Did not see any Dilks families on the page before or after William and Elizabeth in 1850. There is a James Dilks (age 56 b. PA) in Philadelphia in 1850, living with Franklin and Mary Foster and children. No other Dilks in this household. Ann/Hannah could have died and James remarried is the reason the one in Gloucester Co. has a different wife. Here are some prospects from 1830... (No "Steel/Steele/Stael" spellings in Gloucester NJ) Saml Stiles Woolwich, Gloucester, New Jersey Samuel Steel Blockley, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania William Steel Penn, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania William Steel Philadelphia Pine Ward, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Wm Steel Philadelphia Upper Delaware Ward, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania James Dilks Deptford, Gloucester, New Jersey James Dilks Deptford, Gloucester, New Jersey James Dilks Jr. Deptford, Gloucester, New Jersey Saml Dilks Jr. Greenwich, Gloucester, New Jersey Saml S Dilks Greenwich, Gloucester, New Jersey (There are two James Dilks listed in Deptford...not a duplication) If you can narrow the field, I'll be happy to send a transcription. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [PA-CENSUS-LOOKUP] Steel - Steele- Stael---1830 -- Phila. ? >> Linda Farmer <[email protected]> >> Re: Steel - Steele- Stael --- 1840 -- Phila. ? >> >> This seems to be the most logical candidate, since William and >> Elizabeth had a son who would be "under 5" in 1840 and a daughter b. in >> 1840. None of the other William Steel/Steele/Stael etc. had a son in >> this age group. >> >> 1840 New Jersey, Gloucester, Hot Spring Roll: 252; Page: 40 > >> William Steel >> 1 male under 5 ((b. after 1835 -- Samuel )) >> 1 male 15-20 ((b. 1820-25 -- my Wm. Jr.)) >> 1 male 20-30 ((b. 1810-1820 -- Wm. Sr. ) >> 1 female under 5 ((b. after 1835 -- Sarah? )) >> 1 female 5-10 ((b. 1830-35)) Mary? >> 1 female 20-30 ((b. 1810-1820 --Eliz. )) > --- > Linda added: Also William and Elizabeth were in Gloucester Co. NJ in 1850. > > > D.: Yes, you found them in 1840! Then, the 1850 has them in Gloucester > County (Franklinville): Steel, William, 37; Elizabeth, 33; Samuel 13; > Sarah 10; Christiana, 5; Thomas 2. Mary should only be 15, but is > apparently out of the nest, as is my Wm. Jr.(If you still have it handy, > are they near any Dilks?) > > In 1860 they were renting in Bridgeton: William Steel 48; Elizabeth, 45; > Samuel 23; Sarah 20; Christiana 16; Thomas 11; Katey 9; my William 7; > Charlie Francis 4 (Steel crossed out - this is Frank Facemire, son of the > Steele daughter Mary Facemire, 25.) > > I'm also looking for James and Ann/Hannah Dilks, parents of Eliz. There > is > a James Dilks in Gloucester County who is old enough to be E's father, but > his wife is not an Ann nor Hannah. > > Moving ahead to 1870, William Sr. was called "Stael" in the Millville > Census: William, 55, Elizabeth, 50, Mary 31 (Facemire/ getting younger > each decade), Samuel 29, Christiana, 22, Thomas, 21, Kate 18, William 16, > Harriet 9, Arana 4, and Frank Facemire, 13. > > We're clear on 1880, too, but when time allows, can you scare up pre-1840? > Is 1830 available for either Glou. County NJ, or SE Pa.? Since the first > son was named Samuel, that may mean Wm. Sr.'s father was a Samuel, or that > could be Eliz. Dilks's father. Thanks immensely, Linda!

Dear Gail, I received your message that was sent on Oct. 5. Have been out of town; sorry for the delay in replying. Phyllis Higgins

Had no luck finding them either. Karen ---- Karen <[email protected]> wrote: > Need help in finding: > > Charles (Kazmierz) Noga, born 1895 in Poland, immigrated in 1913, Riveter in > ShipYard > Wife Mary, born 1892, Poland, Cigar Maker > Children Charles Jr. born abt. 1917 in PA > Laurie born about 1918 in PA > Steven born 1920 in PA > > Address in 1930 census was 730 S. Front Street but I checked that address > for the 1920 and they're not there. Any help would be appreciated. > > Thank you, > Karen > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Message received. Marybeth C. [email protected] ================================================================ In a message dated 10/5/06 10:55:03 PM, [email protected] writes: << Subject: [PA-CENSUS-LOOKUP] message from admin-please respond >>

> Linda Farmer <[email protected]> > Re: Steel - Steele- Stael --- 1840 -- Phila. ? > > This seems to be the most logical candidate, since William and > Elizabeth had a son who would be "under 5" in 1840 and a daughter b. in > 1840. None of the other William Steel/Steele/Stael etc. had a son in > this age group. > > 1840 New Jersey, Gloucester, Hot Spring Roll: 252; Page: 40 > William Steel > 1 male under 5 ((b. after 1835 -- Samuel )) > 1 male 15-20 ((b. 1820-25 -- my Wm. Jr.)) > 1 male 20-30 ((b. 1810-1820 -- Wm. Sr. ) > 1 female under 5 ((b. after 1835 -- Sarah? )) > 1 female 5-10 ((b. 1830-35)) Mary? > 1 female 20-30 ((b. 1810-1820 --Eliz. )) --- Linda added: Also William and Elizabeth were in Gloucester Co. NJ in 1850. D.: Yes, you found them in 1840! Then, the 1850 has them in Gloucester County (Franklinville): Steel, William, 37; Elizabeth, 33; Samuel 13; Sarah 10; Christiana, 5; Thomas 2. Mary should only be 15, but is apparently out of the nest, as is my Wm. Jr.(If you still have it handy, are they near any Dilks?) In 1860 they were renting in Bridgeton: William Steel 48; Elizabeth, 45; Samuel 23; Sarah 20; Christiana 16; Thomas 11; Katey 9; my William 7; Charlie Francis 4 (Steel crossed out - this is Frank Facemire, son of the Steele daughter Mary Facemire, 25.) I'm also looking for James and Ann/Hannah Dilks, parents of Eliz. There is a James Dilks in Gloucester County who is old enough to be E's father, but his wife is not an Ann nor Hannah. Moving ahead to 1870, William Sr. was called "Stael" in the Millville Census: William, 55, Elizabeth, 50, Mary 31 (Facemire/ getting younger each decade), Samuel 29, Christiana, 22, Thomas, 21, Kate 18, William 16, Harriet 9, Arana 4, and Frank Facemire, 13. We're clear on 1880, too, but when time allows, can you scare up pre-1840? Is 1830 available for either Glou. County NJ, or SE Pa.? Since the first son was named Samuel, that may mean Wm. Sr.'s father was a Samuel, or that could be Eliz. Dilks's father. Thanks immensely, Linda! ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.

Need help in finding: Charles (Kazmierz) Noga, born 1895 in Poland, immigrated in 1913, Riveter in ShipYard Wife Mary, born 1892, Poland, Cigar Maker Children Charles Jr. born abt. 1917 in PA Laurie born about 1918 in PA Steven born 1920 in PA Address in 1930 census was 730 S. Front Street but I checked that address for the 1920 and they're not there. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Karen

Count me in. My Steel query was posted and answered, before the cock crowed. All anyone needs to do is look in their "spam" box, then tell your ISP to "delivery to inbox," and that this addy is welcome. It should then sail on through, from now on. ------DD Quoting Coral <[email protected]>: > Responding to message ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.

Messages coming thru with no problem! Anna

This seems to me to be the most logical candidate, since William and Elizabeth had a son who would be "under 5" in 1840 and a daughter b. in 1840. None of the other William Steel/Steele/Stael etc. had a son in this age group. Also William and Elizabeth were in Gloucester Co. NJ in 1850. 1840 New Jersey, Gloucester, Hot Spring Roll: 252; Page: 40 William Steel 1 male under 5 1 male 15-20 1 male 20-30 1 female under 5 1 female 5-10 1 female 20-30 ----- Original Message ----- On Saturday, October 07, 2006 5:19 PM, <[email protected]> writes: > My GG-GF William Steel, also with the above alternative spellings, is in > Cumberland County, NJ for the 1860, 1870 and 1880 census years. He was > born in the 1812-1817 range, somewhere in Pennsylvania. I'm guessing it > would be the Phila. area, since that is the closest to NJ.

My GG-GF William Steel, also with the above alternative spellings, is in Cumberland County, NJ for the 1860, 1870 and 1880 census years. He was born in the 1812-1817 range, somewhere in Pennsylvania. I'm guessing it would be the Phila. area, since that is the closest to NJ. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.

Responding to message ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Steckel" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 7:47 PM Subject: [PA-CENSUS-LOOKUP] message from admin-please respond > Since our list migrated to a new server (or whatever!), list messages have > been way down. I've been investigating and not getting many answers. > Some > say your ISP may see the new messages as spam, others say they may be > blocked. > > Now I have seen my own messages get through to the list, although the last > one was delayed by almost 2 days. So many things have changed, and the > new > admin tools page is not as well laid out as the old one. So, as a test, > I'm > asking each of you to respond to this message, THROUGH THE LIST address, > so > that I can get an idea of how many messages are getting through. > > Thanks for your patience. > Gail > List Admin > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am receiving the digest regularly, albeit not in the MIME mode that I have requested 3 times. Perhaps my messages are not being received at your end? Boots

Received. Thank you.

Gail I hope you get this. I get PA Census Look-up Digest on my Hotmail account as well. So it seems to be going through ok for me. Thanks ~ Lois

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Jeannie, This might be him in the 1910, which shows the same German parentage as the 1880 ... Image a bit faded but knowing it should be HELT// it appears to be; the second 'e' is a bit taller. HEET, CHRISTOPHER (1910 U.S. Census) NEW YORK , ORANGE, DEERPARK Age: 55, Male, Race: WHITE, Born: PA Series: T624 Roll: 1059 Page: 155 Rents home, no street noted, dwelling 70, family 76 Helt, Christopher, head, 55, M3, 5yrs, PA GER GER, Asst Foreman/Rail Road, for wage " , Elizabeth, wife, 51, M2, 5yrs, 9births/2 living, NY HUNG IRE, none Jennifer ----- Original Message ----- From: "JLH" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [PA-CENSUS-LOOKUP] 1880-??????-HELT/HELDT etc > Jeannie, > > Do you have Christie/ee/y in the 1910? > > "Christy" is with son Warren in the 1920, birthplaces NY GER GER, so > perhaps > that could be them in the 1880.... > > HELT, WARREN (1920 U.S. Census) > NEW JERSEY , PASSAIC, 4-WD; PATERSON > Age: 37, Male, Race: WHITE, Born: PA > Series: T625 Roll: 1065 Page: 56 > January 9 & 10, 1920, ED 97, sheet 9B > > Rents, 2nd famiy, at 214 Godwin Street, Dwelling 143, family 200 (of 199 & > 200) > > Helt, Warren, head, 37, M, PA NY NY, Foreman/Rail Road, for wage > " , Catharine, wife, 28, M, NJ ENG NY > " , Christopher W?, son, 9, S, NJ PA NJ > " , Margaret D.?, dau, 8, S, NJ PA NJ > " , Edward J., son, 5, S, NJ PA NJ > Helt, Christy, father, 63, M, NY GER GER, Watchman/Rail Road, for wage > > > 1910 > > HELT, WARREN (1910 U.S. Census) > NEW JERSEY , PASSAIC, 9-WD PATERSON > Age: 26, Male, Race: WHITE, Born: NY > Series: T624 Roll: 907 Page: 77 > > Rents home at 99 Jackson Street > > Helt, Warren, head, 26, M, NY NY NY, Lineman/Street Railway, for wage > " , Catherine, wife, 19, M, NJ ENG NY, House work > > > Jennifer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JLH" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 9:19 AM > Subject: Re: [PA-CENSUS-LOOKUP] 1880-??????-HELT/HELDT etc > > >> Hello Jeannie, >> >> This is the closest I found...and probably a longshot you've already >> seen. >> The 1900 appears to show a marriage of 7 years, perhaps Caroline (35) was >> a >> second wife? she would have been 11 when son John (24) was born. >> >> 1880 >> Christie HELT Self M Female W 24 PA Works On R.R. PRUSSIA >> PRUSSIA >> Mary HELT Wife M Female W 28 PA Keeping House PA PA >> Matilda HELT Dau S Female W 6 PA At School PA PA >> John HELT Son S Male W 2 NY PA PA >> Frank HELT Son S Male W 4M NY PA PA >> >> Source Information: >> Census PlaceRamapo, Rockland, New York >> Family History Library Film 1254924 >> NA Film Number T9-0924 >> Page Number 238B >> >> Jennifer >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "jeanie stout" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 8:03 AM >> Subject: [PA-CENSUS-LOOKUP] 1880-??????-HELT/HELDT etc >> >> >>>I found a John HELT in 1900 census for Theo HELT also a family name of my >>>own. >>> >>> I can not get back into 1880 with them . >>> >>> Can any one help find this same family in 1880 that I found below. >>> >>> >>> Serial T623 roll 1481 page 94B >>> >>> June 1900 >>> Matamoras Westfall Pike CO PA >>> Christer HELT March 1859 born in PA as were his folks occupation R R >>> grade walker >>> Caroline HELT June 1864 born in New Jersey as were her folks >>> She has 7 children -6 alive >>> John HELT age 24 Sept 1875 >>> Frank HELT 1878 -RR rail layer >>> Warren HELT 1881- R R rail layer >>> Alfred HELT - 1884 >>> >>> Thank you >>> Jeanie >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Stay in the know. 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Jeannie, Do you have Christie/ee/y in the 1910? "Christy" is with son Warren in the 1920, birthplaces NY GER GER, so perhaps that could be them in the 1880.... HELT, WARREN (1920 U.S. Census) NEW JERSEY , PASSAIC, 4-WD; PATERSON Age: 37, Male, Race: WHITE, Born: PA Series: T625 Roll: 1065 Page: 56 January 9 & 10, 1920, ED 97, sheet 9B Rents, 2nd famiy, at 214 Godwin Street, Dwelling 143, family 200 (of 199 & 200) Helt, Warren, head, 37, M, PA NY NY, Foreman/Rail Road, for wage " , Catharine, wife, 28, M, NJ ENG NY " , Christopher W?, son, 9, S, NJ PA NJ " , Margaret D.?, dau, 8, S, NJ PA NJ " , Edward J., son, 5, S, NJ PA NJ Helt, Christy, father, 63, M, NY GER GER, Watchman/Rail Road, for wage 1910 HELT, WARREN (1910 U.S. Census) NEW JERSEY , PASSAIC, 9-WD PATERSON Age: 26, Male, Race: WHITE, Born: NY Series: T624 Roll: 907 Page: 77 Rents home at 99 Jackson Street Helt, Warren, head, 26, M, NY NY NY, Lineman/Street Railway, for wage " , Catherine, wife, 19, M, NJ ENG NY, House work Jennifer ----- Original Message ----- From: "JLH" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [PA-CENSUS-LOOKUP] 1880-??????-HELT/HELDT etc > Hello Jeannie, > > This is the closest I found...and probably a longshot you've already seen. > The 1900 appears to show a marriage of 7 years, perhaps Caroline (35) was > a > second wife? she would have been 11 when son John (24) was born. > > 1880 > Christie HELT Self M Female W 24 PA Works On R.R. PRUSSIA PRUSSIA > Mary HELT Wife M Female W 28 PA Keeping House PA PA > Matilda HELT Dau S Female W 6 PA At School PA PA > John HELT Son S Male W 2 NY PA PA > Frank HELT Son S Male W 4M NY PA PA > > Source Information: > Census PlaceRamapo, Rockland, New York > Family History Library Film 1254924 > NA Film Number T9-0924 > Page Number 238B > > Jennifer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jeanie stout" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 8:03 AM > Subject: [PA-CENSUS-LOOKUP] 1880-??????-HELT/HELDT etc > > >>I found a John HELT in 1900 census for Theo HELT also a family name of my >>own. >> >> I can not get back into 1880 with them . >> >> Can any one help find this same family in 1880 that I found below. >> >> >> Serial T623 roll 1481 page 94B >> >> June 1900 >> Matamoras Westfall Pike CO PA >> Christer HELT March 1859 born in PA as were his folks occupation R R >> grade walker >> Caroline HELT June 1864 born in New Jersey as were her folks >> She has 7 children -6 alive >> John HELT age 24 Sept 1875 >> Frank HELT 1878 -RR rail layer >> Warren HELT 1881- R R rail layer >> Alfred HELT - 1884 >> >> Thank you >> Jeanie >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 557 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 557 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Hello Jeannie, This is the closest I found...and probably a longshot you've already seen. The 1900 appears to show a marriage of 7 years, perhaps Caroline (35) was a second wife? she would have been 11 when son John (24) was born. 1880 Christie HELT Self M Female W 24 PA Works On R.R. PRUSSIA PRUSSIA Mary HELT Wife M Female W 28 PA Keeping House PA PA Matilda HELT Dau S Female W 6 PA At School PA PA John HELT Son S Male W 2 NY PA PA Frank HELT Son S Male W 4M NY PA PA Source Information: Census PlaceRamapo, Rockland, New York Family History Library Film 1254924 NA Film Number T9-0924 Page Number 238B Jennifer ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeanie stout" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 8:03 AM Subject: [PA-CENSUS-LOOKUP] 1880-??????-HELT/HELDT etc >I found a John HELT in 1900 census for Theo HELT also a family name of my >own. > > I can not get back into 1880 with them . > > Can any one help find this same family in 1880 that I found below. > > > Serial T623 roll 1481 page 94B > > June 1900 > Matamoras Westfall Pike CO PA > Christer HELT March 1859 born in PA as were his folks occupation R R > grade walker > Caroline HELT June 1864 born in New Jersey as were her folks > She has 7 children -6 alive > John HELT age 24 Sept 1875 > Frank HELT 1878 -RR rail layer > Warren HELT 1881- R R rail layer > Alfred HELT - 1884 > > Thank you > Jeanie > > > > --------------------------------- > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 557 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Thanks to all who responded. At least now I know things seem to be ok. Remember, if you ever have any problems, be sure to let me know. Gail -----Original Message----- From: Teresa Delikat [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 8:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PA-CENSUS-LOOKUP] message from admin-please respond Received! Teresa D. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found a John HELT in 1900 census for Theo HELT also a family name of my own. I can not get back into 1880 with them . Can any one help find this same family in 1880 that I found below. Serial T623 roll 1481 page 94B June 1900 Matamoras Westfall Pike CO PA Christer HELT March 1859 born in PA as were his folks occupation R R grade walker Caroline HELT June 1864 born in New Jersey as were her folks She has 7 children -6 alive John HELT age 24 Sept 1875 Frank HELT 1878 -RR rail layer Warren HELT 1881- R R rail layer Alfred HELT - 1884 Thank you Jeanie --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.