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    1. new cemetery reading submissions to genweb
    2. Sandra Ferguson
    3. http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/chester/cemeteries/cheyney.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/chester/cemeteries/oxford.txt -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006

    07/07/2006 09:00:26
    1. Lafayette's Visit & the Gilpin Family
    2. Nelda Percival
    3. Hi Beth, Excellent write up, Thank you.. But here are some points needing to be clarified: Your: son George, then living at Alexandria, Virginia, quickly entered the army, becoming a colonel of the Fairfax militia. George Washington knew him, and the two became close. Joseph was with the General in the Battle of Dorchester Heights, Massachusetts, and remained with him until the close of the war. Later, George was intimately associated with Washington in a navigation investigation of the Potomac River, and the close friendship between the two men endured until the death of Washington. Col. George Gilpin was one of the pallbearers at Washington's funeral. ~~~~~~~~~~ Answer: George Washington was George Gilpin's cousin.. Distant yes.. but cousins! #1c. William Gilpin William Gilpin, who married Elizabeth Washington, the daughter of Thomas Washington of Hall Head, County Westmoreland, and his wife Ann Duckett. Washington was the great-grandson of Robert Washington, Lord of Milburne, who has as one of his descendants, U.S. President George Washington.12 (Washington was originally spelled de Wesington,) Ann was the daughter of Thomas Duckett and Elean or Harrington. She died in 1587. Gilpin was buried at Kendal Parish on 23 January 1577. William and Elizabeth (Washington) Gilpin had twelve children, the eldest son was George Gilpin who inherited Kentmere Hall. George Gilpin listed under your above, is a direct descendant of Joseph Gilpin and Hannah Glover who is a descendant of the Gilpin & Washington marriage listed above. ~~~~~~~~~ Also your: The Gilpins, as a Quaker farm family, opposed to war, and when their home was commandeered, the family found itself unwittingly embroiled in the bitter action. Answer: THey were Quakers but not all of the family were against the WAR!... Most choise not to support it because of being Quakers..But some did! But there was no opposition to it.. as stated above, they did not go either way.. 5. Gideon Gilpin 55 - Born 4 December 1738. Married 1st on 1 December 1762, to Sarah Gregg; 2nd on 11 November 1810, to Mrs. Susanna Hoops. Inn-keeper, his place was used by General Lafayette as his headquarters at the Battle of Brandywine. In July 18 25, Lafayette returned and visited Gideon on his sick-bed. Gideon died a short time later on 20 August 1825.56 Private in Pennsylvania during Revolutionary War.57 ALSO GIDEON WAS NEVER PAID FOR THE DAMAGES DONE TO THE FARM OR LIVESTOCK... ~~~~~~~~~ 6. Israel Gilpin - Born 1 October 1740. Married on 12 January 1765, to Elizabeth Hannum, at Old Swedes Church, Wilmington, Delaware. Removed to Bourbon County, Kentucky about 1790. Settled in 1828 at Boone County, Kentucky, before 1790. He died on 4 July 1834, Burlington, Boone County, Kentucky. Colonel in Delaware Regiment during Revolutionary War.59 Nelda Gilpin Percival A Full line Gilpin researcher Gilpin History & Genealogy at: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Also GILPIN DNA Project at: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Nelda's websites - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ yDNA tests for Hurst, Beatty, Gilpin; all male relatives

    07/07/2006 06:32:30
    1. Lafayette's Visit & the Gilpin Family
    2. Beth McMakin
    3. Being descended from the Gilpin family of Chester County, I have this referring to Lafayette's return visit. During the Revolutionary War, George Washington and the Marquis de Lafayette established headquarters near Chadds Ford where the British were expected to cross the river. General Lafayette and his officers quartered in the house of Gideon Gilpin. The Gilpins, as a Quaker farm family, opposed to war, and when their home was commandeered, the family found itself unwittingly embroiled in the bitter action. At the time, five of their seven children were living there. Lafayette was wounded on the second day of fighting and brought back to the Gilpin house. After the battle, the Gilpin property was plundered by foraging British soldiers. Gideon filed a claim for losses totaling 502 English pounds that included 10 milk cows, 1 yoke of oxen, 48 sheep, 28 swine, 12 tons of hay, 230 bushels of wheat, 50 pounds of bacon, a history book and one gun. According to "The History of Chester County" by Futhey and Cope, "Forty-eight years later, General Lafayette returned to America and Chester County amid much ceremony and honor on the invitation of President Monroe. During his tour, Lafayette insisted upon calling upon the Gilpin family at their Chadds Ford home. He found Gideon aged, ill and abed. 'The sick man was gratified at the sight of the veteran, who pressed his hand cordially and wished him every blessing.'" The house was restored in the 1950's and is associated with the Brandywine Battlefield Park. To digress a bit farther back, I find the arrival of Joseph Gilpin in Chester County from England to be an interesting story: At the time of his marriage, Joseph was a weaver in Dorchester, England, about 2 miles from the Thames River. In the fall of 1695 Joseph, his wife Hannah (Glover), their two children; and Joseph’s relatives, John West and his family, followed William Penn to America after being subjected to persecution as Friends in England. Joseph's grandson, Isaac Glover Gilpin records the family's arrival in America after landing on the banks of the Delaware River and taking off on foot with everything they owned, "About ten or eleven miles distant from New Castle, night overtook them. In this situation they applied at the habitation of an early settler for shelter, which was refused them... Fortunately some of the natives lived near, into whose wigwams they were received and treated kindly, and they lodged there for their first night ashore in America... Next morning, being refreshed, they went on and arrived in Birmingham township, Chester County... They had at first to dig a cave in the earth (on the banks of Brandywine Creek) and went into it, in which they lived for four or five years, and where two children were born... After Joseph Gilpin had resided in the cave for four or five years, he built a house and barn near the cave, but this was burnt, and then (about 1720) he built a frame house a few hundred yards to the westward. It was built two stories high 16 feet by 18 feet, a superb edifice for the time (in 1730 he built a large brick addition). ...There were a number of Indian wigwams on the farm of Joseph Gilpin, and the account we have is that they all lived together in perfect harmony... Joseph Gilpin's house was seldom clear of the Indians who frequently slept there, perhaps a dozen or more at a time - men, women and children, all peaceably and with much friendship... The children of Joseph Gilpin gave very pleasant and interesting accounts of their sports and games with Indian boys, of their shooting with them for days at a time with bows and arrows. There was no quarreling or fighting." After some modifications, the house is still standing after passing on through the generations. The Gilpin's hospitality was also extended to all newly arrived emigrants, in contrast to their own reception the night after their landing. Isaac Gilpin writes, "As he was so well known there great numbers of families on coming over, came to his house, where they were kindly received and entertained week after week. As an evidence of this writer, who was an inmate of Joseph's family, knew that he killed upwards of 30 hogs and 7 or 8 beeves in the fall season, and the meat was all duly and frugally consumed by the next harvest. Hannah Gilpin was the best of housewives, and superior to most in intellect and friendly conduct." Thomas Chalkey, the Quaker preacher and traveler, makes the following note in his journal in 1740, "Lodged at the widow Gilpin's, whose husband, Joseph Gilpin, was lately deceased; there was true Christian Love and Friendship between us for above fifty years. When first I saw Joseph in Pennsylvania, he lived in a cave in the Earth, where we enjoyed each others Company in the Love and Fear of God. This Friend had fifteen children, who he lived to see brought up to the States of Men and Women, and all but two married well and to his mind." Joseph and Hannah presented their marriage certificate and letter of membership from England which were recorded in the Concord Meeting of 10 February 1695. Joseph's will was written in 1739. Most of Joseph and Hannah's children died before the Revolutionary War, but son George, then living at Alexandria, Virginia, quickly entered the army, becoming a colonel of the Fairfax militia. George Washington knew him, and the two became close. Joseph was with the General in the Battle of Dorchester Heights, Massachusetts, and remained with him until the close of the war. Later, George was intimately associated with Washington in a navigation investigation of the Potomac River, and the close friendship between the two men endured until the death of Washington. Col. George Gilpin was one of the pallbearers at Washington's funeral. Beth McMakin

    07/07/2006 03:29:47
    1. Using maps in Genealogy...
    2. Laura Anderson
    3. Since we are talking a little bit about maps... From the USGS (United States Geological Survey) website: http://erg.usgs.gov/isb/pubs/factsheets/fs09902.html A few how-to's and why use map tidbits from the USGS. Great maps, aerial photos and more. Some of you might already know this, but maybe it'll help someone along the way. I was just at the Denver USGS with my daughter's Girl Scout troop and they are so willing to help and answer questions. The aerial photos are awesome. You can order all kinds of maps. Laura

    07/06/2006 02:32:57
    1. Welsh patronymic naming
    2. Sandra Ferguson
    3. This site has some interesting 'twists' on the Welsh patronymic naming, including a list of the most common Welsh surnames. S. http://www.amlwchdata.co.uk/welsh_surnames.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006

    07/06/2006 12:00:03
    1. Lafatette's return
    2. Sandra Ferguson
    3. Names extracted from the article on Lafayette's visit to Chester in 1824. Capt. Lauer, capt of Washington Guards; Capt Fleming of the Wayne Guards; Col Joseph McClellan who had served as a capt under Lafayette; Gen Isaac Barnard; Judge Darlington who delivered a brief address at the Court house. Another Lafayette meeting Aug 28, 1824....Hon. Isaac Darlington was Chairman and John W. Cunningham, Exp, sect...resolution from this meeting signed by; Col Joseph McClellan, Col Jacob Humphrey, Col Isaac Wayne, Dr Jacob Ehrenzeller, Col Cromwell Pearce, Gen Isaac D. Barnard, Gen John W. Cunningham, Dr Wm Darlington, Gen Joshua Evans, Abram Baily. Before his visit to the battle-ground, he lodged with Messrs. Duponts....met by John W Cunningham, Samspn Babb and Wm Williamson...Louis McLane, N.G. Williamson, Joseph S Lewis, Tilghman , Biddle (from Philly) Received at Chads ford by Capt Wm Anderson, Col J. McClellan, MAj Gen Isaac D. Barnard, Col Lieper, Daniel Buckwalter, Brig Gens Evans, Stanley, Lieut Jones, Maj Wilson...Jesse Sharpe, Thomas H. B. Jacobs, Jesse Conard, Samuel Babb, Wm Williamson, Joshua Hunt, Thomas H. Brinton, Joshua Mc Mann, Isaac Trimble, David Potts Jr, Richard Walker, Jonathan Jones, Joseph P McClellan. The ensemble, consisting of many Chester Co Volunteer Regts., proceeded through Chester where Lafayette reviewed the troops at the Friends' meeting house out High Street,. Lafayette and aids rested at the home of Ziba Pyle, chief burgess before going to the juryroom in the courthouse, for dinner....provided by Mr Eber Worthington, proprietor of the Turk's Head Hotel. Those presenting toasts...Isaac Wayne, Capt Wm Anderson; Gen John W Cunningham; Ziba Pyle; Grig Gen Joshua Evans; Dr Wm Darlington; LEwis McLane; Abraham BAily; Joseph S Lewis. After the dinner he spent the night at the home of Ziba Pyle, on Gay St, The next morning he had breakfast at Maj John Filson's at Humphreyville. After breakfast Lafayette left for Lancaster accompanied by Geo B. Porter, chairman of the Lancaster committee........the Chester committee returned to their homes. There was no mention of any meeting with any of the Masonic lodges, etc.... S. " I think most of my ancestors were gone from Chester County by then. I am specifically interested in activities such as dinners with Masons, notable public figures he was associated with and where he stayed, and when. The Lancaster and Harrisburg visits seem to have been close to each other but I gather that Lafayette spent a lengthy visit in the US circa 1825. " -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006

    07/06/2006 09:57:32
    1. Re: [PaOldC] David ap Thomas
    2. Sandra Ferguson
    3. The ap was not used much in this country, but the patronymic naming system persisted for a while. This means that the children took the given name of their father for their surname...Thus, John ap David was John, the son of David, or John David... who was the son of David Cadwallader....and, David Cadwallader had been the son of Cadwallader Jones, and so on. This is the reason that Welsh research can be so challenging...the surname changed every generation, and there was really no way to know the surname of someone's father...only his given name, which had become the surname of the children.... S. , I wonder if someone would explain on the list the "ap" included in some of the old Welsh names, i.e., David ap Thomas." -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006

    07/06/2006 08:50:04
    1. St. Martin's Marcus Hook and William Thomas of Chichester
    2. ltguidetti
    3. Hi all - Does anyone know where I can find a list of the graves from the cemetery at St. Martin's church in Marcus Hook? (Helen - I know you have the soldier walk but I am looking for someone who was not a soldier.) I am looking for information on William Thomas, who was the first grave-digger for that church when it was first built. He owned property in Lower Chichester. I was at the DCHS yesterday and found his name on a property map which I think came from 1693, but can't find hide nor hair of him. He's not the same William Thomas from Newtown. Was thinking maybe he'd be buried in St. Martin's..... Thanks - Lynn

    07/06/2006 07:25:40
    1. PHOTOs -- now posted on http://www.mendenhall.org
    2. Violet Guy
    3. MFA has very recently downloaded Thumbprint Photos on their Website: http://www.mendenhall.org/mfa/tng/browsephotos.php http://www.mendenhall.org/mfa/tng/showphoto.php?photoID=158 Hannah Mendenhall, d/o Elijah & Mary (Kendall) Mendenhall -- and a granddaughter of James J. & Hannah (Thomas) Mendenhall. http://www.mendenhall.org/mfa/tng/showphoto.php?personID=I22834&tree=Mendenhall&ordernum=1 (photo) My 5G-Gandmother, Hannah (Thomas) Mendenhall is said to be 6 ft tall! I could imagine this lady above looking like her grandmother. This Hannah's brother is James W. Mendenhall, my 3G-Grandfather. **************** MyGranparents, James Whitcomb Moore & wife, Orrie Emily Greene are included, and each has a photo on his/her webpage. http://www.mendenhall.org/mfa/tng/showphoto.php?personID=I16586&tree=Mendenhall&ordernum=1 James W. Moore (Thumbprint Photo) (For Orrie Emily Greene, come from James Whitcomb Moore's website page or go to http://www.mendenhall.org/mfa/tng/showphoto.php?photoID=229.) These 2 pictures are silluette (sp) wedding pictures mounded under an oval frame, now hanging in my house. My granddaughters take guests to see Grandpa Moore's picture for because their father/our son Jeff looks like his grandfather. James W. Moore is the son of Elvira Mendenhall md. Rev. Hiram C. Moore in Indiana. James, Orrie & infant son, Orrin migrated from Iowa to Oregon in 1877; and they were followed by Elvira and 3 of her other sons, later. I grew-up on the Family Lands with our house built on the widow, Elvira (Mendenhall) Moore's BLM Claim. Violet Moore Guy 07/06/2006

    07/06/2006 07:00:53
    1. Re: Joseph Townsend Family in Chester
    2. Judy Ardine
    3. Check with your local library's reference and genealogy departments. They may be able to locate a copy thru the interlibrary loan system. If it was a private printing and you know approximately where the author lived check w/that state's state library and w/local libraries in the area she lived. Many author's donate a copy of their private printing to their local and state library genealogy departments and often to the FHC in Salt Lake City. Check SLC's website to see if it is in their collections. Some authors even donate a copy to the Library of Congress.

    07/06/2006 06:37:29
    1. Re: [PaOldC] Re: Joseph Townsend Family in Chester
    2. Kim Spangrude
    3. THanks, Judy, for this info. It was very helpful; I called the FHC here in SLC where I live, and they searched a national library data base search engine and found a copy in the Historical Society of Pennsylvania. I appreciate your kind guidance. Kim Townsend Spangrude On Jul 6, 2006, at 10:37 AM, Judy Ardine wrote: > Check with your local library's reference and genealogy departments. > They may be able to locate a copy thru the interlibrary loan system. > If it was a private printing and you know approximately where the > author lived check w/that state's state library and w/local libraries > in the area she lived. Many author's donate a copy of their private > printing to their local and state library genealogy departments and > often to the FHC in Salt Lake City. Check SLC's website to see if it > is in their collections. Some authors even donate a copy to the > Library of Congress. > > > ==== PA-OLD-CHESTER Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribing. To leave PA-old-chester-l, send mail to > PA-old-chester-l-request@rootsweb.com > with the single word unsubscribe in the message or subject slot." > > > NO VIRUS WARNINGS - if you are concerned contact me PERSONALLY > ferg@ntelos.net > > Visit the archives for this list to view old postings > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=PA-OLD- > CHESTER > > If you have ANY problems, do not send them to the list..contact me > personally....list manager ferg@ntelos.net > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

    07/06/2006 05:46:40
    1. Re: [PaOldC] David ap Thomas
    2. Richard Huey
    3. "ap" is merely "son of" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Anderson" <kalkowski@mindspring.com> To: <PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 11:31 AM Subject: [PaOldC] David ap Thomas > Hello, > > As I am learning more about Old Chester, its times and its people, I > wonder if someone would explain on the list the "ap" included in some of > the old Welsh names, i.e., David ap Thomas. > > I have seen it in more than one case and I haven't understood its > meaning. > > Thank you, > Laura > > > ==== PA-OLD-CHESTER Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribing. To leave PA-old-chester-l, send mail to > PA-old-chester-l-request@rootsweb.com > with the single word unsubscribe in the message or subject slot." > > > NO VIRUS WARNINGS - if you are concerned contact me PERSONALLY > ferg@ntelos.net > > Visit the archives for this list to view old postings > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=PA-OLD-CHESTER > > If you have ANY problems, do not send them to the list..contact me > personally....list manager ferg@ntelos.net > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

    07/06/2006 05:38:25
    1. RE: [PaOldC] Rangers + Lafatette's return
    2. Mal Humes
    3. >The certificate was for 10 + years after Lafayette's return to Chester, But it was also two years after his death, which was probably as notable an event there as it was in other places like Lancaster. >It just seem more military than celebratory. Perhaps it was a militia, but as you suggested before it doesn't seem like an era when there was a particular need for one. The again, on October 2, 1835, the Texas Revolution broke out as the Mexican state of Texas declared independence from the Mexican government. But the only references to the Rangers I can find seem to be references to parades. Which probably makes sense, as I would expect a militia wouldn't have done more than marching drills and readiness exercises if there was no need for combat. I was quite curious about the Gen. Simon Cameron reference as he was too young to have served in 1812 and it seems odd he would have been a general at that time and that's one reason I assumed it was more a club than an active military group. I believe Cameron was a General at the start of the Civil war. In the 1830's I think he worked at the bank of Middletown. The other thing that seemed curious was whether the certificate is saying he'd served 7 years by 1836, or if that's the date the battalion was attached to Chester. The other article cited the Rangers as starting in 1834 and I do think that the name was probably attached at that point in honor of Lafayette's death. There may have been more than one group of rangers. There appears to have been a Florida Lafayette Rangers in the Civil War, and it looked like there may have been a baseball team at some point too. But I would think there would be more references online if it was a particularly active group. > There is a huge amount of data on Lafayette's return to Chester, in THE >HISTORY OF CHESTER COUNTY, by Futhey and Cope....many, many pages worth. If >there is anything or anyone specific you'd like me to look for, just let me >know. I think most of my ancestors were gone from Chester County by then. I am specifically interested in activities such as dinners with Masons, notable public figures he was associated with and where he stayed, and when. The Lancaster and Harrisburg visits seem to have been close to each other but I gather that Lafayette spent a lengthy visit in the US circa 1825.

    07/06/2006 04:35:47
    1. Re: [PaOldC] Rangers + Lafatette's return
    2. Sandra Ferguson
    3. The certificate was for 10 + years after Lafayette's return to Chester, so I wonder if it had anything to do with the festivities, 10 years after the fact....the wording is....."I do hereby certify that Isaac King has served seven years properly equiped as a volunteer under my command in the "Lafayette Rangers" a volunteer corps attached to the Independent Volunteer Battalion of Chester County Sept. 29, 1836...signed- Alexander Marshall, Capt." It just seem more military than celebratory. There is a huge amount of data on Lafayette's return to Chester, in THE HISTORY OF CHESTER COUNTY, by Futhey and Cope....many, many pages worth. If there is anything or anyone specific you'd like me to look for, just let me know. Sandra -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006

    07/06/2006 03:41:55
    1. David ap Thomas
    2. Laura Anderson
    3. Hello, As I am learning more about Old Chester, its times and its people, I wonder if someone would explain on the list the "ap" included in some of the old Welsh names, i.e., David ap Thomas. I have seen it in more than one case and I haven't understood its meaning. Thank you, Laura

    07/06/2006 03:31:10
    1. Re: [PaOldC] LOC (maps and Lafayette in Chester)
    2. Mal Humes
    3. (I slept on this and lost it in drafts after the LOC was discussed by a few, and because the link I copied didn't seem to work when I checked one of them. I suspect searching LOC.gov for the titles will find the things I cited.) Someone else already sent the link, but I wanted to add some comments and additional links. You can enjoy quite a lot at the Library of Congress via their web site without going to Washington. See www.LOC.gov I especailly recommend the maps. The Bird's Eye panaromic maps from 1850's to 1920's have wonderful perspectives of small towns and valleys in much detail and in formats suitable for printing frameable poster sized versions if you're willing to put a little effort into it figuring out hoiw to get them printed. I think one option is to use Kinko's remote printing service or to save a file and take it in there. In many cases these maps include businesses and famous buildings. Since many businesses were named after local residents it can become a useful research tool to find what families were promninent in business in that era and what they did. Some are more subtle versions of the kind of advertising maps of local tourist areas we see nowadays and function as business directories also. At another site I ounce found an early town map that had a business directory with ads that led to to discover that my ancestor there had run a casket making company in Indiana, and that the family he married into also was in the same line of business. Then there are the great collections of broadsides and printed materials. Here's one printed by Francis Bailey of Lancaster on July 5, 1776, to muster troops: An American Time Capsule: Three Centuries of Broadsides and Other Printed Ephemera At a meeting of the Committee of the County of Lancaster, 5th July, 1776. The Committee taking into their consideration the important business of raising the quota of troops in this county. [Signed] Geo. Ross, Chairman. Lancaster. Printed by Francis Bailey, in King-Street [1776]. <http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=rbpe&fileName=rbpe14/rbpe144/14 402000/rbpe14402000.db&recNum=0&itemLink=D?rbpebib:14:./temp/~ammem_bPz0::&l inkText=0> Here's a broadside printed during Lafayette's visit to Chester County in July, 1825: "General La Fayette. To have been a partaker with Washington, in the perils and glory of our great conflict for freedom, is a passport to our hearts. In meeting you, his loved form seems to approach us ... Chester County, July 26, 1825." <http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/rbpe:@field(DOCID+@lit(rbpe1520 3200))> I've been looking at his visits to Lancaster and Paxtang from his visits in 1825 and found that he met with local freemasons (Lafayette was a Grand Master Mason) and old vets in my family in both cities. I'm interested in knowing more about Lafayette's visit to Chester County. He appears to have taken a lengthy visit to the states that year, soaking in love from those who admired him for his help in the Revoultion.

    07/06/2006 03:24:23
    1. RE: [PaOldC] Rangers
    2. Mal Humes
    3. "As an aside to this, I'm curious as to what these Rangers were doing?..." I suspect the Rangers were in part a Revolutionary War Veterans celebration group of sorts, probably formed around the time of Lafayette's death in 1834. The first reference I find in Google is to a celebration march in honor of the Revolution the year Lafayette died. Marie-Joseph-Paul-Yves-Roch-Gilbert Du Motier, marquis de La Fayette (or Lafayette) (September 6, 1757 - May 20, 1834) <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_du_Motier%2C_marquis_de_La_Fayette> Based on what I've read Lafayette was much loved and respected for his role in the Revolution and he had returned to the America from July 1824-September 1825 for a tour that included stops in Chester County and Lancaster County where he met with local veterans and Free Masons (he was a Grand Master). I was going to post something about this in reply to the LOC posts that includes a Chester County address in 1825 during his visit. I'll send that in a minute. His meetings with ancestors of mine in Lancaster and Paxton are part of why I suspect there are a at least a few Masons in my tree. Lafayette supposedly stayed at Edward Crouch's (and son in law Benjamin Jordan's) farm Walnut Hill in Highspire near Paxton (Harrisburg) and at the Slaymaker's White Chimneys tavern in Lancaster when visiting. Jordan had employed Simon Cameron and supposedly had more or less adopted him, and named a son, Simon Cameron Jordan, after him. Cameron later became Lincoln's Secretary of War. He's listed in the list below, as is a Cowden who is likely related to Jordan and Crouch. Per one book in Penn State's Digital library there was a huge celebration in Lancaster in Layfayette's honor at the time of his death in 1834. My ancestor Benjamin Jordan named a son after him that year, Benjamin Lafayette Jordan. Here's a Ranger reference that cites the founding of the Rangers in 1834: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pasulliv/reviews/lycomingchronicle.html 9 July 1834 Cavalry Celebration - The 58th Anniversary of our National Independence was celebrated in this Borough by the troops of "Lycoming Cavalry" under Capt. COWDEN. They met in the morning, and after performing various evolutions, were joined on the banks of the river by the new rifle corps of "Lafayette Rangers," under Capt. ALDEN, and by them accompanied thro' the principal streets of the town, forming a handsome military display. The Cavalry then adjourned to the hotel of Mr. Thos. HAYS, where a bountiful repast was prepared. After the cloth was removed, Capt. J. H. COWDEN, was called to the chair, Geo. ARMSTRONG and E. G. HEYLMUN appointed Vice Presidents and Abraham GRAFIUS and A. B. CUMMINGS, Secretaries. The Declaration of Independence having been read by Secretary GRAFIUS, the following regular toasts were drank, accompanied by repeated and hearty cheers; after which the Troop were again mounted to unite with the procession for receiving the Packet-boat to Loyalsock. Volunteer Toasts by: Gen. Simon CAMERON, Vice president HEYLMUN, A. B. CUMMINGS, Robert B. TANEY, Ab'm GRAFIUS, B. LEONARD, Henry BASTIAN and others. Young Men's Celebration - The Lafayette Rangers, under command of Capt. M. ALDEN, assembled in market square, in Williamsport, to celebrate the Birth-day of Freedom, in a manner suited to the occasion. After a thorough drill, the company was marched to the courthouse, at which place the Declaration of Independence was read by George ROBINSON and immediately after an oration delivered by Dr. B. F. SHELDON, followed by music. The company then, together with a large number of young men, marched to the public house of Jacob HEIVLEY, where they partook of a sumptuous repast. The cloth being removed, W. G. CARPENTER was called to the chair and E. H. DONNEL, G. ROBINSON, B. STRAWBRIDGE and J. C. HEYLMUN, Vice Presidents and James D. BROWN, Secretary. After the following toasts were drunk amid the deafening cheers of the numerous assemblages. Volunteer Toasts by: W. G. CARPENTER, G. ROBINSON, E. H. DONNEL, J. C. HEYLMUN, J. D. BROWN, B. F. SHELDON, W. MOORE, H. D. HEYLMUN, L. ULMER, Capt. J. H. MATCHIN, Thomas UPDEGRAFF, Robert HULING, J. S. MAUS, Thomas HARKINS, George TAYLOR, J. S. HYMAN, B. F. SHELDON, Peter HOUGHSOUT and Jacob HYMAN.

    07/06/2006 03:24:23
    1. Rangers
    2. Sandra Ferguson
    3. A list member wanted me to tell you that the following is available on ebay, if there are any descendents of Isaac King 'out there"........ .the military service certificate (local militia) receipt for an Isaac King, a member of the "Lafayette Rangers" Sept. 29, 1836. Sandra "As an aside to this, I'm curious as to what these Rangers were doing? In 1836, the need for protection from local Indians was non-existent...the Rev war and the War of 1812 were long over, the War between the States wasn't around yet, so what were these Rangers up to? Rangers, by definition, were sort of a commando type unit, trained for reconnaissance and special combat missions. " -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006

    07/06/2006 02:04:53
    1. Re: [PaOldC] David ap Thomas, died 1718 in Philadelphia County
    2. Violet Guy
    3. Natalie Burrows: I know nothing about the geography of Wales, but my DATES could possibly fit, as well in the Welch Naming System. Do you know the father of your David ap Thomas??? My Richard ap Thomas is the son of: Thomas ap Evan Piers. (Welch way of designating a son; and it is my understanding that their is also a different, yet similiar term for a daughter naming system.). *************** Compare this to all of the material, that I mailed out today, 07/05/2006; but especially the last paragraph about "ap Thomas"name -- this from "History of Chester County, PA" (probably by Futhey & Cope), which I sent to you -- was sent to me by a distant cousin, who also descended from Hannah THOMAS md as 2nd wife, James Joseph MENDENHALL of East Caln, Chester Co., PA>North Carolina>Wrightsborough, GA.) I have also sent some information from a book about Jamestown, NC, which was named for my 5G-Gradnfather James Mendenhall --"The HOWELLS and IDDINGS are related to Mendenhalls. Jonathan Howell married Elizcabeth Thomas, sister of Hannah Ap Thomas, who married James Mendenhall. Howell's daughter Alice married Joseph Iddings, and their son Mark built his house in 1826...........") ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Thomas ap Evan Piers This material (below) that is in my chart was sent to me by a living THOMAS descendent, who resided in Virginia, probably about 1999 +/- as I started genealogy in May 1998. Up until December 2004, when computer crashed with a virus, I had this website: "BLUE HOLE" (Coal Mines in Wales.). The geneaology was a part of the early website, as I recall. See BELOW: ^^^^^^^ Descendants of Thomas ap Evan Piers Generation No. 1 1. THOMAS AP EVAN1 PIERS was born in Whitford Garne, Flint, Wales. Child of THOMAS AP EVAN PIERS is: 2. i. RICHARD AP2 THOMAS, b. Whitford Garne, Flint, Wales; d. 1684, Whitford, Chester County, PA. Generation No. 2 2. RICHARD AP2 THOMAS (THOMAS AP EVAN1 PIERS) was born in Whitford Garne, Flint, Wales, and died 1684 in Whitford, Chester County, PA. Children of RICHARD AP THOMAS are: 3. i. RICHARD23 THOMAS, b. 1672; d. 1744, Whiteland Twp, Chester PA. ii. MARY THOMAS1, b. Wales. More About MARY THOMAS: Inheritance: if she comes to this country (America) and demands it. Generation No. 3 3. RICHARD23 THOMAS (RICHARD AP2, THOMAS AP EVAN1 PIERS) was born 1672, and died 1744 in Whiteland Twp, Chester PA. He married GRACE ATHERTON January 15, 1712/13 in Whiteland Twp, Chester PA, daughter of HENRY ATHERTON and JANNET THELWELL. She was born in Lancashire County, England, and died in Whiteland Twp, Chester PA. Children of RICHARD2 THOMAS and GRACE ATHERTON are: i. ELIZABETH4 THOMAS. 4. ii. RICHARD3 THOMAS, b. February 22, 1712/13, Whiteland Twp, Chester PA; d. September 22, 1754, Whiteland Twp, Chester PA. 5. iii. HANNAH THOMAS, b. November 14, 1716; d. 1792, Guilford County, NC. iv. MARY THOMAS, b. March 14, 1718/19; m. JOHN HARRISON, September 14, 1745, Uwchlan, Chester Co. PA. v. GRACE THOMAS, b. April 09, 1722. Generation No. 4 4. RICHARD34 THOMAS (RICHARD23, RICHARD AP2, THOMAS AP EVAN1 PIERS) was born February 22, 1712/13 in Whiteland Twp, Chester PA, and died September 22, 1754 in Whiteland Twp, Chester PA. He married PHEBE ASHBRIDGE February 10, 1738/39 in Goshen, ChesterCo., PA, daughter of GEORGE ASHBRIDGE. Children of RICHARD3 THOMAS and PHEBE ASHBRIDGE are: i. HANNAH5 THOMAS, m. WILLIAM TRIMBLE, September 15, 1757, Uwchlan, Chester County, PA. ii. LYDIA THOMAS, b. December 04, 1740. iii. GRACE THOMAS, b. November 03, 1742. iv. RICHARD4 THOMAS, b. October 30, 1744; m. THOMAZINE DOWNING; b. August 25, 1754; d. May 04, 1817, Uwchlan, PA. v. GEORGE1 THOMAS, b. December 21, 1746; d. August 07, 1793; m. SARAH ROBERTS. 5. HANNAH4 THOMAS (RICHARD23, RICHARD AP2, THOMAS AP EVAN1 PIERS) was born November 14, 1716, and died 1792 in Guilford County, NC. She married JAMES MENDENHALL 1743 in Goshen, Chester PA. He was born 1718 in Chester, PA. Children of HANNAH THOMAS and JAMES MENDENHALL are: i. RICHARD5 MENDENHALL. ii. GRACE MENDENHALL. iii. ELIJAH MENDENHALL. iv. GEORGE MENDENHALL. v. MARMADUKE MENDENHALL. vi. HANNAH MENDENHALL. Endnotes 1. In Richard Thomas II WILL, 1773/74, Chester Co., PA. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is enough new material!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Richard Thomas, the father, left wife and daughter, Mary, behind in WALES! Mary Thomas later came to America, and husband name was Llywelyn Parry! (LISTERS: Remember, a month or two ago, we were discussing the LLYWELYN Family of PA? Are they related!) As I recall, Eleanor Helper had a Morris Llywelyn of theWelsch Tract.) Violet Moore Guy <guyj@starpower.net> 07/06/2006 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Natalie Burrows" <ndburrows@verizon.net> To: "Violet Guy" <guyj@starpower.net> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [PaOldC] David ap Thomas, died 1718 in Philadelphia County > Do you know the dates for this family? My best guess is that the David ap > Thomas family came from North Wales (Merionethshire) around 1700 or even > earlier. Does this mesh in any way with your family? > Natalie > ndburrows@verizon.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Violet Guy" <guyj@starpower.net> > To: "Natalie Burrows" <ndburrows@verizon.net> > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 5:34 PM > Subject: Re: [PaOldC] David ap Thomas, died 1718 in Philadelphia County > > > >I descend from a Richard ap Thomas, who left a wife & daughter behind in > > Wales. This Richard ap Thomas came with his son, Richard, Jr on the > > Morning > > Star; and Richard Thomas, Jr became a medical doctor and married Grace > > Atherton.. The had a large family, including Hannah Thomas, who married > > James J. Mendenhall, as 2nd wife and family migrated to North Carolina and > > ssome then to Wrightsborough, GA, where James died and was burried. > > Hannah > > returned to Guilford County, NC. James J. & Hannah (Thomas) Mendenhall are > > my 5G-Grandparents. > > > > At one time, I had a Website, "Blue Hole", for evidently this Thomas > > family > > was from the coal region of Wales. > > > > Violet Moore Guy > > 07/04/2006. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Natalie Burrows" <ndburrows@verizon.net> > > To: <PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 11:19 AM > > Subject: [PaOldC] David ap Thomas, died 1718 in Philadelphia County > > > > > >> Does anyone have information about the ancestry of David ap Thomas whose > > will appears below? Could he be connected to the John ap Thomas who died > > in > > London before he could come to PA (circa 1682)? His wife and children did > > come to the new colony, however. > >> > >> David (ap) Thomas, Philadelphia County, yeoman; wife Mary; children > > Thomas, Richard David, Samson David, John David, Catherine, Anne (Evans), > > Gwen and Mary. Will signed June 29, 1717, proved Aughust 6, 1718. > >> > >> Could there be a connection to the Hugh John Thomas listed in the Merion > > Meeting Minutes in 1686? > >> > >> Thanks for any help! > >> Best wishes for a Happy Fourth of July, > >> Natalie > >> ndburrows@verizon.net > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== PA-OLD-CHESTER Mailing List ==== > >> Unsubscribing.... To leave PA-old-chester-l, send mail to > >> PA-old-chester-l-request@rootsweb.com > >> with the single word unsubscribe in the message or subject slot. > >> > >> NO VIRUS WARNINGS - if you are concerned contact me PERSONALLY > > ferg@ntelos.net > >> > >> If you have ANY problems, do not send them to the list > >> contact me personally....list manager ferg@ntelos.net > >> > >> ============================== > >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >> > > > > > >

    07/05/2006 04:49:06
    1. Joseph Townsend Family in Chester
    2. Kim Spangrude
    3. Hi, everyone. The Townsend Society of America is looking for a copy of the publication, "Ancestry and descendants of Joseph Townsend and Martha Wooderson of Chester County, PA", 1958, by Ida C. Townsend. This Joseph Townsend was the nephew of my ancestor John Townsend who came from England to Pennsylvania around 1712. Please contact me if anyone knows where a copy of this publication can be found. Thanks, Kim Townsend Spangrude

    07/05/2006 04:04:25