootsweb site...it is full of area > photos, helpful URLs and lots of county information > http://www.pa-roots.com/~chester/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and > the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

History of Chester County, PA, by Heathcote, p. 346, mentions that Mary TATE, dau. of ROBERT TATE of Philadelphia, m. William Branson, merchant of Philadelphia. Branson was b. in 1684 in Sonning, Berkshire, England. Mary died in Phila. 1725/26. Perhaps a search of Philadelphia Quaker records might yield more information about this family. Marj in NC -----Original Message----- From: Dutton Family [mailto:rdutton1@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 12:32 PM To: PA-OLD-CHESTER-D@rootsweb.com Subject: TATE emigration to Chester _________________________

Would these be friends, neighbors? It does not give the ship, but does give their origin. Some of these appear to be men you listed before. http://www.myroots.faithweb.com/DARBYTOWNSHIP.htm This appears to be part of a web site of Eleanor J. Sibbert. Many dates are missing and she also states that "not only is the original book lost, but in recent years the copy made for Upper Darby has been lost or secreted." Ancestry has the following information which might list the actual ship. I take these to my local library and they either find them for me or get interlibrary loans which allows me weeks to view them. Good luck! Anne Primary Immigrant: Wood, George Annotation: Provides the names of some who arrived in America between the years 1682 and 1686, and who settled between 1687 and 1760. Also in no. 8370, Sheppard, Passengers and Ships prior to 1684. Source Bibliography: BUNTING, MORGAN. "The Names of the Early Settlers of Darby Township, Chester County, Pennsylvania." In The Pennsylvania Magazine of History and Biography, vol. 24:2 (1900), pp. 179-185. Page: 179 Primary Immigrant: Wood, George Annotation: This excellent work contains over 3,000 names and an index to vessels. Reprints the following articles with corrections, additions, and new materials: "The Real Welcome Passengers," by Marion Balderston (no. 242) pp. 1-26; "Pennsylvania's 1683 Ships," (no Source Bibliography: SHEPPARD, WALTER LEE, JR., compiler and editor. Passengers and Ships prior to 1684. (Publications of the Welcome Society of Pennsylvania, 1.) Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1970. 245p. Reprinted by Heritage Books, Bowie, MD, 1985. Page: 208 In a message dated 5/27/06 5:59:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, smedley.george@att.net writes: > Cope indicates that most of the signers of George Smedley's marriage > certificate were also shipmates on the voyage over > They are > George Wood > Richard Bonsall > Thomas Worth > John Blunston > Joshua Fearne (fferne) > Thomas Hood > I cannot find any of these names on any ship list. > I fear they were never recorded or the list was lost > >

THE HISTORY OF CHESTER COUNTY, I looked Morris up in it and the only mention of him is on a doc. dated 5th 12thm 1701,,, as purchasers of the Welsh Tract....He bought 500 acres. The CD of wills has the same Llewellin spelling in a will of 1709, where he is listed as a friend ...there is also a will (that of Morgan David), in Philly, where Morris is included as an overseer for the will. I can find no will for Morris himself. From Early Court Records1697-1710... 1697..."Morris Lewellin (3 llls) brought a woman servant whose name is ...........who was adjudged to sarve five years from this Court to the said Morris Lewellin or his Assignes." 1710 Morris and others attested to the death by drowning of Richard Bevan. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.2/349 - Release Date: 5/26/2006

Cope indicates that most of the signers of George Smedley's marriage certificate were also shipmates on the voyage over They are George Wood Richard Bonsall Thomas Worth John Blunston Joshua Fearne (fferne) Thomas Hood I cannot find any of these names on any ship list. I fear they were never recorded or the list was lost Visit"The George Smedley Homepage" http://smedley.lewis.home.att.net additional photos at http://smedley.george.home.att.net

There were two Thomas Pearsons in the same time frame - Thomas who died 1734 and married to Margery Smith and Thomas who died 1722 married to Rose Dixon. It was in the biography of Nereus Mendenhall, descendant of Thomas and Rose where the supposed Penn/Pearson encounter is found. Assume he was talking about his ancestor Thomas who married Rose but then assumptions are where mistakes usually come from! Benjamin West did the painting of Penn and Pearson together so that mixes things up further. Nadine Holder ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Smedley" <smedley.george@att.net> To: "Nadine Holder" <nadineholder72@ssvecnet.com>; "PaOldCh" <pa-old-chester-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Naming of Chester > Nadine > I won't ask about your two mistakes but you may be right about it being a > legend.I found this. > Among the passengers on the "Endeavour," of London,George Thorp, > master,which arrived here the 29th of 7 mo.,1683,beside the Howells and > Taylors above mentioned,were Thomas Pearson and Margery his wife,the > grandparents of Benjamin West,who came from Pownall,in Cheshire;also John > Pearson,his brother,and Mary Smith,his wife's sister.These two doubtless > came as servants in order to get their 50 acres each,and a warrant for > that > amount was granted Oct.6,1683.The land was located in Marple. > > I believe Penn was here from 1682-1684 > > Lew > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nadine Holder" <nadineholder72@ssvecnet.com> > To: <PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 11:47 AM > Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Naming of Chester > > >>I believe this is a legend as Thomas Pearson/Pierson to whom this is >>attributed never sailed with Penn. Pearson's two trips to America are >>documented and neither was with Penn. I could be wrong - have been at >>least twice in my life! Nadine Holder >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "George Smedley" <smedley.george@att.net> >> To: <PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 8:19 AM >> Subject: [PaOldC] Naming of Chester >> >> >>> Naming of Chester >>> >>> Prior to the arrival of William Penn the settled part of the province >>> was >>> known as Upland County, with the seat of justice at Upland, now Chester, >>> where courts had been held at least from 1676. "A letter addressed to >>> Ephraim Herman, in respect to summoning a Court to be held at New Castle >>> on the 2d of November, and dated at Upland on the 29th of October, shows >>> that William Penn had then arrived at his seat of government. He may >>> have >>> arrived the day before. The fancy of the artist has portrayed the >>> landing >>> of Penn at Upland; but neither the hour, the day, nor the manner of his >>> landing, is certainly known." Dr. George Smith, in the History of >>> Delaware County, continuing and quoting from Clarkson, says: >>> >>> "He landed at Upland, but the place was to bear that familiar name no >>> more forever. Without reflection Penn determined that the name of the >>> place should be changed. Turning round to his friend Pearson, one of his >>> own Society, who had accompanied him in the ship Welcome, he said, >>> 'Providence has brought us here safe. , Thou hast been the companion of >>> my perils. What wilt thou that I should call this place?' Pearson said >>> 'Chester,' in remembrance of the city from whence he came. William Penn >>> replied that it should be called Chester, and that when he divided the >>> land into counties one of them should be called by the same name. 'thus, >>> from a mere whim the name of the oldest town, the name of the whole >>> settled part of the province, the name that would naturally have a place >>> in the affections of a large majority of the inhabitants of the new >>> province, was effaced to gratify the caprice or vanity of a friend." >>> >>> visit"The George Smedley Homepage" >>> http://smedley.lewis.home.att.net >>> additional photos at >>> http://smedley.george.home.att.net >>> >>> >>> ==== PA-OLD-CHESTER Mailing List ==== >>> Unsubscribing..... 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In a message dated 5/27/2006 7:58:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, Jrcinsd2@aol.com writes: which ship an ancestor came over on? I am descended from Howell JAMES who came over in the 1680s. thanks in advance for heading me in the right direction. Welsh and a Friend, he might be found on Usgenweb with the Merion Meeting records, there is a ships list associated with them. Below is the link to the Burials at Merion Meeting. http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/chester/cemet.htm I forget where the site of the Merion Meeting History is, a private site (meaning only that it isn't Rootsweb/USgenweb) if you browse the Quaker Roots list for the last two months notices were sent there. Eliz

Hi Folks - Love this discussion re. emigration.. and just wanted to ask if anyone has any information abt. my TATE, and the exact date of emigration... was supposed to have come 1683 and with other Quakers, but I have not found any documents or ship lists that show this.... my ancestor was CHARLES TATE born 1677 in England and died in Penn. His child was GEORGE TATE b. 1695 Chester, Penn., who married CATHERINE MALIN daughter of RANDALL MALIN and MARY HOLLINGSWORTH , in 1721, Chester.( Quaker )...... I have been unable to determine who CHARLES TATE married, here in Penn.,( who was the mother of GEORGE ?? ) and I am trying to determine who he emigrated to Penn. with, as he appears to have been a child., also his date of death , and where.......... ..... .. His father was a WILLIAM TATE b. abt. 1632 in Owston, Lincolnshire, England, who married a MARGARET DEVIS Nov. 30, 1672 , but there is no mention of them emigrating...... there is! a mention of the parents of WILLIAM , a ROBERT TATE b. 1606 in England, and a FRANCIS , also having a son CHARLES TATE b. abt. 1640 , as marrying a ANN in New Castle, Del. This might indicate that CHARLES b. 1677 could have emigrated with his father's brother CHARLES b. 1640, but I have found no record of this , and no listing for any TATE in the ships lists.... The children of GEORGE TATE and CATHERINE MALIN show my 4th GrGrandfather WILLIAM TATE born 1732 in Mill Creek Hundred, New Castle Co. , Del. , so it would appear that they settled in the same area as the older CHARLES TATE......... WILLIAM b. 1732 married MARTHA DIXON ( daughter of HENRY and RUTH JONES ) 1753 at Hockessin, Del. firstly, and secondly married ANN NICHOLS DIXON 1763 at Kennett Meeting , in Chester...... I have gone over Quaker records and not found any mention of either of the CHARLES TATE, so by bringing this query up now I might 'ring a be! ll' with someone who can set me on the trail, or provide a clue.... Thanks for any help on this, Sally

By the way, I looked Howell up in the Edgmont - Story of a Town book, and find that, in the document, below, Howell's name is spelled Howard James...so, that's another name to keep in mind when researching. George, have you seen the Edgmont book? If not, let me know....there are many Smedley references, although many of them are these blasted confusing roadways requests...references to their membership in the Willistown Meeting, etc....and, many of later generations..... Did you know that there is something called The Smedley Book (mentioned in the Edgmont book...nothing else said about it) Sandra -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/347 - Release Date: 5/24/2006

Hi Janice: If you have a male (father, brother, uncle or cousin) with the last name James we would love to have you join the James DNA test and order a Y-DNA test for him. We have one person in the test now who claims descent from Howell James and we would love to be able to prove the DNA line for Howell James with another match. We have one man from James James 1650-64 Chester, PA or Pembrokeshire, Wales-1708 Chester Co, PA and we have four men from David James, c1669, probably Wales - 1739 Chester Co, PA. So right now we have three separate James families that came to Chester Co, PA represented in the James DNA test. See our website at: http://www.jamesdna.net Gwen Boyer Bjorkman gwenbj@seanet.com -----Original Message----- From: Jrcinsd2@aol.com [mailto:Jrcinsd2@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 4:58 AM To: PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PaOldC] finding ancestor's ship I'm following this idea with great interest. Since I live in the Pacific Northwest it is not possible for me to do in-person research in PA. I don't want or ask anyone to do my research for me.....is there a way on-line to find out which ship an ancestor came over on? I am descended from Howell JAMES who came over in the 1680s. thanks in advance for heading me in the right direction. Janice

Janice Howel James was a neighbor of George seeing as how the road went through both properties.Maybe they were on the same ship Laid out a High way from Edgmond to y° Kings High way in Chester, being a sixty foote road, by vertue of an order of Court bearing date y° 4th of October 1687 ; laid out by vs whose hands are vnder Written as followeth (viz) Beginning att Joseph Bakers fence of his Cleared land, thence through ye land of ye said Joseph Baker, thence crosse William Lewis land, thence Crosse Howel James land, thence Crosse Jacob Simcocks land, thence Crosse James Kenerly, thence Crosse a parcell of vacant land, then Crosse Roger Jackson, thence Crosse vacant land, thence Crosse John Boweter Land, thence Crosse David Ogdens land, thence Crosse John Hodgkins land, thence Crosse George Smedleys land, thence Crosse Wm. Edwards land, thence Widdow Musgroves land, thence Crosse Robert Burrowes land, thence Crosse John Maylens land, thence Crosse John Bowetters land, thence Crosse Joseph Cooksons land, thence Crosse Jeremy Garters land, thence Crosse Richard Barnards land, thence Crosse John Worells land, thence Crosse Thomas Taylors land, then Crosse Richard Crosbyes land, then Crosse John Martens land, then Crosse John Hastens land. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jrcinsd2@aol.com> To: <PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 7:58 AM Subject: [PaOldC] finding ancestor's ship > I'm following this idea with great interest. Since I live in the Pacific > Northwest it is not possible for me to do in-person research in PA. I > don't want > or ask anyone to do my research for me.....is there a way on-line to find > out > which ship an ancestor came over on? > > I am descended from Howell JAMES who came over in the 1680s. > > thanks in advance for heading me in the right direction. > > Janice > > > ==== PA-OLD-CHESTER Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribing. To leave PA-old-chester-l, send mail to > PA-old-chester-l-request@rootsweb.com > with the single word unsubscribe in the message or subject slot." > > > NO VIRUS WARNINGS - if you are concerned contact me PERSONALLY > ferg@ntelos.net > > Visit the archives for this list to view old postings > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=PA-OLD-CHESTER > If you have ANY problems, do not send them to the list > contact me personally....list manager ferg@ntelos.net > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Have you gone through all those lists I have placed on the Chester Co site?.....there are a lot of names included. Have you visited the sites whose URLs I included under Passengers and Ships, also on the site? Read through the Quaker info, and that under Passengers and Ships, and visit the other sites.... It all comes down to luck, as to whether the ship's list your ancestor was on is still extant. Most aren't, I'm afraid. There was no legal reason to keep these lists so most were simply tossed. So, the answer to your question ".....is there a way on-line to find out which ship an ancestor came over on?"....the answer is "who knows?" from THE HISTORY OF CHESTER COUNTY, by Futhey and Cope?...(in case you don't have it.....I thought it was interesting) In 1709, the "ffriends under ye Iron Hills", near Elk River, were allowed to have a meeting once a month at the house of Howell James. In 1714, it was allowed to be held every First-day, but in 1716, after the death of Howell James, it was discontinued. Apparently Howell died intestate, for there appears to be recorded only adm. papers and not a will.... HOWELL, WILLIAM.. March 10, 1719/20.Adm. to Ralph Pyle Sandra ".....is there a way on-line to find out which ship an ancestor came over on? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/347 - Release Date: 5/24/2006

Here is another ship list source (Sandy didn't see it on the Chester site) http://english-america.com/index.html#top It is a work in progress and you can only search by ship name but if you are getting really desparate it might be another source. And another reason you may not find your ancestor even if you know the ship and have a list (I wrote this some years ago before I had learned the value of references!) It was not until about 1750 that there was a law to prevent the close packing of passengers and that law only specified that each passenger over the age of 14 be given a space six feet by eighteen inches and that each child under 14 be given half a space (imagine how closely they packed passengers before that date!) I also read at that time that the ships leaving English ports with their allotted number of passengers based on space would then tack into ports around England, Scotland, and Ireland picking up additional passengers that would not then show on the ship's manifest. In addition to the above the ship's were not interested in cargo such as family possessions unless astronomical fees were paid so families might try to cram their possessions into their space allotment as well. Nadine Holder

I'm following this idea with great interest. Since I live in the Pacific Northwest it is not possible for me to do in-person research in PA. I don't want or ask anyone to do my research for me.....is there a way on-line to find out which ship an ancestor came over on? I am descended from Howell JAMES who came over in the 1680s. thanks in advance for heading me in the right direction. Janice