Hopefully I have replied to all who asked for a copy of the pdf file I had from LDS explaining what all the prefixes of their batch numbers mean. I was aware that the file I had was 10 years old, so contacted them for their latest version. They have, in turn, directed me to this page on their wiki website ... https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/IGI_Batch_Number_Descriptions I hope that this helps everyone in their family history research :-) Heather

re are a lot of parishes that refuse transcriptions, items can only be > taken from registers for personal use any passing on of this information to > a third unrelated person can be challenged in court. Case law says it would > be upheld and the perpetrators found guilty. Pewsey in Wiltshire is a > parish that has continually denied access to anyone except relations. That is illegal - the relevant law says that access must be available 'at any reasonable time. Set the Archdeacon on him, failing whom the Bishop. Problem is, the 'reasonable time' is theirs, not yours. The late and once well known genealogist, Robert Massey, wished to search the registers of a Bucks parish where the rector was a strnage withdrawn man who hated everybody. Having been refused, Bob had a word with his friend, the Bishop, who send a reprimand to the rector. Rector then agreed that Bob could search the registers, but only if he arrived at 7am. This Bob did, to find the rector still in bed. Bob luckily had a local friend who was amenable to an early visit, and gave him coffee. After two return visits, Bob finally got in at 9am and was then locked in the vestry and left till lunchtime.. As he remarked 'By that time, I had had four cups of coffee - and - harrumph - thank God the windowsill was low.' EVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society

Thank you Michael for your information. I base my 1921 idea on Elsie Corbett's book, a History of Spelsbury, pub, 1931. Page 258 she writes about the Foundation Stone for the War Memorial Hall being laid on the 27th May 1920, and also mentions the Masonic Cermony. She further states the hall was formally opened in May 1921 by the Viscountess Dillon.This I would think was when the children held the letters. My Grandmother Mirriam Sarah Batts, nee Benfield was a founder member of the Spelsbury W.I. 7th Dec 1920. Her Husband, Harold, my Grandfather, served in Mesopotamia. She did not see him for 4 years. Thanks again. Robert

Robert I have photos of the laying of the foundation stone (June 1920) amid much Masonic ceremony and another of the finished Memorial Hall as opened by Vicountess Dillon; my record is that this was in December 1920. These are from Oxford Journal Illustrated. Perhaps you should check out OJI for June 1921 if as you say there was a further ceremony at that time. Michael Cross

As we have just commemorated Remembrance Day, I thought it might be the right time to pose this request. My Mother Kathleen Florance Freeman ( nee Batts ) born 1914 in Taston, told us that when the Spelsbury Memorial Hall was formally opened in May 1921, the school children stood outside, holding letters that spelt, " Lest We Forget ". Mum said she was the letter "e" but which one? I am asking if there is a photo take at the time, that anyone may know about/ Robert Freeman March The Fens

Depends. Sometimes only one or the other is available to transcribers, e.g. where a parish refuses to let anyone at the PRs. On 15/11/2011 15:59, Elizabeth Adams wrote: I thought the parish transcriptions usually included B/Ts ? Elizabeth ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elizabeth - I'll check at Oxfordshire History Centre tomorrow or Thursday. I visit there regularly & am always willing to check transcript queries. Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Adams" <betkimadams@yahoo.co.uk> To: <OXFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 9:05 AM Subject: [OXF] Marriages > Thank you for all the replies to my queery. > > The marriage listed as "extracted" on the IGI with prefix and number > M022081 is:- > > 13 October 1825 at Bampton > Charles CLACK & Maria JONES > > I have the Bampton transcripts and cannot see it there.

As I said, this is a restriction imposed by the church (in this case, presumably a succession of incumbents) as a condition of access to the physical registers. It's a contract between the parish & the person who consults the register, & is enforceable. But it is not generally applicable. The parish does not own the information in the register (except for any comments by whoever made the entries). It is in the public domain. I'd be interested in the case or cases you refer to. On 15/11/2011 13:39, Chalk wrote: > There are a lot of parishes that refuse transcriptions, items can only be > taken from registers for personal use any passing on of this information to > a third unrelated person can be challenged in court. Case law says it would > be upheld and the perpetrators found guilty. Pewsey in Wiltshire is a > parish that has continually denied access to anyone except relations. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Very many thanks to you all for your replies. Hugh I thought the parish transcriptions usually included B/Ts ? I will have to try and get the B/Ts checked as someone else has the brides name as Martha Jones !! Elizabeth

There are a lot of parishes that refuse transcriptions, items can only be taken from registers for personal use any passing on of this information to a third unrelated person can be challenged in court. Case law says it would be upheld and the perpetrators found guilty. Pewsey in Wiltshire is a parish that has continually denied access to anyone except relations.

There aren't any Oxfordshire registers on FreeREG, because it's been refused permission to transcribe the registers, but there have been many Oxfordshire registers on the IGI for as long as I've been looking at it, i.e since 2001. Perhaps the IGI entries were transcribed before the ban was imposed. I've wondered about that ban. The registers themselves are the property of the church, & I think it has the same copyright as the Crown on them - but that's on the page as it is written, not the information on it, & it isn't permanent. Copyright expires. The information (A married B on such & such a date, etc.) is in the public domain, & always has been. It can not be copyrighted. Marriages, etc. are public acts, for public purposes. The only control the church has is access to the physical registers, where it can impose conditions in return for granting access. On 15/11/2011 11:06, Hugh Kearsey wrote: > Elizabeth, > > Some observations on the problem! > > I thought that no Oxfordshire Registers or BTs were supposed to be available > on the Internet, but they are noted as available on the IGI (and are now on > the new Family Search site). > > Hugh Kearsey >

Elizabeth, Some observations on the problem! I thought that no Oxfordshire Registers or BTs were supposed to be available on the Internet, but they are noted as available on the IGI (and are now on the new Family Search site). The IGI does have entries from the Oxfordshire Marriage Index, but the marriage entry is not there. Other marriages on M022081 are in the Oxfordshire Marriage Index and in the OFHS Parish Register transcript, but there are some with different spellings for the Surnames. M022081 appears to be an extraction from the film of the BTs. I hope somebody will check the actual Registers and BTs. Hugh Kearsey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Adams" <betkimadams@yahoo.co.uk> To: <OXFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 9:05 AM Subject: [OXF] Marriages > Thank you for all the replies to my queery. > > The marriage listed as "extracted" on the IGI with prefix and number > M022081 is:- > > 13 October 1825 at Bampton > Charles CLACK & Maria JONES > > I have the Bampton transcripts and cannot see it there. > > Elizabeth > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: > http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Elizabeth, The key piece of information when dealing with LDS transcripts is not the batch number but the *film number*, in this case 95207. Entering the film number into the FHL catalogue reveals that the record is extracted from the bishop's transcripts for Bampton. https://www.familysearch.org/#form=catalog&catSearchType=film_number If perhaps you're using the old IGI pages, clicking on the link Source Call No. 0095207 (at the foot of the page) will take you to the same source information. As has been said, the BTs may differ slightly from the parish registers. HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Adams Thank you for all the replies to my queery. The marriage listed as "extracted" on the IGI with prefix and number M022081 is:- 13 October 1825 at Bampton Charles CLACK & Maria JONES I have the Bampton transcripts and cannot see it there. Elizabeth

Hi Elizabeth I have not been following your enquiry so may have missed something The extracted entries on the IGI are mostly from BTs and your transcript may be for the PRs Both being a transcript are prone to error You need to catch sight of the original pages in both cases You can order the IGI entry direct from the LDS for not a lot or order the film in but thats more expensive and takes time (and an LDS FHS of course) The Oxfordshire records office should be able to help with the PRs , if you can't visit in person you need at least the page the IGI entry is dated Have you checked any other October marriages at Bampton on the IGI against the transcript you have, just to see if they are on there? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Thank you for all the replies to my queery. > > The marriage listed as "extracted" on the IGI with prefix and number M022081 is:- > > 13 October 1825 at Bampton > Charles CLACK & Maria JONES > > I have the Bampton transcripts and cannot see it there. > > Elizabeth

Thank you for all the replies to my queery. The marriage listed as "extracted" on the IGI with prefix and number M022081 is:- 13 October 1825 at Bampton Charles CLACK & Maria JONES I have the Bampton transcripts and cannot see it there. Elizabeth

As there is a discussion about the IGI, if anyone is interested ... I have a pdf file from LDS explaining all the prefixes used for their batches. If anyone would like a copy, please e-mail me OFF-LIST (ftree at quineyclan dot force9 dot co dot uk). The file is almost 400KB and needs Adobe Acrobat to read it. Regards Heather On 14/11/2011 18:22, Wendy King wrote: > Elizabeth it depends on the letter prefix the easiest way to check for the > location you are looking at is to go the Hugh Wallis site - google IGI Batch > numbers and click on the rootsweb link. Prefix letters for extractions from > parish registers are usually C, P, J or K for births and christenings; M > for marriages and E for what Hugh describes as mainly mixtures of marriages > and christenings. > > However the new site now has a lot more burials indexed and some indexing > projects seem to have the prefix I. The ones to be wary of are those with a > film number or an A prefix which means that they are private submissions - > some of these are fine but many are not. > > Wendy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elizabeth Adams > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 3:29 PM > To: OXFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com > Subject: [OXF] Marriages > > Can anyone tell me if a marriage is on the IGI as an "exracted" entry (with > number) but not in the parish register transcripts, is it likely to be in > the Marriage Index or are they scanned from the register transcripts ? > > Elizabeth >

You may be interested in the following events. Saturday 19 November from 9.30am to 1pm Family History Surgery at Wantage Library. Bring us your family history questions to this session and we will endeavour to help you find the answers. To book a slot please phone Wantage Library on 01235 762291 or for more information call me on 07851206313 Monday 21 November meeting at Long Furlong Community Centre, Boulter Drive, Abingdon at 7.30pm. When our speaker will be Mark Priddy, Archives Manager at the Oxfordshire Record Office and his talk 'Cases in the Church Courts" Monthly meetings are held at Long Furlong Community Centre, Boulter Drive Abingdon at 7.15pm for 7.30pm start. Where there is ample free parking. Everyone welcome. For more information email Vale@BerksFHS.org.uk or phone 07851206313 Sue Matthews Programme Secretary Vale of the White Horse Branch Berkshire Family History Society

On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:29:18 +0000 (GMT) Elizabeth Adams <betkimadams@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hello Elizabeth, > Can anyone tell me if a marriage is on the IGI as an "exracted" entry > (with number) but not in the parish register transcripts, is it likely > to be in the Marriage Index or are they scanned from the register > transcripts ? Could come from BTs where they exist. I know that the BTs are supposed to be copies of the PRs, but that's not always the case. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" I'd hate to look into those eyes and see an ounce of pain Sweet Child O'Mine - Guns 'N' Roses

Elizabeth it depends on the letter prefix the easiest way to check for the location you are looking at is to go the Hugh Wallis site - google IGI Batch numbers and click on the rootsweb link. Prefix letters for extractions from parish registers are usually C, P, J or K for births and christenings; M for marriages and E for what Hugh describes as mainly mixtures of marriages and christenings. However the new site now has a lot more burials indexed and some indexing projects seem to have the prefix I. The ones to be wary of are those with a film number or an A prefix which means that they are private submissions - some of these are fine but many are not. Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Adams Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 3:29 PM To: OXFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [OXF] Marriages Can anyone tell me if a marriage is on the IGI as an "exracted" entry (with number) but not in the parish register transcripts, is it likely to be in the Marriage Index or are they scanned from the register transcripts ? Elizabeth ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Elizabeth. Who is it you're looking for? I will then look at Oxf Marriage index for you. Barb Can anyone tell me if a marriage is on the IGI as an "exracted" entry (with number) but not in the parish register transcripts, is it likely to be in the Marriage Index or are they scanned from the register transcripts ? Elizabeth