John Miller spent alot of time in Moate! PLEASE don't tell me that "Lurgan" was the little village down the road. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Ferguson" <[email protected]> To: "George Smedley" <[email protected]>; "PaOldChester" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: [PaOldC] Gayen Miller > Futhey and Cope say that Gayen Miller and wife Margaret were some of > the first settlers in Kennet twp, and first bought land in 1702....all > their > children are incluced in the bio, but no mention that Gayen had other > family > in the New World. > John Miller and wife Ann Clibborn had, according to Myers; Wm b1659, > at > Moat; Margaret 1662 at Shurrch d 1668; John b 1665 at Moate; Thomas b 1667 > at Ballynalinch; Abraham 1670, at Glin, co West Meath, and Isaac b 1672, > at > Glin. (I think if Gayen were a member of this family, this would be the > generation he was born into, wouldn't it?...to be the brother of the > Chester > Co John who died in 1714) There are just so many Miller families, it's > hard to get them straight....I'm glad I don't have to figure them out for > my > own research.......! > I looked in Early Court Records, and there is included, a James > Miller, > who was one of several who, in 1698, witnessed the 'unlawful marriage' > of > Benjamin Engram and Jeane Hendrix...., at the home of James Brown, at > Chichester....(they were indicted by the Grand Inquest!!!) This is the > earliest mention of a Miller, in the early court records...pretty > interesting stuff. It'd be interesting to know more, which is often the > problem..you read something fascinating and then NEVER know the end of the > story! > > S. > > > " In 1712 Gayen Miller purchased 700 acres of land in New Garden township. > On > Dec.9 and 10,1723,he purchased 500 acres in East Caln,from Elizabeth > Webb,and on Sept.23,1729,he purchased 500 acres on Pequea Creek, Lancaster > Co.,which he devised to his sons Benjamin and John.In 1714 he was elected > to > the Assembly to fill the vacancy caused by the death of John Miller,of New > Garden,who certainly came from Ireland and has been supposed a brother to > Gayen." > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I did miss where that child was born. At least we know they were there. I actually have considerable detail on that castle. It was an honest to God castle. Had been confiscated from an Irish aristocrat, and given to a Cromwellian soldier, who sold it to John Clibborn at some bargain basement price. Family lived in it for several generations. Eventually they constructed a more seemly house next to it. The Clibborns were actually one of the two truly powerful families in Moate. They did become Quaker, in the 1680's, and founded a Quaker community, which leant an orderly appearance to the town of Moate. According to the web site where I read it. A Lowe collateral line lived in a castle, too. But it was the Lowes who were given land from Irish lords who were more powerful but did not have castles, that you had to watch out for. ;) The Lowe's had fought under Cromwell. Atleast one of them was Anabaptist. They came from Bewdley, Worcestershire, home of the foundation of English anabaptism. After 1700 Catholic clergy used to hide and conduct services at ancient sacred sites and ruined abbeys, in the woods south of Moate, on the land of William Low, the anabaptist. He and his kin would lurk in the woods and kill or arrest them. They were very notorious. God struck one of them blind, he struck another dead, several went mad, and one died less humanly. Now, they lived in a big ol manor house. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Ferguson" <[email protected]> To: "PaOldChester" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [PaOldC] John Miller > As I indicated last posting, John and Ann Miller's first child was born > at Moate, in 1659, but no indication that it was in a castle. That sort > of > thing is so often 'added' by researchers of the 1940s, for example. This > was a time of 'embellishment' to say the least! It would nice to know > where > all our ancestors lived while in Europe, but we generally don't ever find > out. I remember being thrilled when I discovered that the home of our > original Pugh emigrant, was then a B&B...I longed to visit...but, last > time > I looked it was again a private home....RATS! > > S. > > > > ........................" but I'm curious to know if he was living in > southern County Westmeath/ northern Kings County at the time. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In 1712 Gayen Miller purchased 700 acres of land in New Garden township. On Dec.9 and 10,1723,he purchased 500 acres in East Caln,from Elizabeth Webb,and on Sept.23,1729,he purchased 500 acres on Pequea Creek, Lancaster Co.,which he devised to his sons Benjamin and John.In 1714 he was elected to the Assembly to fill the vacancy caused by the death of John Miller,of New Garden,who certainly came from Ireland and has been supposed a brother to Gayen. Full text at #435 Thomazine Valentine (Mary file) at the site below. Visit The George Smedley Homepage http://smedley.lewis.home.att.net

I am looking for names - Jones, Harlan, Meredith, Kirk No one in particular - just any Quaker ancestors who might connect to my family tree. Karen If you haven't already done so see the site below. There are 132 Jones,49 Kirk,47 Meredith and 22 Harlan given names. Visit The George Smedley Homepage http://smedley.lewis.home.att.net

You know, it doesn't pertain to my question, but inquiring minds want to know. When John Miller married Anne Clibborn, I THINK they were living in a castle in Moate, County Westmeath, Ireland, near where my Lowe ancestors lived. The family did own properties elsewhere, and their early whereabouts seem as vague as their origins. Millers seem to have been migratory birds, even for Ireland, so maybe this question is pointless, but I'm curious to know if he was living in southern County Westmeath/ northern Kings County at the time. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Smedley" <[email protected]> To: "PaOldChester" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 7:46 AM Subject: [PaOldC] John Miller > In 1712 Gayen Miller purchased 700 acres of land in New Garden township. > On > Dec.9 and 10,1723,he purchased 500 acres in East Caln,from Elizabeth > Webb,and on Sept.23,1729,he purchased 500 acres on Pequea Creek, Lancaster > Co.,which he devised to his sons Benjamin and John.In 1714 he was elected > to > the Assembly to fill the vacancy caused by the death of John Miller,of New > Garden,who certainly came from Ireland and has been supposed a brother to > Gayen. > > > > Full text at #435 Thomazine Valentine (Mary file) at the site below. > > > > Visit The George Smedley Homepage > http://smedley.lewis.home.att.net > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is a very good book. I may not have noticed the wider coverage because I'm only descended from New Garden Quakers. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Ferguson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 6:03 AM Subject: Fw: [PaOldC] New Garden Quakers > Dora, The book on the Immigration of Irish Quakers into PA 1682-1750 > covers much more than just the Quakers that established the New Garden > meeting.....it is, as the subject says, about ALL the Quakers that came > into the Commonwealth of Pa during the years of 1682 through 1750 and > gives a wonderful 'picture' of so many of our earliest arrivals to Chester > Co, New Garden being only one of the many. It's one of my favorite > books. The New Garden meeting is only one of the early meetings, and not > even the earliest If memory serves the Chester, Cirencester, Concord, > Middletown, Springfield, Providence, Newtown and perhaps others that I'm > forgetting, were established well before the New Garden meeting. > I really think, according to this book, that the Miller that helped > establish the New Garden Meeting, was John, SON of John and Ann Clibborn. > It says that the John who moved to PA was married to a Mary, NOT an Ann. > I'm including his will, below, which clearly shows that his wife is named > Mary, and that she served as his executor....it also include his > children....who are not the same as those included in the Immigration of > the Irish Quakers book......(William, Margatet, John, Thomas, Abraham, > Isaac)....... Also, her will mentions her brother, Andrew Ignews, so it > would seem that her maiden name had been Mary Ignews. > . > MILLER, JOHN. New Garden. Joyner.August 17, 1714/5. December 8, 1714/15, > A. 10.To wife not named 1/3 of real and personal estate. To son Joseph, > the plantation I now live upon containing 300 acres. Paying to son in law > Joseph Hutton £20 and to daughters Martha and Sarah Miller £20 each when > 16. To son James 300 acres of land lying on south side of above mentioned > plantation extending to James Starrs line. To son William, 400 acres of > land with mill, he paying £60 as follows. To daughters Elizabeth, Susanna > and Elinor, £20 each when 16. Executors: wife Mary and son Joseph. > Witnesses: Joel Baily, Gayen Miller, John Wily. > > This is the will of his wife, Mary.....as Myers book indicates John, son > of John and Ann, married a Mary, and he died in 1714, and she in 1730, it > would seem he was right. > MILLER, MARY. Widow. New Garden.May 12, 1730. August 10, 1730. A. 320.To > son William Miller all my real estate lying upon White ClayCreek paying > £80 towards legacies. To son James a colt. Todaughter Martha Jordan £20. > To daughter Susanna Miller £15. To granddaughter Mary Jordan £12 at 18 or > married. To kinsman JohnTos a colt. Remainder to 6 daughters, viz Mary > Hutton, Martha Jordan, Sarah Hutton, Elizabeth Chambers, Susanna Miller > and Elinor Chambers, they paying £30 in my executor's hands to pay the > passage of 3 of my brother Andrew Ignews children coming to this country > provided they come within 2 years of my decease. Executor: son > William.Witnesses: James Miller, Nathl. Richards, Michael Lightfoot. > > > Sandra > > > "There is a comprehensive book on the New Garden Quakers at Ancestry.com; > Immigration of the Irish Quakers to Pennsylvania. > > That will tell you if your ancestors were among them or not. It does take > time to go through the index entries for common names, online. It's a > subscription database, but you need only subscribe for one month. > > Everyone who is descended from teh New Garden Quakers knows who founding > emigrants John Miller and Ann Clibborn were, especially Sandra Ferguson, > but > I need more advanced knowledge about them than that found on p 327, which > is > just one of several tales about William Clibborn's origins and doesn't > give > the documentation that this book usually gives. Usually if the book > claims > that someone was from such and such a place, it tells you how we know > that, > but not in this case. I believe the family were in Moate, Ireland; it's > where they were before that that matters. > > This book doesn't necessarily cover every Quaker in Chester County, nor > every late comer in the area. > > >

Dora, The book on the Immigration of Irish Quakers into PA 1682-1750 covers much more than just the Quakers that established the New Garden meeting.....it is, as the subject says, about ALL the Quakers that came into the Commonwealth of Pa during the years of 1682 through 1750 and gives a wonderful 'picture' of so many of our earliest arrivals to Chester Co, New Garden being only one of the many. It's one of my favorite books. The New Garden meeting is only one of the early meetings, and not even the earliest If memory serves the Chester, Cirencester, Concord, Middletown, Springfield, Providence, Newtown and perhaps others that I'm forgetting, were established well before the New Garden meeting. I really think, according to this book, that the Miller that helped establish the New Garden Meeting, was John, SON of John and Ann Clibborn. It says that the John who moved to PA was married to a Mary, NOT an Ann. I'm including his will, below, which clearly shows that his wife is named Mary, and that she served as his executor....it also include his children....who are not the same as those included in the Immigration of the Irish Quakers book......(William, Margatet, John, Thomas, Abraham, Isaac)....... Also, her will mentions her brother, Andrew Ignews, so it would seem that her maiden name had been Mary Ignews. . MILLER, JOHN. New Garden. Joyner.August 17, 1714/5. December 8, 1714/15, A. 10.To wife not named 1/3 of real and personal estate. To son Joseph, the plantation I now live upon containing 300 acres. Paying to son in law Joseph Hutton £20 and to daughters Martha and Sarah Miller £20 each when 16. To son James 300 acres of land lying on south side of above mentioned plantation extending to James Starrs line. To son William, 400 acres of land with mill, he paying £60 as follows. To daughters Elizabeth, Susanna and Elinor, £20 each when 16. Executors: wife Mary and son Joseph. Witnesses: Joel Baily, Gayen Miller, John Wily. This is the will of his wife, Mary.....as Myers book indicates John, son of John and Ann, married a Mary, and he died in 1714, and she in 1730, it would seem he was right. MILLER, MARY. Widow. New Garden.May 12, 1730. August 10, 1730. A. 320.To son William Miller all my real estate lying upon White ClayCreek paying £80 towards legacies. To son James a colt. Todaughter Martha Jordan £20. To daughter Susanna Miller £15. To granddaughter Mary Jordan £12 at 18 or married. To kinsman JohnTos a colt. Remainder to 6 daughters, viz Mary Hutton, Martha Jordan, Sarah Hutton, Elizabeth Chambers, Susanna Miller and Elinor Chambers, they paying £30 in my executor's hands to pay the passage of 3 of my brother Andrew Ignews children coming to this country provided they come within 2 years of my decease. Executor: son William.Witnesses: James Miller, Nathl. Richards, Michael Lightfoot. Sandra "There is a comprehensive book on the New Garden Quakers at Ancestry.com; Immigration of the Irish Quakers to Pennsylvania. That will tell you if your ancestors were among them or not. It does take time to go through the index entries for common names, online. It's a subscription database, but you need only subscribe for one month. Everyone who is descended from teh New Garden Quakers knows who founding emigrants John Miller and Ann Clibborn were, especially Sandra Ferguson, but I need more advanced knowledge about them than that found on p 327, which is just one of several tales about William Clibborn's origins and doesn't give the documentation that this book usually gives. Usually if the book claims that someone was from such and such a place, it tells you how we know that, but not in this case. I believe the family were in Moate, Ireland; it's where they were before that that matters. This book doesn't necessarily cover every Quaker in Chester County, nor every late comer in the area.

I have the marriage records of the New Garden MM 1704-1799, and will be glad to look any of your folks...however, I'd need some given names to go with the surnames....it would be impossible to include all those with these surnames. Sandra Sandra - Are these records online anywhere for searching? I am looking for names - Jones, Harlan, Meredith, Kirk No one in particular - just any Quaker ancestors who might connect to my family tree.

There are many in the other monthly meeting books, please post some specific names. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:45 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [PaOldC] New Garden Quakers "There are none in the New Garden MM marriage records, which start in 1704" Sandra - Are these records online anywhere for searching? I am looking for names - Jones, Harlan, Meredith, Kirk No one in particular - just any Quaker ancestors who might connect to my family tree. Karen In a message dated 7/16/2009 6:40:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: No one holds anyone to a specific date, but even a century is a help, with trying to figure where to look., so include that, at least..... apparently these people got here around Penn's arrival time? There are no Clibborns in THE HISTORY OF CHESTER COUNTY, by Futhey and Cope....none in early tax lists, etc. There are none in the New Garden MM marriage records, which start in 1704, and there are none included in area wills.....none included in early Court records, up to 1710. IMMIGRATION OF THE IRISH QUAKERS INTO PA, by Myers includes Wm and Ann, but at a much earlier time.... "John Miller born at Breckenbrough, Kerbywilk Parish in Yorkshire, in 1633 married Ann, dau of Wm Clibborn, who was born in 1630, at Cowley, in County Durham, England. Their son, John, emigrated to PA in 1709, and settled in New Garden twp....died in 1714....his widow died in 1730. " Thus, it doesn't appear likely that John and Ann Clibborn emigrated, and you're a generation off with those that helped establish the New Garden meeting..(these were the Miillers, not the Clibborns.) " I know you are descended from those people."...sorry, but I'm not related to Millers or Clibborns. S. " Dates? We're talking about the people who founded the Irish Quaker community in New Garden here, Sandra. And we're talking Miller's to boot. I know you are descended from those people. On top of that, the information on Ann Clibborn's father is so inconsistent it's hard to get you dates. Late 17th century is about the best I can do. She married John Miller, one of the three Miller's who helped found New Garden." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************S T R E T C H your technology dollars with great laptop deals from Dell! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223081712x1201714210/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2 D5) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"There are none in the New Garden MM marriage records, which start in 1704" Sandra - Are these records online anywhere for searching? I am looking for names - Jones, Harlan, Meredith, Kirk No one in particular - just any Quaker ancestors who might connect to my family tree. Karen In a message dated 7/16/2009 6:40:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: No one holds anyone to a specific date, but even a century is a help, with trying to figure where to look., so include that, at least..... apparently these people got here around Penn's arrival time? There are no Clibborns in THE HISTORY OF CHESTER COUNTY, by Futhey and Cope....none in early tax lists, etc. There are none in the New Garden MM marriage records, which start in 1704, and there are none included in area wills.....none included in early Court records, up to 1710. IMMIGRATION OF THE IRISH QUAKERS INTO PA, by Myers includes Wm and Ann, but at a much earlier time.... "John Miller born at Breckenbrough, Kerbywilk Parish in Yorkshire, in 1633 married Ann, dau of Wm Clibborn, who was born in 1630, at Cowley, in County Durham, England. Their son, John, emigrated to PA in 1709, and settled in New Garden twp....died in 1714....his widow died in 1730. " Thus, it doesn't appear likely that John and Ann Clibborn emigrated, and you're a generation off with those that helped establish the New Garden meeting..(these were the Miillers, not the Clibborns.) " I know you are descended from those people."...sorry, but I'm not related to Millers or Clibborns. S. " Dates? We're talking about the people who founded the Irish Quaker community in New Garden here, Sandra. And we're talking Miller's to boot. I know you are descended from those people. On top of that, the information on Ann Clibborn's father is so inconsistent it's hard to get you dates. Late 17th century is about the best I can do. She married John Miller, one of the three Miller's who helped found New Garden." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************S T R E T C H your technology dollars with great laptop deals from Dell! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223081712x1201714210/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2 D5)

No one holds anyone to a specific date, but even a century is a help, with trying to figure where to look., so include that, at least..... apparently these people got here around Penn's arrival time? There are no Clibborns in THE HISTORY OF CHESTER COUNTY, by Futhey and Cope....none in early tax lists, etc. There are none in the New Garden MM marriage records, which start in 1704, and there are none included in area wills.....none included in early Court records, up to 1710. IMMIGRATION OF THE IRISH QUAKERS INTO PA, by Myers includes Wm and Ann, but at a much earlier time.... "John Miller born at Breckenbrough, Kerbywilk Parish in Yorkshire, in 1633 married Ann, dau of Wm Clibborn, who was born in 1630, at Cowley, in County Durham, England. Their son, John, emigrated to PA in 1709, and settled in New Garden twp....died in 1714....his widow died in 1730. " Thus, it doesn't appear likely that John and Ann Clibborn emigrated, and you're a generation off with those that helped establish the New Garden meeting..(these were the Miillers, not the Clibborns.) " I know you are descended from those people."...sorry, but I'm not related to Millers or Clibborns. S. " Dates? We're talking about the people who founded the Irish Quaker community in New Garden here, Sandra. And we're talking Miller's to boot. I know you are descended from those people. On top of that, the information on Ann Clibborn's father is so inconsistent it's hard to get you dates. Late 17th century is about the best I can do. She married John Miller, one of the three Miller's who helped found New Garden."

Please....we need dates.....it's impossible to know where to look without knowing when........all queries must have 3, equally necessary components....1) full name, given and surname 2) geographic location 3) some sort of date. Sandra "................There was this William Clibborn, born in various places in England, married any of several choices, had three or four children. One version has him born at the same time as his daughter, Anne Clibborn who married John Miller and went to New Garden, Pennsylvania. Other versions ahve him as her brother. They owned a castle in Moate, County Westmeath. "

OK. I'm done arguing about it! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Spangrude" <[email protected]> To: "Dora Smith" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Need help with Clibborn pedigree (Miller - New GardenQuakers) > Dear Dora, > I have to admit, as a researcher, I for one am not acquainted with the > Irish Quaker community in New Garden, nor am I acquainted with Millers. > I live in Utah, research names of my ancestors who lived at one time in > Chester County and elsewhere in Pennsylvania, and am also interested in > the history of the area. Dates, for me, would be germane to helping you > out, because with dates, I could look at some of my family records and > see if there are any references to your family names. I did have some > Townsends at different points of the 18th Century who were members of New > Garden (Esther Hoopes married Persifor Frazer Taylor in 1810 in Ohio, and > he was the son of Isaac Taylor and Elizabeth Townsend. Elizabeth > Townsend was born 1748 in Chester, Pa.) Otherwise, as a member of this > list serve, all I could do is google the information you have given; and > I am sure you have already done that. Hope you have good luck in finding > what you are looking for. > Sincerely, Kim Townsend Spangrude > On Jul 16, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Dora Smith wrote: > >> Dates? >> >> We're talking about the people who founded the Irish Quaker community in >> New >> Garden here, Sandra. And we're talking Miller's to boot. I know you >> are >> descended from those people. >> >> On top of that, the information on Ann Clibborn's father is so >> inconsistent >> it's hard to get you dates. Late 17th century is about the best I can >> do. >> She married John Miller, one of the three Miller's who helped found New >> Garden. >> >> Yours, >> Dora Smith >> Austin, TX >> [email protected] >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sandra Ferguson" <[email protected]> >> To: "Dora Smith" <[email protected]>; <pa-old- [email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Need help with Clibborn pedigree (Miller - New >> GardenQuakers) >> >> >>> Please....we need dates.....it's impossible to know where to look >>> without >>> knowing when........all queries must have 3, equally necessary >>> components....1) full name, given and surname 2) geographic location >>> 3) >>> some sort of date. >>> >>> Sandra >>> "................There was this William Clibborn, born in various >>> places >>> in England, married any of several choices, had three or four children. >>> One version has him born at the same time as his daughter, Anne >>> Clibborn >>> who married John Miller and went to New Garden, Pennsylvania. Other >>> versions ahve him as her brother. They owned a castle in Moate, >>> County >>> Westmeath. " >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dates? We're talking about the people who founded the Irish Quaker community in New Garden here, Sandra. And we're talking Miller's to boot. I know you are descended from those people. On top of that, the information on Ann Clibborn's father is so inconsistent it's hard to get you dates. Late 17th century is about the best I can do. She married John Miller, one of the three Miller's who helped found New Garden. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Ferguson" <[email protected]> To: "Dora Smith" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Need help with Clibborn pedigree (Miller - New GardenQuakers) > Please....we need dates.....it's impossible to know where to look without > knowing when........all queries must have 3, equally necessary > components....1) full name, given and surname 2) geographic location 3) > some sort of date. > > Sandra > "................There was this William Clibborn, born in various places > in England, married any of several choices, had three or four children. > One version has him born at the same time as his daughter, Anne Clibborn > who married John Miller and went to New Garden, Pennsylvania. Other > versions ahve him as her brother. They owned a castle in Moate, County > Westmeath. " >

Dear Dora, I have to admit, as a researcher, I for one am not acquainted with the Irish Quaker community in New Garden, nor am I acquainted with Millers. I live in Utah, research names of my ancestors who lived at one time in Chester County and elsewhere in Pennsylvania, and am also interested in the history of the area. Dates, for me, would be germane to helping you out, because with dates, I could look at some of my family records and see if there are any references to your family names. I did have some Townsends at different points of the 18th Century who were members of New Garden (Esther Hoopes married Persifor Frazer Taylor in 1810 in Ohio, and he was the son of Isaac Taylor and Elizabeth Townsend. Elizabeth Townsend was born 1748 in Chester, Pa.) Otherwise, as a member of this list serve, all I could do is google the information you have given; and I am sure you have already done that. Hope you have good luck in finding what you are looking for. Sincerely, Kim Townsend Spangrude On Jul 16, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Dora Smith wrote: > Dates? > > We're talking about the people who founded the Irish Quaker > community in New > Garden here, Sandra. And we're talking Miller's to boot. I know > you are > descended from those people. > > On top of that, the information on Ann Clibborn's father is so > inconsistent > it's hard to get you dates. Late 17th century is about the best I > can do. > She married John Miller, one of the three Miller's who helped found > New > Garden. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > [email protected] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sandra Ferguson" <[email protected]> > To: "Dora Smith" <[email protected]>; <pa-old- > [email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:13 PM > Subject: Re: [PaOldC] Need help with Clibborn pedigree (Miller - New > GardenQuakers) > > >> Please....we need dates.....it's impossible to know where to look >> without >> knowing when........all queries must have 3, equally necessary >> components....1) full name, given and surname 2) geographic >> location 3) >> some sort of date. >> >> Sandra >> "................There was this William Clibborn, born in various >> places >> in England, married any of several choices, had three or four >> children. >> One version has him born at the same time as his daughter, Anne >> Clibborn >> who married John Miller and went to New Garden, Pennsylvania. Other >> versions ahve him as her brother. They owned a castle in Moate, >> County >> Westmeath. " >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Get ready for this, I'm working on my 3x great grandfather who by pure coincidence lived in the same town, or a town or two over, from some Miller ancestors of New Garden Pennsylvania, ancestors of my father. But I'm not getting consistent information online. There was this William Clibborn, born in various places in England, married any of several choices, had three or four children. One version has him born at the same time as his daughter, Anne Clibborn who married John Miller and went to New Garden, Pennsylvania. Other versions ahve him as her brother. They owned a castle in Moate, County Westmeath. Can anyone help me out with who were really the parents of Anne Clibborn, and where they were really from, and who were really their children? Thanks! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected]

CURLE, JAMES. West Nottingham. December 14, 1770. September 25, 1772. To brother John Curle watch and silver shoe buckles. To brother-in-law James Lynn buckskin breeches. To sister's daughter Martha McEwen my Bible. To sister's son James Reed my wearing fur. To sister Jenet silver sleeve buttons. To brother-in-law Alex. McElhatten my buckskin gloves. To sister's son Joseph Reed pocket book. Remainder to be divided into 3 shares to wife Margery and sons John and James with reserve to my sisters Sarah and Mary. Executors: Friends John Reed and Wm. Haines. Wit: Job Haines, Thos. Coulson, Jr.

I just came upon this site of Exeter mm info........there was always a lot of 'crossover' between counties, and thought this might be a help. S. http://www1.iwvisp.com/bobkeyes/Source%20Documents/Society%20of%20Friends,%20Exeter%20MM.htm

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"Yesterday the 4th of July, being the Anniversary of the Independence of the United States of America, was celebrated in this city with demonstration of joy and festivity. About noon all the armed ships and gallies in the river were drawn up before the city, dressed in the gayest manner, with the colours of the United States and streamers displayed. At one o'clock, the yards being properly manned, they began the celebration of the day by a discharge of thirteen cannon from each of the ships, and one from each of the thirteen gallies, in honour of the Thirteen United States. In the afternoon an elegant dinner was prepared for Congress, to which were invited the President and Supreme Executive Council, and Speaker of the Assembly of this State, the General Officers and Colonels of the army, and strangers of eminence, and the members of the several Continental Boards in town. The Hessian band of music taken in Trenton the 26th of December last, attended and heightened the festivity with some fine performances suited to the joyous occasion, while a corps of British deserters, taken into the service of the continent by the State of Georgia, being drawn up before the door, filled up the intervals with feux de joie. After dinner a number of toasts were drank, all breaking independence, and a generous love of liberty, and commemorating the memories of those brave and worthy patriots who gallantly exposed their lives, and fell gloriously in defence [sic] of freedom and the righteous cause of their country. Each toasts was followed by a discharge of artillery and small arms, and a suitable piece of music by the Hessian band. The glorious fourth of July was reiterated three times accompanied with triple discharges of cannon and small arms, and loud huzzas that resounded from street to street through the city. Towards evening several troops of horse, a corps of artillery, and a brigade of North Carolina forces, which was in town on its way to join the grand army, were drawn up in Second street and reviewed by Congress and the General Officers. The evening was closed with the ringing of bells, and at night there was a grand exhibition of fireworks, which began and concluded with thirteen rockets on the commons, and the city was beautifully illuminated. Every thing was conducted with the greatest order and decorum, and the face of joy and gladness was universal. Thus may the 4th of July, that glorious and ever memorable day, be celebrated through America, by the sons of freedom, from age to age till time shall be no more. Amen, and amen." from the Virginia Gazette