An old long-lost family document (since 1900 or so) evidently showed that an ancestor was born in "Chester, Chester County, Pa." in 1797, years after the City of Chester was actually located in the newer Delaware County. Perhaps it should have read "Chichester", which was the old name for West Chester, in Chester County. However, even this data is not correct. In 19th Century Censuses of Illinois, Michigan and New York State, this man acknowledges Pennsylvania as his place of birth, but consistently claims having been born closer to the year 1815  

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Velma Gap is a small community of about 1600 people located in Salisbury twp., Lancaster County, PA. W. Penn owned about 200 acres there at one time. Gap is on U.S. route 30, ( The Lincoln Highway). In PA. It runs from Philadelphia thru Lancaster and was an early migration route for those heading west from Phila/Germantown. "Gap" is named after the gap in the Appalachian Mountains. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:05:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [PaOldC] PA-OLD-CHESTER Digest, Vol 4, Issue 217 Hi Ginny, WOW! Thanks for your excellent answer to my questions. I am printing it out and will carry it with me when I do research on these families. Your answers certainly did clear up a lot of my confusion about the counties and townships. I have seen the maps on line that have additions of counties but there really is not a point of reference. You gave me those points. For example the Slaymakers are from Lancaster County. The London Lands would be in that county, The problem here would be that Mathias Slaymaker came to the colonies about 1710. You said that Lancaster Co. was formed in1729. That would mean that he was originally from Chester Co. since the land purchase dates back to about 1710. I now see why I am so confused- just uneducated not completely stupid. I do know that the Slaymakers were from the area called The Gap. Would that originally have been part of Chester Co? I know that I read somewhere that the London Lands were Penn Lands. They were not adminitered by Penn, however. That was done by some agents.I guess that they were rich people from England. I have run into the county changes. This is particualy true in VA. I have not done much research there yet but have been warned about the Co changes. For example, one family did not move but were in both Scott and Lee Counties VA because of a new county formation. You are certainly right about major migration trails also. I have one family that was all over the place in NC, VA, and Tenn. It seems that today there is a highway that goes thru all the places where they were. I have not done the research on them and thus have not figured it out yet. You are certainly right. I need to Goggle everything before I ask a question. One has to have a point of reference before it makesw sense, however. One family that I did research on had a piano manufacturing business. These were just plain pianos- not mechanical or player pianos. Who would have known that a lot of the information whould be found in the archives of an Arcade Museum unless someone hadn't pointed me there. They had Music Trade Journals in their museum. I am very confused because I know very little about PA. I drove thru there once when I was college age many many years ago. I note that you are from Sacramento. So am I. You certainly have a handle on the PA information so I guess that there is hope for me. I am just beginning there. This genealogy is certainly a more interesting way to learn history than a history book but I guess that we have to read them also. I find John Jakes books very interesting. Even tho the family is fiction, he has done a lot of research on the history and ties it together very well. Even when I get a better understanding of these families I am going to have to get proofs of the information. Do you have any idea of the best way to get proofs? I doubt that I would be able to get back there where they have archives. Are there things on line for this early time period? I do have some on the Penn Lands from the library edition of Ancestry. Are there any eveand don books that I should order? I thank you so much for all of your help in pointing me in the right direction. I thank you for taking your valuable time to help me. Velma [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:01 am Subject: PA-OLD-CHESTER Digest, Vol 4, Issue 217 Today's Topics: 1. Re: TAYLORS - answers to genealogy research questions (Ginni Morgan) Attached Message From: Ginni Morgan To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PaOldC] TAYLORS - answers to genealogy research questions Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:32:09 -0800 Hi, Velma ~ Welcome to the wonderful world of computer genealogy. Please accept he following information as the friendly/helpful set of hints and rocedures it is intended to be. There are many sources available to ou that do not require subscription. This mailing list is one of them. It covers what we fondly call Old Chester County, which includes those reas which were part of Chester County prior to Lancaster County (1729) nd Delaware County (1789) being formed. There are others like it that ou might want to investigate. And questions regarding Lancaster and elaware Counties for events after their formation dates are probably est addressed to their respective mailing lists, though we may be able o assist somewhat here. The computer is a wonderful assistant for hose of us living far from our research areas. USGENWEB Please check out the various county and state sites on this wonderful esource. Just type USGENWEB into your search engine to reach it. It an direct you to websites and mailing lists for a huge number of ocalities. In fact, it is the place I go first when starting new esearch in an area. GOOGLE If you haven’t already been told to “Google” your ancestors, you ill be told to do so soon. Unfortunately, as I also learned, that nstruction usually doesn’t include exactly how to do this. So I’m iving you simple instructions on how to do it here: 1. Type in your ancestor’s name and put quotes around it. Repeat as ecessary for spelling variants. Using the quotation marks limits the earch to the actual string contained inside the quotes. Leaving off he quotes will give you all entries with either the first or last name r both, not necessarily together. My own example: “Levi Antrim” Levi Antram” “Levi Antrem” 2. Continuing on the same line, space once and then type the first ear of the year range in which the ancestor lived followed by two eriods with no spaces and the last year of the year range. My own xample: 1760..1840. he entire query should appear as follows: “Levi Antrim” 760..1840 Good luck searching! You’ll be surprised at what might show up. BOUNDARIES Changing boundaries generally are a problem that all genealogists must eal with on a regular basis. The generally accepted practice for ecording the location where an event took place is to record it as it xisted at the time of the event. This is done regardless of how many hanges in designation that location goes through in its future. For xample, Flatbush, Brooklyn, New York, was originally part of the Dutch olony of New Amsterdam and went by the name Midwout (or Midwood). nyone born there prior to the English takeover of the colony in 1664 hould be recorded as having been born in Midwout, Nieuw Nederland (or idwood, New Amsterdam, if you want it in English), not Flatbush, rooklyn, New York. In fact, according to Wikipedia, the Midwood esignation for the area continued as an alternative to Flatbush up to he earlier 20th century. Another example would be recording omeone’s birth prior to 1870 in the Duchy of Baden as having taken lace in Germany. Germany as a country didn’t exist in until the ormation of the German Empire. If you find it necessary to clarify the ituation so as to avoid confusion (yours or others), make a note in our genealogy program as to what the present location is called, but ontinue to use the correct location information for the dates you nter. On the same note, you mention that William Taylor came to the “US” n 1682. That wouldn't have been possible as the US didn't come into eing for another 100+ years. He actually immigrated to the colonies, pecifically Pennsylvania. So the quick answer to your question is yes, the county lines changed, r rather new counties were formed out of parts of old counties. pecifically, Delaware County was set off from Chester County in 1789. he following are townships origi ally found in the records of Chester ounty which, after 1789, are part of Delaware County: Aston, Bethel, irmingham (part), Chester, Chichester, Marple, Middletown, Providence Upper & Lower), Radnor, Ridley, and Springfield. I made a quick scan f the list of townships and boroughs on the ttp://chester.pa-roots.com/ website and may have missed a few ownships. However, the point is that Delaware County formed from hester County in 1789. Any act which occurred in one of the above ownships prior to 1789 actually occurred in Chester County. Given the ates mentioned in your message, this means that the various events you ention as occurring Upper Providence Township occurred while the ownship was still part of Chester County. Similarly, Berks County formed in 1752 from Philadelphia and Lancaster ounties. While Lancaster formed in 1729 from Chester County, only a hin slice along the upper edge of Lancaster was transferred to Berks ounty. Thus you may find better answers to questions relating to the rea which became Berks County on the boards and mailing lists relating o Philadelphia County, although many of us cross county lines regularly hen researching. Also, from the same list of townships as above, the entry for London ritain township states that it was originally surveyed for the London ompany with the earliest inhabitants in residence in 1700. Perhaps hat is the location of your “London Lands.” Finally, Botetourt County, VA, is nowhere near the Pennsylvania border. When formed in 1769, it contained the entire southwest quarter of Old irginia (combined VA & WV). Modern Botetourt County is located in the outh west part of modern Virginia. However, you should know that a ajor migration trail went down the Shenandoah Valley which leads toward otetourt County at its southern end. Good luck and happy hunting! Ginni Morgan acramento, CA >>> 12/28/09 11:48 PM >>> Hi. Here is another set of direct line ancestors. I know even less about hem. William Taylor was an original purchaser of Penn Colony land and hus had a small piece of property in Philadelphia, He came to the US n 1682 as did Allen Robinette whose descendant link up with the unkelbergers in my other email. I can find no evidence that he was elated to Zachary Taylor even tho Zachary was burried on the the land hat William first5 owned. William Taylor was born 1640 in Cheshire, England. He died March 6 682/1683 in Upper Providence, Chester Co. PA. This date has to be rong because he came to the US later in 1682. I do know that he died oon after he came to the US. His brother Peter lived longer. He ar4ried Margaret Finsham May 1, 1665 in Presbury, Cheshire, England. he was born about 1645 and died March 3.1682/83 in Chester Co PA. gain, I think that the date is wrong. Mary Taylor was born Feb. 26, 1673/74 in Kakewick, Prestbury, Cheshire, ngland. and died 1747 i East Notingham, Chester, PA. She married Samuel obinette abt 1693 in Chester, PA. Samuel was born May 11, 1669 in heshire, England and died April 30.1745 in East Notingham Twp, hester, PA. Samuel was the son of Allen Robinette who was also an riginal purchaser Penn land. James Robinette wasw born 1713 in Upper Providence Twp, Delaware, PA. e died March 10. 1784 in Hunington Twp. York PA He married An nknown. She was born in Upper Providence Twp. Delaware PA and died fter Oct 11. 1783. I am confused about the counties here. Was another ounty formed in this time period? The after date for her must have een a will. Samuel (Big Sam) Robinette was born about 1737 in Huntington Twp, York, a and died Oct 25, 1771 in Botetourt Va. He married Mary Fickle . he was born about 1738 in Syrasburg Twp, Lancaster Pa and died abt 7381826 Walker Creek, Wythe VA, James Robinette wasw born abt 1768 in Botetourt VA and died abt, 1816 n Scott Co VA. He married Catherine Darter. She was born June 26,1772 nd died??? They were the arents of Rhoda Robinette as listed with the unklebergers/ Is Bot5etourt VA just over the line from PA?? Again, my ancestors were the ones who kept moving. Thanks for any help that you can give me. I am certain that the pelling is not correct for some of these places. 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On Dec 30, 2009, at 2:05 PM, [email protected] wrote: <I now see why I am so confused- just uneducated not completely stupid.> <You are certainly right. I need to Goggle everything before I ask a question. One has to have a point of reference before it makesw sense, however.> Hi Velma; Don't be too hard on yourself. Even the finest experts on our site (and there are a good number!) started out as novices and accumulated knowledge as they got in deeper. I am a very visual person and also not able to carry a working knowledge of PA boundaries by date around in my head. Google has a great and very underused tool that helps me work around my problems and improve my understanding regarding proximity: the "My Maps" feature. I have created a map under the surname "Vasey". As I discover names and events related to that surname, I narrow down the location as best I can and add a marker on my "Vasey" surname map. Such things as where they were on each census, the dates and locations of the churches they belonged to, where they were born, married, died, etc. are all marked as close to the place of occurrence as possible. Proximity, as much as the name of a township or county, is important when considering family relationships. I find just the process of making the map keeps me focused! To create a Google Map there is an easy to follow demo at: http://maps.google.com/help/maps/mymaps/ create.html#utm_campaign=en&utm_source=en-ha-na-us-google- mm&utm_medium=ha&utm_term=my%20maps You will need to sign up for the free google account if you don't already have one. Also, Google Books is a great place to search. While a small sampling from Google Books may come up in a Google general search, Google Books can be searched in depth on it's own. Just click on "more" on in the bar at the top left of the Google home page and choose "Books" from the drop-down menu that appears, or go directly to the site: http://books.google.com/ If you have a google account, you can save the books to your library. Many of the out-of-print books are savable as PDFs. Great Chester resources! Hope you find this helpful, Carol T.

Thank you for taking the time to send your message which is a wonderful gift to a new researcher ---- and an excellent reminder to those of us who've been researching for years. Even the librarian at the Lancaster County Historical Society did not recognize that Robeson Township, now in Berks, was initially a part of Lancaster when I recently requested copies of some probate documents for an ancestor who died there in 1747/8 I did not at first realize that a knowledge of history is such an important part of successful research -- I have come to appreciate our ancestors times more and more as I learn more of our history. Anna Brown, San Mateo CA

Hi Ginny, WOW! Thanks for your excellent answer to my questions. I am printing it out and will carry it with me when I do research on these families. Your answers certainly did clear up a lot of my confusion about the counties and townships. I have seen the maps on line that have additions of counties but there really is not a point of reference. You gave me those points. For example the Slaymakers are from Lancaster County. The London Lands would be in that county, The problem here would be that Mathias Slaymaker came to the colonies about 1710. You said that Lancaster Co. was formed in1729. That would mean that he was originally from Chester Co. since the land purchase dates back to about 1710. I now see why I am so confused- just uneducated not completely stupid. I do know that the Slaymakers were from the area called The Gap. Would that originally have been part of Chester Co? I know that I read somewhere that the London Lands were Penn Lands. They were not adminitered by Penn, however. That was done by some agents.I guess that they were rich people from England. I have run into the county changes. This is particualy true in VA. I have not done much research there yet but have been warned about the Co changes. For example, one family did not move but were in both Scott and Lee Counties VA because of a new county formation. You are certainly right about major migration trails also. I have one family that was all over the place in NC, VA, and Tenn. It seems that today there is a highway that goes thru all the places where they were. I have not done the research on them and thus have not figured it out yet. You are certainly right. I need to Goggle everything before I ask a question. One has to have a point of reference before it makesw sense, however. One family that I did research on had a piano manufacturing business. These were just plain pianos- not mechanical or player pianos. Who would have known that a lot of the information whould be found in the archives of an Arcade Museum unless someone hadn't pointed me there. They had Music Trade Journals in their museum. I am very confused because I know very little about PA. I drove thru there once when I was college age many many years ago. I note that you are from Sacramento. So am I. You certainly have a handle on the PA information so I guess that there is hope for me. I am just beginning there. This genealogy is certainly a more interesting way to learn history than a history book but I guess that we have to read them also. I find John Jakes books very interesting. Even tho the family is fiction, he has done a lot of research on the history and ties it together very well. Even when I get a better understanding of these families I am going to have to get proofs of the information. Do you have any idea of the best way to get proofs? I doubt that I would be able to get back there where they have archives. Are there things on line for this early time period? I do have some on the Penn Lands from the library edition of Ancestry. Are there any eveand don books that I should order? I thank you so much for all of your help in pointing me in the right direction. I thank you for taking your valuable time to help me. Velma [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:01 am Subject: PA-OLD-CHESTER Digest, Vol 4, Issue 217 Today's Topics: 1. Re: TAYLORS - answers to genealogy research questions (Ginni Morgan) Attached Message From: Ginni Morgan <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PaOldC] TAYLORS - answers to genealogy research questions Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:32:09 -0800 Hi, Velma ~ Welcome to the wonderful world of computer genealogy. Please accept he following information as the friendly/helpful set of hints and rocedures it is intended to be. There are many sources available to ou that do not require subscription. This mailing list is one of them. It covers what we fondly call Old Chester County, which includes those reas which were part of Chester County prior to Lancaster County (1729) nd Delaware County (1789) being formed. There are others like it that ou might want to investigate. And questions regarding Lancaster and elaware Counties for events after their formation dates are probably est addressed to their respective mailing lists, though we may be able o assist somewhat here. The computer is a wonderful assistant for hose of us living far from our research areas. USGENWEB Please check out the various county and state sites on this wonderful esource. Just type USGENWEB into your search engine to reach it. It an direct you to websites and mailing lists for a huge number of ocalities. In fact, it is the place I go first when starting new esearch in an area. GOOGLE If you haven’t already been told to “Google” your ancestors, you ill be told to do so soon. Unfortunately, as I also learned, that nstruction usually doesn’t include exactly how to do this. So I’m iving you simple instructions on how to do it here: 1. Type in your ancestor’s name and put quotes around it. Repeat as ecessary for spelling variants. Using the quotation marks limits the earch to the actual string contained inside the quotes. Leaving off he quotes will give you all entries with either the first or last name r both, not necessarily together. My own example: “Levi Antrim” Levi Antram” “Levi Antrem” 2. Continuing on the same line, space once and then type the first ear of the year range in which the ancestor lived followed by two eriods with no spaces and the last year of the year range. My own xample: 1760..1840. he entire query should appear as follows: “Levi Antrim” 760..1840 Good luck searching! You’ll be surprised at what might show up. BOUNDARIES Changing boundaries generally are a problem that all genealogists must eal with on a regular basis. The generally accepted practice for ecording the location where an event took place is to record it as it xisted at the time of the event. This is done regardless of how many hanges in designation that location goes through in its future. For xample, Flatbush, Brooklyn, New York, was originally part of the Dutch olony of New Amsterdam and went by the name Midwout (or Midwood). nyone born there prior to the English takeover of the colony in 1664 hould be recorded as having been born in Midwout, Nieuw Nederland (or idwood, New Amsterdam, if you want it in English), not Flatbush, rooklyn, New York. In fact, according to Wikipedia, the Midwood esignation for the area continued as an alternative to Flatbush up to he earlier 20th century. Another example would be recording omeone’s birth prior to 1870 in the Duchy of Baden as having taken lace in Germany. Germany as a country didn’t exist in until the ormation of the German Empire. If you find it necessary to clarify the ituation so as to avoid confusion (yours or others), make a note in our genealogy program as to what the present location is called, but ontinue to use the correct location information for the dates you nter. On the same note, you mention that William Taylor came to the “US” n 1682. That wouldn't have been possible as the US didn't come into eing for another 100+ years. He actually immigrated to the colonies, pecifically Pennsylvania. So the quick answer to your question is yes, the county lines changed, r rather new counties were formed out of parts of old counties. pecifically, Delaware County was set off from Chester County in 1789. he following are townships origi ally found in the records of Chester ounty which, after 1789, are part of Delaware County: Aston, Bethel, irmingham (part), Chester, Chichester, Marple, Middletown, Providence Upper & Lower), Radnor, Ridley, and Springfield. I made a quick scan f the list of townships and boroughs on the ttp://chester.pa-roots.com/ website and may have missed a few ownships. However, the point is that Delaware County formed from hester County in 1789. Any act which occurred in one of the above ownships prior to 1789 actually occurred in Chester County. Given the ates mentioned in your message, this means that the various events you ention as occurring Upper Providence Township occurred while the ownship was still part of Chester County. Similarly, Berks County formed in 1752 from Philadelphia and Lancaster ounties. While Lancaster formed in 1729 from Chester County, only a hin slice along the upper edge of Lancaster was transferred to Berks ounty. Thus you may find better answers to questions relating to the rea which became Berks County on the boards and mailing lists relating o Philadelphia County, although many of us cross county lines regularly hen researching. Also, from the same list of townships as above, the entry for London ritain township states that it was originally surveyed for the London ompany with the earliest inhabitants in residence in 1700. Perhaps hat is the location of your “London Lands.” Finally, Botetourt County, VA, is nowhere near the Pennsylvania border. When formed in 1769, it contained the entire southwest quarter of Old irginia (combined VA & WV). Modern Botetourt County is located in the outh west part of modern Virginia. However, you should know that a ajor migration trail went down the Shenandoah Valley which leads toward otetourt County at its southern end. Good luck and happy hunting! Ginni Morgan acramento, CA >>> <[email protected]> 12/28/09 11:48 PM >>> Hi. Here is another set of direct line ancestors. I know even less about hem. William Taylor was an original purchaser of Penn Colony land and hus had a small piece of property in Philadelphia, He came to the US n 1682 as did Allen Robinette whose descendant link up with the unkelbergers in my other email. I can find no evidence that he was elated to Zachary Taylor even tho Zachary was burried on the the land hat William first5 owned. William Taylor was born 1640 in Cheshire, England. He died March 6 682/1683 in Upper Providence, Chester Co. PA. This date has to be rong because he came to the US later in 1682. I do know that he died oon after he came to the US. His brother Peter lived longer. He ar4ried Margaret Finsham May 1, 1665 in Presbury, Cheshire, England. he was born about 1645 and died March 3.1682/83 in Chester Co PA. gain, I think that the date is wrong. Mary Taylor was born Feb. 26, 1673/74 in Kakewick, Prestbury, Cheshire, ngland. and died 1747 i East Notingham, Chester, PA. She married Samuel obinette abt 1693 in Chester, PA. Samuel was born May 11, 1669 in heshire, England and died April 30.1745 in East Notingham Twp, hester, PA. Samuel was the son of Allen Robinette who was also an riginal purchaser Penn land. James Robinette wasw born 1713 in Upper Providence Twp, Delaware, PA. e died March 10. 1784 in Hunington Twp. York PA He married An nknown. She was born in Upper Providence Twp. Delaware PA and died fter Oct 11. 1783. I am confused about the counties here. Was another ounty formed in this time period? The after date for her must have een a will. Samuel (Big Sam) Robinette was born about 1737 in Huntington Twp, York, a and died Oct 25, 1771 in Botetourt Va. He married Mary Fickle . he was born about 1738 in Syrasburg Twp, Lancaster Pa and died abt 7381826 Walker Creek, Wythe VA, James Robinette wasw born abt 1768 in Botetourt VA and died abt, 1816 n Scott Co VA. He married Catherine Darter. She was born June 26,1772 nd died??? They were the arents of Rhoda Robinette as listed with the unklebergers/ Is Bot5etourt VA just over the line from PA?? Again, my ancestors were the ones who kept moving. Thanks for any help that you can give me. I am certain that the pelling is not correct for some of these places. Velma [email protected] = ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' ithout the quotes in the subject and the body of the message CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain onfidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the se of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use r disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including he Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended ecipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the ommunication. 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Hi, Velma ~ Welcome to the wonderful world of computer genealogy. Please accept the following information as the friendly/helpful set of hints and procedures it is intended to be. There are many sources available to you that do not require subscription. This mailing list is one of them. It covers what we fondly call Old Chester County, which includes those areas which were part of Chester County prior to Lancaster County (1729) and Delaware County (1789) being formed. There are others like it that you might want to investigate. And questions regarding Lancaster and Delaware Counties for events after their formation dates are probably best addressed to their respective mailing lists, though we may be able to assist somewhat here. The computer is a wonderful assistant for those of us living far from our research areas. USGENWEB Please check out the various county and state sites on this wonderful resource. Just type USGENWEB into your search engine to reach it. It can direct you to websites and mailing lists for a huge number of localities. In fact, it is the place I go first when starting new research in an area. GOOGLE If you haven’t already been told to “Google” your ancestors, you will be told to do so soon. Unfortunately, as I also learned, that instruction usually doesn’t include exactly how to do this. So I’m giving you simple instructions on how to do it here: 1. Type in your ancestor’s name and put quotes around it. Repeat as necessary for spelling variants. Using the quotation marks limits the search to the actual string contained inside the quotes. Leaving off the quotes will give you all entries with either the first or last name or both, not necessarily together. My own example: “Levi Antrim” “Levi Antram” “Levi Antrem” 2. Continuing on the same line, space once and then type the first year of the year range in which the ancestor lived followed by two periods with no spaces and the last year of the year range. My own example: 1760..1840. The entire query should appear as follows: “Levi Antrim” 1760..1840 Good luck searching! You’ll be surprised at what might show up. BOUNDARIES Changing boundaries generally are a problem that all genealogists must deal with on a regular basis. The generally accepted practice for recording the location where an event took place is to record it as it existed at the time of the event. This is done regardless of how many changes in designation that location goes through in its future. For example, Flatbush, Brooklyn, New York, was originally part of the Dutch colony of New Amsterdam and went by the name Midwout (or Midwood). Anyone born there prior to the English takeover of the colony in 1664 should be recorded as having been born in Midwout, Nieuw Nederland (or Midwood, New Amsterdam, if you want it in English), not Flatbush, Brooklyn, New York. In fact, according to Wikipedia, the Midwood designation for the area continued as an alternative to Flatbush up to the earlier 20th century. Another example would be recording someone’s birth prior to 1870 in the Duchy of Baden as having taken place in Germany. Germany as a country didn’t exist in until the formation of the German Empire. If you find it necessary to clarify the situation so as to avoid confusion (yours or others), make a note in your genealogy program as to what the present location is called, but continue to use the correct location information for the dates you enter. On the same note, you mention that William Taylor came to the “US” in 1682. That wouldn't have been possible as the US didn't come into being for another 100+ years. He actually immigrated to the colonies, specifically Pennsylvania. So the quick answer to your question is yes, the county lines changed, or rather new counties were formed out of parts of old counties. Specifically, Delaware County was set off from Chester County in 1789. The following are townships origi nally found in the records of Chester County which, after 1789, are part of Delaware County: Aston, Bethel, Birmingham (part), Chester, Chichester, Marple, Middletown, Providence (Upper & Lower), Radnor, Ridley, and Springfield. I made a quick scan of the list of townships and boroughs on the http://chester.pa-roots.com/ website and may have missed a few townships. However, the point is that Delaware County formed from Chester County in 1789. Any act which occurred in one of the above townships prior to 1789 actually occurred in Chester County. Given the dates mentioned in your message, this means that the various events you mention as occurring Upper Providence Township occurred while the township was still part of Chester County. Similarly, Berks County formed in 1752 from Philadelphia and Lancaster counties. While Lancaster formed in 1729 from Chester County, only a thin slice along the upper edge of Lancaster was transferred to Berks County. Thus you may find better answers to questions relating to the area which became Berks County on the boards and mailing lists relating to Philadelphia County, although many of us cross county lines regularly when researching. Also, from the same list of townships as above, the entry for London Britain township states that it was originally surveyed for the London Company with the earliest inhabitants in residence in 1700. Perhaps that is the location of your “London Lands.” Finally, Botetourt County, VA, is nowhere near the Pennsylvania border. When formed in 1769, it contained the entire southwest quarter of Old Virginia (combined VA & WV). Modern Botetourt County is located in the south west part of modern Virginia. However, you should know that a major migration trail went down the Shenandoah Valley which leads toward Botetourt County at its southern end. Good luck and happy hunting! Ginni Morgan Sacramento, CA >>> <[email protected]> 12/28/09 11:48 PM >>> Hi. Here is another set of direct line ancestors. I know even less about them. William Taylor was an original purchaser of Penn Colony land and thus had a small piece of property in Philadelphia, He came to the US in 1682 as did Allen Robinette whose descendant link up with the Dunkelbergers in my other email. I can find no evidence that he was related to Zachary Taylor even tho Zachary was burried on the the land that William first5 owned. William Taylor was born 1640 in Cheshire, England. He died March 6 1682/1683 in Upper Providence, Chester Co. PA. This date has to be wrong because he came to the US later in 1682. I do know that he died soon after he came to the US. His brother Peter lived longer. He mar4ried Margaret Finsham May 1, 1665 in Presbury, Cheshire, England. She was born about 1645 and died March 3.1682/83 in Chester Co PA. Again, I think that the date is wrong. Mary Taylor was born Feb. 26, 1673/74 in Kakewick, Prestbury, Cheshire, England. and died 1747 i East Notingham, Chester, PA. She married Samuel Robinette abt 1693 in Chester, PA. Samuel was born May 11, 1669 in Cheshire, England and died April 30.1745 in East Notingham Twp, Chester, PA. Samuel was the son of Allen Robinette who was also an original purchaser Penn land. James Robinette wasw born 1713 in Upper Providence Twp, Delaware, PA. He died March 10. 1784 in Hunington Twp. York PA He married An unknown. She was born in Upper Providence Twp. Delaware PA and died after Oct 11. 1783. I am confused about the counties here. Was another county formed in this time period? The after date for her must have been a will. Samuel (Big Sam) Robinette was born about 1737 in Huntington Twp, York, Pa and died Oct 25, 1771 in Botetourt Va. He married Mary Fickle . She was born about 1738 in Syrasburg Twp, Lancaster Pa and died abt 17381826 Walker Creek, Wythe VA, James Robinette wasw born abt 1768 in Botetourt VA and died abt, 1816 in Scott Co VA. He married Catherine Darter. She was born June 26,1772 and died??? They were the parents of Rhoda Robinette as listed with the Dunklebergers/ Is Bot5etourt VA just over the line from PA?? Again, my ancestors were the ones who kept moving. Thanks for any help that you can give me. I am certain that the spelling is not correct for some of these places. 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Hi. Here is another set of direct line ancestors. I know even less about them. William Taylor was an original purchaser of Penn Colony land and thus had a small piece of property in Philadelphia, He came to the US in 1682 as did Allen Robinette whose descendant link up with the Dunkelbergers in my other email. I can find no evidence that he was related to Zachary Taylor even tho Zachary was burried on the the land that William first5 owned. William Taylor was born 1640 in Cheshire, England. He died March 6 1682/1683 in Upper Providence, Chester Co. PA. This date has to be wrong because he came to the US later in 1682. I do know that he died soon after he came to the US. His brother Peter lived longer. He mar4ried Margaret Finsham May 1, 1665 in Presbury, Cheshire, England. She was born about 1645 and died March 3.1682/83 in Chester Co PA. Again, I think that the date is wrong. Mary Taylor was born Feb. 26, 1673/74 in Kakewick, Prestbury, Cheshire, England. and died 1747 i East Notingham, Chester, PA. She married Samuel Robinette abt 1693 in Chester, PA. Samuel was born May 11, 1669 in Cheshire, England and died April 30.1745 in East Notingham Twp, Chester, PA. Samuel was the son of Allen Robinette who was also an original purchaser Penn land. James Robinette wasw born 1713 in Upper Providence Twp, Delaware, PA. He died March 10. 1784 in Hunington Twp. York PA He married An unknown. She was born in Upper Providence Twp. Delaware PA and died after Oct 11. 1783. I am confused about the counties here. Was another county formed in this time period? The after date for her must have been a will. Samuel (Big Sam) Robinette was born about 1737 in Huntington Twp, York, Pa and died Oct 25, 1771 in Botetourt Va. He married Mary Fickle . She was born about 1738 in Syrasburg Twp, Lancaster Pa and died abt 17381826 Walker Creek, Wythe VA, James Robinette wasw born abt 1768 in Botetourt VA and died abt, 1816 in Scott Co VA. He married Catherine Darter. She was born June 26,1772 and died??? They were the parents of Rhoda Robinette as listed with the Dunklebergers/ Is Bot5etourt VA just over the line from PA?? Again, my ancestors were the ones who kept moving. Thanks for any help that you can give me. I am certain that the spelling is not correct for some of these places. Velma [email protected] =

Hi again. My direct line ancestors who came to the US are as follows. I am going to try to be a little more specific. I know little or nothing about their siblings and would like to know about them. I have no idea where I got this information and really do need proofs to verify it, DUNKELBERGERs I have the book about the Dunkelbergers in Germany so I have that part. I am putting down my direct line ancestors who came to the Us, Clemens Dunkelberger born ?? died 1776 in Berks Co. PA. I have no idea if that is where he first settled. He married Anna Marie Hauer. Catherine Dunkelberger born 1740 in Windsor Berks Co.PA. and died in 1836 in Church Hill, Hawkins TN. She married Andrew Wininger . He was born about 1840 in PA. Where?? Peter Wininger born Sept 15, 1782 in Hawkins TN. He died May 26, 1832 in Scott Co. VA. He married Julia Ann Slusher (Schlossher) in 1802 (date?0 in Hawkins TN. She was born August 20. 1780 (where??) and died July 30, 1864 in Scott Co. Va. StephenWininger born August 6, 1806 in Hawkins TN and died April 12, 1871 in Glasgow Kentucky. He married Rhoda Robinette Oct 4 1827 in Scott Co VA. Rhoda was born July 17, 1808 in Lee Co (laterr became Scott Co) VA and died May 3 1860 (where??) I guess that she died in Glasgow, Kentucky. Sarah Elizabeth Wininger born August 3 , 1844 in Hawkins Tn and died June 22, 1927 in Arroyo grande CA. She married Thomas Exley Hodges Oct 7, 1872 in Forest City MO. This marriage is on Ancestry but is not readable. Thomas was born August 20, 1846 in Morgan Co MO and died Feb 14, 1933 in Arroyo Grance. CA. >From here on I can prove. In my last email I said that mine were the ancestors who kept moving farther West. Velma [email protected]

Gail - Thanks for the reply. I looked through the whole passenger list to see if I recognized any names but I have no one in the family to ask. Oh well . . . In a message dated 12/28/2009 11:01:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Most of the passenger lists I've seen are listed alphabetically. I was just researching a person who came on a ship, age 17. The ship passenger list showed she was 1 of 2 parties, but there was no way to know who the other person was. There was no one else there with her surname. She could have come with an aunt or a cousin. As could your 11 yr old. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 7:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PaOldC] Immigration Question Is it possible? Would an 11 yr old girl travel alone from Hamburg Germany to NYC in 1894 to come live with her sister and sister's husband? If she was not traveling alone, would her guardian be listed before or after her on the Passenger list? I don't recognize the names before or after her listing and have no one to ask. The Passenger List does not have a destination listed. On the Ellis Island site I found that 12 years old was the cutoff age for determining if someone was a child or not. But could not find the age for traveling alone. Anyone have any thoughts? Karen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Most of the passenger lists I've seen are listed alphabetically. I was just researching a person who came on a ship, age 17. The ship passenger list showed she was 1 of 2 parties, but there was no way to know who the other person was. There was no one else there with her surname. She could have come with an aunt or a cousin. As could your 11 yr old. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 7:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PaOldC] Immigration Question Is it possible? Would an 11 yr old girl travel alone from Hamburg Germany to NYC in 1894 to come live with her sister and sister's husband? If she was not traveling alone, would her guardian be listed before or after her on the Passenger list? I don't recognize the names before or after her listing and have no one to ask. The Passenger List does not have a destination listed. On the Ellis Island site I found that 12 years old was the cutoff age for determining if someone was a child or not. But could not find the age for traveling alone. Anyone have any thoughts? Karen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is it possible? Would an 11 yr old girl travel alone from Hamburg Germany to NYC in 1894 to come live with her sister and sister's husband? If she was not traveling alone, would her guardian be listed before or after her on the Passenger list? I don't recognize the names before or after her listing and have no one to ask. The Passenger List does not have a destination listed. On the Ellis Island site I found that 12 years old was the cutoff age for determining if someone was a child or not. But could not find the age for traveling alone. Anyone have any thoughts? Karen

#22 WILLIAM SMEDLEY (George,George),b.Middletown 9-19-1728;d.there 3-6-1766;m.4-5-1753, at Providence Meeting,to Elizabeth Taylor,b.1731;d.2-22-1789;dau.of Peter Taylor and Elizabeth Jerman,of Upper Providence. Issue: 112 Peter,b.1-28-1754;d.2-15-1828;m.Phebe Sharpless. 113 Mary,b.10-21-1755;d.12-20-1823;m.Joseph Hoopes. 114 George,b.3-11-1758;d.7-9-1827;m.Hannah Mercer. 115 Joseph,b.4-22-1761;d.1-22-1791;unmarried. 116 Samuel,b.6-28-1763;d.1-15-1791;unmarried. 117 William,b.8-9-1765;d.4-10-1839;m.Deborah Lightfoot. At Chester Monthly Meeting 2-26-1753:William Smedley,son of George,and Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of Peter Taylor,deceased,declared their intentions of marriage for the first time.Thomas Pilkington and Robert Pennell,Elizabeth Sharpless and Margaret Camm were appointed to make inquiry as to their clearness of other engagements.At the next meeting 3-26-1753,they appeared the second time and were given permission to proceed to the accomplishment of their intentions.Richard Bowman,Thomas Pilkington,Elizabeth Sharples and Margaret Camm were appointed to attend the marriage and see that good order was observed. William and Peter Taylor,both of Sutton,in the County Palatine of Chester (England),husbandmen,purchased from William Penn,by lease and release,March 2nd and 3rd,1681-2,1250 acres of land in Pennsylvania,for Lb.25.They arrived in Pennsylvania 1682,and took up 350 acres each in Upper Providence Twp.,at the present site of Media.Margaret,the wife of William, died on the 3rd of the first month,1682-3,and her husband 3 days later.He made his will on the day of his death in which he mentions his son Joseph "and other children." The witnesses were Peter Taylor,Mary Stevenson and Allen Robinett.As executors he appointed John Simcock and Thomas Minshall. At a court held in Chester the 6th of the 11th mo.,1684:"Ordered that Peter Taylor and Robert Vernome be received into the Grand Jury in the Roome of John Child and Thomas Minkshaw,And Thomas Colborne in the Roome of John Sharply." Peter Taylor and Sarah Houlston declared their intentions of marriage at Chester Meeting, 1-2-1685,and 2-6-1685,and were married soon after the last date.Her sister Elizabeth"passed meeting"on the same date,with James Swaffer,and another sister,Rebecca,with William Gregory. They were the daughters of John Houlston,of Upper Providence.In 1712 Peter Taylor removed from Upper Providence,leaving his eldest son,of the same name,at the homestead,and settled in East Caln,where he was a member of Goshen Meeting.He died 9-15-1720,and his will,dated 5-4-1720 appointed his wife and son Peter to be executors. Children of Peter and Sarah Taylor: Peter,b.3-20-1686;d.1739-40;m.Elizabeth Jerman. John,b.12-1-1687;d.8-25-1720;unmarried. Sarah,b.5-6-1690;d.?;m.Robert Thornton,1718. William,b.4-19-1694;m.Mary Atherton. Samuel,b.12-13-1696-7;m.Ann ?,1720-1. Peter Taylor Jr.was married 2-28-1712 to Elizabeth,dau.of John and Margaret Jerman,of Haverford.They settled at the homestead in Providence,where he died 1st mo.,1739-40.His widow m.4-15-1743,Edward Woodward of Newton,and having survived him,died at the residence of her daughter Elizabeth Smedley in 1784,aged nearly 94 years,being born 9-16-1690. Children of Peter and Elizabeth Taylor: Mordecai,b.12-7-1713;d.1747;m.Esther Sharples,3-18-1738. Nathan,b.1-29-1715;d.1801;m.Ruth Evans,9-5-1746. Sarah,b.12-2-1718;m.7-19-1739,John Heacock. Margaret,b.?;d.?;m.12-14-1742,Peter Thomas. Peter,b.?;d.1802;m.2-17-1746,Elizabeth Hall.They had several children of whom Mary m.Ambrose Smedley. John,b?;d.?. Joseph,b.?;d.?. Elizabeth,b.1731;d.2-22-1789;m.William Smedley. William Smedley was apprenticed to John Taylor to learn the"art trade or mystery" of a carpenter from the 25th of 1st mo.,1748,for the term of three years.His account book,still preserved,shows that in addition to ordenary carpenter's work he made coffins,bedsteads and cases of drawers. The charge for a coffin varied from 10 shillings for a child to Lb.2:5s for an adult,with six handles. Joseph Edwards was Dr.,"1759,1st month 24th,to making of a Black Walnut Coffin for his mother,with two handles,Lb.1:15s." "1759,4th month 12th Day,James Wilcox Dr. to a Black Walnut Coffin for his child,10s." In that day carpenters made the shingles they used,and he charged 3s 6d per hundred for making 350 at the meetinghouse yard. By deed of Oct.13,1753,George and Mary Smedley conveyed to their son William three tracts of land in Middletown,containing respectively 60 acres,6 acres and 2 acres.In addition to these the latter purchased 146 acres from James and Mary Bennett May 16,1759;and from Joseph and Hannah Edwards 63 1/4 acres,by deed of Oct.21,1765.Besides his other duties his account book shows that he served in the office of constable.He died in his 38th year intestate and letters of administration on his estate were granted May 14,1766,to his widow.She appears to have carried on the farming and brought up her children in ways of usefulness,giving them such education as the neighborhood afforded,and they became worthy members of their meeting.Her sons,Joseph and Samuel,who died in early manhood,were appointed,1-25-1790,to record the minutes of Chester Monthly Meeting. Visit The George Smedley Homepage http://smedley.lewis.home.att.net -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 1:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PaOldC] Robinette, Taylor, Slaymaker, Fickle, Dunkelberger Hi, I do have some information about my ancestors but very little in the way of proofs. I am not certain that I am on the correct sites. I live in California and am not able to get back to PA. I do not have Ancestry but do have access to the library version of Ancestry. It does not have very much but it does have some that is useful to me. Can anyone help me find the locations to the proofs? I really am just starting my research on these families. Margaret Symm and Allen Robinette were original purchasers of Penn land. They came to the US in 1682. As an original purchaser they also had a little piece of land in Philadelphia. Taylors were also original purchasers Of Penn land and came to the US in 1682. I have been able to find little about the Taylors. I do have a little from Ancestry but that is all. The Taylor's daughter married the Robinette's son. Slaymaker. I am looking for anything that has to do with the Slaymakers but there is quite a bit about the siblings but not my direct line ancestor. My direct line ancestor was the daughter, Margaret, and she is not covered in the Slaymaker book. She also moved out the area rather quickly after marriage so that is part of the problem. Apparently Mathias Slaymaker came to the US about 1710 and settled on what is called the London Lands. I can find nothing on the London Lands. Was it a later version of Penn Lands? I guess that Michael Fickle came to the US about 1927. Again he is the one who moved on as are all of my other ancestors from this area. I understand that many of the Fickles stayed in PA and I know nothing about them. I am not certain that the Dunklebergers were from this part of PA. I really have not done much research here and need to find some proofs but have no idea where to look. Thanks for any help that you can give to me. Velma [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I do have some information about my ancestors but very little in the way of proofs. I am not certain that I am on the correct sites. I live in California and am not able to get back to PA. I do not have Ancestry but do have access to the library version of Ancestry. It does not have very much but it does have some that is useful to me. Can anyone help me find the locations to the proofs? I really am just starting my research on these families. Margaret Symm and Allen Robinette were original purchasers of Penn land. They came to the US in 1682. As an original purchaser they also had a little piece of land in Philadelphia. Taylors were also original purchasers Of Penn land and came to the US in 1682. I have been able to find little about the Taylors. I do have a little from Ancestry but that is all. The Taylor's daughter married the Robinette's son. Slaymaker. I am looking for anything that has to do with the Slaymakers but there is quite a bit about the siblings but not my direct line ancestor. My direct line ancestor was the daughter, Margaret, and she is not covered in the Slaymaker book. She also moved out the area rather quickly after marriage so that is part of the problem. Apparently Mathias Slaymaker came to the US about 1710 and settled on what is called the London Lands. I can find nothing on the London Lands. Was it a later version of Penn Lands? I guess that Michael Fickle came to the US about 1927. Again he is the one who moved on as are all of my other ancestors from this area. I understand that many of the Fickles stayed in PA and I know nothing about them. I am not certain that the Dunklebergers were from this part of PA. I really have not done much research here and need to find some proofs but have no idea where to look. Thanks for any help that you can give to me. Velma [email protected]

Thanks, Tim, I'll keep this on file.  From other records, I believe that Adam Andree lived with his mother or near her until she died, from tax records.  He lived at her place after she died, so I doubt if my Adam lived with a Tabitha Meyer as her son.  Adam married right after the Rev. war was over.  Yes, any tips are valuable and I appreciate yours.    Ann --- On Wed, 12/23/09, Tim Robinson <[email protected]> wrote: From: Tim Robinson <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PaOldC] A Holiday Query For the PA Old Chester List To: "Ann Werling" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 2:56 PM Ann, I was looking through the "Pennsylvania Wills, 1682 - 1834, and came up with 1 ADAM ANDREAS mentioned.  Don't know if it would be of any help to you or not. I see it as any clue is a good clue. This would have made him about 25 if your dates are right on. ** Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834; Philladelphia County abstracts 1777 - 1790. MEYER, TABITHA. N. Liberties. City of Phila. Widow. January 9, 1771. July 21, 1785. T.171. Children: Adam Andreas, Ann Thatcher [Wife of Joseph Thatcher], Thomas. Exec, Guardians and Trustees: Brother John Drinker, Thomas Say. Wit: John Gill, Dennis McCrohen, Peter Thomson. ************* Good Luck, Tim R. ***** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Werling" <[email protected]> Andrew, Andreas, Andree, - Adam - my gr, gr, gr, gr, gr grandfather, born in 1760 in Chester Co., PA, fought in American Revolution, married, had children who were baptized in a Reformed Lutheran Church under Andree and Andrea. Searching for any baptismal records for Adam, to obtain his parents names, nationality, etc. I have all of the info on him after he left Chester Co.., moving his family first to Virginia, then to sourthern Ohio. His father may have been Philip of some spelling, or that may be an older brother. I have inquired before, but would love to speak to Adam Andrew concerning his family as he grew up. --- On Sun, 12/20/09, Kim Spangrude <[email protected]> wrote:

Ann, I was looking through the "Pennsylvania Wills, 1682 - 1834, and came up with 1 ADAM ANDREAS mentioned. Don't know if it would be of any help to you or not. I see it as any clue is a good clue. This would have made him about 25 if your dates are right on. ** Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834; Philladelphia County abstracts 1777 - 1790. MEYER, TABITHA. N. Liberties. City of Phila. Widow. January 9, 1771. July 21, 1785. T.171. Children: Adam Andreas, Ann Thatcher [Wife of Joseph Thatcher], Thomas. Exec, Guardians and Trustees: Brother John Drinker, Thomas Say. Wit: John Gill, Dennis McCrohen, Peter Thomson. ************* Good Luck, Tim R. ***** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Werling" <[email protected]> Andrew, Andreas, Andree, - Adam - my gr, gr, gr, gr, gr grandfather, born in 1760 in Chester Co., PA, fought in American Revolution, married, had children who were baptized in a Reformed Lutheran Church under Andree and Andrea. Searching for any baptismal records for Adam, to obtain his parents names, nationality, etc. I have all of the info on him after he left Chester Co., moving his family first to Virginia, then to sourthern Ohio. His father may have been Philip of some spelling, or that may be an older brother. I have inquired before, but would love to speak to Adam Andrew concerning his family as he grew up. --- On Sun, 12/20/09, Kim Spangrude <[email protected]> wrote:

Andrew, Andreas, Andree, - Adam -   my gr, gr, gr, gr, gr grandfather, born in 1760 in Chester Co., PA, fought in American Revolution, married, had children who were baptized in a Reformed Lutheran Church under Andree and Andrea.  Searching for any baptismal records for Adam, to obtain his parents names, nationality, etc.  I have all of the info on him after he left Chester Co., moving his family first to Virginia, then to sourthern Ohio.  His father may have been Philip of some spelling, or that may be an older brother.  I have inquired before, but would love to speak to Adam Andrew concerning his family as he grew up. --- On Sun, 12/20/09, Kim Spangrude <[email protected]> wrote: From: Kim Spangrude <[email protected]> Subject: [PaOldC] A Holiday Query For the PA Old Chester List To: "Sandra Ferguson" <[email protected]>, "PaOldChester" <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 3:09 PM Well said, well said, my friend.  OK here is a change of subject: Dear List Members, During the holidays I am so always very busy preparing large family  meals, making menus, compiling lists of who to invite including  extended family and friends, who I will ask to bring side dishes, and  where everyone will be seated.  It is a busy but very fulfilling time  of the year, and satisfying in terms of making memories and traditions  for the young ones who are looking forward to the food and presents. My own memories always travel back to traditions my family had when I  was a child, such as the traditional and thrift-conscious "eggless  butterless milkless cake" that many generations of Townsend women,  both Quaker and non-Quaker,  made through the years.  It makes me  wonder what else was on the table of my ancestors, and who were  invited to partake in the family meal, say in the year 1790, after the  Revolutionary War when the country was young and there was much  excitement to be had. A couple of years ago another list I belong to  started a fun thread that went along these lines:  If you could invite  any of your deceased ancestors to your holiday gathering, 1) who would  it be, 2) why would you invite this person in particular, and 3) what  would you ask them that you have been wanting to know about them, or  an aspect of their life? Just choose one ancestor and give a bit of background info (dates,  places, spouse, children, why they may be a mystery) when you answer  the above question - then send it to the list. When I first took part  in this a couple of years ago, it generated quite a bit of new  information for the list and was great holiday fun.  I will contribute  my answer after we all hear from some of you. Blessed holidays to all, Kim Townsend Spangrude On Dec 20, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Sandra Ferguson wrote: >  Friends....as I said to you all earlier, my current health problem > dictates that I  not upset myself unnecessarily at this time, but  I  > have > been made aware, personally, by several of you, that some are  > unhappy with > the list leadership, etc....I am asking that you  remember the  > season and > act accordingly.......fingers crossed, I will again be up to my  > 'fighting > weight' and able to  once more be involved in one of my great > loves....genealogy.... When that day arrives I will visit the  > archives, read > the old posts I have missed, and answer them accordingly.  Till  > then, as > always, post ONLY  things that directly involve genealogy ,  and  > help your > fellow listmembers with their research...  is that so hard to do?  For > goodness sake...it's Christmas! > >            S. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >  with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and  > the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The duties of the list administrator are to manage the list - that means monitor list subscriptions (spam), maintain order (put a cap on anyone who is rude); mainly just to keep an eye on things. There is no requirement to provide helpful hints or help with searching. When posting a query, the subject line should succinctly reflect who you're searching for; give a time frame, a location, and a surname. In the message body, provide as much information as you can to help narrow down the search. Volunteers who search must provide any answers to the ENTIRE list (that means hit "reply to all") - NOT privately - in this manner, all 'found' information is archived and available for folks to search in the future. To search (or browse) the archives you go to Rootsweb.com, select "Mail Lists", then select either search or Threaded ARchives, type in your list name, and go from there. Some list admins do not mind off-topic postings as long as "off-topic" is shown in the subject line - I believe Sandra is quite against any off topic postings. Those of you who have resources that you can search and thus help your fellow listmembers, should post same and offer to do lookups. Remember that the list is not a source, it is a place wherein folks with a common interest gather to exchange information and hopefully help each other. I have a full subscription to Ancestry and would gladly perform lookups for anyone who provides sufficient information. Remember, very few names are unique! (there are even TWO Ima Hogg's in the census records, so there!) My Chester Co. roots go back to Thomas and Margery (Mendenhall) Martin, who arrived in 1685 on the Unicorne. Gail -----Original Message----- From: Billie Gailey [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 4:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PaOldC] List Rules and Thoughts I have been a member of the list for some time. I have acquired some information that I got and have appreciated help from Sandra. I have posted a couple of times but have not received many responses and I thought that I might not have followed correct protocol. I have several lines that came through early Chester County (Clawson, Foulke, Minshall, Charlton, Funk). Since my ancestors were present in eight of the thirteen colonies in varied areas, I'm not devoted to any one list. Moreover, my time with genealogy is limited by the fact that I have to work for a living. Since the list seems to be at a crossroads right now, perhaps someone could address my questions. These questions would enhance my use of the list and may serve others. I'm asking: Exactly, what the rules for posting? What are the duties of the list administrator? Do I just Google the archives or is there a better method to access it? Once someone expresses interest in my question, should I answer he/her privately? If my questions have been recently asked, I apologize. Please bear in mind that everyone cannot read every post every day. Thanks for your consideration. (Ms.) Billie Gailey ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Christina, I found entries for Mahan/Mahon in the series, Delaware Genealogical Abstracts from Newspapers, Edited by Mary Fallon Richards and John C. Richards. They don't contain any of the names you mentioned but Elkton, MD and Mill Creek Hundred, DE are in the vicinity you mentioned. Vol. 1, p. 165 MAHAN, George, Sr. of Milford, formerly a resident of Elkton, MD, 16 Feb 1856 in his 66th yr (26 Feb 1856 p2 col6) [Delaware Gazette] Vol. 2, p. 65 MAHAN George W., senior editor of the Milford Beacon to STOKES, Mary A., dau of Capt Abel STOKES, at the res. of the bride's father, 11 Jun 1854, by Rev. R. Gerry (11 Jul 1854 2, 7) [Delaware Gazette] MAHAN, Jas B., one of the editors of the Milford Beacon to GODWIN, Sarah A D., youngest dau of Rev. Daniel GODWIN of Milford, 11 May 1854, by Rev. Wm L. Gray (23 May 1854 2, 7) [DG] Vol. 3, p. 147 MAHAN, Joseph, of Elkton, to BAILY, Hannah, Miss, 11 May 1820 (DG 17 May 1820) MAHON, Richard, dec'd, late of Mill Creek Hd, NC Co, notice given by James Mendenhall and David Wilson, exec'rs (DG 25 Feb 1834) Vol., 4, p. 118 MAHAN, Clara Hollingsworth, dau of George and Mary MAHAN, 5 Aug 1865, in Phila, aged 1yr 22 days (11 Aug 1871 2 6) [DG] MAHAN, James, Co C, 2nd, d and bur at Andersonville GA (13 Mar 1866 2 4) [DG] MAHON, Charles L., MD, to Emma CLOAK, Emma F., Miss, dau of John Cloak, both of Smyrna DE, 1 Aug 1865, by Rev. Dr. Morsell (18 Aug 1865 3 4) [DG] Donna -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christina Martinez Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 3:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PaOldC] Mahan prior to 1840 PA/MD I am looking for my Mahan line prior to 1840. Given the birth dates of my great grandfather (b.1844)and his 2 brothers I figure his parents, Benjamin and Sarah, were married about 1840. They lived very near the PA/MD border north of Fair Hill Maryland. My great- grandfathers brother, William Reese Mahan(b.1842) died in MD. There are Mahan's in Chester Co. PA. from this period and the younger brother Benjamin Parker Mahan (b.1846)was listed as having been born in PA. and Census information lists fathers birthplace as PA. I believe the william who Married Elizabeth Garrett was probably "family". Would appreciate hearing from anyone who may have lines that tie in. Christina ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maybe it's El Nino or something but 'tis the Season to be jolly and kind and yet there's an incredible amount of nastiness going on. Dora, maybe you didn't mean to sound like you were calling someone else's traditions stupid but that's definitely how it sounded. Milkless, Eggless, Butterless cake is it only flour, sugar and water. Check it out online, there are a ton of recipes for it. Also known as Wartime Cake or Depression Cake it became popular during WWI and WWII because milk, eggs and butter were rationed and hard to get. For anyone who is lactose intolerant or allergic to eggs this is a great cake. There are chocolate versions and versions that look and sound alot like fruitcake to me. BTW: Vegetables deliver more and better calcium to us than milk which gets promoted since so many people drink it anyway. And in countries where milk is not consumed as it is here and in Europe (Japan in particular) there is a much lower rate of breast cancer. So throw out the milk and have some cake ... Kathi Jones-Hudson, National Coordinator Tombstone Transcription Project http://www.usgwtombstones.org/