thanks lon i appreciate the answer, i just didn't understand what this was all about. i need to get all my ozment's out and take a look, it has been awhile since i have been able to do anything. the james clinton ozment clan is planning a reunion here in california in the spring, this is going to be lots of fun, since it has been so long since we have seen each other. seems like only at funeral's. so we decided that we needed to day just to be happy and celebrate being an ozment and or like me an ozment in-law or out-law!! take care you are doing great work jackie carroll ozment