Apparently there is a Genealogy of the Hawley family as Cope gives the lineage of Mary.I know of a couple at Higginson books. #481 ISAAC SMEDLEY (Peter,William,George,George),b.Uwchlan,4-29-1791;d. West Chester,11-26-1872;m.11-20-1823,at Bradford Meeting,Mary Hawley,b. 7-11-1803;d.West Chester,2-13-1873;dau.of Benjamin Hawley (Benjamin, Benjamin,Thomas) and Deborah Hoopes (Abiah,Joshua,Daniel,Daniel,Joshua) of East Bradford,Concord,&c.Isaac inherited a farm of about 76 acres in Uwchlan,which he sold in 1864 to John R Hoffman,and removed to West Chester,Pa. Lew Smedley Visit the George Smedley Home Pages at: http://smedley.lewis.home.att.net and http://smedley.george.home.att.net

I found my copy of Quaker Records of Bradford Monthly Meeting and after a little looking I think I have my answer. At the marriage of Benjamin Hawley and Mary Johnson, Robert Johnson and a Katherine ? (ink blot) was listed under the brides area. No Benjamin Johnson listed. I guess Cope made a mistake. He doesn't make many. Thanks for your help. Barclay

In an attachment that Donna just sent me is reference to Mary Johnsons parents. it states..... A history of Delaware CO Pa and its People. Jordan John Woolf Benjamin Jr member of Bradford Meeting married there 4 month 22 1756 to Mary daughter of Robert Johnson of E Bradford said to have been from England and Katherine Knott Johnson his wife. Hope this answers your question or will it make more??? Yvonne -----Original Message----- From: ferg@ntelos.net To: Quaker1682@aol.com Cc: pa-old-chester-l@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Benj. JOHNSON F&C only say that Mary was the daughter of Benj. Johnson, of East Bradford. S. Sandra or other list member, Do you know who Benjamin Johnson's wife was and their dates? He is listed by you from F&C as the father of Mary Johnson, wife of Benjamin Hawley. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.5/482 - Release Date: 10/18/2006 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

F&C only say that Mary was the daughter of Benj. Johnson, of East Bradford. S. Sandra or other list member, Do you know who Benjamin Johnson's wife was and their dates? He is listed by you from F&C as the father of Mary Johnson, wife of Benjamin Hawley. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.5/482 - Release Date: 10/18/2006

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Sandra or other list member, Do you know who Benjamin Johnson's wife was and their dates? He is listed by you from F&C as the father of Mary Johnson, wife of Benjamin Hawley. Could they be Benjamin Johnson b. 5.31.1707 and Mary Jackson b. 4.3.1708. Thanks, Barclay

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I have a very difficult brick wall. My 2nd Gr grandfather Isaac Dickinson b 1824 in PA (I believe in either Berks or Lancaster Counties). He married Martha (maiden name unknown) somettime between 1842 and 1847. I believe that her family was from Chester County. Their first child (James) was born Oct 1847 in Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA. Isaac Worked in a "Rolling Mill" as did most of his sons and several of his grandsons after him. They lived in Sadsbury Township until sometime between the 1850 and 1860 Federal Census when they moved to Valley Township also in Chester County. I have not been able to find out when he died, in fact the last that I have been able to find him is in the 1880 Census in Valley Township with his family (there is ANOTHER Isaac Dickinson b abt 1824 in Chester County that I have found in all of the census' living in the West Pileland twp in most of the census' by searching the individual Census pages (I have not been able to find him just by searching for his name, except for in the 1880 Census living with his daughter Anna and her family in Modena, Chester County, PA). I believe that he IS related to my Isaac Dickinson (probably a cousin). I originally thought that he was my 2nd gr grandfather living with his daughter until I found mine living with his family in Valley Township. They both have several children with very simular names. (both have daughters named Anna and Caroline for instance). I have not yet found out when my 2nd gr grandmother (Martha) died, but hopefully since she was alive and living with her daughter Carrie according to the 1910 Census (almost next door to Anna and her family, the daughter of the other Isaac Dickinson). But I have NOT been able to find her in the 1900 Census anywhere. Thank you for ANY help that you can give me on this, Mary

Caleb b. 1757 Thomas 1758-1780-1 Joseph 1760-1856 Robert 1762 Rachel 1763 Hannah 1766 Mary 1767 Lydia 1769-1770 Susanna 1770 Tamer 1772 Rebecca 1774-1859 Dinah 1776 Benj. 1777-1857 Phebe 1779-1782 Mary Hawley was the mother of ALL these children...the poor soul had children constantly, for 22 years! and, she lived to a ripe old age - 89. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/477 - Release Date: 10/16/2006

Benjamin Hawley was born 8-5-1703, died 7-28-1782, and was the son of Thomas and Frances Malin Hawley, of London. Benj. came to Pa in 1722, and lived some years with John Willis jr in Thornbury; married 1-5-1750. Dinah Gabiter, dau of John Gabiter of the parish of Giles, in the Fields, London, who died 11-26-1761, in the 63 year of her life. He followed farming and teaching school, mostly in the neighborhood of Birmingham...; he was married at the Birmingham meeting 4-20-1763. to his 2nd wife Catharine Hillborn, and spent the last years of his life at his son Joseph's in West Bradford. He was buried at Birmingham, as was his first and perhaps his last wife, who died 5-13-1789. Benj jr married 4-22-1756, Mary, dau of Benj Johnson of East Bradford, and settled there near his brother Joseph. (there is more ...they had around 14 children), if you'd care to send me which of the children you believe is your line) This is all from THE HISTORY OF CHESTER COUNTY PA, by Futhey and Cope. from the CD of PA wills. HAWLEY, BENJAMIN. Concord.January 28, 1777. August 3, 1782.Directs body to be in graveyard at Birmingham near that of former wife. Provides for wife Catherine and son John during life. At their decease, to be divided between 3 sons Benjamin, Joseph and William, daughter Mary Kirgan and children of daughter Susanna. Mentions her eldest son David, also granddaughter Frances Beal.Executors: Sons Benjamin, Joseph and William.Wit: George Eavenson, Jacob Yearsley, Jane Jefferis. from CONCORD TOWNSHIP - THE COLONIAL LEGACY, by Case; in 1789 Benj. Hawleys net worth was 342 L....his total wealth was 418L. (his name appears on other lists of net worth, indicating that he was a wealthy man. Sandra " Benjamin Hawley d1782, His wife Dinah Galerter d1761 Chester Co Pa Benjamin Jr d 1815 Bradford Twp Chester Co Pa His wife Mary Johnson d 1822 Bradford Twp Chester Co Pa These are not documented so there could be error. " No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/477 - Release Date: 10/16/2006

In a message dated 10/17/2006 3:24:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, mal3@mal.net writes: http://www.civilwarhome.com/pensions.htm Now this is so interesting! Back when times were hard a man might need a young woman to raise his kids and she might need a husband with enough assets to have kids with <G> but the cold blooded going for pension <G> got to love it<G> Eliz

Yvonne, I have Hawleys in my database. If you could give some names I may be able to help. Donna -----Original Message----- From: pa-old-chester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pa-old-chester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of vonnieh50@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:59 PM To: pa-old-chester-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [PaOldC] Friends Cemetery I am looking for the cemetery foraQuaker family that lived in Bradford Chester Co Pa, late 1700's early 1800's The surname would be Hawley. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you Yvonne Hawley ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I believe you'll find that East and West Bradford are townships, not towns, and as such take in a larger area. As you probably know, Pennsylvania was formed as a Quaker colony, so every township and town had Quaker meeting houses and Quaker burying grounds. I'd suggest you visit the Chester Co site and look for the listing of all meetings, where they're located and their dates of inception. This might give you a better idea of what you're looking for...(there was/is a Bradford meeting, but I just don't remember the dates for it). It's always a good idea to include a FULL name, when you place a query. Many of us have lots of resources, but without a full name - that is, given and surname - we can't know who to look for. Sandra " I am looking for the cemetery foraQuaker family that lived in Bradford Chester Co Pa, late 1700's early 1800's " The surname would be Hawley." -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/477 - Release Date: 10/16/2006

I am looking for the cemetery foraQuaker family that lived in Bradford Chester Co Pa, late 1700's early 1800's The surname would be Hawley. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you Yvonne Hawley ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

>I know of several "older men" who have married younger women... A good tip to look for to explain some odd age gaps in marriage in the post Civil War era is that when Civil War Veterans pension rules were relaxed, circa 1890-1906, this caused a rash of young women marrying old vets so they'd get the pension money even after the vet died. This supposedly resulted in many young brides married to very old men in cases that normally we'd look at from a genealogy point of view as being suspect and unlikely. I've never seen it discussed as a genealogy tip but realized this was something to look for when I heard a reference to the old vets marrying young brides on a History Channel show that mentioned the act and the wave of marriages of teens to old men that followed this. An explanation of Civil War pensions is found here: http://www.civilwarhome.com/pensions.htm While pensions were offered previously for disabilities, it was the 1890 act or the 1906 revision to allow old age as a disability that encouraged the May/December marriages. "In 1890 the most notable revision in the Federal pension law occurred: the Dependent Pension Act. A result of the intense lobbying effort of the veterans' organization, the Grand Army of the Republic, this statute removed the link between pensions and service-related injuries, allowing any veteran who had served honorably to qualify for a pension if at some time he became disabled for manual labor. By 1906 old age alone became sufficient justification to receive a pension." Before that pensions were there for disabilities and for widows and dependants. But the 1890 act opened a door that probably left a lot of happy old men tended by happy young wives who were little more than caretakers for a few years before drawing a pension for life. I've seen some cases where it appears that some of these marriages were arranged to cousins to help funnel money back into the family. Once you know to look for these kind of marriages you'll probably think twice next time you see a marriage with a suspiciously large gap in age to see if it fits as a Civil War vet with a pension. This probably helped carry some families through the Depression since any single vets still living by the late 1920's offered a guaranteed meal ticket. Marrying off a daughter to an old uncle could have put food on the table for the whole family. The pensions probably also explain some elderly relatives living with families on old census records where you might even see unrelated elderly vets taken in by a family.

>From a lookup in THE IMMIGRATION OF THE IRISH QUAKERS INTO PA 1683-1750, by Myers. There are many pages on this family, and if you will send me your ancestor in this family I'll see what it has to say. The bio starts with John Marsh, a Friend, of Armagh, County Armagh, Ireland, who was living in that town as early as 1664...his will is dated 1688 and in it he mentions his house had "plott in the Scotch Street in Aremagh" which he began renting in Oct of 1644. He was persecuted many times for his Quaker faith, for a number of years...and, it is even on record that one of his servants was imprisoned for trying to conceal some grain in an attempt to keep it from being taken by the local authorities. His son Joseph was disowned from the Lugurn meeting (reason unknown) and it appears he died before his father, earlier in '88, leaving at least 2 children, mentioned in John's will....Joshua and Margery.....Joshua married Elizabeth Rogers at the Ballyhagen meeting, in 1695, and in 1736, Joshua and his son John began to make ready to move with their families to PA, and carried with them a certificate from the Grange meeting, near Charlimount, dated 2nd 4mo 1736...they are mentioned in the minutes of the Men's and Women's Meetings, at Goshen, 18th 8th mo 1736. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/470 - Release Date: 10/10/2006

I know of several "older men" who have married younger women... My Gr Grandfather Isaac Dickinson b mar 1859 married Cora M Wescott b 12 Mar 1872... granted this is not as great of an age difference as what you are talking about, but still he was at least 13 years older than she was... > At first glance, it appears that you have Elizabeth marrying a man 16 or > so > years older than her own father....and then, having children when her > father > was 10...can't be so, pal. (this is sort of akin to the "I'm my own > grandpa", of silly song fame.) > S. > "I am having trouble with the time line of this family. Something doesn't > seem quite right here. > > Griffith Evans b. 1735 m. Eleanor. > Child of Griffith and Eleanor - Elizabeth Evans b. ? > Elizabeth Evans married David Srephens b. 1719 > children of David and Elizabeth - Abijah, Morris, Eleanor b. circa 1745 > Have I missed something here?" > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/470 - Release Date: 10/10/2006 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At first glance, it appears that you have Elizabeth marrying a man 16 or so years older than her own father....and then, having children when her father was 10...can't be so, pal. (this is sort of akin to the "I'm my own grandpa", of silly song fame.) S. "I am having trouble with the time line of this family. Something doesn't seem quite right here. Griffith Evans b. 1735 m. Eleanor. Child of Griffith and Eleanor - Elizabeth Evans b. ? Elizabeth Evans married David Srephens b. 1719 children of David and Elizabeth - Abijah, Morris, Eleanor b. circa 1745 Have I missed something here?" -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/470 - Release Date: 10/10/2006

I am having trouble with the time line of this family. Something doesn't seem quite right here. Griffith Evans b. 1735 m. Eleanor. Child of Griffith and Eleanor - Elizabeth Evans b. ? Elizabeth Evans married David Srephens b. 1719 children of David and Elizabeth - Abijah, Morris, Eleanor b. circa 1745 Have I missed something here? Barclay

Barclay - I don't know this family....I just happened to have a bit of free time and saw the Evans email and decided to see if I could help. I do know there was more than one Griffith Evans. There was a Griffith Evans who was a witness on a will written in 1727 in Treffydin, Chester Co., PA. Jeanne D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Quaker1682@aol.com To: wcjeanne@sbcglobal.net ; PA-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com ; mhfarnett@hotmail.com Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Morris and Abijah Stephens I am having trouble with the time line of this family. Something doesn't seem quite right here. Griffith Evans b. 1735 m. Eleanor. Child of Griffith and Eleanor - Elizabeth Evans b. ? Elizabeth Evans married David Srephens b. 1719 children of David and Elizabeth - Abijah, Morris, Eleanor b. circa 1745 Have I missed something here? Barclay