Hello again sorry to be a bother. But could skp please lookup Enoch PIPER born abt 1831 PA or wife Ellen born abt 1838 PA not sure if Enoch is gone by then or not. Their youngest child (as far as I know was Wm born 1871) Thank you, your all great! Kathy list "mom' for Blinn-L, Brauch-L, Clapper, Figiel-L, Germans-IN-HuntingtonCo-L, Germans-to-Phila-L, Germans-OH-Starkco-L, Hamby-L, Hofmann-L, Holsinger-L, Huther-L, Laughran-L, Loose-L, Paszotta-L, Riley-L, Rupsis-L, Schumacher-L, Sibel-L, Troop-L, Vollmer-L, Wedler-L, Wherity-L homepage http://community.webtv.net/kathy556/DoughertyGordonBaer http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/a/m/Kathryn-R-Hamby-PA/index.html