Message from our Branch Chairperson Happy New Year! Just a reminder that we have a branch meeting on Monday 16th January. Our speaker this month is local historian Tony Hadland. He will be telling us about how a DNA test can help resolve problems you may come across researching your family history. Tony's talk relates to how he resolved an issue with a Spanish link to his Grandmother (I think). As usual the talk will start about 7.30 pm and we will have time for a coffee and chat afterwards. Hope you can make it. Best wishes, Vanessa Monthly meetings are held at Long Furlong Community Centre, Boulter Drive Abingdon at 7.15pm for 7.30pm start. Where there is ample free parking. Everyone welcome. For more information email Vale@BerksFHS.org.uk or phone 07851206313 Sue Matthews Programme Secretary Vale of the White Horse Branch Berkshire Family History Society

Bucks Genealogical Society are offering a chance to solve your problems - BREAKING DOWN BRICK WALLS in ANCESTRY, with demolition led by Eve McLaughlin plus a computer advice session by Greg Davies and a generous supply of reading matter from national and county family history magazines, as well as the usual basic research material. Special is the Buckingham/Brill Summons Book for Petty sessions. Date is the usual second Saturday, Jan 14 (not the 8th as stated in one source) Venue is the new location, Southcourt Community Centre, Prebendal Ave, Aylesbury. Approach from A418, turn left into Churchill Ave and left again at the small roundabout, and it is on the left a few yards down. Doors open for 2.15, Bookstall, full library, coffee etc at 4.15pm. Enquiries 01844 291631 or eve@varneys.org.uk EVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society

Hi all 49 more wills etc have been added today to the Library. Surnames included (in standardised form) are: Allam Allen Bennett Blake Box Breemer Buckett Bushnell Butler Dutton Fortnam French Gill Green Hedges Hewett Holliday Horne Hunt Ibbott James Kent Kirtland Minchin Moulder Novoye Pettifer Rippington Shepherd Simmons Smith_ Stockwell Taylor Thompson Tollett Walford Whistler Wickes Wilder Williams Dave Beames

Wow, what a response :-) My grateful thanks to all those who replied. Much though I'd have liked it to be a Temple of Excuses, it seems clear that it was Exeter House (once owned by Lord Burghley, Queen Elizabeth's money manager), which was being temporarily used because the PCC's usual home at Doctor's Commons had been burnt down in 1666 in the Great Fire. Thanks again to all . . . DaveB

> 535 Keziah WILLIFER If anyone is interested in the Willifer name, I have an odd bit of information about a Valentine Willifer, who had possession of money but not entirely of his wits. He lent some to a widow, then was never sufficienttly compos to let her lawyer discharge the debt. (1850s) EVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society

> > > I have asked several colleagues and no one > > has a clear answer although they really enjoyed your e-mail. We > > would like to see what comes up at Forums. Anthony Camp, a famous > > British genealogist, watches the Forums page and we're hoping that > > he answers it. I have the answer, I think., There were two Exeter Houses. Exeter House in the Strand was the site of the Bishop of Exeter's London House; then (in Elizabeth's time) it passed through the hands of Lord Paget, the earl of Leicester and the Earl of Essex, taking the name of the new owner each time. After a very short time in the ownership of lord Hertford (so Hertford House) it was started collapsing and was half converted, with provision for a sort of shopping mall of boutiques , then the whole remains were demolished in 1682 and Essex street built in its place. This had me really puzzled - the name changes, the demolition etc. BUT I have the solution. There was another Extetr house on the corner of Wellington St, Strand. After the original ExeterHouse became Essex House, Lord Burleigh acquired a home in the same area, which had been the rectory of St Clements, then belonged to Sir Thomas Palmer. He forfeited it for treasoin and Elizabeth gave it to her minister, Robert Cecil, from when it was called Cecil House. then Burleigh House when he was given a title, His son,Thomas was promoted to Earl of Exeter, after which it became Exeter House . But the Cecil family didn't want to use it any more -after a brief let as below, it was divided, partly into shops, plus a wild beast meneagerie and was rebuilt as Exeter Change. with 48 shops and various exntertainment venues.(including a great bed 18ft wide, on which well known people were laid out so that the public could come and gawp, paying 2s6d for the privilege.) BUT briefly, after the Great Fire, Doctors' Commons had to find a new home, so they took a short lease of Exeter House as vacated by the Cecils, Of course, Doctors' Commons was the home of the ecclesiastical lawyers who handled legal business for the Church, and a major part of that business was the proving of wills. Hence your wills must date from the post Great Fire period, and within the next ten or fifteen years. I am indebted mainly to Old and New London for this information. EVE Author of the McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society

Hello Everyone, I got a response from Anthony Camp. This is what he says. "The Prerogative Court of Canterbury normally sat at Doctors' Commons near St Paul's Cathedral but this was destroyed in the Great Fire and until it was rebuilt the Court sat at Exeter House (sometimes called Burghley House or Cecil House) in the Strand. So this is Exeter House. It was demolished shortly afterwards." Dave - I hope that helps. Margo -----Original Message----- From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margo Mckinstry Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:59 AM To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OXF] A smidgin of Latin Dave, I hope this isn't presumptious, but I would like to post this on Forums at FamilySearch. I have asked several colleagues and no one has a clear answer although they really enjoyed your e-mail. We would like to see what comes up at Forums. Anthony Camp, a famous British genealogist, watches the Forums page and we're hoping that he answers it. I will get back to you as soon as I know the answer. Margo McKinstry British Research Consultant FamilySearch -----Original Message----- From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Beames Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 8:54 AM To: OXFORD Subject: [OXF] A smidgin of Latin Hi all As some listers know, I co-ordinate the OFHS Wills Library Project. A couple of times lately, ploughing through PCC wills to be added to the Library, I have come across an odd phrase in the official note which is added to the will when it is "proved": This time, it's with the 1670 will of Thomas Allen of Goring. "Probatum ... apud aedes Exonienses scituat' in le Strand in Comitatu' Middlesex..." That's "Proved ... at aedes Exonienses situated in the Strand in the County of Middlesex..." But what's "aedes Exonienses " ?? Well, "aedes" is said to be a temple or a house, and an exonium (or essonium) was in English law an excuse for non-appearance at a Court Baron. While I love the idea of a Temple of Excuses, it doesn't seem to have much to do with granting Probate, which has to be done at a court of some kind, and in this case was at the Prerogative Court of Canterbury. Where DID the PCC sit? I'd thought maybe at Lambeth, but was it in the Strand, where the Law Courts are today? The tube station nearest to the Law Courts is called Temple Bar, which presumably meant something long before the tube was invented. I'm wondering whether "aedes Exonienses" was the nearest the scribes could think of (in Latin) to "Temple Bar". But please does anyone actually KNOW ? DaveB ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi David There is also a mention of the phrase in the National Archives Probate 11/338 ff 167-8 see www.oxford-shakespeare.com/Probate/PROB_11-338_ff_167-8.pdf. Which has a translation of it. Mike Fisher in Droitwich my family tree http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com David Beames wrote: > Hi all > > As some listers know, I co-ordinate the OFHS Wills Library Project. > > A couple of times lately, ploughing through PCC wills to be added to the Library, I have come across an odd phrase in the official note which is added to the will when it is "proved": > This time, it's with the 1670 will of Thomas Allen of Goring. > > "Probatum ... apud aedes Exonienses scituat' in le Strand in Comitatu' Middlesex..." > > That's "Proved ... at aedes Exonienses situated in the Strand in the County of Middlesex..." > > But what's "aedes Exonienses " ?? > > Well, "aedes" is said to be a temple or a house, and an exonium (or essonium) was in English law an excuse for non-appearance at a Court Baron. > While I love the idea of a Temple of Excuses, it doesn't seem to have much to do with granting Probate, which has to be done at a court of some kind, and in this case was at the Prerogative Court of Canterbury. > > Where DID the PCC sit? I'd thought maybe at Lambeth, but was it in the Strand, where the Law Courts are today? > > The tube station nearest to the Law Courts is called Temple Bar, which presumably meant something long before the tube was invented. > I'm wondering whether "aedes Exonienses" was the nearest the scribes could think of (in Latin) to "Temple Bar". > > But please does anyone actually KNOW ? > > DaveB > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello David, As you know I am leading a group of our history society members in our Wills project here in Kingston Bagpuize with Southmoor. We intend to transcribe the wills for Longworth and Hinton Waldrist too. David Vaisey ex Bodleian Librarian is our tutor and has the onerous task of checking our work. So I asked David about this for you and this is what he said. ============= Dear Jill, 'Aedes' in docs like this simply means House or Hall - and there was an Exeter Hall in The Strand at that date (according to a quick Google check.) I suppose it could have been one of the places where the officials of the PCC met to grant probate, but I haven't checked that. It oughtn't to be too difficult to check. Best Christmas wishes, David ============ If these are PCC Wills, would it be a good idea to ask someone in that department at The National Archives? They are really very good at helping. HTH Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year Jill -----Original Message----- From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike in Droitwich Sent: 19 December 2011 18:01 To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OXF] A smidgin of Latin Hi David Have you tried using Google's More/Translate Latin to English facility It's interesting. Mike Fisher in Droitwich my family tree http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com David Beames wrote: > Hi all > > As some listers know, I co-ordinate the OFHS Wills Library Project. > > A couple of times lately, ploughing through PCC wills to be added to the Library, I have come across an odd phrase in the official note which is added to the will when it is "proved": > This time, it's with the 1670 will of Thomas Allen of Goring. > > "Probatum ... apud aedes Exonienses scituat' in le Strand in Comitatu' Middlesex..." > > That's "Proved ... at aedes Exonienses situated in the Strand in the County of Middlesex..." > > But what's "aedes Exonienses " ?? > > Well, "aedes" is said to be a temple or a house, and an exonium (or essonium) was in English law an excuse for non-appearance at a Court Baron. > While I love the idea of a Temple of Excuses, it doesn't seem to have much to do with granting Probate, which has to be done at a court of some kind, and in this case was at the Prerogative Court of Canterbury. > > Where DID the PCC sit? I'd thought maybe at Lambeth, but was it in the Strand, where the Law Courts are today? > > The tube station nearest to the Law Courts is called Temple Bar, which presumably meant something long before the tube was invented. > I'm wondering whether "aedes Exonienses" was the nearest the scribes could think of (in Latin) to "Temple Bar". > > But please does anyone actually KNOW ? > > DaveB > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi David Have you tried using Google's More/Translate Latin to English facility It's interesting. Mike Fisher in Droitwich my family tree http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com David Beames wrote: > Hi all > > As some listers know, I co-ordinate the OFHS Wills Library Project. > > A couple of times lately, ploughing through PCC wills to be added to the Library, I have come across an odd phrase in the official note which is added to the will when it is "proved": > This time, it's with the 1670 will of Thomas Allen of Goring. > > "Probatum ... apud aedes Exonienses scituat' in le Strand in Comitatu' Middlesex..." > > That's "Proved ... at aedes Exonienses situated in the Strand in the County of Middlesex..." > > But what's "aedes Exonienses " ?? > > Well, "aedes" is said to be a temple or a house, and an exonium (or essonium) was in English law an excuse for non-appearance at a Court Baron. > While I love the idea of a Temple of Excuses, it doesn't seem to have much to do with granting Probate, which has to be done at a court of some kind, and in this case was at the Prerogative Court of Canterbury. > > Where DID the PCC sit? I'd thought maybe at Lambeth, but was it in the Strand, where the Law Courts are today? > > The tube station nearest to the Law Courts is called Temple Bar, which presumably meant something long before the tube was invented. > I'm wondering whether "aedes Exonienses" was the nearest the scribes could think of (in Latin) to "Temple Bar". > > But please does anyone actually KNOW ? > > DaveB > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Margo > I hope this isn't presumptious, but I would like to post this on > Forums at FamilySearch. Oh, please do, by all means :-) > I have asked several colleagues and no one > has a clear answer although they really enjoyed your e-mail. We > would like to see what comes up at Forums. Anthony Camp, a famous > British genealogist, watches the Forums page and we're hoping that > he answers it. It has been suggested to me that "Exoniensis" is the title of the Diocese of Exeter, so that it might mean "Exeter House". But that was only a guess. > I will get back to you as soon as I know the answer. Yes please, and thank you for your interest :-) Best wishes . . . Dave

There's info on Temple Bar at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Bar,_London Cliff Going off on a sidetrack (as it's Christmas) I worked for an insurance company where the athletic club was at one time called the Temple Bar Athletic Club. We used to enter the Rottingdean Windmill walks and marathon. One year they insisted that we won the largest Pub entry award! -----Original Message----- From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Beames Sent: 19 December 2011 15:54 To: OXFORD Subject: [OXF] A smidgin of Latin Hi all As some listers know, I co-ordinate the OFHS Wills Library Project. A couple of times lately, ploughing through PCC wills to be added to the Library, I have come across an odd phrase in the official note which is added to the will when it is "proved": This time, it's with the 1670 will of Thomas Allen of Goring. "Probatum ... apud aedes Exonienses scituat' in le Strand in Comitatu' Middlesex..." That's "Proved ... at aedes Exonienses situated in the Strand in the County of Middlesex..." But what's "aedes Exonienses " ?? Well, "aedes" is said to be a temple or a house, and an exonium (or essonium) was in English law an excuse for non-appearance at a Court Baron. While I love the idea of a Temple of Excuses, it doesn't seem to have much to do with granting Probate, which has to be done at a court of some kind, and in this case was at the Prerogative Court of Canterbury. Where DID the PCC sit? I'd thought maybe at Lambeth, but was it in the Strand, where the Law Courts are today? The tube station nearest to the Law Courts is called Temple Bar, which presumably meant something long before the tube was invented. I'm wondering whether "aedes Exonienses" was the nearest the scribes could think of (in Latin) to "Temple Bar". But please does anyone actually KNOW ? DaveB ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dave, According to Eileen A Gooder's Latin for local History Aedes - house ; lawyer's chambers Is the 2nd word correct? Exoneratio, - ionis - discharge, exoneration According to an old National Archives book I have it says that 'It sat in London in Doctors' Commons'. This is noted as 'an institution like the inns of court, but housing civilian lawyers'. I didn't spot any specific address. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Beames Sent: 19 December 2011 15:54 To: OXFORD Subject: [OXF] A smidgin of Latin Hi all As some listers know, I co-ordinate the OFHS Wills Library Project. A couple of times lately, ploughing through PCC wills to be added to the Library, I have come across an odd phrase in the official note which is added to the will when it is "proved": This time, it's with the 1670 will of Thomas Allen of Goring. "Probatum ... apud aedes Exonienses scituat' in le Strand in Comitatu' Middlesex..." That's "Proved ... at aedes Exonienses situated in the Strand in the County of Middlesex..." But what's "aedes Exonienses " ?? Well, "aedes" is said to be a temple or a house, and an exonium (or essonium) was in English law an excuse for non-appearance at a Court Baron. While I love the idea of a Temple of Excuses, it doesn't seem to have much to do with granting Probate, which has to be done at a court of some kind, and in this case was at the Prerogative Court of Canterbury. Where DID the PCC sit? I'd thought maybe at Lambeth, but was it in the Strand, where the Law Courts are today? The tube station nearest to the Law Courts is called Temple Bar, which presumably meant something long before the tube was invented. I'm wondering whether "aedes Exonienses" was the nearest the scribes could think of (in Latin) to "Temple Bar". But please does anyone actually KNOW ? DaveB ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dave, I hope this isn't presumptious, but I would like to post this on Forums at FamilySearch. I have asked several colleagues and no one has a clear answer although they really enjoyed your e-mail. We would like to see what comes up at Forums. Anthony Camp, a famous British genealogist, watches the Forums page and we're hoping that he answers it. I will get back to you as soon as I know the answer. Margo McKinstry British Research Consultant FamilySearch -----Original Message----- From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Beames Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 8:54 AM To: OXFORD Subject: [OXF] A smidgin of Latin Hi all As some listers know, I co-ordinate the OFHS Wills Library Project. A couple of times lately, ploughing through PCC wills to be added to the Library, I have come across an odd phrase in the official note which is added to the will when it is "proved": This time, it's with the 1670 will of Thomas Allen of Goring. "Probatum ... apud aedes Exonienses scituat' in le Strand in Comitatu' Middlesex..." That's "Proved ... at aedes Exonienses situated in the Strand in the County of Middlesex..." But what's "aedes Exonienses " ?? Well, "aedes" is said to be a temple or a house, and an exonium (or essonium) was in English law an excuse for non-appearance at a Court Baron. While I love the idea of a Temple of Excuses, it doesn't seem to have much to do with granting Probate, which has to be done at a court of some kind, and in this case was at the Prerogative Court of Canterbury. Where DID the PCC sit? I'd thought maybe at Lambeth, but was it in the Strand, where the Law Courts are today? The tube station nearest to the Law Courts is called Temple Bar, which presumably meant something long before the tube was invented. I'm wondering whether "aedes Exonienses" was the nearest the scribes could think of (in Latin) to "Temple Bar". But please does anyone actually KNOW ? DaveB ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.

My other half advises me that Exonienses is Latin for of, or pertaining to, Exeter. So aedes Exonienses would appear to be Exeter House. Pauline On 19/12/2011 15:53, David Beames wrote: > Hi all > > As some listers know, I co-ordinate the OFHS Wills Library Project. > > A couple of times lately, ploughing through PCC wills to be added to the Library, I have come across an odd phrase in the official note which is added to the will when it is "proved": > This time, it's with the 1670 will of Thomas Allen of Goring. > > "Probatum ... apud aedes Exonienses scituat' in le Strand in Comitatu' Middlesex..." > > That's "Proved ... at aedes Exonienses situated in the Strand in the County of Middlesex..." > > But what's "aedes Exonienses " ?? > > Well, "aedes" is said to be a temple or a house, and an exonium (or essonium) was in English law an excuse for non-appearance at a Court Baron. > While I love the idea of a Temple of Excuses, it doesn't seem to have much to do with granting Probate, which has to be done at a court of some kind, and in this case was at the Prerogative Court of Canterbury. > > Where DID the PCC sit? I'd thought maybe at Lambeth, but was it in the Strand, where the Law Courts are today? > > The tube station nearest to the Law Courts is called Temple Bar, which presumably meant something long before the tube was invented. > I'm wondering whether "aedes Exonienses" was the nearest the scribes could think of (in Latin) to "Temple Bar". > > But please does anyone actually KNOW ? > > DaveB

Hi all As some listers know, I co-ordinate the OFHS Wills Library Project. A couple of times lately, ploughing through PCC wills to be added to the Library, I have come across an odd phrase in the official note which is added to the will when it is "proved": This time, it's with the 1670 will of Thomas Allen of Goring. "Probatum ... apud aedes Exonienses scituat' in le Strand in Comitatu' Middlesex..." That's "Proved ... at aedes Exonienses situated in the Strand in the County of Middlesex..." But what's "aedes Exonienses " ?? Well, "aedes" is said to be a temple or a house, and an exonium (or essonium) was in English law an excuse for non-appearance at a Court Baron. While I love the idea of a Temple of Excuses, it doesn't seem to have much to do with granting Probate, which has to be done at a court of some kind, and in this case was at the Prerogative Court of Canterbury. Where DID the PCC sit? I'd thought maybe at Lambeth, but was it in the Strand, where the Law Courts are today? The tube station nearest to the Law Courts is called Temple Bar, which presumably meant something long before the tube was invented. I'm wondering whether "aedes Exonienses" was the nearest the scribes could think of (in Latin) to "Temple Bar". But please does anyone actually KNOW ? DaveB

Hi Dave, There was an Exeter House in the Strand at that time (according to Wikipedia): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exeter_House_%28London%29 Cheers, Katherine On 19/12/2011 11:42 AM, Pauline & Arthur Kennedy wrote: > My other half advises me that Exonienses is Latin for of, or > pertaining to, Exeter. So aedes Exonienses would appear to be Exeter > House. > > Pauline > > On 19/12/2011 15:53, David Beames wrote: >> A couple of times lately, ploughing through PCC wills to be added >> to the Library, I have come across an odd phrase in the official >> note which is added to the will when it is "proved": This time, >> it's with the 1670 will of Thomas Allen of Goring. >> >> "Probatum ... apud aedes Exonienses scituat' in le Strand in >> Comitatu' Middlesex..." >> >> That's "Proved ... at aedes Exonienses situated in the Strand in >> the County of Middlesex..." >> >> But what's "aedes Exonienses " ??

Dave: Is/was there such a place as Exeter House? Exon = Exeter. Regards, John Moore "Probatum ... apud aedes Exonienses scituat' in le Strand in Comitatu' Middlesex..." > > That's "Proved ... at aedes Exonienses situated in the Strand in the > County of Middlesex..." > > But what's "aedes Exonienses " ?? > > Well, "aedes" is said to be a temple or a house, and an exonium (or > essonium) was in English law an excuse for non-appearance at a Court Baron. > While I love the idea of a Temple of Excuses, it doesn't seem to have much > to do with granting Probate, which has to be done at a court of some kind, > and in this case was at the Prerogative Court of Canterbury. > > Where DID the PCC sit? I'd thought maybe at Lambeth, but was it in the > Strand, where the Law Courts are today? > > The tube station nearest to the Law Courts is called Temple Bar, which > presumably meant something long before the tube was invented. > I'm wondering whether "aedes Exonienses" was the nearest the scribes could > think of (in Latin) to "Temple Bar". > > But please does anyone actually KNOW ? > > DaveB > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: > http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Alan, I am sure your remark was tongue in cheek? I totally agree with Wendy's comments. I was the co-ordinator for Monumental transcriptions in Oxfordshire for OFHS and I can tell you that if you have ever lain facedown on the ground transcribing that information below the soil level by digging out carefully with a trowel, which is often what we do in all sorts of weather, then think of how many hours are put into a whole graveyard. I have seen a stone fall when being transcribed luckily just missing the transcriber. Six pounds! Cheap at the price. These CDs are worth every penny of the OFHS's amazing £6.00. Many societies charge more. My best wishes, Jill http://gravematters.org.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wendy Archer Sent: 17 December 2011 17:28 To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OXF] Bloxham - OFHS photographic CD of its MonumentalInscriptions Alan - At £6 each including VAT & postage, they're already a bargain when you consider the Bloxham team was on bended knee one day a week all summer, fighting off the brambles & the nettles ... But Hugh who sends them out might well manage a piece of festive ribbon with the CDs!! There's a picture of one of the stones from the 1600s, together with its inscription, on the Oxfordshire Family History Society's Facebook page at http://www.facebook.com/oxfordshirefhs. Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Nelson" <atgn@elder53.plus.com> To: <oxfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [OXF] Bloxham - OFHS photographic CD of its MonumentalInscriptions > is it a bogof offer ie buy one get one free > Happy Christmas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wendy Archer" <wharcher@cvd.co.uk> > To: <oxfordshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 3:06 PM > Subject: [OXF] Bloxham - OFHS photographic CD of its Monumental > Inscriptions > > >> Further to my post about the Sutton Courtenay MI (Monumental Inscription) >> CD, the OFHS MI team has also been on bended knee over the summer in the >> north of the county, and has now completed and released a CD of the >> Monumental Inscriptions of the graveyard of St Marys church, Bloxham. >> The >> CD contains photographs and transcripts (where legible) of every stone, >> plus >> a name index and a plan linked to the photographs. >> >> There's a link to the CD purchase details from the OFHS home page at >> http://www.ofhs.org.uk/ >> >> Wendy >> Chairman, Oxfordshire FHS >> www.ofhs.org.uk

Marilyn - > Edward HOLLOWAY was buried in Aynho, Northants age 72 26th Oct 1872. > Abode looks as though it might be Bernards or Bemards Green. > I need help in identifing this place please. > > His death was registerred in Bicester District. In the 1871 census (OFHS images) his residence is Baynard's Green Farmhouse & Cottage, in Stoke Lyne, but he & his family were a Northamptonshire family by birth. Wendy