Dear List I have been absent from the list for a while, of late mainly due to PC problems. But I'm back! I am researching mainly SKUCE in Deddington and Charlbury, but many other names that married into the line. I have recently reserected a family skeleton - the curious case of Mary Ann and Robert GARDNER. Mary is the mother of my great grandmother Eliza SKUCE nee GARDNER. It's now most certain that the man Mary Ann married is not the father of my great grand mother, or any of the subsequent children, and that Robert, was actually transported for goodness knows what! Mary Ann was born about 1805 in Chipping Norton according to 1841 and 1851 and other census' of Deddington. She married 1. Robert GARDNER about 1825/26. I can not find this marriage from the IGI, as there are no marriages coverage. I've found them on the 1841 which shows: Chipping Norton, Churchill Road, H0107/879/3 Robert GARDNER, 45, Labourer, "Y" (in county) Mary GARDNER, 35, Y Ann GARDNER, 14, Y Robert GARDNER, 12, Y John GARDNER, 7, Y Jane GARDNER, 5, Y Thomas GARDNER, 3, Y And 1851 shows: Deddington, Philcock Street Mary GARDNER, 45, 1806, House servant, Chipping Norton Elizabeth GARDNER, 8, Deddington, (note this should be Eliza not Elizabeth, my great grandmother) George GARDNER, 6, Deddington Emma GARDNER, 4, Deddington Harriet GARDNER, 1, Deddington All living in the household of Thomas Wilkins who she later married in 1865! >From previous kind help, and copies of PRs and a couple of certificates, I know that Robert GARDNER was transported around about 1839-41, and on the PR for Eliza's birth, who was a twin with Eleanor, (Eleanor died 11 weeks later), bapt. 24 02 1843 in Deddington, it states that Robert is not the father of these children. It's more than likely that Thomas WILKINS is the father of Eleanor and Eliza, and several subsequent children all born before she married him in 1865. There are several discrepancies queries re. the above, but mainly: 1. The date of his transportation. Pam in NZ kindly helped back in 2005 with information that Robert GARDNER, convict no. 28130 departed Portsmouth 14 07 1841 (6 weeks after the 1841 census carried out on 16th June 1841), on the Lord Goderich bound for Tasmania. The main problem with this, is when Isabella GARDNER AKA Louisa was bapt. 12 06 1853, Mary Ann states on the registration that father was transported 1839. That's a 2 year discrepancy. I am in contact now with the Archives Office of Tasmania to see if I can get any further with his transportation. 2. I am desperate to know who Mary Ann's parents were. When she married Thomas WILKINS in 1865, register says her father's name is William, but infuriatingly, she does not give a surname, only that he is a "cooper" (prof.) If any one can offer me any advice, I'll gladly take it and be eternally grateful. Kindest regards Lynne Scaife Tenerife

Lynne, I do wonder whether the Robert GARDNER transported to Tasmania on the Lord Goderich is your man. Both the convict transportation register (HO 11/12) and the Tasmanian Archives online index show only one Robert GARD*NER transported on the Lord Goderich at this period. (Ancestry have transcribed the name of the vessel wrongly -- as Garland Grove -- but the image of the register clearly shows it as the Lord Goderich.) This Robert GARDNER was convicted of larceny at Westminster quarter sessions on 10 Feb 1841 and sentenced to 7 years transportation. A cross-check with the criminal register for Middlesex (HO 26/47), and the register for the prison hulk Euryalus (HO 9/10), indicates that he was aged 16 at the time of conviction. Images of Tasmanian convict indents are online, so you can look at his record for yourself. http://tinyurl.com/3lyuglh (may be slow to load) This Robert GARDNER was born in Chelsea (Middlesex). No wife or children are mentioned (as they usually are in these documents), but that is not surprising given his age. I doubt if this is your man. That said, I can't find one convicted or transported in 1839 who would match with what you have. Perhaps Mary Ann's statement in 1853 was not quite correct? The other possibility is that Robert was tried and convicted under an alias. HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lynne scaife There are several discrepancies queries re. the above, but mainly: 1. The date of his transportation. Pam in NZ kindly helped back in 2005 with information that Robert GARDNER, convict no. 28130 departed Portsmouth 14 07 1841 (6 weeks after the 1841 census carried out on 16th June 1841), on the Lord Goderich bound for Tasmania. The main problem with this, is when Isabella GARDNER AKA Louisa was bapt. 12 06 1853, Mary Ann states on the registration that father was transported 1839. That's a 2 year discrepancy. I am in contact now with the Archives Office of Tasmania to see if I can get any further with his transportation.

Hello Lynne, Others have offered help with SKUCE but this may help with GARD(I/E)NER. You say Mary Ann (surname unknown) was the mother of your g-grandmother. You want to know who Mary Ann's parents were. From the 1841 Census you deduce that her (first) marriage was to Robert GARDNER in about 1825/26, but you can't find this marriage. When, as a widow, she married Thomas WILKINS in Deddington on 12 May 1865, the register says only that her father's name is William, that he is a cooper, but it gives no surname. According to her age in the 1851 and 1871 censuses, Mary Ann was born in about 1802-5 in Chipping Norton. Eight Mary Ann's were baptised at Chipping Norton in 1800 to 1807. Two of these had father = William: - 1801 Apr 26 - Mary Ann, dau. William & Mary KEDONAUGH - 1805 May 12 - Mary Ann, dau. William & Ann BUSSWELL Unfortunately, I can't find who Mary Ann KEDONAUGH married - if she did. But Mary Ann BUSSWELL married Samuel ENDALL at Chipping Norton on 18 Jul 1826. Pehaps Robert GARDNER and his Mary Ann didn't actually get married? No real progress, I'm afraid! Howard On 10/08/2011 19:27, lynne scaife wrote: > > Dear List > > I have been absent from the list for a while, of late mainly due to PC problems. But I'm back! > > I am researching mainly SKUCE in Deddington and Charlbury, but many other names that married into the line. > > I have recently reserected a family skeleton - the curious case of Mary Ann and Robert GARDNER. > Mary is the mother of my great grandmother Eliza SKUCE nee GARDNER. It's now most certain that the man Mary Ann married is not the father of my great grand mother, or any of the subsequent children, and that Robert, was actually transported for goodness knows what! > > Mary Ann was born about 1805 in Chipping Norton according to 1841 and 1851 and other census' of Deddington. > > She married 1. Robert GARDNER about 1825/26. I can not find this marriage from the IGI, as there are no marriages coverage. > > I've found them on the 1841 which shows: > Chipping Norton, Churchill Road, H0107/879/3 > > Robert GARDNER, 45, Labourer, "Y" (in county) > Mary GARDNER, 35, Y > Ann GARDNER, 14, Y > Robert GARDNER, 12, Y > John GARDNER, 7, Y > Jane GARDNER, 5, Y > Thomas GARDNER, 3, Y > > And 1851 shows: > Deddington, Philcock Street > > Mary GARDNER, 45, 1806, House servant, Chipping Norton > Elizabeth GARDNER, 8, Deddington, (note this should be Eliza not Elizabeth, my great grandmother) > George GARDNER, 6, Deddington > Emma GARDNER, 4, Deddington > Harriet GARDNER, 1, Deddington > All living in the household of Thomas Wilkins who she later married in 1865! > >> From previous kind help, and copies of PRs and a couple of certificates, I know that Robert GARDNER was transported around about 1839-41, and on the PR for Eliza's birth, who was a twin with Eleanor, (Eleanor died 11 weeks later), bapt. 24 02 1843 in Deddington, it states that Robert is not the father of these children. It's more than likely that Thomas WILKINS is the father of Eleanor and Eliza, and several subsequent children all born before she married him in 1865. > > There are several discrepancies queries re. the above, but mainly: > > 1. The date of his transportation. Pam in NZ kindly helped back in 2005 with information that Robert GARDNER, convict no. 28130 departed Portsmouth 14 07 1841 (6 weeks after the 1841 census carried out on 16th June 1841), on the Lord Goderich bound for Tasmania. The main problem with this, is when Isabella GARDNER AKA Louisa was bapt. 12 06 1853, Mary Ann states on the registration that father was transported 1839. That's a 2 year discrepancy. > > I am in contact now with the Archives Office of Tasmania to see if I can get any further with his transportation. > > 2. I am desperate to know who Mary Ann's parents were. When she married Thomas WILKINS in 1865, register says her father's name is William, but infuriatingly, she does not give a surname, only that he is a "cooper" (prof.) > > If any one can offer me any advice, I'll gladly take it and be eternally grateful. > > Kindest regards > Lynne Scaife > Tenerife > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS "Wills Library" : > Can you submit any wills, please?http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Howard & Lynne Mary Ann KEDONAUGH intrigued by this name so put just the last name into family search and came up with NO hits and their phonetic suggestions were all Germanic or Scandinavian. Similar search on ancestry again no hits - it produced Keating variations and Keutenius (in London marriages) and the wonderfully named 'Money Kathnasses' (her husband was a German born violin maker). suspect the celebrant misheard or had his own phonetic spelling of some other name. Only possibility I can come up with is Kennedy Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Howard Fuller Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:21 AM To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OXF] Reintroducing my interests mainly SKUCE AND GARDNER Hello Lynne, Others have offered help with SKUCE but this may help with GARD(I/E)NER. You say Mary Ann (surname unknown) was the mother of your g-grandmother. You want to know who Mary Ann's parents were. >From the 1841 Census you deduce that her (first) marriage was to Robert GARDNER in about 1825/26, but you can't find this marriage. When, as a widow, she married Thomas WILKINS in Deddington on 12 May 1865, the register says only that her father's name is William, that he is a cooper, but it gives no surname. According to her age in the 1851 and 1871 censuses, Mary Ann was born in about 1802-5 in Chipping Norton. Eight Mary Ann's were baptised at Chipping Norton in 1800 to 1807. Two of these had father = William: - 1801 Apr 26 - Mary Ann, dau. William & Mary KEDONAUGH - 1805 May 12 - Mary Ann, dau. William & Ann BUSSWELL Unfortunately, I can't find who Mary Ann KEDONAUGH married - if she did. But Mary Ann BUSSWELL married Samuel ENDALL at Chipping Norton on 18 Jul 1826. Pehaps Robert GARDNER and his Mary Ann didn't actually get married? No real progress, I'm afraid! Howard On 10/08/2011 19:27, lynne scaife wrote: > > Dear List > > I have been absent from the list for a while, of late mainly due to PC > problems. But I'm back! > > I am researching mainly SKUCE in Deddington and Charlbury, but many other > names that married into the line. > > I have recently reserected a family skeleton - the curious case of Mary > Ann and Robert GARDNER. > Mary is the mother of my great grandmother Eliza SKUCE nee GARDNER. It's > now most certain that the man Mary Ann married is not the father of my > great grand mother, or any of the subsequent children, and that Robert, > was actually transported for goodness knows what! > > Mary Ann was born about 1805 in Chipping Norton according to 1841 and 1851 > and other census' of Deddington. > > She married 1. Robert GARDNER about 1825/26. I can not find this marriage > from the IGI, as there are no marriages coverage. > > I've found them on the 1841 which shows: > Chipping Norton, Churchill Road, H0107/879/3 > > Robert GARDNER, 45, Labourer, "Y" (in county) > Mary GARDNER, 35, Y > Ann GARDNER, 14, Y > Robert GARDNER, 12, Y > John GARDNER, 7, Y > Jane GARDNER, 5, Y > Thomas GARDNER, 3, Y > > And 1851 shows: > Deddington, Philcock Street > > Mary GARDNER, 45, 1806, House servant, Chipping Norton > Elizabeth GARDNER, 8, Deddington, (note this should be Eliza not > Elizabeth, my great grandmother) > George GARDNER, 6, Deddington > Emma GARDNER, 4, Deddington > Harriet GARDNER, 1, Deddington > All living in the household of Thomas Wilkins who she later married in > 1865! > >> From previous kind help, and copies of PRs and a couple of certificates, >> I know that Robert GARDNER was transported around about 1839-41, and on >> the PR for Eliza's birth, who was a twin with Eleanor, (Eleanor died 11 >> weeks later), bapt. 24 02 1843 in Deddington, it states that Robert is >> not the father of these children. It's more than likely that Thomas >> WILKINS is the father of Eleanor and Eliza, and several subsequent >> children all born before she married him in 1865. > > There are several discrepancies queries re. the above, but mainly: > > 1. The date of his transportation. Pam in NZ kindly helped back in 2005 > with information that Robert GARDNER, convict no. 28130 departed > Portsmouth 14 07 1841 (6 weeks after the 1841 census carried out on 16th > June 1841), on the Lord Goderich bound for Tasmania. The main problem > with this, is when Isabella GARDNER AKA Louisa was bapt. 12 06 1853, Mary > Ann states on the registration that father was transported 1839. That's a > 2 year discrepancy. > > I am in contact now with the Archives Office of Tasmania to see if I can > get any further with his transportation. > > 2. I am desperate to know who Mary Ann's parents were. When she married > Thomas WILKINS in 1865, register says her father's name is William, but > infuriatingly, she does not give a surname, only that he is a "cooper" > (prof.) > > If any one can offer me any advice, I'll gladly take it and be eternally > grateful. > > Kindest regards > Lynne Scaife > Tenerife > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS "Wills Library" : > Can you submit any wills, please?http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OFHS "Wills Library" : Can you submit any wills, please?http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message