Hi Eileen It may help others to help you if you tell us her name as found in the census you have and what name she died under Preferably with the census reference Ah I see you have posted on the same subject before <http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/oxfordshire/2009-01/1231451641> Are those details still correct (bar the 1911 address which is 3 Braemar Road Acton) I notice in all three cases she is enumerated as born Oxford (not Oxfordshire although that could be what was meant) The ages are all over the place, that is not *that* unusual, however how do you know the 1891 & 1901 are actually for your Ellen / Helen ? I wonder how reliable your witness who knew the Harry/Henry HALL was, could they have simply been trying to save your mothers feelings perhaps? I see George has manipulated the marriage years to cover I wonder if HALL is a clue and that was her birth name ? I can find no Henry or Harry DAVIS as a Boot or Shoe maker living in Oxfordshire at any time Did you say your fathers birth certificate states his mother as Ellen HALL formerly DAVIS and was his father named, who registered the birth, likewise was the baptism recorded in full with both parents ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Good morning from New Zealand, I have been researching my family tree > for approx 25 years and have come at a dead end on my grandmother > Ellen Davis, she was born approx 1868 in Oxford.she is on the 1891 to > 1911 census as being born there also my father mentioned it to me. On > her second marriage certificate it gives her father's name as > Henry/Harry Davis boot-maker dec: I have no idea what part of Oxford > she was born. She died 1948 London under the name of Helen (by > father),if their is anyone that can help then I can go further > knowing her mothers name would help Thanking you > > Eileen

Ellen and Helen are traditionally interchangeable, Helen usually the formal form....Heather in sunny Dunedin New Zealand --- On Wed, 26/9/12, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: > From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> > Subject: Re: [OXF] Ellen DAVIS born approx 1868 Oxford UK > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, 26, September, 2012, 5:26 AM > Hi Eileen > > It may help others to help you if you tell us her name as > found in the > census you have and what name she died under > > Preferably with the census reference > > Ah I see you have posted on the same subject before > > <http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/oxfordshire/2009-01/1231451641> > > Are those details still correct (bar the 1911 address which > is 3 Braemar > Road Acton) > > I notice in all three cases she is enumerated as born Oxford > (not > Oxfordshire although that could be what was meant) > > The ages are all over the place, that is not *that* unusual, > however how > do you know the 1891 & 1901 are actually for your Ellen > / Helen ? > > I wonder how reliable your witness who knew the Harry/Henry > HALL was, > could they have simply been trying to save your mothers > feelings > perhaps? I see George has manipulated the marriage years to > cover > > I wonder if HALL is a clue and that was her birth name ? > > I can find no Henry or Harry DAVIS as a Boot or Shoe maker > living in > Oxfordshire at any time > > Did you say your fathers birth certificate states his mother > as Ellen > HALL formerly DAVIS and was his father named, who registered > the birth, > likewise was the baptism recorded in full with both parents > ? > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > Good morning from New Zealand, I have been researching > my family tree > > for approx 25 years and have come at a dead end on my > grandmother > > Ellen Davis, she was born approx 1868 in Oxford.she is > on the 1891 to > > 1911 census as being born there also my father > mentioned it to me. On > > her second marriage certificate it gives her father's > name as > > Henry/Harry Davis boot-maker dec: I have no idea what > part of Oxford > > she was born. She died 1948 London under the name of > Helen (by > > father),if their is anyone that can help then I can go > further > > knowing her mothers name would help Thanking you > > > > Eileen > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. > > See www.ofhs.org.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

> I can find no Henry or Harry DAVIS as a Boot or Shoe maker living in > Oxfordshire at any time There is just one - in the Oxford City Gaol in 1871, Henry Davis, aged 23 shoemaker, unmarried - born in Stockwell, Surrey and no visible Ellen or Helen born in 1868 ish to a Henry. Perhaps he rather was the father but didn't stay around to take responsibility. This has all the hallmarks of a cover up as far as names go, but probably the child was told her actual father's name when she was about to get married. EVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society