I have an Administration paper for probate dated November 1918, which leaves £675 to the widow, my great grandmother Lillian from Woodstock. What interests me most is that the paper is covered in stamps (of the ink-and-stamp to get an imprint form), each of which seems specific to a different company and bears a different date. The companies range from Vickers Ltd to the Mining Corporation of Canada Ltd, Reckitt & Sons to Dulcia Steam Shipping Co Ltd. Some but not all show that a fee was paid, but all are signed. The dates (handwritten in some cases, part of the stamp in others) differ but all are later than the date for the administration paper. The paper itself, before being filled in, is a standard issue as it is printed by His Majesty's Stationary Office, London. I'm really seeking confirmation that my presumptions are correct - that the solicitor dealing with the administration completed the paper and handed it over to Lillian along with the money owed. Then, she took the paper to each company or its agent and had the shares that her husband must have owned, signed over to her or cancelled and paid off. But that doesn't make entire sense to me. Lillian would have inherited the stocks, in whole or part if they were jointly owned (could they be?), but the dates are often very close together in December and January, so it seems unlikely that all twelve companies were ultra efficient over the Christmas period in returning the administration paper - presumably a valuable item that. But as these post-date the administration paper itself, the work must have been done after everything else was completed. Added to that, presumably if this was something inherited, the value would have been taken into account as part of the £675 - yet there was evidently money to pay as fees associated with the stamps. So I'm confused. Has anyone experience of these sort of documents and what the procedure was? What might be deduced from this, and whether any records of the shares (my presumption that this is what the stamps represent - is that reasonable?) might exist? If it wasn't for the stamps, I'd see this as a standard administration paper, but I don't fully understand the later addition of stamps and associated fees from 2/6 to 7/6 (or nothing). Thanks for any thoughts. Chris Howes
stamp duty payable on the sums involved? -----Original Message----- From: Chris Howes Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:48 PM To: Oxfordshire genealogy group Subject: [OXF] Administration I have an Administration paper for probate dated November 1918, which leaves £675 to the widow, my great grandmother Lillian from Woodstock. What interests me most is that the paper is covered in stamps (of the ink-and-stamp to get an imprint form), each of which seems specific to a different company and bears a different date. The companies range from Vickers Ltd to the Mining Corporation of Canada Ltd, Reckitt & Sons to Dulcia Steam Shipping Co Ltd. Some but not all show that a fee was paid, but all are signed. The dates (handwritten in some cases, part of the stamp in others) differ but all are later than the date for the administration paper. The paper itself, before being filled in, is a standard issue as it is printed by His Majesty's Stationary Office, London. I'm really seeking confirmation that my presumptions are correct - that the solicitor dealing with the administration completed the paper and handed it over to Lillian along with the money owed. Then, she took the paper to each company or its agent and had the shares that her husband must have owned, signed over to her or cancelled and paid off. But that doesn't make entire sense to me. Lillian would have inherited the stocks, in whole or part if they were jointly owned (could they be?), but the dates are often very close together in December and January, so it seems unlikely that all twelve companies were ultra efficient over the Christmas period in returning the administration paper - presumably a valuable item that. But as these post-date the administration paper itself, the work must have been done after everything else was completed. Added to that, presumably if this was something inherited, the value would have been taken into account as part of the £675 - yet there was evidently money to pay as fees associated with the stamps. So I'm confused. Has anyone experience of these sort of documents and what the procedure was? What might be deduced from this, and whether any records of the shares (my presumption that this is what the stamps represent - is that reasonable?) might exist? If it wasn't for the stamps, I'd see this as a standard administration paper, but I don't fully understand the later addition of stamps and associated fees from 2/6 to 7/6 (or nothing). Thanks for any thoughts. Chris Howes ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I have certainly encountered this. At death or marriage' the certificate in question had to be posted to the Company Registrar who confirmed that they had seen and amended their record with the colourful use of a rubber stamp Michael Allbrook -----Original Message----- From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Howes Sent: 03 December 2011 18:49 To: Oxfordshire genealogy group Subject: [OXF] Administration I have an Administration paper for probate dated November 1918, which leaves £675 to the widow, my great grandmother Lillian from Woodstock. What interests me most is that the paper is covered in stamps (of the ink-and-stamp to get an imprint form), each of which seems specific to a different company and bears a different date. The companies range from Vickers Ltd to the Mining Corporation of Canada Ltd, Reckitt & Sons to Dulcia Steam Shipping Co Ltd. Some but not all show that a fee was paid, but all are signed. The dates (handwritten in some cases, part of the stamp in others) differ but all are later than the date for the administration paper. The paper itself, before being filled in, is a standard issue as it is printed by His Majesty's Stationary Office, London. I'm really seeking confirmation that my presumptions are correct - that the solicitor dealing with the administration completed the paper and handed it over to Lillian along with the money owed. Then, she took the paper to each company or its agent and had the shares that her husband must have owned, signed over to her or cancelled and paid off. But that doesn't make entire sense to me. Lillian would have inherited the stocks, in whole or part if they were jointly owned (could they be?), but the dates are often very close together in December and January, so it seems unlikely that all twelve companies were ultra efficient over the Christmas period in returning the administration paper - presumably a valuable item that. But as these post-date the administration paper itself, the work must have been done after everything else was completed. Added to that, presumably if this was something inherited, the value would have been taken into account as part of the £675 - yet there was evidently money to pay as fees associated with the stamps. So I'm confused. Has anyone experience of these sort of documents and what the procedure was? What might be deduced from this, and whether any records of the shares (my presumption that this is what the stamps represent - is that reasonable?) might exist? If it wasn't for the stamps, I'd see this as a standard administration paper, but I don't fully understand the later addition of stamps and associated fees from 2/6 to 7/6 (or nothing). Thanks for any thoughts. Chris Howes ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message