There is still of course one Hicks wholesale greengrocery business in Oxford. (Unless my memory is playing tricks, I think there were two retail shops until about 20 years ago.) Cheers, Bob Cowley --------------- On Sep 16 2012, D Taylor wrote: >I wonder if some one can shed some light onto a mystery concerning two >branches of my family living in Oxford between the 1851 and 1861 >census returns? > >The first is a Henry Hicks whose father, Paul Hicks a grocer in >Oxford, died in 1839 leaving his business to him. >This is reflected in the 1841 and 1851 census returns. >The 1861 census has him in the workhouse where he spent the rest of >his life until his death in1893. > >The second concerns Henry Hicks' cousin, Thomas Joy,whose father >William Joy (Henry Hicks' uncle) died in 1847. >William Joy was a tailor and son Thomas,together with his brother >Alfred,took over the family business. >This is reflected in the 1851 census. >The 1861 census has Thomas,no longer a tailor,living in London. >The 1871 census has him as a temporary clerk at a Post Office in London. >No sign of Alfred > >Is it just a coincidence that these two businesses failed or did >something happen in Oxford during this period to cause a down turn in >the economy? >The effects of the Crimea War perhaps? > >Peter Taylor >Glossop >Derbyshire > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. > > See www.ofhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from > the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message

Thank you Wendy and Bob for your input,both of which I'll try and follow up on. Regarding Wendy's suggestion that Alfred Joy may have gone to Australia is interesting. I looked up the Heritage Search as suggested and it seems that Alfred Joy wrote a dairy,a copy of which is held by Oxford Heritage This could perhaps answer my query as to what happened to the family tailoring business in that he has given his reason for moving from Oxford to Melbourne. As I live in Derbyshire and as such it is difficult for me to look at this diary is there some kind soul out there who could have a look for me? Regards Peter Taylor Glossop On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Bob Cowley <bob@theideafactory.co.uk> wrote: > There is still of course one Hicks wholesale greengrocery business in > Oxford. (Unless my memory is playing tricks, I think there were two retail > shops until about 20 years ago.) > > Cheers, > > Bob Cowley > --------------- > > On Sep 16 2012, D Taylor wrote: > >>I wonder if some one can shed some light onto a mystery concerning two >>branches of my family living in Oxford between the 1851 and 1861 >>census returns? >> >>The first is a Henry Hicks whose father, Paul Hicks a grocer in >>Oxford, died in 1839 leaving his business to him. >>This is reflected in the 1841 and 1851 census returns. >>The 1861 census has him in the workhouse where he spent the rest of >>his life until his death in1893. >> >>The second concerns Henry Hicks' cousin, Thomas Joy,whose father >>William Joy (Henry Hicks' uncle) died in 1847. >>William Joy was a tailor and son Thomas,together with his brother >>Alfred,took over the family business. >>This is reflected in the 1851 census. >>The 1861 census has Thomas,no longer a tailor,living in London. >>The 1871 census has him as a temporary clerk at a Post Office in London. >>No sign of Alfred >> >>Is it just a coincidence that these two businesses failed or did >>something happen in Oxford during this period to cause a down turn in >>the economy? >>The effects of the Crimea War perhaps? >> >>Peter Taylor >>Glossop >>Derbyshire >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. >> >> See www.ofhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from >> the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with >> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >> the message > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. > > See www.ofhs.org.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter does your local library give you access on line to the British Library 19th Century Newspapers? Have had a browse through Jackson's Oxford Journal and cannot find an obituary for Henry Hicks but did find couple of items for Alfred and Thomas Joy: text as in article: Notice is hereby given that the partnership heretofore existing between us the undersigned Thomas Joy and Alfred Joy' of the City of Oxford, carrying on the business or trade of tailors and robe makers under the firm "Thomas and Alfred Joy", was, as and from the 31 day of December last, dissolved by mutual consent dated first day of February 1853. Thomas Joy, Alfred Joy. extract from article: a notice in 1850 listed the latest local business's subscriptions to fund Wash Houses and Public Baths in Oxford - Thomas and Alfred Joy contributed £1 1s. Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Bob Cowley Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 12:17 PM To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OXF] Henry Hicks & Thomas Joy 1850s Oxford There is still of course one Hicks wholesale greengrocery business in Oxford. (Unless my memory is playing tricks, I think there were two retail shops until about 20 years ago.) Cheers, Bob Cowley --------------- On Sep 16 2012, D Taylor wrote: >I wonder if some one can shed some light onto a mystery concerning two >branches of my family living in Oxford between the 1851 and 1861 >census returns? > >The first is a Henry Hicks whose father, Paul Hicks a grocer in >Oxford, died in 1839 leaving his business to him. >This is reflected in the 1841 and 1851 census returns. >The 1861 census has him in the workhouse where he spent the rest of >his life until his death in1893. > >The second concerns Henry Hicks' cousin, Thomas Joy,whose father >William Joy (Henry Hicks' uncle) died in 1847. >William Joy was a tailor and son Thomas,together with his brother >Alfred,took over the family business. >This is reflected in the 1851 census. >The 1861 census has Thomas,no longer a tailor,living in London. >The 1871 census has him as a temporary clerk at a Post Office in London. >No sign of Alfred > >Is it just a coincidence that these two businesses failed or did >something happen in Oxford during this period to cause a down turn in >the economy? >The effects of the Crimea War perhaps? > >Peter Taylor >Glossop >Derbyshire > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. > > See www.ofhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from > the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. See www.ofhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wendy, Many thanks for that. I do have access to on line British Library 19th century newspaper through my Lancashire Library membership and have found and copied the references you have given me. Regarding Henry Hicks,I have a copy of his death certificate and he died in the workhouse in 1893 having been an inmate for the last 30 odd years of his life. The mystery being the reason for his downfall which as yet I have been unable to resolve. Peter On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Wendy King <wendyking37@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Peter does your local library give you access on line to the British > Library 19th Century Newspapers? > > Have had a browse through Jackson's Oxford Journal and cannot find an > obituary for Henry Hicks but did find couple of items for Alfred and Thomas > Joy: > > text as in article: > > Notice is hereby given that the partnership heretofore existing between us > the undersigned Thomas Joy and Alfred Joy' of the City of Oxford, carrying > on the business or trade of tailors and robe makers under the firm "Thomas > and Alfred Joy", was, as and from the 31 day of December last, dissolved by > mutual consent dated first day of February 1853. Thomas Joy, Alfred Joy. > > extract from article: a notice in 1850 listed the latest local business's > subscriptions to fund Wash Houses and Public Baths in Oxford - Thomas and > Alfred Joy contributed £1 1s. > > > Wendy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Cowley > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 12:17 PM > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [OXF] Henry Hicks & Thomas Joy 1850s Oxford > > There is still of course one Hicks wholesale greengrocery business in > Oxford. (Unless my memory is playing tricks, I think there were two retail > shops until about 20 years ago.) > > Cheers, > > Bob Cowley > --------------- > > On Sep 16 2012, D Taylor wrote: > >>I wonder if some one can shed some light onto a mystery concerning two >>branches of my family living in Oxford between the 1851 and 1861 >>census returns? >> >>The first is a Henry Hicks whose father, Paul Hicks a grocer in >>Oxford, died in 1839 leaving his business to him. >>This is reflected in the 1841 and 1851 census returns. >>The 1861 census has him in the workhouse where he spent the rest of >>his life until his death in1893. >> >>The second concerns Henry Hicks' cousin, Thomas Joy,whose father >>William Joy (Henry Hicks' uncle) died in 1847. >>William Joy was a tailor and son Thomas,together with his brother >>Alfred,took over the family business. >>This is reflected in the 1851 census. >>The 1861 census has Thomas,no longer a tailor,living in London. >>The 1871 census has him as a temporary clerk at a Post Office in London. >>No sign of Alfred >> >>Is it just a coincidence that these two businesses failed or did >>something happen in Oxford during this period to cause a down turn in >>the economy? >>The effects of the Crimea War perhaps? >> >>Peter Taylor >>Glossop >>Derbyshire >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. >> >> See www.ofhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from >> the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with >> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >> the message > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. > > See www.ofhs.org.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. > > See www.ofhs.org.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you google Alfred + Joy + Oxford you get a couple of references to his his diary in the information line for it states he was a Freeman of Oxford a link to a book 'Through Australian Eyes' which talks about his house a two bedroom iron structure, says he arrived as ' a relatively affluent 30 year old gentleman and found employment as an auctioneer in partnership with an acquaintance called Alfred BLISS and he called his house in Melbourne Oxford Lodge. Wendy