I found a good book about the Quakers in Ireland - Six Generations of Friends in Ireland, at Google Books. It discusses in some detail why Quakers were moving around so much in Ireland. Two key actors in the book are named Wilson. I imagine they're more than likley the ancestors of the Wilson's of London Grove and New Garden. Somehow I never traced them back further than the father of Ephraim Wilson; John Wilson of London Grove, who married Elizabeth Jackson of New Garden in 1741. Rootsweb World Connect can't trace him, which is odd. A Wilson family played a prominent part in Quaker history in Ireland. But Immigration of the Irish Quakers into Pennsylvania just has assorted Wilson scraps, mostly reports of assorted Wilsons from various parts of Ireland received at New Garden. Maybe John Wilson who was received at New Garden in 1735 from Limerick married Elizabeth Jackson in 1741 at New Garden, but nothing I have places him in London Grovein 1741. Anyone know who he was? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] message

James Miller, wife May (received 4 m, 4. 1709), and children from Grange near Charlemont, in 1709. ( This is in the Kennett MM records.) Early Quaker emigrants were first members of the Kennett meeting, before being allowed to hold their own meetings around 1712. Thus, early New Garden folks would be found in Kennett meeting records before this date. I don't know if the Grange records are extant, but that would be where to look for the Millers, before emigrating to PA. If anyone knows, or finds out anything of these records, please let us know. The info is also found in the book POTTS, OUR FAMILY ANCESTORS.... there appears to be more on the John and Mary Miller family in this book, so it might be worthwhile for anyone interested in the family to see if they could ran it down. It was printed in 1895, at Canonsburg, Pa, and written by Thomas Maxwell Potts. S. I also found the following, in IMMIGRATION OF THE IRISH QUAKERS, which is really confusing; "His sister Rachel Fred [speaking of Benjamin Fred], married 4 mo 20, 1721, James Miller, son of Gayen, of Kennett, and after his death married James Miller, son of James and Catharine".....geez...Rachel Fred married TWO (2) James Millers? She sure wouldn't have had to change the monograms on her towels, or stationary....lol.

I love the way teh Irish give directions. "Grange near Charlemont". Place names aren't given like they have meaning. My three times great grandfather was only a little less vague - stuff like "Tyrellis Pass" somewhere in Leinster. Grange MM County Tyrone, (Northern) Ireland, near the village of Charlemont. Grange is located in the civil parish of Clonfeacle, county Tyrone. It is also known as Grange near Charlemont and Upper Grange. Charlemont is across the border in county Armagh, civil parish of Loughgall. The Grange Monthly meeting had extensive membership residing in county Armagh. For photos, history and more on Grange MM, see: "An Historical Sketch of Grange Meeting" http://www.bob-sinton.com/grange/cover.php Boy, that's at the far end of Ireland! I wonder what brought John Miller to a rural place near Dublin? Unfortunately most Quaker records are bare bones. It's rare for a family to write an entire story nito the records the way one of the Thompson brothers did when he got to West New Jersey. One thing about the author of Irish Quaker Immigrants to Pennsylvania; he was thorough, and if the records were there, he told us what they said. Since he says little about the Clibborns' origins, I imagine he was just passing on a report for what it was worth. I think he pretty much outright says that the Millers were roving animals who are hard to trace. He gives records when he has them. Atleast two of the three emigrant Miller's have been proven by Y DNA to have been related. The Clibborn's and the Clibborn's of Yorkshire have been proven by Y DNA to have not been related, strenghthening the case for thinking they came from Durham. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Ferguson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:27 AM Subject: [PaOldC] John and Mary Miller > James Miller, wife May (received 4 m, 4. 1709), and children from Grange > near Charlemont, in 1709. ( This is in the Kennett MM records.) Early > Quaker emigrants were first members of the Kennett meeting, before being > allowed to hold their own meetings around 1712. Thus, early New Garden > folks would be found in Kennett meeting records before this date. I don't > know if the Grange records are extant, but that would be where to look for > the Millers, before emigrating to PA. If anyone knows, or finds out > anything of these records, please let us know. > The info is also found in the book POTTS, OUR FAMILY ANCESTORS.... there > appears to be more on the John and Mary Miller family in this book, so it > might be worthwhile for anyone interested in the family to see if they > could > ran it down. It was printed in 1895, at Canonsburg, Pa, and written by > Thomas Maxwell Potts. > > S. > > > I also found the following, in IMMIGRATION OF THE IRISH QUAKERS, which is > really confusing; > "His sister Rachel Fred [speaking of Benjamin Fred], married 4 mo 20, > 1721, > James Miller, son of Gayen, of Kennett, and after his death married James > Miller, son of James and Catharine".....geez...Rachel Fred married TWO (2) > James Millers? She sure wouldn't have had to change the monograms on her > towels, or stationary....lol. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I ran across the info that Gayen Miller is "thought to have been a relative of John Miller", son of John and Ann Clibborn, and who was an early member of the NewGarden meeting.....here is his will, in which he mentions 'my cousin James Miller", probably the son of John Miller of New Garden." (Myers) S. MILLER, GAYEN. Kennett, yeoman.March 31, 1742. August 31, 1742. B. 114.To son William £5. To 4 sons, viz Robert, Patrick, Samuel andBenjamin £5 each. To my 2 daughters, viz Sarah wife of Joshua Johnson and Elizabeth wife of Joseph Dickinson £5 each. To son James 4 children, viz Sarah, Deborah, James and Jesse 10 shillings each. To daughter Mary's 3 children, viz, Saml., James and Mary 10 shillings each. To son Benjamin part of a tract of land by Pequea Creek in Lancaster Co now in his possession. To son John the remainder of said tract, estimated to be 250 acres. To son Josephs widow Jane Miller and her 2 children, Samuel and Rebecca £6. To son George 1/2 of plantation where I dwell and the other 1/2 at wifes decease. To wife Margaret all remainder of estate real and personal. Executors: wife Margaret, son William and cousin Jas. Miller. Witnesses: Rachel Miller, George Miller, David Bradford.

WHANN, JOHN. Chester Co.January 30, 1792. March 31, 1792.To son William a £60 bond I hold against him. To sons Thomas and John all my lands to be equally divided. To daughter Margaret Barret 20 shillings. To daughters Mary Ross, Jane Miller, Martha Love and Ann Miller 20 shillings each. To daughter Susanna McCommons £5, etc. To daughter Sarah Whann £40, etc. Executors: Edward Weir, sons Thomas and John. Letters to sons, the other renouncing.Wit: Robert Scott Fetterington, William Singleton, Mordecai Cox.

In case you don't have it. here is John Whann's will... (note, though, that according to probate dates he couldn't have died in Nov. of 1792.....his will went through probate in March of that year, so he was dead 8 or 9 months earlier than Nov..) S. WHANN, JOHN. Chester Co.January 30, 1792. March 31, 1792.To son William a £60 bond I hold against him. To sons Thomas and John all my lands to be equally divided. To daughter Margaret Barret 20 shillings. To daughters Mary Ross, Jane Miller, Martha Love and Ann Miller 20 shillings each. To daughter Susanna McCommons £5, etc. To daughter Sarah Whann £40, etc. Executors: Edward Weir, sons Thomas and John. Letters to sons, the other renouncing.Wit: Robert Scott Fetterington, William Singleton, Mordecai Cox. " My John Whann who died in Strickersville, Chester Co. 20 Nov 1792 ...,."

If you can connect John and Gayen Miller we will share Warwick Castle ..... Best Wishes Mercy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dora Smith" <[email protected]> To: "Mercy Ramsey" <[email protected]>; "Sandra Ferguson" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Cc: "charles essig" <[email protected]>; "christy laurendeau" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [PaOldC] John and Mary Miller > That is creative! > > Mercy, you have just outdone all of my ancestors! > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > [email protected] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mercy Ramsey" <[email protected]> > To: "Sandra Ferguson" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Cc: "charles essig" <[email protected]>; "christy laurendeau" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 1:09 AM > Subject: Re: [PaOldC] John and Mary Miller > > >> Good Morning all....A few reminisinces from our family tree. >> >> I am Mercy Essig Ramsey, Granddaughter of Charles Francis Huston Miller >> who >> was born in Chester Co. PA. CFHM was a direct descendant of Gayen Miller >> of >> New Garden Twp, Chester Co, PA. >> >> Our "Millers" are presumed to have descended from the "Hermit of >> Warwick". >> >> The hermit was husband to the Earl of Warwick's daughter. As said earl >> had >> no living sons he willed that his son-in-law, Guy inherit the title. Guy >> wearied of castle life and left preferring to reside in an abandoned mill >> adjacent to the river. It's said that subsequent generations of "Millers" >> always named a son "Gayen or Warwick" in tribute to their famous >> ancestor. >> >> When Guy left the Warwick Castle to live in a mill, he became locally as >> "The Miller". >> >> I do NOT know when the family became officially Miller or emigrated, as >> Quakers, to Ireland. >> >> More about our line of Millers....... >> >> Back during the reign of Edward III, he and a mistress "Anne" were >> parents >> to an early forefather. Don't know if the name "Miller" ever entered into >> said liaison. >> >> Mother, Adair Miller Essig Curtiss, and I hope this clears up a few >> nuances. >> Mercy >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sandra Ferguson" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 6:27 AM >> Subject: [PaOldC] John and Mary Miller >> >> >>> James Miller, wife May (received 4 m, 4. 1709), and children from >>> Grange >>> near Charlemont, in 1709. ( This is in the Kennett MM records.) Early >>> Quaker emigrants were first members of the Kennett meeting, before being >>> allowed to hold their own meetings around 1712. Thus, early New Garden >>> folks would be found in Kennett meeting records before this date. I >>> don't >>> know if the Grange records are extant, but that would be where to look >>> for >>> the Millers, before emigrating to PA. If anyone knows, or finds out >>> anything of these records, please let us know. >>> The info is also found in the book POTTS, OUR FAMILY ANCESTORS.... >>> there >>> appears to be more on the John and Mary Miller family in this book, so >>> it >>> might be worthwhile for anyone interested in the family to see if they >>> could >>> ran it down. It was printed in 1895, at Canonsburg, Pa, and written by >>> Thomas Maxwell Potts. >>> >>> S. >>> >>> >>> I also found the following, in IMMIGRATION OF THE IRISH QUAKERS, which >>> is >>> really confusing; >>> "His sister Rachel Fred [speaking of Benjamin Fred], married 4 mo 20, >>> 1721, >>> James Miller, son of Gayen, of Kennett, and after his death married >>> James >>> Miller, son of James and Catharine".....geez...Rachel Fred married TWO >>> (2) >>> James Millers? She sure wouldn't have had to change the monograms on >>> her >>> towels, or stationary....lol. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Morning all....A few reminisinces from our family tree. I am Mercy Essig Ramsey, Granddaughter of Charles Francis Huston Miller who was born in Chester Co. PA. CFHM was a direct descendant of Gayen Miller of New Garden Twp, Chester Co, PA. Our "Millers" are presumed to have descended from the "Hermit of Warwick". The hermit was husband to the Earl of Warwick's daughter. As said earl had no living sons he willed that his son-in-law, Guy inherit the title. Guy wearied of castle life and left preferring to reside in an abandoned mill adjacent to the river. It's said that subsequent generations of "Millers" always named a son "Gayen or Warwick" in tribute to their famous ancestor. When Guy left the Warwick Castle to live in a mill, he became locally as "The Miller". I do NOT know when the family became officially Miller or emigrated, as Quakers, to Ireland. More about our line of Millers....... Back during the reign of Edward III, he and a mistress "Anne" were parents to an early forefather. Don't know if the name "Miller" ever entered into said liaison. Mother, Adair Miller Essig Curtiss, and I hope this clears up a few nuances. Mercy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Ferguson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 6:27 AM Subject: [PaOldC] John and Mary Miller > James Miller, wife May (received 4 m, 4. 1709), and children from Grange > near Charlemont, in 1709. ( This is in the Kennett MM records.) Early > Quaker emigrants were first members of the Kennett meeting, before being > allowed to hold their own meetings around 1712. Thus, early New Garden > folks would be found in Kennett meeting records before this date. I don't > know if the Grange records are extant, but that would be where to look for > the Millers, before emigrating to PA. If anyone knows, or finds out > anything of these records, please let us know. > The info is also found in the book POTTS, OUR FAMILY ANCESTORS.... there > appears to be more on the John and Mary Miller family in this book, so it > might be worthwhile for anyone interested in the family to see if they > could > ran it down. It was printed in 1895, at Canonsburg, Pa, and written by > Thomas Maxwell Potts. > > S. > > > I also found the following, in IMMIGRATION OF THE IRISH QUAKERS, which is > really confusing; > "His sister Rachel Fred [speaking of Benjamin Fred], married 4 mo 20, > 1721, > James Miller, son of Gayen, of Kennett, and after his death married James > Miller, son of James and Catharine".....geez...Rachel Fred married TWO (2) > James Millers? She sure wouldn't have had to change the monograms on her > towels, or stationary....lol. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My John Whann who died in Strickersville, Chester Co. 20 Nov 1792 had two daughters who married into the Miller family. Jane b. 1754 married ____Miller, I have she is buried in Head of Christiana Church Cemetery Newark, De. That would be White Clay Creek area. Also Ann married ____Miller but I don't have anything about her. Mary in Alabama

I am cleaning out my inbox today and deleting the below message on the Chapman family in in Newberry County. By chance the Old Chester County in PA mail list is chatting about a Chapman family this weekend....so I am passing this along in case someone recognizes James ancestors to the Pa-old-chester list....and for James I am passing along the information that he might look in the archives to see if there could be possible hints for him. May be unrelated Chapmans....but you just never know when there will be something that will jump out at someone. Marsha Moses On May 6, 2009, at 9:46 AM, James Chapman wrote: > I have an interest in Marmaduke Coate because he signed as a witness > to a > Giles Chapman deed record. Giles and Sarah (Jackson) Chapman had > three > daughters: Elizabeth, Rachel, and Sarah. Marriages have not been > documented for any of these women. Coate, Teague, Martin, Summers, > and > Miles are among the surnames I wonder about. > > Their son Joseph is my branch of the family. We think Joseph married > Catherine Anderson first and know that his second marriage was to > Penelope > (last name unknown, but some researchers say Summers). > > My lineage continues through Joseph's son David. I believe David was > married twice. His first wife (if there was one) is unknown. His > second > wife was Elizabeth (last name unknown). She is buried at the > Cokesbury > Methodist Church Cemetery in Hart County, Georgia. > > Any help in identifying the spouses of these Chapmans will be greatly > appreciated. > > Too bad South Carolina didn't record marriages back then!!!! And--- > that > Chapmans, as a general rule, saw no need for tombstones. > > James Chapman > -.....

Be sure to find some sort of documentation for this line, as there are ssmajor discrepancies between what you list and IMMIGRATION OF THE IRISH QUAKERS INTO PA 1682-1750, by Myers, generally speaking, a very reliable researcher; John Miller 1633 m Ann Clibborn, b 1630...had the following children; Wm b1659, at Moat; Margaret 1662 at Shurrch d 1668; John b 1665 at Moate; Thomas b 1667 at Ballynalinch; Abraham 1670, at Glin, co West Meath, Isaac b 1672, at Glin. John Miller m Mary Ignews (an assumption on the surname, from the mention of her brothers in her will) emigrated to Chester Co, helped establish the London Grove meeting, and died in 1714.... according to his willhe had no son named Gayen, as witness his naming of his children in the will....nor did his wife, Mary, in her will ..both are included, and that seems fairly good proof to me that John and Mary Miller had no son named Gayen. S. MILLER, JOHN. New Garden. Joyner.August 17, 1714/5. December 8, 1714/15, A. 10.To wife not named 1/3 of real and personal estate. To son Joseph, the plantation I now live upon containing 300 acres. Paying to son in law Joseph Hutton £20 and to daughters Martha and Sarah Miller £20 each when 16. To son James 300 acres of land lying on south side of above mentioned plantation extending to James Starrs line. To son William, 400 acres of land with mill, he paying £60 as follows. To daughters Elizabeth, Susanna and Elinor, £20 each when 16. Executors: wife Mary and son Joseph. Witnesses: Joel Baily, Gayen Miller, John Wily. MILLER, MARY. Widow. New Garden.May 12, 1730. August 10, 1730. A. 320.To son William Miller all my real estate lying upon White ClayCreek paying £80 towards legacies. To son James a colt. Todaughter Martha Jordan £20. To daughter Susanna Miller £15. To granddaughter Mary Jordan £12 at 18 or married. To kinsman JohnTos a colt. Remainder to 6 daughters, viz Mary Hutton, Martha Jordan, Sarah Hutton, Elizabeth Chambers, Susanna Miller and Elinor Chambers, they paying £30 in my executor's hands to pay the passage of 3 of my brother Andrew Ignews children coming to this countr provided they come within 2 years of my decease. Executor: son William.Witnesses: James Miller, Nathl. Richards, Michael Lightfoot. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Wilson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [PaOldC] John Miller Descendancy from Yorkshire to PA Here's how I have it in my own believed-to-be Miller ancestral line: A. John Miller (b. ca. 1600) in Yorkshire B. John Miller (b. 1633), Yorkshire m. Ann Clibborn (b. abt. 1633) C. Gayen Miller (b. 1664), m. Margaret Henderson !1667-1744) in PA D. James Miller (1696-1732) m. Rachel Ffred (1698-1748) E. Sarah Miller (1723-1761) (She marries John Jackson (1712-1791), son of Isaac of Harmony Grove) F. John Jackson II (1746-1795) m. Susannah Jackson (1743-1???) (This Susannah is a daughter of Susannah Miller !1712-1767) from Charlemont, Armagh IR,daughter of a John Miller and Mary Ignew) ........ Down the ages from there, G. Thomas Jackson (1788-18??), born in Canada in 1788, but his birth is also registered at New Garden MM. He marries ???? in about 1812 H. John C. Jackson, (abt. 1815-1896), my known and documented maternal greatgrandfather, is born in Chester County, PA. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.19/2244 - Release Date: 07/17/09 18:00:00

I looked it up, and Catholics were "resettled in counties Clare, Galway, Mayo and Roscommon. This was by far the poorest land in Ireland ."..and, it was ALL Irish Catholics, lord and lackey alike. S. " Interesting - where'd he move them to?"

  Here's how I have it in my own believed-to-be Miller ancestral line:   A.  John Miller (b. ca. 1600) in Yorkshire B.  John  Miller (b. 1633), Yorkshire m. Ann Clibborn (b. abt. 1633) C.  Gayen Miller (b. 1664), m. Margaret Henderson !1667-1744) in PA D.  James Miller (1696-1732) m. Rachel Ffred (1698-1748) E.  Sarah Miller (1723-1761) (She marries John Jackson (1712-1791), son of Isaac of Harmony Grove) F.  John Jackson II (1746-1795) m. Susannah Jackson (1743-1???) (This Susannah is a daughter of Susannah Miller !1712-1767) from Charlemont, Armagh IR,daughter of a John Miller and Mary Ignew) ........ Down the ages from there, G. Thomas Jackson (1788-18??), born in Canada in 1788, but his birth is also registered at New Garden MM. He marries ???? in about 1812 H. John C. Jackson, (abt. 1815-1896), my known and documented maternal greatgrandfather, is born in Chester County, PA.      

I don't know if this ever got through the first time or no -----Original Message----- From: George Smedley [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 8:32 AM To: PaOldChester ([email protected]) Subject: Jones etc I am looking for names - Jones, Harlan, Meredith, Kirk No one in particular - just any Quaker ancestors who might connect to my family tree. Karen If you haven't already done so see the site below. There are 132 Jones,49 Kirk,47 Meredith and 22 Harlan given names. Visit The George Smedley Homepage http://smedley.lewis.home.att.net

The Cromwellian aspects of Irish history were turbulent, to say the least, but sure interesting. After the Roundheads took power in England, Cromwell brought thousands of his troops to 'put down' the growing dissatisfaction of the Irish Catholics, concerning their treatment. He killed a good many, and then moved thousands more from Munster and Leinster and gave the land to his soldiers....this was called the Cromwell Settlement, if memory serves. This took care of his biggest problem which was how to pay off the soldiers for their service, but also allowed him to make life even more difficult for the Catholic population, who were then no longer allowed to own more than 1/2 acre.. Interestingly, the land they were given was not allowed to be closer than 1 mile from the coast. When Charles came into power, things were somewhat better for the Catholics, but he didn't do anything about the land confiscations under Cromwell! A tough time to be a Catholic, in Ireland! This all took place late in the 1650s, about 20 years before the Clibborns apparently became Quakers. S. " I actually have considerable detail on that castle. It was an honest to God castle. Had been confiscated from an Irish aristocrat, and given to a Cromwellian soldier, who sold it to John Clibborn at some bargain basement price. Family lived in it for several generations. Eventually they constructed a more seemly house next to it. The Clibborns were actually one of the two truly powerful families in Moate. They did become Quaker, in the 1680's, and founded a Quaker community, which leant an orderly appearance to the town of Moate. According to the web site where I read " it.

As I indicated last posting, John and Ann Miller's first child was born at Moate, in 1659, but no indication that it was in a castle. That sort of thing is so often 'added' by researchers of the 1940s, for example. This was a time of 'embellishment' to say the least! It would nice to know where all our ancestors lived while in Europe, but we generally don't ever find out. I remember being thrilled when I discovered that the home of our original Pugh emigrant, was then a B&B...I longed to visit...but, last time I looked it was again a private home....RATS! S. ........................" but I'm curious to know if he was living in southern County Westmeath/ northern Kings County at the time.

http://www.buildingsofireland.ie/niah/search.jsp?type=record&county=WM&regno=15317049 OK, here is another part of what's confusing. It looks as if William did not acquire teh castle; John, his son, brother to Anne Clibborn who married John Miller, acquired the castle. John was born in 1623, and bought the castle in 1659. So now we don't know who lived there OR where they came from. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dora Smith" <[email protected]> To: "Dora Smith" <[email protected]>; "George Smedley" <[email protected]>; "PaOldChester" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [PaOldC] John Miller > Oh, I see what created doubt. I know for a fact that William Clibborn > lived in the castle. Just not if Anne lived there when she married John > Miller, though it begins to sound that way. > > I think that William Clibborn owned land in atleast one other place where > John and Anne had a child born, in between living at Moate, and living at > Moate. And here I thought they were randomely wandering around Ireland. > > I wonder if John Miller also lived in the castle! It was big enough for > the next generation to live there! But not every Quaker in the village > lived at the castle. I understand that the community was strictly > disciplined, and that this shaped the physical character of the village. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > [email protected] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dora Smith" <[email protected]> > To: "George Smedley" <[email protected]>; "PaOldChester" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 8:04 AM > Subject: Re: [PaOldC] John Miller > > >> You know, it doesn't pertain to my question, but inquiring minds want to >> know. >> >> When John Miller married Anne Clibborn, I THINK they were living in a >> castle >> in Moate, County Westmeath, Ireland, near where my Lowe ancestors lived. >> The family did own properties elsewhere, and their early whereabouts seem >> as >> vague as their origins. >> >> Millers seem to have been migratory birds, even for Ireland, so maybe >> this >> question is pointless, but I'm curious to know if he was living in >> southern >> County Westmeath/ northern Kings County at the time. >> >> Yours, >> Dora Smith >> Austin, TX >> [email protected] >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "George Smedley" <[email protected]> >> To: "PaOldChester" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 7:46 AM >> Subject: [PaOldC] John Miller >> >> >>> In 1712 Gayen Miller purchased 700 acres of land in New Garden township. >>> On >>> Dec.9 and 10,1723,he purchased 500 acres in East Caln,from Elizabeth >>> Webb,and on Sept.23,1729,he purchased 500 acres on Pequea Creek, >>> Lancaster >>> Co.,which he devised to his sons Benjamin and John.In 1714 he was >>> elected >>> to >>> the Assembly to fill the vacancy caused by the death of John Miller,of >>> New >>> Garden,who certainly came from Ireland and has been supposed a brother >>> to >>> Gayen. >>> >>> >>> >>> Full text at #435 Thomazine Valentine (Mary file) at the site below. >>> >>> >>> >>> Visit The George Smedley Homepage >>> http://smedley.lewis.home.att.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Futhey and Cope say that Gayen Miller and wife Margaret were some of the first settlers in Kennet twp, and first bought land in 1702....all their children are incluced in the bio, but no mention that Gayen had other family in the New World. John Miller and wife Ann Clibborn had, according to Myers; Wm b1659, at Moat; Margaret 1662 at Shurrch d 1668; John b 1665 at Moate; Thomas b 1667 at Ballynalinch; Abraham 1670, at Glin, co West Meath, and Isaac b 1672, at Glin. (I think if Gayen were a member of this family, this would be the generation he was born into, wouldn't it?...to be the brother of the Chester Co John who died in 1714) There are just so many Miller families, it's hard to get them straight....I'm glad I don't have to figure them out for my own research.......! I looked in Early Court Records, and there is included, a James Miller, who was one of several who, in 1698, witnessed the 'unlawful marriage' of Benjamin Engram and Jeane Hendrix...., at the home of James Brown, at Chichester....(they were indicted by the Grand Inquest!!!) This is the earliest mention of a Miller, in the early court records...pretty interesting stuff. It'd be interesting to know more, which is often the problem..you read something fascinating and then NEVER know the end of the story! S. " In 1712 Gayen Miller purchased 700 acres of land in New Garden township. On Dec.9 and 10,1723,he purchased 500 acres in East Caln,from Elizabeth Webb,and on Sept.23,1729,he purchased 500 acres on Pequea Creek, Lancaster Co.,which he devised to his sons Benjamin and John.In 1714 he was elected to the Assembly to fill the vacancy caused by the death of John Miller,of New Garden,who certainly came from Ireland and has been supposed a brother to Gayen."

Oh, I see what created doubt. I know for a fact that William Clibborn lived in the castle. Just not if Anne lived there when she married John Miller, though it begins to sound that way. I think that William Clibborn owned land in atleast one other place where John and Anne had a child born, in between living at Moate, and living at Moate. And here I thought they were randomely wandering around Ireland. I wonder if John Miller also lived in the castle! It was big enough for the next generation to live there! But not every Quaker in the village lived at the castle. I understand that the community was strictly disciplined, and that this shaped the physical character of the village. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dora Smith" <[email protected]> To: "George Smedley" <[email protected]>; "PaOldChester" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [PaOldC] John Miller > You know, it doesn't pertain to my question, but inquiring minds want to > know. > > When John Miller married Anne Clibborn, I THINK they were living in a > castle > in Moate, County Westmeath, Ireland, near where my Lowe ancestors lived. > The family did own properties elsewhere, and their early whereabouts seem > as > vague as their origins. > > Millers seem to have been migratory birds, even for Ireland, so maybe this > question is pointless, but I'm curious to know if he was living in > southern > County Westmeath/ northern Kings County at the time. > > Yours, > Dora Smith > Austin, TX > [email protected] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Smedley" <[email protected]> > To: "PaOldChester" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 7:46 AM > Subject: [PaOldC] John Miller > > >> In 1712 Gayen Miller purchased 700 acres of land in New Garden township. >> On >> Dec.9 and 10,1723,he purchased 500 acres in East Caln,from Elizabeth >> Webb,and on Sept.23,1729,he purchased 500 acres on Pequea Creek, >> Lancaster >> Co.,which he devised to his sons Benjamin and John.In 1714 he was elected >> to >> the Assembly to fill the vacancy caused by the death of John Miller,of >> New >> Garden,who certainly came from Ireland and has been supposed a brother to >> Gayen. >> >> >> >> Full text at #435 Thomazine Valentine (Mary file) at the site below. >> >> >> >> Visit The George Smedley Homepage >> http://smedley.lewis.home.att.net >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ann Farlo attended the marriage of Wm Downing, widower, to Margt. Miller, widdow of Saml Miller.... Newgarden meeting 19, 12m, 1765.