Hi Jill, Wendy, Judy, Howard, Joe, Dave, Jean and Richard Thank you all so much for your help it is very much appreciated. Wendy you were right about the 1861 census. Index states Mark but the original looks very much like Dick. Thomas and Charlotte were married in Aston Juxta, Birminham in 1833 where Charlotte was born. Moved back to Oxfordshire where Thomas was born sometime after, as William born 1842 and his 6 siblings were all born at Fullbrook and Burford. Will have to try and check to see what or if any children were born in Warwickshire between 1833 and 1842. Once again thank you Maureen Cook Port Kennedy Western Australia