I think you will find that you are dealing with those happy days when the post was collected and delivered several times a day and business dealt with mail on the day or the day after it arrived. For probate a shareholding is valued on the day of the death, When probate is granted and not before, an asset may be transferred to the beneficiary, I believe that Stamp Duty is payable when the assets are transferred and it is a government tax so not an admin charge Michael Allbrook -----Original Message----- From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Howes Sent: 03 December 2011 22:53 To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OXF] Administration Thanks Michael and Wendy ... I'd presumed that the fee that looked like it was paid when the stamp was applied was some form of duty payable to transfer the stock to Lillian, to cover the cost of amending the record. But two factors still bother me: That the dates are so close together that there would have been no time to post the document to company A, receive it back and post it to B, and so on ... And that if this is probate and the administration has been concluded, why was this being done *after* completion; if the value of the shares was part of the administration (which I assume it must have been), then why was there a charge made to transfer the shares after everything was paid over. In other words, would not the administration be expected to have covered the costs of transfer? I feel like I'm missing something here. Chris > I have certainly encountered this. At death or marriage' the > certificate in question had to be posted to the Company Registrar who > confirmed that they had seen and amended their record with the > colourful use of a rubber stamp > > Michael Allbrook ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Michael and Wendy ... I'd presumed that the fee that looked like it was paid when the stamp was applied was some form of duty payable to transfer the stock to Lillian, to cover the cost of amending the record. But two factors still bother me: That the dates are so close together that there would have been no time to post the document to company A, receive it back and post it to B, and so on ... And that if this is probate and the administration has been concluded, why was this being done *after* completion; if the value of the shares was part of the administration (which I assume it must have been), then why was there a charge made to transfer the shares after everything was paid over. In other words, would not the administration be expected to have covered the costs of transfer? I feel like I'm missing something here. Chris > I have certainly encountered this. At death or marriage' the > certificate in question had to be posted to the Company > Registrar who confirmed that they had seen and amended their > record with the colourful use of a rubber stamp > > Michael Allbrook

I have certainly encountered this. At death or marriage' the certificate in question had to be posted to the Company Registrar who confirmed that they had seen and amended their record with the colourful use of a rubber stamp Michael Allbrook -----Original Message----- From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Howes Sent: 03 December 2011 18:49 To: Oxfordshire genealogy group Subject: [OXF] Administration I have an Administration paper for probate dated November 1918, which leaves £675 to the widow, my great grandmother Lillian from Woodstock. What interests me most is that the paper is covered in stamps (of the ink-and-stamp to get an imprint form), each of which seems specific to a different company and bears a different date. The companies range from Vickers Ltd to the Mining Corporation of Canada Ltd, Reckitt & Sons to Dulcia Steam Shipping Co Ltd. Some but not all show that a fee was paid, but all are signed. The dates (handwritten in some cases, part of the stamp in others) differ but all are later than the date for the administration paper. The paper itself, before being filled in, is a standard issue as it is printed by His Majesty's Stationary Office, London. I'm really seeking confirmation that my presumptions are correct - that the solicitor dealing with the administration completed the paper and handed it over to Lillian along with the money owed. Then, she took the paper to each company or its agent and had the shares that her husband must have owned, signed over to her or cancelled and paid off. But that doesn't make entire sense to me. Lillian would have inherited the stocks, in whole or part if they were jointly owned (could they be?), but the dates are often very close together in December and January, so it seems unlikely that all twelve companies were ultra efficient over the Christmas period in returning the administration paper - presumably a valuable item that. But as these post-date the administration paper itself, the work must have been done after everything else was completed. Added to that, presumably if this was something inherited, the value would have been taken into account as part of the £675 - yet there was evidently money to pay as fees associated with the stamps. So I'm confused. Has anyone experience of these sort of documents and what the procedure was? What might be deduced from this, and whether any records of the shares (my presumption that this is what the stamps represent - is that reasonable?) might exist? If it wasn't for the stamps, I'd see this as a standard administration paper, but I don't fully understand the later addition of stamps and associated fees from 2/6 to 7/6 (or nothing). Thanks for any thoughts. Chris Howes ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

stamp duty payable on the sums involved? -----Original Message----- From: Chris Howes Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:48 PM To: Oxfordshire genealogy group Subject: [OXF] Administration I have an Administration paper for probate dated November 1918, which leaves £675 to the widow, my great grandmother Lillian from Woodstock. What interests me most is that the paper is covered in stamps (of the ink-and-stamp to get an imprint form), each of which seems specific to a different company and bears a different date. The companies range from Vickers Ltd to the Mining Corporation of Canada Ltd, Reckitt & Sons to Dulcia Steam Shipping Co Ltd. Some but not all show that a fee was paid, but all are signed. The dates (handwritten in some cases, part of the stamp in others) differ but all are later than the date for the administration paper. The paper itself, before being filled in, is a standard issue as it is printed by His Majesty's Stationary Office, London. I'm really seeking confirmation that my presumptions are correct - that the solicitor dealing with the administration completed the paper and handed it over to Lillian along with the money owed. Then, she took the paper to each company or its agent and had the shares that her husband must have owned, signed over to her or cancelled and paid off. But that doesn't make entire sense to me. Lillian would have inherited the stocks, in whole or part if they were jointly owned (could they be?), but the dates are often very close together in December and January, so it seems unlikely that all twelve companies were ultra efficient over the Christmas period in returning the administration paper - presumably a valuable item that. But as these post-date the administration paper itself, the work must have been done after everything else was completed. Added to that, presumably if this was something inherited, the value would have been taken into account as part of the £675 - yet there was evidently money to pay as fees associated with the stamps. So I'm confused. Has anyone experience of these sort of documents and what the procedure was? What might be deduced from this, and whether any records of the shares (my presumption that this is what the stamps represent - is that reasonable?) might exist? If it wasn't for the stamps, I'd see this as a standard administration paper, but I don't fully understand the later addition of stamps and associated fees from 2/6 to 7/6 (or nothing). Thanks for any thoughts. Chris Howes ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have an Administration paper for probate dated November 1918, which leaves £675 to the widow, my great grandmother Lillian from Woodstock. What interests me most is that the paper is covered in stamps (of the ink-and-stamp to get an imprint form), each of which seems specific to a different company and bears a different date. The companies range from Vickers Ltd to the Mining Corporation of Canada Ltd, Reckitt & Sons to Dulcia Steam Shipping Co Ltd. Some but not all show that a fee was paid, but all are signed. The dates (handwritten in some cases, part of the stamp in others) differ but all are later than the date for the administration paper. The paper itself, before being filled in, is a standard issue as it is printed by His Majesty's Stationary Office, London. I'm really seeking confirmation that my presumptions are correct - that the solicitor dealing with the administration completed the paper and handed it over to Lillian along with the money owed. Then, she took the paper to each company or its agent and had the shares that her husband must have owned, signed over to her or cancelled and paid off. But that doesn't make entire sense to me. Lillian would have inherited the stocks, in whole or part if they were jointly owned (could they be?), but the dates are often very close together in December and January, so it seems unlikely that all twelve companies were ultra efficient over the Christmas period in returning the administration paper - presumably a valuable item that. But as these post-date the administration paper itself, the work must have been done after everything else was completed. Added to that, presumably if this was something inherited, the value would have been taken into account as part of the £675 - yet there was evidently money to pay as fees associated with the stamps. So I'm confused. Has anyone experience of these sort of documents and what the procedure was? What might be deduced from this, and whether any records of the shares (my presumption that this is what the stamps represent - is that reasonable?) might exist? If it wasn't for the stamps, I'd see this as a standard administration paper, but I don't fully understand the later addition of stamps and associated fees from 2/6 to 7/6 (or nothing). Thanks for any thoughts. Chris Howes

About 30 wills have been added to the Library. See http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/windex.html Names of testators are: Bridgwater Buckett Bull Butcher Close Collier Dumbleton Dutton Fermor Freeman French Griffiths Holliday Lambert Langley Mander Morrey Oliver Shepherd Steptoe Westbrooke Williams Yate Dave Beames Coordinator wills@ofhs.org.uk

>From Jackson's Oxford Journal, Saturday, March 10, 1832; Issue 4115. On the 28th ult. died, at Northleach, Glocestershire, in his 82nd year, Mr. Thomas BLOXHAM , late of Grimsbury, near Banbury, in this county.

>From Jackson's Oxford Journal, Saturday, March 10, 1832; Issue 4115. On Monday last died, at Hurley, near Witney, aged 56, Mrs. HUMPHRIS , leaving three orphan children wholly unprovided for, to whom she was a most affectionate parent.

>From Jackson's Oxford Journal, Saturday, March 10, 1832; Issue 4115. On Wednesday last John HARDING , John CRIPPS , George HUMPHRIS , William BURGIN , and James GIBBS were removed from our county gaol to his Majesty's ship " Leviathan ", pursuant to their sentences of transportation.

>From Jackson's Oxford Journal, Saturday, March 10, 1832; Issue 4115. On the 19th ult. Mr. James MESSER , of Chilton, near Thame, caught a most beautiful copper coloured blackbird, with the assistance of two other persons, who chased it from hedge to hedge, a distance of three miles, and at length struck it with a stone; the bird is remarkably quiet. There is another blackbird, nearly all white, in the same field, supposed to be hatched in the same nest.

>From Jackson's Oxford Journal, Saturday, March 10, 1832; Issue 4115. On Saturday last died, aged 44 years, Mr. Samuel PAIN , landlord of the King's Arms Inn, at Woodstock, leaving a numerous family to lament the irreparable loss of their parents. Mr. PAIN was highly respected by all who knew him.

>From Jackson's Oxford Journal, Saturday, March 10, 1832; Issue 4115. On Wednesday last was married, at St. Aldgate's church, Mr. Wm. WAY , grocer, to Elizabeth Widbin, eldest daughter of Mr. CROZIER , of the Wheatsheaf and Anchor Inn, both of this city.

All The next meeting of the Oxfordshire Family History Society will take place on Monday 28 November 2011 at the usual venue at Exeter Hall, Oxford Road, Kidlington, Oxford OX5 1AB. Doors open at 7.15pm for coffee, help with both genealogy and computers, and the bookstall, exchange journals and the library. The subject of the talk is "My Ancestor was in the GRO indexes - well they should have been!". This will be presented by John Hanson. I'm told by John that the focus of his presentation will be the locating of ancestors who appear to be missing from the GRO indexes. The missing birth, marriage or death might have taken place in an unexpected location. Your ancestor might have been in an institution, prison or the workhouse. They might have been serving in the Armed Forces. Or they might be at home but incorrectly named or indexed. John will demonstrate a wide variety of techniques to locate ancestors who can't immediately be traced. Our speaker John Hanson lives in Milton Keynes, and is a well-known face in the world of family history. He is part of the Society of Genealogists' "Census Detectives", and is also active in the Guild of One-Name Studies. He has also lectured at many family history conferences, and presents classes on behalf of the SoG. You can see his photograph here :- http://www.censusdetectives.org.uk/ All members, potential members and their guests are welcome. For directions as to how to get to the Exeter Hall, please see :- http://www.ofhs.org.uk/ExeterHall.html For a list of future OFHS meetings, please see :- http://www.ofhs.org.uk/meetings.html Any queries, please contact me off-list. Paul Gaskell Publicity Officer Oxfordshire Family History Society www.ofhs.org.uk

> Could he have worked his passage rather than come as a > passenger? In other words is it worth > checking crew lists Thanks loads for the ideas. Can't ignore that thought of working his way, certainly, though it looks like he was well enough off to have paid his passage so I doubt he crewed. > As far as acquiring jobs is concerned, certainly jobs were > advertised in newspapers, although I very > much doubt a clerks job would be placed in the likes of the > Times, then as now it was expensive to > advertise in , more likely if advertised at all it would be > inserted in an area where it was known > there were people to fulfill a given role Sounds very reasonable ... I only looked at the Times to get a feel for the sorts of things advertised, and because I had access ... > At that time I think far more jobs were from word of mouth or > passed message, one worker in > Oxfordshire may have known of the vacancy and sent a message > to that effect Sounds perfectly reasonable ... > Your mention of temperance movement sounds worthwhile > following up, I could see an enthusiastic > member being sent to another area I'd always assumed that the temperance link was of importance in this context, but that's all it has been - an assumption. I've found repositories of freemason information but this didn't help during the relevant time period. I've yet to find where any records might still exist of the Independent Order of Templars, which was seemingly then strong in Oxfordshire - does anyone have knowledge of anything relevant here? > Is there a reason for seeking the information particularly No more than the usual - trying to learn more of the who behind the name ... Archie was my GGrandfather and I'm working on a detailed history of his family, so trying to find exactly more about where he was and what he was doing during that period between 1894 and 1899 is of great interest as he was taking life changing decisions. Thanks for the ideas. Chris

I agree with Nivard - much of the hiring was done through word of mouth, family connections etc. and certainly the various churches had networks of contacts. One of mine tree members was working for a succession of clergymen over a period of at least 40 years - on each census a different employer in a different part of the country. When looking for other members of the family on the later censuses several were employed at his previous employers or for other clergy. There were also hiring fairs which covered mainly household and agricultural labourers but sometimes other jobs - people travelled for miles to be hired. This is why you can often find someone working 100 miles from home. These are covered by an article on Wikipedia. Wendy > Possibilities that I can think of include personal recommendation, but I > know of no family connections between Market Harborough and Woodstock > before > Archie arrived; he was a staunch member of the Temperance movement so it > could have been a recommendation within that, but it seems unlikely to > draw > someone 'unknown' from further afield ... > > Or could he have responded to an advertisement? That's my real question: I > have failed to find any such adverts being placed, so were such things > done > in the latter part of the 1890s? And if so, not having found such an > advert > in the Times (which would have reached outside the county of Oxfordshire), > where best to look? > > My two current brick walls then, if anyone has ideas of where to look. > > Chris Howes ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Chris There may be more passenger lists yet to be made available (or found for that matter) but I doubt it, perhaps a mail to the National Archives will confirm Many earlier lists were destroyed and I suspect other batches were too Could he have worked his passage rather than come as a passenger? In other words is it worth checking crew lists As far as acquiring jobs is concerned, certainly jobs were advertised in newspapers, although I very much doubt a clerks job would be placed in the likes of the Times, then as now it was expensive to advertise in , more likely if advertised at all it would be inserted in an area where it was known there were people to fulfill a given role Although adverts were placed for household servants and more specialised jobs, I would be surprised if a clerks job would be At that time I think far more jobs were from word of mouth or passed message, one worker in Oxfordshire may have known of the vacancy and sent a message to that effect I have people working far and wide around that time and you wonder how on earth they got to know of the vacancy, more often than not a check of the census finds people from the same village or local area or the employer was from that area, or just owned property there Your mention of temperance movement sounds worthwhile following up, I could see an enthusiastic member being sent to another area Is there a reason for seeking the information particularly Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Possibilities that I can think of include personal recommendation, but I > know of no family connections between Market Harborough and Woodstock before > Archie arrived; he was a staunch member of the Temperance movement so it > could have been a recommendation within that, but it seems unlikely to draw > someone 'unknown' from further afield ... > > Or could he have responded to an advertisement? That's my real question: I > have failed to find any such adverts being placed, so were such things done > in the latter part of the 1890s? And if so, not having found such an advert > in the Times (which would have reached outside the county of Oxfordshire), > where best to look? > > My two current brick walls then, if anyone has ideas of where to look. > > Chris Howes

Some might recall my attempts to trace the movements of my great grandfather Archie Dunkley around the Hanborough area in the late 1800s and early 1900s - with the help of folk here, I made some advances and in the following months a great deal more. I'm now coming up with a couple more general queries on ideas where to try next ... I now know that in June 1894, Archie Dunkley left Manitoba in Canada for England. Neither I nor others I corresponded with could find him on a ship sailing for the UK (there are strong suggestions he came direct, not via some other country). I've failed thus far to work out whether there are records that are yet unscanned (thus there is not yet a record of his travel available, but it might exist) or whether everything that is known to exist has been documented and is on Ancestry or similar (and thus I'm chasing something I am unlikely to find). Does anyone know? Second, at some point between his arrival in England (when presumably he went to his family's home in Market Harborough) he obtained work in Hanborough. He was a clerk in Canada and was one again in Oxfordshire, but I can't place him in the Woodstock area until late in 1899, when I presume that he was employed there (he certainly was in the 1901 census). My question here concerns how people at that time might have learned of employment opportunities. Possibilities that I can think of include personal recommendation, but I know of no family connections between Market Harborough and Woodstock before Archie arrived; he was a staunch member of the Temperance movement so it could have been a recommendation within that, but it seems unlikely to draw someone 'unknown' from further afield ... Or could he have responded to an advertisement? That's my real question: I have failed to find any such adverts being placed, so were such things done in the latter part of the 1890s? And if so, not having found such an advert in the Times (which would have reached outside the county of Oxfordshire), where best to look? My two current brick walls then, if anyone has ideas of where to look. Chris Howes

Monday 12 December The Vale of the White Horse Branch of Berkshire Family History Society will be having their Christmas Meeting. We will be having a question and answer session, we will have our laptops online and there will be a chance for members to tell us about their own experiences in Family History research. So why not join us for some nibbles and Christmas cheer. Monthly meetings are held at Long Furlong Community Centre, Boulter Drive Abingdon at 7.15pm for 7.30pm start. Where there is ample free parking. Everyone welcome. For more information email Vale@BerksFHS.org.uk or phone 07851206313 Sue Matthews Programme Secretary Vale of the White Horse Branch Berkshire Family History Society

Elizabeth and others who have contributed to this query, Both the original register and the Bishops Transcripts have been checked by Wendy Archer and the marriage is in both. I can't explain why the marriage was missed from both the Register Transcript and the Marriage Index because I always thought they were done independently by different people. However both will now be updated. We do appreciate hearing of any transcript errors or omissions and do try to make corrections as quickly as possible. Hugh Kearsey O.F.H.S. Projects coordinator ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Adams" <betkimadams@yahoo.co.uk> To: <OXFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 9:05 AM Subject: [OXF] Marriages > Thank you for all the replies to my queery. > > The marriage listed as "extracted" on the IGI with prefix and number > M022081 is:- > > 13 October 1825 at Bampton > Charles CLACK & Maria JONES > > I have the Bampton transcripts and cannot see it there. > > Elizabeth > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: > http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you very much Heather. Marcelle -----Original Message----- From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of The Quineys Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011 6:09 AM To: OXFORD Subject: [OXF] Understanding IGI Batch Numbers Hopefully I have replied to all who asked for a copy of the pdf file I had from LDS explaining what all the prefixes of their batch numbers mean. I was aware that the file I had was 10 years old, so contacted them for their latest version. They have, in turn, directed me to this page on their wiki website ... https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/IGI_Batch_Number_Descriptions I hope that this helps everyone in their family history research :-) Heather ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message