In today's post there was a note that the Ozments came from Maryland to Guilford Co. ,NC. In tracing my ggrandfather, I found he married Lucinda Ozment in Guilford county May 16, 1832. She was born approx. 1814. I have been unable to find definitive information about either Lucinda's parents or my ggrandfather's. Does anybody have a source of info about the Ozments in Guilford and surrounding area at that time in history? Ivan Lamb OZMENT-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > OZMENT-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 43 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [OZMENT] Re: James H., etc. [EleanorCol@aol.com] > #2 Re: [OZMENT] Re: James H., etc. [LonRMartin@aol.com] > #3 [OZMENT] Letter from John Ozment [LonRMartin@aol.com] > #4 [OZMENT] More from the letter [LonRMartin@aol.com] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from OZMENT-D, send a message to > > OZMENT-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > To contact the OZMENT-D list administrator, send mail to > OZMENT-admin@rootsweb.com. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [OZMENT] Re: James H., etc. > Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:22:26 EDT > From: EleanorCol@aol.com > To: OZMENT-L@rootsweb.com > > In a message dated 10/06/2000 12:46:06 PM Central Daylight Time, > LonRMartin@aol.com writes: > > << > Greetings, cousins > I have finally gotten around to writing John Ozment. He has given me=20 > permission to send to the group. I hope everyone is doing well. It has > been=20 > kind of quiet lately. > I know the group will appreciate the information below. > We sure do have some nice relatives!!! > Sincerely, > Lon > >> > Wow Lon! Thanks for all of this. It's going to take me awhile to decipher > it all. Which John Ozment is this from? Is this the one that no one has > been able to find? Would he let me include information in the Ozment file > online? > > I have never heard of Martha being a Madison before! And I don't think I > have heard about New Orleans being a possible port of entry before. I sure > would like to have some discussion on the list about this because I am > confused to say the least. > > Thanks so much, > Eleanor Colson > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [OZMENT] Re: James H., etc. > Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 15:39:55 EDT > From: LonRMartin@aol.com > To: OZMENT-L@rootsweb.com > > In a message dated 10/6/00 1:24:49 PM Central Daylight Time, > EleanorCol@aol.com writes: > > > Wow Lon! Thanks for all of this. It's going to take me awhile to decipher > > it all. Which John Ozment is this from? Is this the one that no one has > > been able to find? Would he let me include information in the Ozment file > > online? > > > > I have never heard of Martha being a Madison before! And I don't think I > > have heard about New Orleans being a possible port of entry before. I > sure > > would like to have some discussion on the list about this because I am > > confused to say the least. > > > > Thanks so much, > > Eleanor Colson > > Hi, Eleanor!! > This is the John Ozment from California. I know that he knows Dwight and > Evelyn. He has sent me some more things that are just as interesting but I > did not want to give too much at one time. I thought it would be best to let > all this "digest" before giving the rest. > The part about James coming to New Orleans was in an article written by > Jimmie Fox. I have it. I will have to type into the computer for you. It was > an interview by Arthur Jolley again. Jolley does contradict himself. > I have also the history of Billy Eddins re his service in the Revolutionary > War. He was born in this country. He never came over from France with > Lafayette. Of course, most people have already admitted to knowing this. > Also, Billy was not educated so I don't see how he could have taught in an > Indian school? His papers are signed by an x so he could not read or write. I > am afraid that Jolley had an imagination and never would have dreamt that > people nowadays can find information very easily over the internet. I do know > that he contributed a lot to the family and he was the man at the time that > knew the most (and I think he took advantage of this), although several > things were erroneous. At least he got us thinking about our families and us > wanting to know the "truth" about them. > I am writing John back about his latest email to me. He has to write to me > from work and he has told me he doesn't have a lot of time now for research > or anything else. He has two boys and is taking care of his mother who had a > stroke. I will ask him if you may publish it online. I am pretty sure he will > let you do that. I don't really want to give his email address becasue he is > so busy. You can understand that. > I will be back in touch with you soon and he has already given me permission > to share everything he writes to me, so you will know everything he sends me. > John has certainly got me kickstarted back into genealogy. Especially in this > cold weather it is nice to be able to do something interesting in the house > and start "researching" again. As you can see he has done tremendous research > and I am certain he can get us on track again without us making too many more > errors. > I have not forgotten how much you shared freely with me and I still > appreciate more as the years go by. Thank you again. Keep up the good work > and we all do appreciate the Ozment list and your website. You have made > things a lot easier for us to keep in touch. > Take care, > Lon > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [OZMENT] Letter from John Ozment > Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 15:52:31 EDT > From: LonRMartin@aol.com > To: OZMENT-L@rootsweb.com > > > 3 October 2000 > > > > Dear Lon, > > > > I have the following four items from Sheila Branham. > > branham90@yahoo.com > > ____________________ > > > > Item One: > > > > My line from Robert Ozment, Sr., is: > > Robert Shelby Ozment, Sr., married 2nd wife Susan Stewart. > > Robert S. Ozment, Jr. 3/29/1888 - 8/20/1974, married 1st wife > > Lucy T. Wolfe 1/31/1887 - 8/24/1908 (died in childbirth with > > a son); married second wife Emma Orella Glennon and had 6 > > children, one of which is my grandmother, Bernice Oleta > > Ozment 4/7/1919 - 10/29/1997. She married Wm Burl Brown. My > > father is Johnny Brown, married Edna Kay McMurry. I am > > Sheila Brown Branham 6/11/1971, married Michael Sean > > Branham. I have a brother named David, and I have 2 > > children. > > ____________________ > > > > Item Two: > > > > Among the notes left at her (Drew County) historical society by Rebecca > > (DeArmond) was a hand written page on a blank piece of paper from the > Bible > > of Mrs. Eula Mae Harris. I’ll start from the bottom. > > > > William Perice Harris b. 1866 in AR > > Eula Mae Simpson b. 1901 in AR > > > > Father Samuel Simpson b 1865 in LA > > Mother Lucindy Ozment b 1863 in AR > > > > Grandfather James G Ozment b 1823 in TN > > Grandmother Rachel Ozment b 1835 in TN > > > > G-Grandfather James Henry Ozment, Jr . b 1793 in NC > > G-Grandmother Elizabeth Eddings b 1795 in SC > > > > GG-Grandfather James Henry Ozment, Sr. b 1755 in England > > GG-Grandmother Martha Arden (Madison) b 1757 in NC > > > > GGG-Grandfather John Ozment b 1733 in England > > GGG-Grandmother Rachel Eaton b 1734 in England > > > > GGGG-Grandfather Robert Ozment b 1710 in England > > GGGG-Grandmother Norma Jean Wilson b 1712 in England > > > > Rebecca DeArmond wrote a book entitled, “Old Times Not > > Forgotten: A History of Drew County.” Have you heard of > > it? Her gggg-grandfather was also Alfred Ozment. She did > > lots of interviews and family group sheets and donated them > > to the Drew County Historical Society. They have her book > > there for sale, and I highly recommend it. > > > > The address is: Drew County Historical Society, 404 S Main St., > Monticello, > > > > AR 71655, 870-367-7446. > > ____________________ > > > > Item Three: > > > > R.S., Jr’s son Alfred has a daughter named Cindy who is supposed to be in > > possession of a Bible. I can’t seem to get a copy of the pages. YET! I > did > > find in my grandmother’s box (Oleta) a copy of a “Births” page that I can > > only assume went in that Bible. It begins with ... > > > > Robert Ozment was born the 12 of October 1820 > > Susan Stuard was born the 25 of March 1849 > > Alpherd (Alfred) Riley Ozment was born July the 18 1881 > > Jimmie Ozment was bornd March the 29 1883 > > Elmira Ozment was bornd the 5 of November the 1886 > > Robert Ozment was born the 29? of March 1888 > > Therefore, I don’t know for sure if this was Sr. or Jr. Bible. > > > > R.S. Sr. headstone does read 1828. The 1820 date is what > > it states in the Bible record though. Who knows? > > > > Cindy, the one with the Bible, lives in TX I think. > > ____________________ > > > > Item Four: > > > > Another great article that can be obtained from the historical society is > > titled “Did You Know That?” (11/23/1960) The article is by Jimmie Fox, > but > > the narrative is mostly from Arthur Jolley. One little piece says, “There > > were three of the Ozments brothers who came to New Orleans from England. > > One remained in New Orleans while Alfred and James H. made their way to > > South Carolina, where James H. Ozment married Elizabeth Eddings. Soon > after > > > > all moved to Wilson County, Tenn., which is about the center of the state, > > and here Alfred Ozment married Nancy Lane and the two brothers reared > their > > children” Interesting? Who knows? > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [OZMENT] More from the letter > Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 15:54:07 EDT > From: LonRMartin@aol.com > To: OZMENT-L@rootsweb.com > > May I say that the Eula Mae Harris Bible, although I have not yet sought to > > procure a copy, is probably all in one handwriting, given the fact that > > there are so many generations given, and all without months and years. The > > Bibles that I have seen usually have only two or three generations and are > > in one to three different handwritings. It would seem likely that she > > obtained information from Mr. Arthur Jolley at one point. > > > > The late Lamar White of Midvale, Utah, conducted a taped interview with > > Arthur Jolley in 1966. It was Lamar’s impression that, while Mr. Jolley > did > > the best he could, nonetheless much of what he said was not true, although > > he interspersed bits here and there which were largely correct. > > > > The same basic outline of E.M. Harris’ Bible was extracted by Lamar from > his > > > > interview with Mr. Jolley. > > > > Dwight Ozment of Richmond, Virginia, has interviewed Winifred Johnson of > > Mesa, Arizona. Her grandfather began relating his family history to her > some > > > > 70 years ago in Texas. She had contact with Mr. Jolley, too. As a result, > > her recollections are tainted by the Jolley narrative to the point where > > Dwight had to concede that Winifred, at times, could not separate those > > facts obtained by her grandfather from those stories related to her by Mr. > > Jolley. There is much of value in her knowledge of the Texas Ozments, > which > > trace back to John Jasper Ozment (b. ca. 1798-99, NC) and his father > Robert > > Lafayette of MS (b. ca. 1779). She grew up with Gene Autry and his mother, > > Elnora Ozment. Their line has female Morgans and Fraziers, which contain > > Indian blood. She told me that her grandfather had told her that Robert L. > > Ozment was also a brother of my Alfred Ozment (b. late 1804-1877), and > that > > Alfred had a diary of family descendancy information, which sadly had > never > > been rediscovered. > > > > Arthur Jolley’s narrative is filled with improbabilities. > > > > One time it states that James H. Ozment, Sr., and Billy Eddings landed in > > Charleston, SC, with Lafayette, and apparently in another version states > > that they landed in New Orleans. > > > > James H. Ozment (1793-1861) was in New Orleans, Louisiana, for a couple of > > years, around 1844. The book in the Santa Clara, CA, Library on the army > of > > Gen. Lafayette has a Jean Osmond of Caen, France, among his men. > > > > At one time, the narrative has Billy Eddings marrying White Fawn or > > Elizabeth, the daughter of Chief Keoto. (I think I remember that he > married > > Rebecca Chandler of Laurens Co., SC.) It has James H., Sr., marrying > Martha > > Arden, the daughter of Chief Keoto’s brother. After leaving SC, James H., > > Sr., and Billy taught at an Indian mission school in Robeson County, NC > > (which was still part of Bladen County until 1787), where they married > their > > > > princesses. The Harris Bible has her as Martha Arden (Madison). > > > > There was a (James) Madison Ozment, a son of Jonathan Ozment. There was, > > also, a Martha A. Ozment, the firstborn child / daughter of Robert S. and > > Caroline Ozment. > > > > According to Lamar White’s tape, Mr. Jolley’s son supposedly obtained > > information from the Bureau of Indian Affairs, which said BIA related to > me > > that they don’t have records more that 40 years old. All older documents > are > > > > forwarded to the National Archives, which said NARA related to me that > they > > had no such documents as Mr. Jolley’s son purported, in that they have no > > records for dissipated and unamalgamated tribes, especially of that > vintage > > and in that area. So where did this information originate? > > > > There were a few dissipating reservations in Dorchester Co., MD, in the > > 1780s, when my John Ozment (1763-1842+) would've married, ca. 1785. They > > were Nanticoke, Choptank, etc. of the Delaware (Algonquin stock). The > > Indians of Robeson Co., NC, would likely have been Catawba. > > > > I have never seen a James H. Ozment, Sr., from Robeson Co., NC. The paper > > trail clearly shows that the Ozments came from Talbot Co., MD, to Caroline > > Co., MD, to Guilford Co., NC, and from thence to Wilson Co., TN. > > > > Robert L. (ca. 1779) was probably born in MD, and he was probably a son of > > Thomas Ozment, Jr., (1749, MD - ) who married Rachel (Mrs. Bradbury > > Sylvester) in 1778. > > > > Richard (D.) Ozment, Jr., (1759, MD - 1830+, TN) probably had twin boys in > > 1780, Manlove and Howard (both 70 in 1850, NC). > > > > Robert L. was probably too old to have been a brother of my Alfred (late > > 1804, NC - 1877, AR), who had brothers Eli (1786, NC - 1850+, TN), James > H. > > (1793, NC - 1861, AR), and Richard S. (1800, NC - 1866, IL). Greenbury > > Ozment (1805, NC - 1850+, TN) was probably not Alfred’s brother, even > though > > > > they both married in Nashville a year apart. > > > > Let us just retire this Jolley narrative to family folklore, until such > time > > > > as some hard evidence to the contrary surfaces. > > > > Apropos of my previous e-mail to you, I thought to append my thoughts on > > Richard Osment (1718, MD - 1751+, MD) and his unknown wife. > > > > Richard Ozment, Sr., (1737, MD - 1817, NC) had a Richard (D.) Ozment, Jr., > > (1759, MD - 1830+, TN) Could the initial stand for Davis, and represent > the > > surname of Richard Osment’s wife? (E.g.: Ozment acquaintances of Hannah > > Oldham Davis Edge ... Elizabeth Davis Wise ... etc.) > > > > The 1733 Talbot Co., MD, tax list had one Osment male of 16 years or older > > paying the tax. Therefore, 1733 - 15 = 1718, the birth year of Richard > > Osment, who would’ve married at 18, in 1736. > > > > His son, Richard Ozment, was born in 1737. He was probably 21 by January > > 1759 (will witness of Hannah Edge). Therefore, 1758 - 21 = 1737, also. > > Richard would’ve married Rachel at age 18 or 19, in 1755 or 1756. > > Alternately spelled, Richard Osmond, Jr., appeared on three inventory debt > > lists in 1757 (along with his uncle Thomas Osmond), including that of the > > late William Alexander. Richard Osment (1718-1751+) appeared as next of > kin, > > > > along with his brother, Thomas Osment, and his nephew, George Gibson (son > of > > > > Elinor Osment Gibson), on the 1751 inventory of his father, John Osment. > > > > In Sept. 1749, Richard Bennett bequeathed a land tract called “Neglect” > to > > two of the sons of John Osment, deceased, who were Thomas Osment (ca. > > 1725-1758) and John Osment (1728-1822). It would transfer to John, if > Thomas > > > > had no issue. > > > > But, Thomas had issue: Thomas, Jr., Priscilla (Jr.), and Jonathan. > > > > In 1793, John Osman (54) gave a deposition to the Land Commissioners. > Thus, > > he was born in 1739, and most likely was a brother of Richard (1737). > > > > Thus, the 1790 MD census had Thomas (Jr.), Jonathan, “old” John, and John > > (son of 1718 Richard). > > > > Old John’s son, John Osman (1756, MD - 1822, NY), moved to Montgomery Co., > > NY, after the Rev. War (per his pension application), where he died in > 1822, > > > > leaving a son, John Osman. Old John died in 1822 at the age of 94 (will) > or > > 96 (newspaper). > > > > John and Cornelia (Morton) Osment had: Elinor Osment Gibson (ca. > > 1712-1734+), Richard Osment (1718-1751+), Edward Osmond (ca. 1721-1750s+), > > Thomas (ca. 1725-1758), and John (1728-1822). > > > > John Osman / Osment (ca. 1683-by 9/1749) had been born in Portsmouth, > > Hampshire, England in 1783 (christened in 1784). > > > > Cornelia (ca. 1690-by 1740) had been born in Virginia in about 1690. Her > > father, Robert Morton, first bought land in Talbot Co., MD, in 1700, with > a > > wife of a different name than was in his 1721 will and inventory. He was > 30 > > in 1683, when he was apprenticed for 4 years in Virginia. He was born in > > Caddington, Bedford (1653). > >