Just some tidbits from "History of Cecil County, Maryland" by George Johnston, 1881, reprint 1998, Heritage Books, Bowie, MD. The Henry HOLLINGSWORTH who bought the land from John SMITH came to PA, as did also his brothers, Valentine and Thomas, in the ship Welcome, with William PENN, in 1682. Their father, Valentine HOLLINGSWORTH, md: the daughter of Henry CORNISH, who was one of the sheriffs of London (London then had two sheriffs with co-equal power) in the troublesome times of James II.... Henry, who was named after his maternal grandfather, was a man of much distinction and assisted Thomas HOLMES in laying out the city of Philadelphia, being at that time about 18 years of age. After the death of CORNISH his son-in-law, Valentine HOLLINGSWORTH, removed to Ireland where his son, Henry, made the acquaintance of Lydia ATKINSON whom he md: in 1688 having in that year returned to Ireland for that purpose. He represented New Castle Cnty in the Assembly in 1695, and was also sheriff of Chester cnty the same year; was deputy master of the rolls in 1700, and coroner of the last-named cnty in 1706. He removed to Elkton about 1712 in which year he was founder of the HOLLINGSWORTH family in this county and the grandfather of Colonel Henry Hollingsworth who was so intimately identified with the cause of the colonies during their struggle for independence. He died in Elkton in 1721. Some HOLLINGSWORTHs found in Cecil Cnty Land Abstracts 1673-1753: Abraham, Abram, Ann, Catherine, D.B., Grace, Henry, Jacob, Jesse, John, Joseph, Lidia, Mary, Stephen, Thomas, Zebulon

I don't understand the problem......the following is what I posted, on the Levee passengers......the only difference I see is that I inadvertently forgot poor old Rachel Newlin when I copied and pasted.... The Levee (Liver) of Liverpool July 1683, James Kilner, master, Thomas Brinket Philip England George Green Edward Jones Nicholas Newlin and sons John and Nathaniel ...wife Mary Here is what YOU have for the Levee... The LIVER (or Levee) - 1683 >> >> James Kilner, Master >> Departed Liverpool >> Arrived in the Delaware July 1683 >> >> Thomas Brinket >> Philip England >> George Green >> Edward Jones >> Nicholas Newlin >> Mary Newlin (wife of Nicholas Newlin) >> Their children: John Newlin >> Nathaniel Newlin >> Rachel Newlin What is the difference? What 2 lists have I combined? S. >> I'm a bit confused and might need some help with the passenger lists of >> the 1683 voyages of the Liver/Levee and the Lyon. Sandra's list for the >> Levee/Liver showed a combination of what I have as two separate voyages. I'd appreciate any help with changes -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/394 - Release Date: 7/20/2006

Speaking of Scottish and Irish immigrations, I was surprised last week to discover that there was a huge Scottish settlement near Panama in the late 1600s. Darien, aka Caledonia, was an attempt by the Scots to launch their own colony. The colony failed by early 1700's and the failure is said to have resulted in Scotland and England merging in 1707 to become Britain. See: <http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/Scotland-History/DarienScheme.htm> and <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dari%C3%A9n_scheme> What led me to all this was further research on the James Graham that witnessed Penn's arrival and the hand-over of New Castle to William Penn in 1682. It turns out this Graham was a clerk of New Netherlands and New Amsterdam courts who had arrived in 1670's. He became Attorney General of New York circa 1684 and was notable in his work on the charter of New York in 1690 where legal precedents he put into place with that lasted for over 100 years. He may have been related to the John Graham who served in Holland as a protector of William and Mary (son in law and daughter of James, Duke of York, who replaced James in 1688) and who was made a Viscount for his role in saving William's life. I still barely have a grasp on the Covenanters, the Jacobites and the confusing politics with Holland, England and the affect on the colonies such as New Amsterdam, PA, NJ and NY, but it's clear that the Hume and Graham families played prominent roles in that era. James Graham is also presumed to have been the agent who worked with the Indians on behalf of Penn's request to NY's Gov. Dongan to get a treaty for lands extending to the Susquehanna. He was also involved in an attempt to roll New Jersey, Pennsylvania, New York and New England into one colony at the time that the Duke of York, King James II, lost power around 1688. The Duke's loss of power in England led to some turmoil and riots in the colonies. Graham's daughter married Lewis Morris who later became governor of New Jersey. One son ended up in West Chester NY and I can't place a direct connection to my Paxtang area Grahams some years later but find it curious that the land they settled on apparently came into Pennsylvania's hands via James Graham's involvement in an Indian land deal. Graham also appears to have had a hand in the Darien settlement. A wonderful history of the NY to PA colonies leading up to Penn's arrival is offered here: http://san.beck.org/11-8-NYtoPenn1664-1744.html Also an extensive article on MD, VA, GA and the Carolinas is found here: http://san.beck.org/ - along with some other interesting info on early colonies. The New Jersey link posted last week was quite interesting and led me to some early Hume immigrants who came as indentured servants to Capt. Andrew Hamilton in 1684. Hamilton later became acting governor of New Jersey. John Hume ended up with property next to Lewis Morris who married Isabella Graham. This James Hamilton who was acting governor of New Jersey became an acting governor for Penn shortly before his death in early 1700s. I can't clearly connect him with another Andrew Hamilton who also was an early acting governor for Penn, whose son James later became an acting governor of PA and who founded Lancaster and built Independence Hall in Philadelphia. They don't appear related to my Hamiltons of Leacock. One curious thing I noted in the files at Lancaster was that the Andrew/James Hamilton estate was still being aid rent to lawyers in England as of the 1950s. In the Lancaster and Bucks County property CD I have James Hamilton is documented as having purchased 210 properties. He founded Lancaster and apparently originally owned the whole town, and I think he also was the Hamilton involved with the founding of Carlisle. It makes it near impossible to search for properties purchased by my James Hamilton of Leacock because the Gov. Hamilton bought so much property. I do find it interesting that there seems to be a lot of Hamiltons in early colonial governor roles. - Sir Charles Hamilton (May 25, 1767 - September 14, 1849) was a British naval officer and governor of Newfoundland. - Lord Archibald Hamilton (b. 1673 - d. 1754) , governor of Jamaica 1711 - 1716. - Hamilton, Andrew, d. 1703, colonial governor of New Jersey, b. Scotland. Becoming deputy governor of East Jersey in 1687, Hamilton defended the proprietors against popular opposition and shortly had to leave the colony. In 1692 he was commissioned governor of East and West Jersey, but after five years of effective administration he was removed by the proprietors to please the crown. When he was recalled he could not restore authority. Appointed deputy postmaster general for the colonies in 1692, Hamilton induced several colonies to set up uniform postal rates. In 1701, William Penn appointed him deputy governor of Pennsylvania, a post he held until his death. A more detailed bio includes some of the story of how PA almost became part of New York, which was news to me. HAMILTON, Andrew, governor of New Jersey. Born in 1627 in Edinburgh and a merchant there, came to NJ as an agent for Lord Neill Campbell; died probably in Burlington, New Jersey, 20 April, 1703. He was engaged in business as a merchant in Edinburgh, and was sent to East Jersey as a special agent for the proprietaries. Having discharged that mission satisfactorily, he was recommended as a man of intelligence and judgment to Lord Nell Campbell, who was sent to that province in 1686 as deputy-governor for two years. He was made a member of the council in consequence, and in March, 1687, became acting governor on the departure of Lord Nell for England, who was called there on business and did not return. In 1688, East and West Jersey having surrendered their patents, those provinces came under the control of Governor Edmund Andros, and were annexed to New York and New England. Andros, then residing in Boston, visited New York and the Jerseys, continuing all officers in their places, and making but slight changes in the government. In consequence of the revolution of 1688 in England, Governor Hamilton visited the mayor of New York as the representative of Andros, that official having been seized by the New-Englanders in April, 1689. He finally sailed for England, in order to consult with the proprietaries, but was captured by the French, and did not reach London until May, 1690. He was still residing there in March, 1692, when he was appointed governor of East Jersey, and also given charge of West Jersey. Although he administered the affairs of the province to the satisfaction of both the colonists and the proprietaries, he was deposed in 1697, "much against the inclination" of the latter, in obedience to an act of parliament which provided that "no other than a natural-born subject of England could serve in any public post of trust or profit." Hamilton returned to England in 1698, but so great was the disorder and maladministration under his successor, Jeremiah Basse, that he was reappointed, 19 August, 1699. He could not, however, right the wrong that had been already done, or repair the abuses that had crept in. Officers were insulted in the discharge of their duties, and the growth of the province was seriously interfered with. In 1701 he was appointed by William Penn deputy-governor of Pennsylvania, the latter having been called to England to oppose the machinations of those who were plotting to deprive him of his American possessions. On Penn's arrival in London everything was done to harass him, factious opposition being made to the confirmation of Governor Hamilton, who was wrongfully charged with having been engaged in illicit trade. The appointment finally received the royal sanction, in the session of the provincial assembly in October, 1702, the representatives of the territories refused to meet those of the province, claiming the privilege of separation under a new charter, and expressing their firm determination to remain apart. Hamilton strongly urged the advantages of union, and used all his influence to secure this result, but without effect. He also made preparations for the defence of the colony by organizing a military force. He died while on a visit to his family in New Jersey the year following. It was to Andrew Hamilton that the colonies were indebted for the first organization of a postal service, he having obtained a patent from the crown for the purpose in 1694. His son John, detailed below, also became a governor of New Jersey twice. One website claims this Andrew's grandson James Hamilton became first native born Gov of PA. If so then he was father of the Andrew Hamilton who also was an early PA governor, though there is some debate over the parentage of that Andrew. Given the prominent role of Hamiltons in early colonies it seems plausible there is a connection. - John Hamilton, acting governor of New Jersey, died in Perth Amboy, New Jersey in 1746. He became acting governor on the death of Governor Cosby, only three weeks after the latter's accession to office, 31 March, 1736. Hamilton again became acting governor on the death of the Lewis Morris in 1746, but died a few months afterward. - James Hamilton, Jr, Governor of South Carolina 1830-1832 was descendant from William Hamilton of Leacock, PA.

I realize this Boyd info Sandra posted recently was a lookup, but there are what look like a few Boyd clans in the area that was referenced around Leacock. One is found in the file on Middle Octorora's hearings in 1734 that was submitted to USGENWEB and that could also be of interest to the people who posted the query. The other involves an estate dispute that is amazing to try to follow even if the Boyds aren't of interest to your own research. It dragged on into over 100 years of fighting over claims to an estate and documents claimed connections to Boyds in VA, NC, KY in addition to PA. This USGENWEB link below details attempts to oust John Carnachan from the church and the Boyds and a John Potter are central to the claims against Carnachan. It references a Robert Boyd Senior and a James Boyd. See http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/chester/church/carnahan-j.txt There was also a Rev. Boyd associated with the church and referenced in that document but unrelated to the Boyds involved in the dispute. Those Boyds were Presbyterian and in the area around Middle Octorara by 1734. Based on the dates of the meeting transfers in your lookup those Boyds apparently predate the Quaker immigrants from the 1740s. But your reference to Boyds in Leacock is interesting as the Hamilton/Boyd family mentioned below was associated with Leacock Presbyterian Church in the late 1700's. Also there is a very interesting Boyd family and estate in Lancaster County that I've been looking at recently that dragged on from around 1817-1855 over disputes and wills dating back to at least 1748. This Boyd family was in the Leacock and Salisbury area and is detailed extensively in the Slaymaker White Chimneys file manuscript archives at the Lancaster Historical Society. The case involving the Boyd estates seems quite complicated and covering many generations. It appears to have taken multiple generations of Slaymaker lawyers to handle the case and may have bankrupted the Slaymakers in the process. There are some 20+ lawsuits against the Boyds and many generations kept coming out of the woodwork to file claims on the estate for decades. Consequently there is a lot of genealogy detail, though some of this may be gold diggers that were not really related. This Boyd line married into a James Hamilton line of interest to me and he and his wife Margaret Boyd got the Slaymakers involved in an estate settlement with her brother involving their parents estate which was not probated until some 20 years or more after their deaths. The Boyd sibling apparently managed the estate for his sisters until Margaret Boyd and James Hamilton asked for their share. The Hamiltons were also cousins of some the Slaymakers but end up suing the Slaymakers. That property settlement turned into a fiasco for the Slaymakers and there is very extensive documentation at the Lancaster County Historical Society with some of this available there on microfilm and some yet to be processed and boxed in the manuscripts collection. One description of the LCHS papers covers "George Boyd (ca. 1763) and some of his descendants." But it's an odd case where it also appears that a will from John Boyd from 1748 in VA is the subject of much dispute in the 1820's and that Slaymaker worked on trying to resolve the Boyd estate from at least 1817-1855. I'd love to hear from anyone familiar with this case or to find any other explanations of what happened. What I gather is that there were a string of property transfers later disputed as property transferred multiple times after multiple generations of Boyd deaths. S. R. Slaymaker's book, Captives Mansion (White Chimneys), suggested that there was about 20 years or more after the death of the mother and father of Margaret Boyd until the estate was probated but it seems that the case goes back further than that based on some assumptions based on John Boyd's will in 1748. I recently culled a bunch of info on this Boyd estate dispute from the Manuscript finding aids so I could get a better understanding of it all and better identify the Hamiltons involved. When I skimmed the Slaymaker papers finding aids for Boyd references I also found some other references there to some other Chester County and Caln references I thought might be of interest to folks on the list so I left some of that in the material I had set aside from the LCHS site to explore further. There were some Anderson references of possible interest to Laura Anderson's research on James Anderson: See: http://www.lancasterhistory.org/collections/archives/manuscrp/mg-0268.htm And http://www.lancasterhistory.org/collections/archives/manuscrp/mg-0268_Series 2_Box1.htm And related pages. Some excepts that summarize some of the Chester County info and some of the Boyd estate info are attached below. Folder 15 Business Papers, 1760-1802 Agreement of sale by Andrew McClory, Sadsbury Twp., Chester County, to John Maxwell, Salisbury Twp., Lancaster County, for warrant rights for his land with improvements. 14 April 1760. Agreement of sale by James Douglas and Hugh Maguire, Lancaster County, to James Geaby, Caln Twp., Chester County, and Thomas Clemson, Salisbury Twp., Lancaster County, for 30 acres of land in Caln Twp. 26 May 1768. Bond given to Martin Baer, Earl Twp., by James Fleming, Salisbury Twp., Lancaster County, and John Fleming, Caln Twp., Chester County, for 68 pounds. 23 October 1772. Payments receipted by Martin Baer until 20 February 1783. In German. Bond given to George Richmond, Sadsbury Twp., Chester County, by James Fleming, Salisbury Twp., Lancaster County, and John Fleming, West Caln Twp., Chester County. 6 December 1774. Reverse has payment receipts. Bond given to George Richmond, Sadsbury Twp., Chester County, by James Fleming, Salisbury Twp., Lancaster County, and John Fleming, West Caln Twp., Chester County. 6 March 1776. Reverse has payment receipt. Indenture whereby Jean Sterret, with her mother’s consent, became apprenticed to John Anderson of Salisbury Twp. for 10 years. 14 May 1792. Indenture of Widow Anderson placing her 6 year old son, John, in servitude to John [ ___ ] and James [ ___ ], papermakers of Lancaster County and Chester County, for 13 years, 5 months, and 14 days. 2 December 1798. Indenture of Rebekah Anderson placing her 12 year old daughter, Rebekah, in servitude to James Steile, West Fallowfield Twp., Chester County, for 7 years and 6 months. 2 December 1798. Agreement negotiated by Adam Fogle for a road leading from West Chester to Strasburg, signed by Maxwell Kennedy, William Kennedy, John Yeates, Henry F. Slaymaker, and Samuel Duffield. 28 January 1835. The Boyd estate settlement seems to have started in relationship Geroge Boyd's estate in 1763 then continued on through 1855, with some highlights of the papers on file at the Lancaster Historical Society below: Account of widow Mary Boyd and son John Boyd, administrators for the George Boyd estate. 22 December 1763. Lancaster County Orphans’ Court approval to distribute the estate of George Boyd and appoint guardians for 5 minor children. 22 December 1763. Lancaster County Orphans’ Court record awarding 184 acres of land to John Boyd, eldest son of George Boyd. 1 September 1764. Annotations acknowledge payments by John Boyd to other heirs. 1765, 1772. Two-year lease agreement between John Boyd and James Boyd for the latter to occupy and use the plantation where David Miller now lives. (location unknown) 10 April 1771. Partial document with Boyd and Maxwell names. 1779. Articles of agreement between Widow Maxwell and Thomas Maxwell, Chester County and Sadsbury Twp., with John Boyd of Salisbury Twp., Lancaster County. Almost illegible. 1 March 1779. Receipt to John Boyd for last payment on tract of land bought from heirs of John Maxwell, [regarding the above agreement]. 2 June 1779. Mortgage indenture between James Boyd, Sadsbury Twp., Chester County, and the General Land Office of Pennsylvania for 111½ acres in Sadsbury Twp., Chester County and Lancaster County. 20 October 1787. On reverse: Receipts by trustee for Phillip Reily through 1793. Common Pleas Court order for John Boyd to pay James and Margaret (Boyd) Hamilton with 21 years interest as her share of her father’s estate. 28 October 1790. Listing of 28 court cases against the Boyds (Thomas, James, John) annotated with disposition between May 1788 and November 1790. Partial court document. High Sheriff, Chester County vs. John Boyd. February 1791. Listing of 3 more cases against John and John Boyd and George Boyd. August 1792 to August 1793. Application in Chester County Court of Common Pleas to substitute the brothers and sisters of John Boyd, deceased, as defendants in a suit brought by John Duer Jr. 9 July 1811. Threatening letter from James Hamilton to James Boyd regarding the latter’s alleged duplicity in handling the John Boyd estate. 15 December 1812. Notice from Jasper Slaymaker to Amos Slaymaker regarding a meeting of the arbitrators in Hamilton vs. Boyd Administrators. 21 October 1817. Letter from George Boyer , Chalkwell, Pittsylvania County, Virginia, soliciting help from Henry F. Slaymaker to delay the hearing of the upcoming James Boyd estate controversy. 10 August 1820. Insert 1 Four working papers, in pencil. Apparently calculations and research for settling the James Boyd estate and a dated list of releases by assumed heirs. 1820-1828. Copy of will of Thomas Boyd, deceased, Salisbury Twp., giving lands and monies to brothers John, James, and George, and sisters Margret Hambleton, Isbell, and Mary. 13 May 1789. Copied 29 October 1800. Affidavit of John Boyd, Lawrence District, South Carolina, and Edward Boyd and Elizabeth (Boyd) Dameron, Lincoln County, North Carolina, appointing Andrew Hoyl their attorney for anything due them in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. 27 December 1821. Court certification, Williamson County, Tennessee, to statement of John Atkinson that he knew William Boyd, son of John, of Cozwell County, North Carolina, died leaving sons Armstead and William. Armstead died leaving a daughter, America. She and William both lived in Williamson County, Tennessee. 2 January 1822. Affidavit of Sarah Dameron, Lincoln County, North Carolina, attesting she was the wife of Andrew Boyd and the mother of his 3 children, and that Andrew was the son of John Boyd of Pennsylvania. 10 October 1821. Recorded 9 February 1822. Copy of John Boyd’s will, written in Sunenburg County, Virginia. 2 July 1748. Certified as true by clerk in Halifax County, Virginia Court. 4 July 1822. Copy of Patrick Boyer’s will, sworn by third person 26 January 1762 in Halifax County, Virginia. Certified by Halifax County Court Clerk as true on 4 July 1822. Affidavits of Samual Weabley, Davidson County, Tennessee, 15 March 1823, and William Boyd 29 October 1823, attesting to the heirs of John Boyd. Deposition of John Logan, Rutherford County, North Carolina, reciting his knowledge of four Boyds (John, Patrick, Robert, and James) who migrated from Lancaster, Pennsylvania to Halifax County, Virginia and their progeny. 18 August 1823. Letter of attorney by Mary Boyd, Williamson County, Tennessee, designating William Irby Boyd to act on her behalf as guardian for her daughter, America Boyd, for an inheritance due from the estate of James Boyd, Salisbury Twp. 23 August 1823. Letter of attorney by Isabella Boyd, Salisbury Twp., appointing cousin Alston Boyd, Greenville District, South Carolina, and Thomas Boyd, Halifax County, Tennessee, to recover 500 pounds with interest for the James Boyd estate, from Amos Slaymaker and Henry F. Slaymaker. 30 December 1823. Settled 16 April 1824 for $1,353. Release of brother James Boyd’s estate. Isabella Boyd, Salisbury Twp., Lancaster County to executors Amos Slaymaker and Henry F. Slaymaker. April 1824. Letter from Jasper to Henry F. Slaymaker recommending extreme caution in executing the Boyd estate. 7 April 1824. Letter from Joshua Boyd, Halifax County, Virginia, to Amos Slaymaker asking what his share of the James Boyd estate will be and when it will arrive. 3 July 1825. Release of John Boyd, Lawrence District, North Carolina, and Edward Boyd and Elizabeth (Boyd) Dameron, Lincoln County, North Carolina, all children of Andrew Boyd of Halifax County, Virginia, by their attorney Andrew Hoyl to Amos Slaymaker and Henry F. Slaymaker for their share of the James Boyd estate. 27 August 1825. Recorded in Lancaster County, 27 August 1825. Affidavit of Sarah (Boyd) McLaughlin, Calloway County, Kentucky, delineating in great detail her legitimacy as an heir of James Boyd. 22 May 1824. Recorded in Calloway County, Kentucky, 29 May 1824. Release. Charles Wall, attorney for the widow and children of Richard Boyd, to Amos Slaymaker and Henry F. Slaymaker for their inheritance from the James Boyd estate. 17 August 1826. Recorded in Lancaster County, 17 August 1826. Receipt from Evan Evans to Amos Slaymaker, executor of the James Boyd estate, for the claim of Sarah McLaughlin to be paid to James Buchanan at Washington for payment to her attorney, Chrittenson Lyon. 28 April 1828. Record of Lancaster County Common Pleas Court whereby Jane Boyd appealed the designation of Samuel Boyd as administrator of her mother’s, Abigail Culbertson, estate. 22 January 1830. Copy of Abigail Culbertson’s will. 21 August 1809. Sworn statements verifying the handwriting of the author and her witness. 25 March 1830. Record of Register’s Court, Lancaster County, whereby Samuel Boyd appealed the veracity of the Abigail Culbertson will and the letters issued to James Boyd. 20 May 1830. Subpoena to A. Babbitt, James Boyd, James Irvin, Isaac Hains, and Jacob Rieser as witnesses in the Lancaster County Circuit Court case of James Boyd’s executors vs. William Boyd’s administrators. 27 February 1832. On reverse: Served by James F. Smith. 3 February 1832. Record of Pennsylvania Supreme Court regarding the supplementary account of Amos Slaymaker, surviving administrator of the John Boyd estate, and specifically, the testimony of Elizabeth Boyd regarding Margaret Hamilton’s release, 17 March 1817. May Term 1832. Power of attorney to Andrew Hoyle, Lincoln County, North Carolina, from John Boyd, Dekalb County, Georgia, for recovery of any inheritance due him from the estate of James Boyd. Lancaster County, 4 October 1833. Receipt from Z. McLenegan to Amos Slaymaker for court costs in the case of Slaymaker, et al. vs. Hamilton, et al. 14 September 1836. Affidavits of Francis Boyd, Christian County, Kentucky, and Henry Boyd, Todd County, Kentucky, delineating their lineages and Boyd relationships. 13 February 1835, 14 February 1835. Power of attorney to David H. Boyd, Amherst County, Virginia, from Francis Boyd, Christian County, Kentucky, to recover any inheritance from James Boyd. Lancaster County, 2 February 1835. Copy of letter from Henry F. Slaymaker, executor for James Boyd, to Andrew Hoyle regarding the status of the estate settlement. 9 July 1836. Copy of letter to Andrew Hoyle regarding sales of James Boyd’s property. In pencil, unsigned. 22 June 1837. Six receipts regarding the estates of James Boyd and John Boyd. Full payment receipted to H. F. Slaymaker, executor for Amos Slaymaker. (one document) 9 August 1838. Subpoena for Samuel Houston and John Livingston to appear in Orphans’ Court regarding the administrators account of Amos Slaymaker and Henry F. Slaymaker, executors of the James Boyd estate. 14 January 1839. Release by 16 legatees of the James Boyd estate to Amos Slaymaker and Henry F. Slaymaker, executors. 3 December 1841. A chart of claimants against the estate of James Boyd showing relationships, amount of claims, dates of settlement, and to whom payments were made by December 1841. Letter from Andrew Hoyl to H. F. Slaymaker regarding the James Boyd estate. 27 May 1847. Response to the above letter referring to a very minimal legacy because of a bank failure and Amos Slaymaker estate insolvency. 22 June 1847. Power of Attorney for Sarah Boyd and others to Andrew Hoyl, both of Gaston County, NC for any claim against the estates of Mary Boyd and Isabella Boyd. 17 September 1851. Sworn 30 November 1852. Release by 8 heirs of Isabella Boyd and Mary Boyd to Amos Slaymaker and Henry F. Slaymaker, executors. 2 February 1855.

I'm a bit confused and might need some help with the passenger lists of the 1683 voyages of the Liver/Levee and the Lyon. Sandra's list for the Levee/Liver showed a combination of what I have as two separate voyages. I'd appreciate any help with changes but here's what I show: The LIVER (or Levee) - 1683 James Kilner, Master Departed Liverpool Arrived in the Delaware July 1683 Thomas Brinket Philip England George Green Edward Jones Nicholas Newlin Mary Newlin (wife of Nicholas Newlin) Their children: John Newlin Nathaniel Newlin Rachel Newlin *************************** The LYON (or Lion) - 1683 John Crumpton (or Compton), Master Departed Liverpool Arrived Pennsylvania 14 October (8th month) 1683 Robert Turner, late of Dublin, in Ireland, merchant child: Martha Turner servants (with years of servitude): Robt. Threwecks, 4 yrs. Henry Furnice, 4 Robt. Selford, 4 Benj. Acton, 4 (surveyer, tanner, currier) John Reeves, 4 Robt. Hambidge, 4 Richard Curtis, 4 John Furnace, 4 Dan. Furnace, 9 Robt. Threwecks, 13 Lemuel Bradshaw, 4 Robt. Lloyd, 4 Wm. Long, 4 Hen' Hollingsworth, 2 Ailoice Cales, 4 Kath. Furnace, 6 Jos. Furnace, 4 Joseph Fisher and Elizabeth his wife, late of Stilorgin near Dublin, in Ireland, yeoman, borne in Elton in Cheshire children: Moses, Joseph, Mary and Martha Fisher servants: Edward Lancaster, 4 Wm. Robertson, 4 Ed. Doyle, 4 Ben. Clift, 4 T. Tearewood, 4 Rob. Kilcarth, 8 Petr. Long, 2 Phill. Packer, 4 Wm. Conduit, 4 Mary Toole, 4 Eliz. Johnson, 4 Mary Calvert, late of Dublin FYI Note: Thomas ab Evan and his cousin William ap John bought land from Robert Turner in 1697 for the larger EVANS group which arrived in 1698 on the "Robert and Elizabeth".

I found a site with Scottish will indexes. You have to register to access the indexes, which are free. Copies of wills or access to census and birth records require fees. http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/search/SearchResults.aspx Most of the indexes I found were not very detailed but some did detail people that were involved with trade with colonies. If you know specific origins and dates of Scottish ancestors this could be handy, or could be useful to help narrow down possible connections to old world families. Don't assume it is only relevant to people who died in Scotland. I found some Ulster Scots. I also found a wife of a colonial governor listed in this that may help clarify some relationships in the colonies. I also found at least one will for someone who died in the Americas in late 1700s.

Emigration to the New World was certainly fraught with danger...if not from the actual trip, then with the diseases that frequently seemed to be brought aboard by unsuspecting passengers... measles and small pox being the 2 I've read most about....I always think of the horror one must have felt when those all around you were dying, and you were all trapped on the same ship, with no where to get away from it. (if memory serves, around 1/3 of the passengers on the Welcome died.) Another thing that I have found surprising, in reading contemporary reports of life in the New World.... from runaway descriptions in newspapers, etc, to the physical descriptions of Rev. War soldiers...was the large number of people who HAD small pox and survived. I suppose I thought most of those who had it, died, but I'm not sure this is true - there are tons of folks described as pox marked, who lived to 'tell the tale'! S. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/394 - Release Date: 7/20/2006

IMMIGRATION OF THE IRISH QUAKERS INTO PA, by Myers has a great deal of info on the Hollingsworth family.......this is a quote concerning the Calvert/Hollingsworth relationship; "At Chester MM, 4 mo3 6, 1687, mention is made of a difference between John Calvert and Thomas Hollingsworth (stepson of John Calvert's sister, Ann, who married Valentine Hollingsworth), about dividing their lands in Upper Providence." Valentine Hollingsworth, son of Henry, of Belleniskcrannel, Parish Segoe, Co Armagh, Ireland, and Catharine, his wife, was born at Balleniskcrannel, 'about the 6m of 1632.' married 4 m 7, 1655, Ann Ree, dau of Nicholas Ree of Tanderagee, Co Armagh. She was born around 1628, at Tanderagee, and d 2m 1, 1671. He then married a second time 4m 12, 1572, to Ann Calvert, dau of Thomas Calvert of Dromgora, Parish Segoe, Co Armagh, and Jane his wife. (their marriage certificate is included in the MARRIAGE BOOK OF LURGAN MONTHLY MEETING In 1687, Henry Hollingsworth returned to Ireland and, 8 mo 22, 1688, married Lydia Atkinson, of the Parish of Segoe, County Armagh, who shortly afterward came over to New Castle with her husband. S. (an interesting aside for Valentine - he originally settled on a large plantation of nearly 1000 acres, about 5 miles from the present city of Wilmington....the land was called "New Worke", and held the 'Newark' MM and burying ground, where he was interred....interesting to think "New Worke" morphed into Newark, that we are all familiar with....place names can tell us a lot, if we look hard enough.) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/394 - Release Date: 7/20/2006

Cope mentions Valentine twice William Penn granted,1-13-1683,to Thomas Calvert,300 acres;to John Calvert,300 acres,and to Margaret Calvert,100 acres,all laid out together in Upper Providence 1-25-1683.On 2-11-1691,it was ordered that a patent for the whole should be made to John Calvert,to whom it was made appear to belong.Perhaps the others were his children.At Chester Monthly Meeting 4-6-1687, mention is made of a difference between Thomas Hollingsworth and John Calvert,about dividing their lands in Upper Providence.Valentine Hollingsworth,father of Thomas,had married for 2nd wife,Ann Calvert,and John Calvert was probably a brother.There was a presumption of relationship in that day to Lord Baltimore,the Proprietor of Maryland.The children of John and Judith,born in this country,were Daniel,b.5-6-1685,who m.about 1709,Elizabeth Pritchett;and Mary,b.12-19-1687.Judith,another daughter,m.10-8-1725,Daniel Broom,of Marple.Ruth Calvert,who m.about1697,Edward Paviour,of Upper Providence,was probably an older ! child. At a court held 6-25-1702,the sheriff made return of an execution on the estate of John Calvert, which was sold to Thomas and Joshua Calvert for Lb.243.These were probably sons of John.Joshua was constable of Upper Providence in 1704.Thomas bought a lot in Chester in 1700,and sold it in 1702.After this the land in Upper Providence appears to have been held by Joshua and Daniel Calvert,of whom the first had 370 acres in 1724.It seems,however,to have been patented Feb.6,1739,to John Worrall (608 1/2 acres),who,with Ruth his wife,conveyed a part to Daniel Calvert. Joshua Calvert,m.1709,Deborah Harlan,dau.of George and Elizabeth Harlan,and it is conjectured that they were the parents of Thomas Calvert,the husband of Sarah Williamson. The latter presented an acknowledgment to Goshen Monthly Meeting 6-20-1739,for marriage by a magistrate,and on 8-16-1756,received a certificate from Goshen to Chester Monthly Meeting,with their children,who are not named.They appear to have lived after this in Edgmont and perhaps he is the same Thomas Calvert who was in East Marlborough,1762-3-4,and perhaps later.He does not appear to have been in membership with Friends,and when or where he and his wife died has not been discovered. Randal Malin,of Great Barrow,in the county palatine of Chester,England, was a purchaser of 250 acres of land in Pennsylvania,by deeds of lease and release,dated 6th and 7th of March,1681.He was a grand juror at a court held at Chester in the 10th month 1684,and a settler in Upper Providence.His wife Elizabeth,died in the beginning of the 7th month, 1687,and in the 2nd month 1692 he was married to Mary Conoway,widow of Thomas Conoway and dau.of Valentine Hollingsworth,of New Castle County. He was reccomended as a minister 10-27-1725,and in 1727 removed with his wife within the limits of Goshen Monthly Meeting. By his first wife he had Isaac,b.the latter end of the 5th mo.1681,m. Elizabeth Jones and Jane Pugh;Jacob,b.7-7-1686,m.Susanna Jones.By the 2nd wife he had Hannah,d.y (young?);Hannah,b.1-7-1695-6,m.Daniel Williamson Jr.;Rachel,b.5-24-1702,m.John Cain;Katharine,m.George(?) Tate.Isaac Malin settled in Whiteland township,while his brother Jacob remained in Upper Providence,where he died in 1727. William Malin,,son of Jacob and Susanna,m.Elizabeth Crosley and had children Jacob,Thomas,Hannah,Joel and George.The last m.5-30-1794,at Providence Meeting,Rebecca Ogden,b.1-19-1775;d.9-9-1829;dau.of Aaron Ogden and Esther Preston.They had children Aaron,Elizabeth (m.Samuel Smedley),Preston,Orpha (m.James Green),Sidney,Rebecca,Esther,Ann,George, Isaiah,Amor,Emeline and Ogden C.

oops....I misspoke. My Newlins came aboard the Levee of Liverpool, rather than the Lion of Liverpool.... The Levee (Liver) of Liverpool July 1683, James Kilner, master, Thomas Brinket Philip England George Green Edward Jones Nicholas Newlin and sons John and Nathaniel ...wife Mary (Supposedly Nicholas was quite a foxhunter in Ireland, and brought with him some/a horse/horses and his pack of foxhounds....wish I could remember where I found that. It does present a somewhat different picture of emigration....no hard tack and water for THIS fella...) The Lyon of Liverpool 8th month, 14, 1683, John Crumpton, master Benjamin Acton Lemuel Bradshaw Alice Cales Benjamin Clift Margaret Colvert (Calvert) William Conduit Richard Curtis Edmund Doyle Joseph and Elizabeth Fisher and children: Martha, Mary and Moses Henry Furnace Joseph Furnace Rachel Furnace Rowland Hambridge Henry Hollingsworth Elizabeth Johnson Robert Kilcarth Edward Lancaster Robert Lloyd Peter Long William Long Phillip Packer John Reeves William Robertson Robert Selford Thomas Tearewood Mary Toole -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/394 - Release Date: 7/20/2006

Roger Lester: I have LUCAS Families in Orange/Culpeper County, Virginia (Land grants in Northern Neck) in that timeline, but I do not know of a Sytha Lucas. There are many LUCAS families in Virginia. Violet Moore Guy 07/21/2005. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Lester" <roger_d_lester@hotmail.com> To: <PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: [PaOldC] Lester/Lucas? marriage 1772 > I am searching for documentation of a marriage which may have taken place in > Chester County, PA in 1772 between Thomas Lester and Sytha Lucas(?). I had > thought that they were in Virginia at the time but another researcher > recently suggested Chester Co. > Thanks in advance for any assistance, > Roger Lester > > > > ==== PA-OLD-CHESTER Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribing.... To leave PA-old-chester-l, send mail to > PA-old-chester-l-request@rootsweb.com with the single word unsubscribe in the message or subject slot. > > > NO VIRUS WARNINGS - if you are concerned contact me PERSONALLY ferg@ntelos.net > > please visit the Chester Co rootsweb site...it is full of area photos, helpful URLs and lots of county information > http://www.pa-roots.com/~chester/ > > If you have ANY problems, do not send them to the list > contact me personally....list manager ferg@ntelos.net > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Futhey and Cope have nothing for the surname Farr, and that would include a good many tax lists. The will CD has Farrs, in Chester, but nothing that includes a John.....there was a John in Philly, but not till way too late to be "your" John. This is the earliest will mention of a Farr, in Chester; FARR, RICHARD. Edgmont, yeoman.May 14, 1743. October 8, 1744. B. 167.Provides for wife Alice inc plantation where I now live during life afterward to brother Edward Farr he paying legacies. To daughter in law Sarah Warner 50 shillings. To daughter in law Hannah Mattson 50 shillings. To brother Wm. Farr 20 shillings.Executors: wife Alice and friend Joseph Pratt.Witnesses: Wm. Griffith Sr, Thos. Goodwin, Cadwallader Evans. The 1756 Chester Archives include Edward Farr, from Edgmont who owned 100 acres (his will below). and Isaac, a single man, who is mentioned as son of Edward. FARR, EDWARD. Edgmont.December 13, 1780. March 30, 1781.Provides for wife Jane. To daughter Mary Cox and son Isaac20 shillings each. To each of my grandchildren by my daughter Jane Lewis 20 shillings. To son William and daughter Phebe Varnon 20 shillings. To son Abraham 3 horses, gears, etc., also plantation in Edgmont, containing about 100 acres. Executors: Son Abraham, George Bishop. Wit: Joseph Pratt, Joseph Bishop. As both are from Edgmont, I might find them in my book on Edgmont, but right now it is at my husband's office, awaiting his making some copies for another list member.....(that's you, George S....I haven't forgotten)....so, ask me some time later and I'll see if I can find anything in the Edgmont book.. S. " Is there a John FARR in Chester County at this time (c 1713)" -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/394 - Release Date: 7/20/2006

Valentine's name appears on no list, but Henry, his son, crossed the Atlantic on the Lion of Liverpool, arriving 14 8thm 1683. My Newlins were on this ship, but, as it's name says, it originated in Liverpool, one of the great English ports of it's day. There is speculation on the Ship Valentine came on, but no documentation (this is from THE WELCOME CLAIMANTS, PROVED, DISPROVED AND DOUBTFUL.) Some say that he arrived 'a few months after Wm Penn's arrival".....one says he sailed from "Belfast for the Delaware River" It is generally believed, though, that he came aboard the Antelope and arrived 10th 10th mo 1682 with at least one other passenger from Ireland....Ann Milcom of Armagh, Ireland, widow. "My records indicate that there was one ship that Penn had came from Ireland , and my Ancestor VALENTINE HOLLINGSWORTH and his family were on it, and were from Ireland- maybe it was an English ship? " -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/394 - Release Date: 7/20/2006

In researching for my NICHOLSON ancestors, I found information on the "George & Anne" and the "John of Dublin," both ships headed for Philadelphia, PA from Ireland 20 May 1729 under Captain Rymer. The "George & Anne" was under the sponsor of Charles CLYNTON/CLINTON. These were Presbyterians (Scotch-Irish) and not Irish Quakers. They were not indentured servants; but appear to be families of some standing. The story of the George & Anne is a sad one and worth reading. The ship's captain evidently delayed the voyage in order to starve the passengers to death so he could gain control of their assets. Here are some links for those who wish to read them. Evidently, Charles CLYNTON/CLINTON kept a journal of the voyage. The "John of Dublin" landed in Philadelphia, while the "George and Ann" got off course and landed later in New York. There is quite a bit of information on the MC DOWELL family, some of whom lived in Chester County. Although I have found references to some of the passengers (Francis NICHOLSON and family); I have not been able to find a complete ship's passenger listing for everyone onboard. I have found nothing on the "John of Dublin," except for a mention of it as a sister ship which left at the same time and did make it to Philadelphia, PA in 1729. It also came from Ireland. Here's an excerpt from Charles CLYNTON/CLINTON's journal. His descendent went on to become Vice President of the United States. I did find a reference to a Francis NICHOLSON and family. Francis died en route. I also found this reference which gives other passengers names. Mr. Clinton's journal lists those who died. William CRAIGE, born April 29, 1694 in East Kilbride, Lanarksire, Scotland 12; died February 1761 in Orange County, NC (Hawfield Cemetery)13. He married 259. Margaret LOGAN 1729 in On board ship "George & Ann"13. (Note: The Clinton man died in Orange County, NY; so the NC may be in error.) Journal of 1729 Voyage to America - Clinton Company The voyage, on the George & Ann, left on May 9th 1729 and "discovered land of the Continent of America ye 4th day of October 1729." A total of 139 days form embarktation to the landing at Cape Cod, durning which time 96 deaths occured on board the ship.The original destination of the Clinton Company was to Pennsylvania, but from the terrible mortality on the vessel, and the shortness of provisions growing out of so long a voyage, the passengers were glad to see land at the first available place, which proved to be Cape Cod. Remaining there during the winter, were a number added to the list of dead,they came to New York, where, finding satisfactory terms, they purchased lands at Little Britain ( at that time it was Ulster Co NY, but after 1789 became Orange Co NY. Very near to the Hudson River) where they gave to the State, in themselves and in there descendants, some of the noblest men in its annals. Just a few quotes of the Journals. A journal of my Voyage and Travles from the County of Longford in the Kingdom of Ireland to Pennsylvania in America, Anno Dom. 1729. I took my journey from County of Longford on friday the 9th day of May: came to Dublin on the 12th ditto. Entered on shipboard call'd the Groege & Ann ye 18th. Sett sail the 20th....Came to anchor ar Glanrom on th 24th, where Matthew MC CLAUGHRY and his wife and two of his family went on shoar and quit their voyage. Set sail from Glanarom on ye 25th and came to anchor at Green Castle in the Lough of Foyle on ye 26th, were we stay'd to ye 29th.; then sett sail in company with John of Dublin, bound for New Castle in the same country....On the 30th at night a stron arose yt continued to ye first of JUne at eneninf which Lowered our Bowsprit with hazard to our Masts....On the 3rd ditto my daughter Catherine and son James fell sick of the measels... A strong gale of westerly wind continued to ye 10th ditto...James WILSON child died ye 5th....On the 8th child of James MC DOWEL's died and was thrown overboard...One of ye servt's on board beloning to Gerald CRUISE threw himself over deck and was drowned... On the 15th my daughter Mary fell sick of ye measels...A Return of the persons that died on board of ye George and Ann...On Tuesday ye 23d a child of John BROOKS died...My own daughter(Mary) on ye 2 of August at night....a girl of Robert FRAZER...a son of John MC DOWEL...a son of Robert Frazer...a child of James THOMPSON...Robert Frazer...John CROOK a salior...James Thompson's wife...Widow Frazer's daughter...another servant of Cruise's...my son James on ye 28th of August, 1729 at 7 in ye morning...Discovered land on ye Contient of America ye 4th day of October 1729. From History of Orange Co NY 1683-1881 by Ruttenger & Clark publ. 1881 Note: Charles Clinton was the father of Governor George Clinton (the 1st Gov of the State of NY under the constitution of 1777, and later held the office of Vice President of America. (Florence Fulton Wolfe) Here's more on the passengers who died: _http://www.from-ireland.net/history/preslong1729.htm_ (http://www.from-ireland.net/history/preslong1729.htm) Here's are more detailed stories about the voyage. _http://www.tracycrocker.com/p32.htm_ (http://www.tracycrocker.com/p32.htm) _http://www.oulton.com/cwa/newsships.nsf/45cc5cb7c20526ef85256529004f20f0/70c8 31592cc51b8685256b6600730c16!OpenDocument_ (http://www.oulton.com/cwa/newsships.nsf/45cc5cb7c20526ef85256529004f20f0/70c831592cc51b8685256b6600730c16!OpenDo cument) Most of the ships listed on Olive Tree are German Palatine. But, there's a link for anyone who wishes to look. _http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tousa_index.shtml_ (http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tousa_index.shtml) Here's the link for the MCDOWELL family and information on the voyage. _http://members.tripod.com/leomcdowell/id27.htm_ (http://members.tripod.com/leomcdowell/id27.htm) There were also MC CLAUGHERY's on board; but they went back to Ireland. _http://cp1237.com/mcclgen/timeline.htm_ (http://cp1237.com/mcclgen/timeline.htm) There is also a site which mentions the IRVINE or IRVIN family(Robert, Thomas, Alexander, George, William, Robert, James, and Samuel) along with some MC DOWELL's; but it states they landed in Philadelphia which the George and Anne did not. However, I have read that those passengers who disembarked in Cape Cod did come to Pennsylvania, many to Chester County. The "John of Dublin" did make it to Philadelphia, PA with it's load of passengers. I have never been able to find a passenger listing of either ship on Ancestry or anywhere online. Here's rootsweb's link with lots of information for various things, but including ships listings off Olive Tree: _http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/?o_xid=0030660188&o_lid=0030660188&o_xt=30 660188_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/?o_xid=0030660188&o_lid=0030660188&o_xt=30660188) Here's a rootsweb link with search capability by name, date, ship, port of origin, port of destination, etc.: _http://userdb.rootsweb.com/passenger/_ (http://userdb.rootsweb.com/passenger/) And, last, but not least, here are 2 more links of ships. One gives ships entering and leaving Philadelphia in 1729/1730 including some from Ireland. The other gives ships leaving Ireland and arriving in the Colonies between the dates of 1729 to 1749. I hope everyone has more luck than I did! If anyone has been successful in discovering a passenger listing of the "John of Dublin," I would appreciate getting the source. Thanks. Anne _http://www.immigrantships.net/newsarticles/captains1729.html_ (http://www.immigrantships.net/newsarticles/captains1729.html) _http://www.genealogybranches.com/irishpassengerlists/ships.html_ (http://www.genealogybranches.com/irishpassengerlists/ships.html) In a message dated 7/21/2006 10:34:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rdutton1@tampabay.rr.com writes: > Someone has suggest that perhaps many of the Irish came to the colonies as > Indentures from Ireland, and I honestly know nothing about this > possibility. (I'm speaking of the 1700s, and not the Potato famine > emigration.) While I've read and posted a ton of ships' passenger lists, > I can't honestly remember one that actually came FROM Ireland. The vast > majority, of folks from GB, originated from England. Even my own English > Quakers, who had fled England and persecution, to live in Ireland, came to > PA aboard a ship that sailed from Liverpool. > One of the ways folks made a 'deal' for their passage, was to sign up > with a ship's captain for free passage...and, upon arrival in the new > world, the were 'sold' to a local for a certain # of years, and the money > from the sale was paid to the captain who brought them over. So, it > would seem that, unless there were ships leaving from Ireland, the Irish > poor wouldn't have had an opportunity to get free passage, and they sure > wouldn't have been able to pay their own way to England to sign up for > indentures. > In looking for Irish ships/passengers, etc I was surfing the British > Bondage CD and was knocked over to discover that between 1614 and 1776, > there were over 45,000 documented names of British convicts sentenced to > transportation to the American Colonies....geez, that's a LOT of people > forcefully shipped to the New World! I looked through the convict ships > ports of embarkation, and only one, even of these ships, was in Ireland. > Apparently prisoners were convicted, sentenced, loaded onto ships in > Ireland and taken to England (English courts, ships and English captains), > before they departed for the new world...... > I'd be really interested in anything anyone knows on ships that were > actually Irish ships....and came to the New World.....a fascinating > subject. > > S.

Thanks Sandra, > There is no mention of the surnames Cadie or Redly, or other likely > spellings, in Futhey and Cope, nor are there any area wills that contain > them. The Von Culen is probably a variation of the name Van Culin, the area > family who came, originally, from Finland... Yes --I think we do have a family of NEw-Sweden here. But which one? > Catharina is not an English form of the name, either.....it's much more likely to be Germanic/Swedish, etc I tend to agree and have some candidates for her, but won't speculate about who she might be at this point. So, let me ask another quick one: Is there a John FARR in Chester County at this time (c 1713) --is that part of the baptism record at least correct?? Or is this really one of the John CARRs who was around? Thanks again, Liz J

Hi -- My records indicate that there was one ship that Penn had came from Ireland , and my Ancestor VALENTINE HOLLINGSWORTH and his family were on i, and were from Ireland- maybe it was an English ship? Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Ferguson" <ferg@ntelos.net> To: <PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:34 PM Subject: Irish emigration > Someone has suggest that perhaps many of the Irish came to the colonies as > Indentures from Ireland, and I honestly know nothing about this > possibility. (I'm speaking of the 1700s, and not the Potato famine > emigration.) While I've read and posted a ton of ships' passenger lists, > I can't honestly remember one that actually came FROM Ireland. The vast > majority, of folks from GB, originated from England. Even my own English > Quakers, who had fled England and persecution, to live in Ireland, came to > PA aboard a ship that sailed from Liverpool. > One of the ways folks made a 'deal' for their passage, was to sign up > with a ship's captain for free passage...and, upon arrival in the new > world, the were 'sold' to a local for a certain # of years, and the money > from the sale was paid to the captain who brought them over. So, it > would seem that, unless there were ships leaving from Ireland, the Irish > poor wouldn't have had an opportunity to get free passage, and they sure > wouldn't have been able to pay their own way to England to sign up for > indentures. > In looking for Irish ships/passengers, etc I was surfing the British > Bondage CD and was knocked over to discover that between 1614 and 1776, > there were over 45,000 documented names of British convicts sentenced to > transportation to the American Colonies....geez, that's a LOT of people > forcefully shipped to the New World! I looked through the convict ships > ports of embarkation, and only one, even of these ships, was in Ireland. > Apparently prisoners were convicted, sentenced, loaded onto ships in > Ireland and taken to England (English courts, ships and English captains), > before they departed for the new world...... > I'd be really interested in anything anyone knows on ships that were > actually Irish ships....and came to the New World.....a fascinating > subject. > > S. > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006 > > ______________________________ >

There is no mention of the surnames Cadie or Redly, or other likely spellings, in Futhey and Cope, nor are there any area wills that contain them. The Von Culen is probably a variation of the name Van Culin, the area family who came, originally, from Finland... John, the first emigrant, died in 1683. Hans Petersson is also an area Swedish/Finnish name so I looked among Swedish info to see if I could find the two women, but no luck.....(Catharina is not an English form of the name, either.....it's much more likely to be Germanic/Swedish, etc...so, I wonder if the mother is not of English lineage, also...I know we can't accept as fact the spellings found in records, but it's food for though) S. There is a baptism record of Old Swedes Church, Christeen (Wilmington), which I would like some help with. I hope, since the parent is said to be located in Chester County, that someone here would know. 1713: John FARR's of Chester County, child Catharina, born Feb. 14, baptized Sept. 13. Sponsors: Hans PETERSSON, Capt. Johan VON CULEN, Rebecca> REDLY, Elizabeth CADIE. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006

There is a baptism record of Old Swedes Church, Christeen (Wilmington), which I would like some help with. I hope, since the parent is said to be located in Chester County, that someone here would know. 1713: John FARR's of Chester County, child Catharina, born Feb. 14, baptized Sept. 13. Sponsors: Hans PETERSSON, Capt. Johan VON CULEN, Rebecca REDLY, Elizabeth CADIE. The record was kindly posted some years back to the Old-Swede's list. Hope this is accurate. Here's what I need: Can anyone identify the sponsor, "Elizabeth CADIE"?? If anyone can say who was Rebecca REDLY, (or for-maybe-sure which Hans Peterson this one was) I would appreciate that too, but I especially need to know who Elizabeth Cadie is. I don't necessarily need a whole lot of explanation, but just enough to identify her would please me greatly. Thanks Very Much, Liz J

As there are no marriages recorded at the county or state level, in that timeframe, you'll have to search through church records, just about your only option, (and do so with your fingers crossed.) It's a help if you have know the religion of the folks who married.... narrows down the search a great deal. Sandra "I am searching for documentation of a marriage which may have taken place in Chester County, PA in 1772 between Thomas Lester and Sytha Lucas(?). I had thought that they were in Virginia at the time but another researcher recently suggested Chester Co." -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006

The CD has the info from the book you mention...emigrants from Ireland to America..etc........plus lots of other records of transported British convicts ...It interestingly says that many of the records of the transported Irish felons were destroyed in a fire, in 1922, and the only records left are drawn from The Journal of the House of Commons....(I would imagine that the fire was part of the Irish Uprising, which was around that timeframe, wouldn't you...at the tail end of the Easter Uprising).... S. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006