For years, I thought my grgrgreatgrandfather to have reared his second wife's two daughters with his own and their later family, as he called them stepchildren in census. It was not till I found the marriage of one that I realised the girls had been her STEPDAUGHTERS...i.e. had belonged to her late husband and a former and late wife. Don't know if this is any help as haven't been following it closely...best wishes......Heather --- On Wed, 29/6/11, Paul Betteridge <pbetteridge@pobox.com> wrote: From: Paul Betteridge <pbetteridge@pobox.com> Subject: Re: [OXF] Elizabeth WICKSON To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, 29, June, 2011, 8:54 AM Dear Graham, > On the 1851C she was still living with the above and this time she > was described as Daughter in Law. She was not a Daughter in Law in > the modern sense! so therefore does this mean that she was adopted? > because I could not find any records of her parents. Many people have explained that "daughter in law" here means "step daughter"; that is, Elizabeth is Sophia's daughter. Someone asked what birthplace is given in the 1851 census - it is Abingdon. The marriage of Gabriel to Sophia Wickson has also been found by a number of people. > Elizabeth WICKSON b 30 August 1832 Abingdon Berkshire parents > Elizabeth and Joseph WICKSON.(Non Conformist records). This statement seems problematic - we have good reason to suppose that Elizabeth's actual mother was called Sophia. And what do you mean by "Non Conformist records"? There were 2 distinct, long-standing, non-conformist churches in Abingdon - one Baptist and one Independent. Do you know from which one you found this apparent record of Elizabeth's birth? Now Sophia WICKSON/BILLING, according to the 1851 census, was born in Standlake, Oxfordshire. And it so happens that there is a baptism in Standlake which is relevant: 5 March 1834 Elizabeth daughter of Joseph (a labourer) and Sophia. This can be found in the Oxfordshire FHS parish register transcript on CD. And, interestingly, this couple have another child baptised in Standlake: On 22 March 1835, Sophia daughter of Joseph (a cabinet maker) and Sophia, of Abingdon. This latter entry seems to matches the father's name and occupation from Elizabeth's marriage(as found by Paul Irving), and the birthplace from the 1851 census. Sophia, infant daughter of Joseph and Sophia Wickson of Abingdon was buried on 14 November 1835 at Standlake, by the way. And it looks as if this is her father's burial, also at Standlake: 27 January 1835, Joseph, age 25, of Abingdon. So now we have a plausible baptism for Elizabeth, the burial of her father, the remarriage of her mother, her subsequently living with her mother and stepfather in Great Haseley in 1841 and 1851, and her marriage, with the right father's name and occupation. Everything fits together, except your information from "Non Conformist records". You need to check that. Best wishes Paul -- Paul Betteridge, Leafield, Oxfordshire pbetteridge@pobox.com _____________________________________________ Oxfordshire Surname Interest list - www.oxsil.org.uk Have you entered your names of interest? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Heather, on my maddox family tree the family search wenty back to 1681 in birmingham wh4en I came to prove it with the staffordshire archives I found that this was done around the 1900 period without the use of parish records that I think may not have been available at that time I had found also that moses maddox was on the gro index as moses maddonin the year 1841 he married harriet smith that tied in with the birth certificates of the children born before 1851 when moses maddox married again for the second time in OXFORDSHIRE thanks to the help of WENDY I have now managed to prove this line back to ISHMAEL MADDOX who can only be found using a fonetic search on ancestry he lived in warwickshire while his son moses maddox born in 1790 in staffordshire had a son of the same name born in staffordshire in 1821 who moved into oxfordshire I recently got his death certificate in 1868 in headington all this family are down as non conformists that is probably true going by there names in the period 1881 most all of them moved to camberwell then on into marylebone and later still hommerton hackneygeorge maddox was my bgrandfather he died in the period 1964 and is buried in walebone lane cematery thats close to dagenham . many thanks pete From: Heather Grimwood <heather.grimwood@xtra.co.nz> To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2011, 10:55 Subject: Re: [OXF] Elizabeth WICKSON For years, I thought my grgrgreatgrandfather to have reared his second wife's two daughters with his own and their later family, as he called them stepchildren in census. It was not till I found the marriage of one that I realised the girls had been her STEPDAUGHTERS...i.e. had belonged to her late husband and a former and late wife. Don't know if this is any help as haven't been following it closely...best wishes......Heather --- On Wed, 29/6/11, Paul Betteridge <pbetteridge@pobox.com> wrote: From: Paul Betteridge <pbetteridge@pobox.com> Subject: Re: [OXF] Elizabeth WICKSON To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, 29, June, 2011, 8:54 AM Dear Graham, > On the 1851C she was still living with the above and this time she > was described as Daughter in Law. She was not a Daughter in Law in > the modern sense! so therefore does this mean that she was adopted? > because I could not find any records of her parents. Many people have explained that "daughter in law" here means "step daughter"; that is, Elizabeth is Sophia's daughter. Someone asked what birthplace is given in the 1851 census - it is Abingdon. The marriage of Gabriel to Sophia Wickson has also been found by a number of people. > Elizabeth WICKSON b 30 August 1832 Abingdon Berkshire parents > Elizabeth and Joseph WICKSON.(Non Conformist records). This statement seems problematic - we have good reason to suppose that Elizabeth's actual mother was called Sophia. And what do you mean by "Non Conformist records"? There were 2 distinct, long-standing, non-conformist churches in Abingdon - one Baptist and one Independent. Do you know from which one you found this apparent record of Elizabeth's birth? Now Sophia WICKSON/BILLING, according to the 1851 census, was born in Standlake, Oxfordshire. And it so happens that there is a baptism in Standlake which is relevant: 5 March 1834 Elizabeth daughter of Joseph (a labourer) and Sophia. This can be found in the Oxfordshire FHS parish register transcript on CD. And, interestingly, this couple have another child baptised in Standlake: On 22 March 1835, Sophia daughter of Joseph (a cabinet maker) and Sophia, of Abingdon. This latter entry seems to matches the father's name and occupation from Elizabeth's marriage(as found by Paul Irving), and the birthplace from the 1851 census. Sophia, infant daughter of Joseph and Sophia Wickson of Abingdon was buried on 14 November 1835 at Standlake, by the way. And it looks as if this is her father's burial, also at Standlake: 27 January 1835, Joseph, age 25, of Abingdon. So now we have a plausible baptism for Elizabeth, the burial of her father, the remarriage of her mother, her subsequently living with her mother and stepfather in Great Haseley in 1841 and 1851, and her marriage, with the right father's name and occupation. Everything fits together, except your information from "Non Conformist records". You need to check that. Best wishes Paul -- Paul Betteridge, Leafield, Oxfordshire pbetteridge@pobox.com _____________________________________________ Oxfordshire Surname Interest list - www.oxsil.org.uk Have you entered your names of interest? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Oxfordshire Surname Interest list - www.oxsil.org.uk Have you entered your names of interest? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
thanks for replying Pete...Heather --- On Wed, 29/6/11, PETER WELLS <pete4jaz@btinternet.com> wrote: From: PETER WELLS <pete4jaz@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [OXF] Elizabeth WICKSON To: "oxfordshire@rootsweb.com" <oxfordshire@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, 29, June, 2011, 11:34 PM Hi Heather, on my maddox family tree the family search wenty back to 1681 in birmingham wh4en I came to prove it with the staffordshire archives I found that this was done around the 1900 period without the use of parish records that I think may not have been available at that time I had found also that moses maddox was on the gro index as moses maddonin the year 1841 he married harriet smith that tied in with the birth certificates of the children born before 1851 when moses maddox married again for the second time in OXFORDSHIRE thanks to the help of WENDY I have now managed to prove this line back to ISHMAEL MADDOX who can only be found using a fonetic search on ancestry he lived in warwickshire while his son moses maddox born in 1790 in staffordshire had a son of the same name born in staffordshire in 1821 who moved into oxfordshire I recently got his death certificate in 1868 in headington all this family are down as non conformists that is probably true going by there names in the period 1881 most all of them moved to camberwell then on into marylebone and later still hommerton hackneygeorge maddox was my bgrandfather he died in the period 1964 and is buried in walebone lane cematery thats close to dagenham . many thanks pete From: Heather Grimwood <heather.grimwood@xtra.co.nz> To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2011, 10:55 Subject: Re: [OXF] Elizabeth WICKSON For years, I thought my grgrgreatgrandfather to have reared his second wife's two daughters with his own and their later family, as he called them stepchildren in census. It was not till I found the marriage of one that I realised the girls had been her STEPDAUGHTERS...i.e. had belonged to her late husband and a former and late wife. Don't know if this is any help as haven't been following it closely...best wishes......Heather --- On Wed, 29/6/11, Paul Betteridge <pbetteridge@pobox.com> wrote: From: Paul Betteridge <pbetteridge@pobox.com> Subject: Re: [OXF] Elizabeth WICKSON To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, 29, June, 2011, 8:54 AM Dear Graham, > On the 1851C she was still living with the above and this time she > was described as Daughter in Law. She was not a Daughter in Law in > the modern sense! so therefore does this mean that she was adopted? > because I could not find any records of her parents. Many people have explained that "daughter in law" here means "step daughter"; that is, Elizabeth is Sophia's daughter. Someone asked what birthplace is given in the 1851 census - it is Abingdon. The marriage of Gabriel to Sophia Wickson has also been found by a number of people. > Elizabeth WICKSON b 30 August 1832 Abingdon Berkshire parents > Elizabeth and Joseph WICKSON.(Non Conformist records). This statement seems problematic - we have good reason to suppose that Elizabeth's actual mother was called Sophia. And what do you mean by "Non Conformist records"? There were 2 distinct, long-standing, non-conformist churches in Abingdon - one Baptist and one Independent. Do you know from which one you found this apparent record of Elizabeth's birth? Now Sophia WICKSON/BILLING, according to the 1851 census, was born in Standlake, Oxfordshire. And it so happens that there is a baptism in Standlake which is relevant: 5 March 1834 Elizabeth daughter of Joseph (a labourer) and Sophia. This can be found in the Oxfordshire FHS parish register transcript on CD. And, interestingly, this couple have another child baptised in Standlake: On 22 March 1835, Sophia daughter of Joseph (a cabinet maker) and Sophia, of Abingdon. This latter entry seems to matches the father's name and occupation from Elizabeth's marriage(as found by Paul Irving), and the birthplace from the 1851 census. Sophia, infant daughter of Joseph and Sophia Wickson of Abingdon was buried on 14 November 1835 at Standlake, by the way. And it looks as if this is her father's burial, also at Standlake: 27 January 1835, Joseph, age 25, of Abingdon. So now we have a plausible baptism for Elizabeth, the burial of her father, the remarriage of her mother, her subsequently living with her mother and stepfather in Great Haseley in 1841 and 1851, and her marriage, with the right father's name and occupation. Everything fits together, except your information from "Non Conformist records". You need to check that. Best wishes Paul -- Paul Betteridge, Leafield, Oxfordshire pbetteridge@pobox.com _____________________________________________ Oxfordshire Surname Interest list - www.oxsil.org.uk Have you entered your names of interest? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Oxfordshire Surname Interest list - www.oxsil.org.uk Have you entered your names of interest? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Oxfordshire Surname Interest list - www.oxsil.org.uk Have you entered your names of interest? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message