Hi again I must have missed the part where you said he was a lodger for the ten years prior to the conviction, clearly he could not have served in the Army or Navy and still lived as a lodger for ten years So as far as I can see he could not have received a pension from the Army or Navy at least Coupled with the fact that he admitted to the theft and had the ladies purse on him, so as far as I can see he was trying to cover his trail and made the story up about the pension In the newspaper report she states that he had been a lodger with her for about ten years, so he could not have served in either service To the best of my knowledge there were no other pensions available in the period unless he had been left provision in a will perhaps and called it a pension, but why say he collected it from the barracks? Given the amount of times he is in the papers being found drunk and disorderly it sounds as if he was a consummate liar The Salvation Army had nothing at all to do with the Army itself Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/06/2012 16:08, Mrs Carole Skidmore wrote: > Hello Nivard, > Many thanks for your speedy reply and all your interest and help. That's > good to know that military service might still be a possibility but, like > you, I haven't found any records through the ancestry-site I subscribe to. > > I found the case reported in 'Jackson's Oxford Journal' (Issue 6727) and > also the 'Oxford Times', both dated 18 Feb 1882. > > 3xGt-Grandma was Amy (not, as reported, Emily) Cummins who said Geo Hry > ANDREWS had been her lodger for the previous 9/10 years - which is why > military service and pension seemed so unlikely to me. It's at Amy's > address where Geo Hry was also found in the 1871 & 1881 censuses. > > I mentioned the Salvation Army as it was the only other sort of barracks > that came to mind! I even wondered if the Sally Ann had been the forerunner > to the Post Office counter for paying out pensions - military ones or > otherwise! > > That is very interesting that military pensions could be forfeited. I think > that this court-case was Geo Hry's 3rd, 4th or 5th - so was there a maximum > number of times that you could be convicted before you lost your pension > and, then, was it lost forever? By the time Geo Hry was in his mid-30s he'd > been convicted 16 times. > > Do you know of any online sites which explains military pensions for > post-1870? > > Again, many thanks, > Best wishes, > Carole

Even though he was described as a lodged doesn't necessarily preclude him from service at the same time. His lodgings could have been kept open during the period he was serving and used on leave etc. The National Archives has a research guide on tracing army pension records. The Salvation Army is a religious organization and so would not have had any role in military or government dealings. On Jun 26, 2012 9:55 AM, "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: > Hi again > > I must have missed the part where you said he was a lodger for the ten > years prior to the conviction, clearly he could not have served in the > Army or Navy and still lived as a lodger for ten years > > So as far as I can see he could not have received a pension from the > Army or Navy at least > > Coupled with the fact that he admitted to the theft and had the ladies > purse on him, so as far as I can see he was trying to cover his trail > and made the story up about the pension > > In the newspaper report she states that he had been a lodger with her > for about ten years, so he could not have served in either service > > To the best of my knowledge there were no other pensions available in > the period unless he had been left provision in a will perhaps and > called it a pension, but why say he collected it from the barracks? > > Given the amount of times he is in the papers being found drunk and > disorderly it sounds as if he was a consummate liar > > The Salvation Army had nothing at all to do with the Army itself > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > On 26/06/2012 16:08, Mrs Carole Skidmore wrote: > > Hello Nivard, > > Many thanks for your speedy reply and all your interest and help. That's > > good to know that military service might still be a possibility but, like > > you, I haven't found any records through the ancestry-site I subscribe > to. > > > > I found the case reported in 'Jackson's Oxford Journal' (Issue 6727) and > > also the 'Oxford Times', both dated 18 Feb 1882. > > > > 3xGt-Grandma was Amy (not, as reported, Emily) Cummins who said Geo Hry > > ANDREWS had been her lodger for the previous 9/10 years - which is why > > military service and pension seemed so unlikely to me. It's at Amy's > > address where Geo Hry was also found in the 1871 & 1881 censuses. > > > > I mentioned the Salvation Army as it was the only other sort of barracks > > that came to mind! I even wondered if the Sally Ann had been the > forerunner > > to the Post Office counter for paying out pensions - military ones or > > otherwise! > > > > That is very interesting that military pensions could be forfeited. I > think > > that this court-case was Geo Hry's 3rd, 4th or 5th - so was there a > maximum > > number of times that you could be convicted before you lost your pension > > and, then, was it lost forever? By the time Geo Hry was in his mid-30s > he'd > > been convicted 16 times. > > > > Do you know of any online sites which explains military pensions for > > post-1870? > > > > Again, many thanks, > > Best wishes, > > Carole > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Oxfordshire FHS "wills library" is at http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/, > with references to 47,347 people and 3,980 testators. Can you offer a will? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >