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Richard Hayes, esq John Parry esq SAmuel Lewis Henry Lewis Jo. Haverd in Lind** Valley Daniel Humphry David Lewellin Thomas James Samu. Reece in L:in Radnor Joan David Wm Lewis in L in Radnor Griffith Evan John Powel Humphry Ellis Jeremiah Ellis Henry Lawrance Thomas Lawrance Edward Jones Joseph Hays Benjamin Humphry David Thomas John Thomas Owen Thomas Joseph Lewis Thomas Taylor Freemen Thomas Vaughen -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.20/508 - Release Date: 10/31/2006

Sorry I hadn't gotten through all my email yet. I made the mistake other's do that I often complain about. I was reading emails from last week and hadn't seen the most recent ones. I'll save my questions for the lists then until I've gone through them all to see if they subject has been exhausted, answered, or information provided. Sorry to have gotten it started again. janean -----Original Message----- From: pa-old-chester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pa-old-chester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eric Olson Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:43 PM To: Sandra Ferguson; pa-old-chester-l@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PaOldC] DNA What Sandra means is that she does not want DNA as a topic on this List. That is understandable, as that subject is so vast and changing that the link she provides can typically get 100+ messages per day. That would completely swamp this List, which is for conventional paper genealogy. Genealogy-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com is a very technical and scientific discussion group, and would be confusing to many who would go there unprepared. An easier portal to the subject may be found at http://www.familytreedna.com/ or the GenForum site at http://genforum.genealogy.com/dna/ Regards, Eric > [Original Message] > From: Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> > To: <pa-old-chester-l@rootsweb.com> > Date: 10/30/2006 12:15:11 PM > Subject: Re: [PaOldC] DNA > > As I said earlier, I believe we've exhausted the DNA topic, and would > suggest that anyone interested in this fascinating, but complex subject, > might want to join the list set up by rootsweb, for just this purpose. > genealogy-dna-l-request@rootsweb.com > you can also surf the archives of that site, as with all rootsweb lists. > > Sandra > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: 10/27/2006 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As I said earlier, I believe we've exhausted the DNA topic, and would suggest that anyone interested in this fascinating, but complex subject, might want to join the list set up by rootsweb, for just this purpose. genealogy-dna-l-request@rootsweb.com you can also surf the archives of that site, as with all rootsweb lists. Sandra -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: 10/27/2006

I'm coming into this discussion late but this is the first I've ever heard anyone mention mtDNA. I don't study nor have I read much about DNA it is all too confusing to me. However..... but in participating in and mtDNA don't you still have to come from a direct line of women? No g-grandmother - her son - his daughter - her daughter - your dad - and you (female). It has to be direct female line right? Just as the pDNA has to be direct male line. YES? -----Original Message----- From: pa-old-chester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pa-old-chester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JFBailey Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 6:25 PM To: 'eeyore'; 'Nadine Holder'; pa-old-chester-l@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Woodwards of Chester County, Pennsylvania Margaret, A woman has two X Chromosomes (and no Y's), from her mother, that she received from her mother, etc.....the Maternal Lineage with mtDNA Men receive an X from their mother (just as his sister would have received), and a Y from their father, who received the Y from his father, etc.....the Paternal Lineage with Y DNA Thus, Genetic Genealogy helps to trace from Mother to Daughter, etc And from Father to Son, etc.... As a woman, you can only participate the Material lineage with mtDNA JFBailey www.baileywick.com -----Original Message----- From: pa-old-chester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pa-old-chester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of eeyore Sent: 22 October, 2006 14:37 To: Nadine Holder; pa-old-chester-l@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Woodwards of Chester County, Pennsylvania Could someone explain to my ignorant self why DNA projects require Y Dna (from males) in order to establish descendancy? My Woodward ancestors are from my mother (deceased), who had one brother (deceased), and all the male uncles are deceased. My mother had one son (deceased) and me and my sisters. I have no children. So I cannot participate in DNA projects, correct? Thanks, Margaret ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What Sandra means is that she does not want DNA as a topic on this List. That is understandable, as that subject is so vast and changing that the link she provides can typically get 100+ messages per day. That would completely swamp this List, which is for conventional paper genealogy. Genealogy-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com is a very technical and scientific discussion group, and would be confusing to many who would go there unprepared. An easier portal to the subject may be found at http://www.familytreedna.com/ or the GenForum site at http://genforum.genealogy.com/dna/ Regards, Eric > [Original Message] > From: Sandra Ferguson <ferg@ntelos.net> > To: <pa-old-chester-l@rootsweb.com> > Date: 10/30/2006 12:15:11 PM > Subject: Re: [PaOldC] DNA > > As I said earlier, I believe we've exhausted the DNA topic, and would > suggest that anyone interested in this fascinating, but complex subject, > might want to join the list set up by rootsweb, for just this purpose. > genealogy-dna-l-request@rootsweb.com > you can also surf the archives of that site, as with all rootsweb lists. > > Sandra > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: 10/27/2006 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here are some wills with familiar names. DAWSON, THOMAS. Cordwainer. West Caln. July 11, 1748. January 6, 1769.To wife Mary and son Abraham all real estate during her widowhood, afterward to son Abraham. To son Richard 5 shillings. To son Isaac £20 in 1750 and £15 in 1752. To daughter Ann £10. To daughter Forunata £10. "Having dun unto the rest of my chil[dren] (2) that are not mentioned here, I give to each of them one shilling." Executors: Wife Mary and son Abraham. Letters to Mary, the other being deceased.Wit: Thos. Dawson, Jr., Margaret Dawson, Wm. McKnight. DAWSON, ABRAHAM. West Caln.June 18, 1760.To father Thomas Dawson Sr. £40. To mother Mary Dawson household goods. Mentions cousin Mary Montgomery. To cousin Abraham, son of Isaac Dawson my tract of land in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania. To cousin Jacob, son of Richard Dawson £20. To St. John's Church in West Caln £10. Tract of land on which Daniel Justice dwells to and for the use of the poor of West Caln. To brother Isaac negro girl Esther, also negro man Lonnon until he is 45 and then to be set free. To brother Thomas £40 who with Nathaniel White are Executors. Witnesses: Richard Hope, James Sinkler. Phil. Co DAWSON, DANIEL. Philadelphia. Hatter.November 23, 1744. March 3, 1745. H.101.Wife: Elizabeth. Children: James Dawson, Daniel, Rosamond and Mary. Mother: Dorothy. Exec and Trustees: Samuel Fusill and Jeremiah Warder. Witnesses: Isaac Dawson, Sarah Hayes and Richard Hayes. DAWSON, JOHN. West Nuttingham, Co. of Chester, Penna. Farmer. February 24, 1756. November 19, 1757. L.23.Children: Joseph, Samuel, Isaac, Nathan and John. Grandchildren: Children of sons, viz., Samuel, Isaac, Nathan and John Dawson. Daughter-in-Law: Anne Dawson. Exec: Joseph and Anne Dawson.Witnesses: John Allen, Senr., John Allen, Junr., Elizabeth Kirk (her mark). 1) Jacob Dawson b. 1750 in Chester, PA, d. 1808 Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio (m. Ann Salne); s/o Isaac b. 1720 Edgmont, Chester Co., PA, d. Frederick, VA (m. Mary Cherry); s/o Thomas b. abt. 1690/1700 probably in England, buried West Caln, Chester Co., PA (m. Mary). 2) James Dawson, s/o Daniel Dawson and Elizabeth Hallowell, m. Mary Hamilton in Philadelphia in either 1750 or 1762 (he may also have married Sarah Eagle in 172). Daniel was the son of Dorothy and John Dawson, Jr., who was the son of John and Katherine of St. Peter, Le Poer, London. In this country they were affiliated with the Friends Meeting in Abington, PA. Dorothy and John had the following children: John, Ann, Daniel, Sarah, Isaac, Benjamin and (possibly) James. Generations later in Northumberland County, my descendants were using many >> of these same names - in particular James/Jacob, Edward, Daniel and Mary. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: 10/27/2006

----- Original Message ----- From: "Natalie Burrows" <ndburrows@verizon.net> To: "Philadelphia Genealogy" <PAPHILAD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 7:00 PM Subject: [PAPhl] Dawsons in Phila. area in early 1700's >I am interested in two Dawson families living in the Philadelphia vicinity >circa 1700-1750. Is anyone also researching these families? > > > 1) Jacob Dawson b. 1750 in Chester, PA, d. 1808 Cincinnati, Hamilton > County, Ohio (m. Ann Salne); s/o Isaac b. 1720 Edgmont, Chester Co., PA, > d. Frederick, VA (m. Mary Cherry); s/o Thomas b. abt. 1690/1700 probably > in England, buried West Caln, Chester Co., PA (m. Mary). > > 2) James Dawson, s/o Daniel Dawson and Elizabeth Hallowell, m. Mary > Hamilton in Philadelphia in either 1750 or 1762 (he may also have married > Sarah Eagle in 1762). Daniel was the son of Dorothy and John Dawson, Jr., > who was the son of John and Katherine of St. Peter, Le Poer, London. In > this country they were affiliated with the Friends Meeting in Abington, > PA. Dorothy and John had the following children: > John, Ann, Daniel, Sarah, Isaac, Benjamin and (possibly) James. > > Generations later in Northumberland County, my descendants were using many > of these same names - in particular James/Jacob, Edward, Daniel and Mary. > > Any help greatly appreciated. > Natalie > ndburrows@verizon.net > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/delaware/cemeteries/holycross01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/delaware/cemeteries/holycross00.txt -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.16/504 - Release Date: 10/27/2006

Just posted a link for Quaker info...and that link won't work, here is the working link. Sorry for any inconvenience Peg http://midatlanticarchives.com/<http://midatlanticarchives.com/>

Good morning: Here is another link for info on Pa Quakers http://www.midatlanticarchives.com<http://www.midatlanticarchives.com/> Peg

Hi, To add to Sandra's Quaker info.. There is also Quaker lists right here at rootsweb.com That are very helpful. Nelda Nelda's websites - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ yDNA tests for Hurst, Beatty, Gilpin, Graves; all direct male relatives _________________________________________________________________ Add a Yahoo! contact to Windows Live Messenger for a chance to win a free trip! http://www.imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/yahoo/default.aspx?locale=en-us&hmtagline

Not long ago, prior to the recent DNA discussions, someone on this list mentioned the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation project. Please see: http://www.smgf.org I would like to ask you all to consider having your family participate in this free DNA genealogy project if you are able to. It appears this is open to males of any surname, as long as you have an ancestor born before 1900 clearly documented. In contrast to most other DNA projects this one is free, and as was noted previously it applies a rigid standard of documentation. It also has a focus on both Y-DNA and mtDNA, and it looks like a very worthwhile project to participate in. See: http://www.smgf.org/pages/overview.jspx "Y-chromosome DNA results and pedigree charts are available for searching in the Sorenson Database. Y-DNA results and pedigrees help you trace your direct paternal line. "SMGF plans to release the Sorenson Mitochondrial Database in the second half of 2006. mtDNA results and pedigrees can help you trace your direct maternal line." It's worth reading up on this to understand the project better. They don't give you the results of your own DNA testing but they do make it available in their database. So it appears that it's not dificult to find your results and to then compare these to other surname specific DNA projects. They offer some databases of the resutls to date, and this appears to be linked to proven trees in a way that could be helpful to any reasearchers. An overview of the database is offered here: http://www.smgf.org/pages/sorensondatabase.jspx It's a little more complicated than some other surname specific testing projects I've seen. But those tend to have inconsistent testing standards and in some cases suffer from problems with two different kinds of tests that don't match up. The Sorenson project will database a broader spectrum of surnames and apply scientific research principles to this. You may even find some useful clues and leads from the info already in the database without participating. If you participate are able to find your DNA results through the related trees they link to, but all living generations are kept anonymous. This is non-profit, and personal data is not shared or kept on file. It links to some LDS related trees in some cases but claims to be independent. As I understand it, to participate you need to be a male (of any surname) and need to submit 4 generations of data including yourself, and have an ancestor born before 1900. I heard that they want proven genealogical data for the generations submitted. That sounds like a good thing, but could add some cost out of your pocket if you don't already have the necessary documentation. It appears likely that by taking the broader approach that this uses in contrast to surname specific Y-DNA projects that this could build a very useful mtDNA database to offer some clarity on maternal lines also. Because this is free it seems worth forwarding more info on this to get broader participation. It stikes me that the cost of current surname specific DNA projects is one of the main obstacles preventing broader participation, and it seems that it should be possible to take the results from participating in the Sorenson project and to contribute those to other surname specific projects.

Link is broken. What journal is it in? If noone got back to you with it, I could look. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Spangrude" <kimspangrude@mac.com> To: <pa-OLD-CHESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 4:49 PM Subject: [PaOldC] The JSTOR online publication > Does anyone have online access, or an electronic copy, of the following > article, William Penn and the Selling of Pennsylvania? > Thanks, Kim > > http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0003 > -049X%2819831014%29127%3A5%3C322%3AWPATSO%3E2.0.CO%3B2-6&size=LARGE > > William Penn and the Selling of Pennsylvania, 1681-1685 > Richard S. Dunn > Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society, Vol. 127, No. 5 > (Oct. 14, 1983), pp. 322-329 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just happened to think......those of you with Quaker questions might do well to post them on the Quaker section of the genforum. You never know....someone may have an answer for you, and it never hurts to try anywhere and everywhere! I've found help and 'met' cousins there that have evolved into friends....and been able to help others, too. So, give it a try...post the queries to surnames too, as well as the Quaker section. http://genforum.genealogy.com/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.12/499 - Release Date: 10/26/2006

Red-faced grin. So much for MY memory! Yer right, how could I forget? Duh. My dad always said he was a good pattern maker, he followed the pattern in front of him and made girls. Men are XY and women are XX. THAT is why it is more simple to track the tail male lines than the female lines via DNA testing.

Women are XX and males are XY... > I've forgotten which is the X and which is the Y - but - this much I DO > remember. Males are either XX or YY (only because I don't remember which > is > which), and women are both, X and Y, XY. Or vice versa, males are YY and > women are still XY. Women can pass on EITHER the X or the Y. Males can > ONLY > pass on the one 'cause that is all they've got and what makes them male. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PA-OLD-CHESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have you posted your question to the New Castle Co list? They'd be better able to answer your questions. Part of the 'trick' of finding answers is to ask the 'right' place...and, in this case, it's another county in another state. However, if you have the Wilmington MM records for the correct years, and the names aren't included, then I wouldn't know where else to look. S. " Can anyone on the list tell me where to find death, interment or gravestone information for persons buried in the Wilmington (DE) Friends Burying Ground? I am interested in persons surnamed DEAN who were Quakers and died at Wilmington between 1749 and 1758." . I have looked at the FHL microfilm #006321, "Lists of births 1707-1851, marriages 1733-1917 and deaths 1736-1872 from the records of Wilmington Friends meeting." Not there." -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/496 - Release Date: 10/24/2006

In 1884 the city of Chester was in Delaware County, not Chester County,.....so, you need to be a different county. If it were Chester Co, they you could have checked .... http://dsf.chesco.org/archives/cwp/view.asp?a=3&Q=609990 Sandra "Could someone please tell me where to look for a 1884 death record that took place in the city of Chester. Janet/Janette Strachan was buried 24 April 1884......" -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/496 - Release Date: 10/24/2006