Hi Steve > Not sure if it is really an Oxford will I've got a tribe of > COCKBILLs who lived in Brailes, Warwicks but this one happened to > own land in Shutford as well - I stand to be advised! Our self-imposed limits are something like this: If a will from outside Oxon mentions people or even property or places in Oxon, that's OK. If a testator or his ancestors can be shown to have moved out of Oxon within one (or at a pinch two) generations, that's OK The same applies if his descendants move into Oxon later. Of course, if you happen to know how he came to have property in Shutford, that'd be even better :-) I'll leave it to you to decide whether the connection is strong enough. Regards . . . Dave

Hi Steve > my old ancestor must have been quite a > guy in terms of the land he was farming - most of it in Warwicks > but he did have "two yard lands" plus two meadows and premises in > Shutford so at least the question was 'Oxford related'. In that case, are you going to contribute it to our Wills Library ::-) Or is it one that's already there? Regards . . . Dave

> Would "half yard land" be half the standard acreage of 'yardland'? > - just musing! Yes -- and I've seen "quarter yard land"s too. > And in which case I wonder if 'two yard land' might be double the > standard acreage ??? Yep :-) DaveB

Dave, Not sure if it is really an Oxford will I've got a tribe of COCKBILLs who lived in Brailes, Warwicks but this one happened to own land in Shutford as well - I stand to be advised! Steve

Many thanks to Paul , Howard and Dave who have cleared up the question over 'yardland' - my old ancestor must have been quite a guy in terms of the land he was farming - most of it in Warwicks but he did have "two yard lands" plus two meadows and premises in Shutford so at least the question was 'Oxford related'. I knew I'd get the answer on this list! Steve

Thanks for replies received about the term 'yardland' Would "half yard land" be half the standard acreage of 'yardland'? - just musing! And in which case I wonder if 'two yard land' might be double the standard acreage ??? Steve

Steve, A 'yeoman' was someone who owned land. "A man holding a small landed estate; a freeholder under the rank of a gentleman; hence vaguely, a commoner or countryman of respectable standing, esp. one who cultivates his own land." [OED] Paul has given you the definition of 'yardland'. Howard On 12/06/2012 20:49, SBrainstev@aol.com wrote: > > Can anyone offer an explanation of a few terms I have encountered in a > late seventeeth century will? > > The writer was a yeoman (at least that was what he called himself) and he > refers many times to various plots of land he wishes to bequeath : > > one-yard land two-yard-land and half-yard land > > is this a reference to old 'strip-farming' allocations prior to enclosures? > > Steve > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Oxfordshire Family History Society now has its own page on Facebook - www.facebook.com/oxfordshirefhs - press the "like" button to receive Society news& updates > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yard-Land Yard-Land a quantity of land, containing in some countries 20, in others 24, 30 and 40 acres; but at Wimbleton in Surry, no more than 15 Definition taken from The Universal Etymological Dictionary, edited by Nathan Bailey (1736). Found online. Or - Yardland From - the Harmsworth Encyclopedia c.1910 A yardland or virgate was an old English measure of land, varying from 10 to 30 or 40 acres. It was the normal holding of a tenant of arable land, and the variation probably arises from the fact that in early times land was measured more by quality than by extent. On 12-Jun-12 8:49 PM, SBrainstev@aol.com wrote: > > Can anyone offer an explanation of a few terms I have encountered in a > late seventeeth century will? > > The writer was a yeoman (at least that was what he called himself) and he > refers many times to various plots of land he wishes to bequeath : > > one-yard land two-yard-land and half-yard land > > is this a reference to old 'strip-farming' allocations prior to enclosures? > > Steve > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Oxfordshire Family History Society now has its own page on Facebook - www.facebook.com/oxfordshirefhs - press the "like" button to receive Society news& updates > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Can anyone offer an explanation of a few terms I have encountered in a late seventeeth century will? The writer was a yeoman (at least that was what he called himself) and he refers many times to various plots of land he wishes to bequeath : one-yard land two-yard-land and half-yard land is this a reference to old 'strip-farming' allocations prior to enclosures? Steve

Anna met Henry Long in Worcestershire not Oxford They never married he was already married to a Cornish lady Bur they met and came to Australian and had 11 children The are in the 1881 census in Aston Birmingham I think John Painting is with them brother of Annie I have all this been working on this for years But I also Have the parish records entry for James and Anna's birth I knew what the entry says about their first child being born out of wedlock. He was 6 moths old when they married. It is the Louisa Barnes part that I m confused about. Did you get the photo OK? Jill -----Original Message----- From: Joe Emery Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 1:18 AM To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton Hello Jill. Charles Edward Paintin was bapt. at Charlbury on 18.9.1828 son of Joseph & Mary. lab. of Hook Norton. PR. I have this, and most West Oxon.parishes, on my computer. The baptisms on "2.10.1859 of Paynton, Ann Maria dau. of James & Louisa,lab. and of Barnes/Paynton, James,illegitimate son of Louisa Barnes,spinster when the child was born - but now the wife of James Paynton.(child about 1/12 years old" are as written in the Hook Norton PRs. The OxFHS Marriage Index for 1538-1837 has no Painting married to a Long. My wife Beryl's mother was Eva Annie Painting of Charlbury b.1896 and her line goes back 10 generations to John Peyton Snr. b.1610 Kings Stanley,Glos.and Susanna Patye b.1617 Burford. so too long to send here. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Morley" <jillmorley@bigpond.com> To: <oxfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton > Thank you I agree with the first part but that is all I know > But I am not sure about the Charles > I will have to take another look at this before I change my work. > Don't get me wrong I want to do the best I can for My Gran > I do not want to make things up > Thank you again > Back to the drawing board for me > Jill > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Pickup > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 7:00 AM > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton > > Hope this may help eliminate some of the Josephs from the picture. > > Joseph, a widow, married Mary WIDDOWS in 1827 (it makes you wonder if > the marriage state had been confused with the maiden name). In 1828 > Joseph, a labourer, and Mary had a child, Charles Edward. The family > are said to be from Hook Norton. The 1841 census shows a Joseph and > Mary (Marcy on Ancestry) living in Hook Norton with 6 children, the > oldest being Charles (age 11). Joseph is described as a gardener. The > couple are also shown on the 1851 census for Hook Norton, still > described as a gardener. > > Joseph PAINTING, age 55, born Finstock, appears in the 1851 census for > Stonesfield, married to Martha. Joseph PAINTIN (wid) married Martha > STONE, 31 May 1830 at Stonesfield. This would appear to be the Joseph > baptized in Charlbury in 1797, son of Edward & Elizabeth. This > eliminates the first Joseph baptized in Charlbury as the husband of > Mary WIDDOWS. It does leave him open however as a possible husband of > Mary EDNEY. > > The Joseph who married Elizabeth HADLON in 1823 had as a witness Mary > Ann PAINTIN. Assuming this Mary Ann was Joseph's sibling, there were 4 > Mary Ann PAINTINs baptized in Charlbury around the relevant time. One > in 1802 to Jonathan & Susanna and one in 1805 to Elisha & Elizabeth. > Neither of these couples appeared to have a son called Joseph baptized > in Charlbury, so I would discount them. A third Mary Ann was baptized > in 1809 making her only about 14 at the time of the 1823 marriage, so > a little too young to be a witness. This would leave Mary Ann baptized > in 1801 daughter of Richard & Liddy. So my deduction would put the > Joseph married to Elizabeth HADLON as the son of Richard and Lydia > baptized in 1804. > > The 1861 census shows a Joseph PAINTON, age 57, widr, as a lodger with > William and Sarah PAINTON. Both Joseph and William have the > professions of carpenter. The father of this Joseph, Richard is also > shown on the 1841 census as a carpenter. So this seems to be a family > occupation. This would rule out this Joseph, son of Richard as the one > who married Mary WIDDOWS in 1827, described as a gardener. > > So this leaves either Joseph son of Stephen and Mary or Joseph son of > John and Ann as the Joseph who married Mary WIDDOWS while the other > married Mary GARDNER. The one marrying Mary GARDNER died in 1841. > Neither Mary EDNEY nor Elizabeth HADLON appears to have had children > before they died. Either the husband of Martha STONE or the husband of > Mary WIDDOWS could have been the husband of Mary EDNEY. If you find > the missing marriage, then this might help pin down which it was. > > Hope that helps a little. :) > > > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Joe Emery <joeemery@btinternet.com> wrote: >> Jill. >> Joseph was a widower when he married Mary Widdows in 1827. His first wife >> was almost certainly Mary (or Maria) Edney whom he married on 10.10.1822 >> at >> Charlbury and who, I feel sure, was buried there on 12.10.1825 "wife of >> Joseph, age 20" >> >> I say 'almost certainly' for on 25.6.1823 an Elizabeth Painten age "19 >> wife of Joseph" was also buried at Charlbury - so who knows ? >> >> On 3.3.1824 at Charlbury an Edward Paintin was bapt. son of Joseph & >> Mary, >> baker,of Charlbury. Now The Joseph who married Mary Widdows was a >> gardener >> and still was in 1841 and 1851 at Hook Norton ...so I don't think that >> Edward was a son of Mary Edney. >> >> As you will know, four Joseph Paintin/Paintons...were bapt. at Charlbury >> within 7 years of each other viz. in 1797 son of Edward & Elizabeth; 1798 >> there were two, one a son of Stephen & Mary and the other a son of John & >> Ann - and in 1804 a son of Richard and Lydia. >> >> It was probably three of those who married at Charlbury within 5 years of >> each other, one to Edney in 1822; one to Hadlon in 1823 and another to >> Gardner also in 1823, and one to Widdows in 1827 >> whom I think had firstly married Edney.But because in none of those >> marriages are the parents mentioned in the Parish Registers it is >> impossible >> to say which Joseph married when and to whom. Unless they appear in other >> documents that show their relationship to their parents,that position will >> not alter. >> I have 12 different ways of spelling Paintin and the family is one great >> tangled problem. Joe >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Morley" <jillmorley@bigpond.com> >> To: <oxfordshire@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton >> >> >> > Thank you for your reply but >> > Well you threw me then >> > >> > James Painting who married Louisa b]Barnes I believe is the son of >> Joseph >> > Painting and Mary WIDDOWS? >> > I have never heard of Mary Edney? >> > Can you tell me why you say this? >> > >> > James Painting and Louisa Barnes are my G Great Grand Parents >> > Their daughter Anna Maria [ Annie Painting] is my Great Grand mother >> > I can give you a picture of Louisa and James Painting - Paynton >> > if you want one for you research >> > >> > I am in the middle or rapping up my research on my families >> > Had enough after nearly 30 years and this family has always been my >> > favourite >> > Since Gladys [ Annie's daughter] my grandmother was the only grand >> parent I >> > knew. >> > Plus Annie is a bit of a hero to me a pioneer in far north Queensland. >> > >> > Please can you tell me why you say EDNEY?? >> > And who is she? >> > >> > I am sure I had mine right but......!!!! >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Joe Emery >> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 4:58 PM >> > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton >> > >> > Good morning Jill. >> > My wife's mother was a Painting of Charlbury and I have some from Hook >> > Norton including one James Paintin/Paynton (son of Joseph Paintin & >> Mary >> > Edney who had 8 children) who married Louisa Barnes (dau. of William) >> at >> > Nook Norton on 23.10.1858 and who in turn had 6 children. Joe >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Morley" <jillmorley@bigpond.com> >> > To: "Oxfordshire" <OXFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 6:40 AM >> > Subject: [OXF] Hook Norton >> > >> > >> > > Hi >> > > Is there anyone on this list who is researching PAINTING / PAYNTON >> or >> > BARNES >> > > in Hook Norton. >> > > >> > > Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY >> > > jillmorley@bigpond.com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Oxfordshire Family History Society now has its own page on Facebook - > www.facebook.com/oxfordshirefhs - press the "like" button to receive Society > news & updates > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Oxfordshire Family History Society now has its own page on Facebook - www.facebook.com/oxfordshirefhs - press the "like" button to receive Society news & updates > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oxfordshire Family History Society now has its own page on Facebook - www.facebook.com/oxfordshirefhs - press the "like" button to receive Society news & updates ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Jill. Charles Edward Paintin was bapt. at Charlbury on 18.9.1828 son of Joseph & Mary. lab. of Hook Norton. PR. I have this, and most West Oxon.parishes, on my computer. The baptisms on "2.10.1859 of Paynton, Ann Maria dau. of James & Louisa,lab. and of Barnes/Paynton, James,illegitimate son of Louisa Barnes,spinster when the child was born - but now the wife of James Paynton.(child about 1/12 years old" are as written in the Hook Norton PRs. The OxFHS Marriage Index for 1538-1837 has no Painting married to a Long. My wife Beryl's mother was Eva Annie Painting of Charlbury b.1896 and her line goes back 10 generations to John Peyton Snr. b.1610 Kings Stanley,Glos.and Susanna Patye b.1617 Burford. so too long to send here. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Morley" <jillmorley@bigpond.com> To: <oxfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton > Thank you I agree with the first part but that is all I know > But I am not sure about the Charles > I will have to take another look at this before I change my work. > Don't get me wrong I want to do the best I can for My Gran > I do not want to make things up > Thank you again > Back to the drawing board for me > Jill > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Pickup > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 7:00 AM > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton > > Hope this may help eliminate some of the Josephs from the picture. > > Joseph, a widow, married Mary WIDDOWS in 1827 (it makes you wonder if > the marriage state had been confused with the maiden name). In 1828 > Joseph, a labourer, and Mary had a child, Charles Edward. The family > are said to be from Hook Norton. The 1841 census shows a Joseph and > Mary (Marcy on Ancestry) living in Hook Norton with 6 children, the > oldest being Charles (age 11). Joseph is described as a gardener. The > couple are also shown on the 1851 census for Hook Norton, still > described as a gardener. > > Joseph PAINTING, age 55, born Finstock, appears in the 1851 census for > Stonesfield, married to Martha. Joseph PAINTIN (wid) married Martha > STONE, 31 May 1830 at Stonesfield. This would appear to be the Joseph > baptized in Charlbury in 1797, son of Edward & Elizabeth. This > eliminates the first Joseph baptized in Charlbury as the husband of > Mary WIDDOWS. It does leave him open however as a possible husband of > Mary EDNEY. > > The Joseph who married Elizabeth HADLON in 1823 had as a witness Mary > Ann PAINTIN. Assuming this Mary Ann was Joseph's sibling, there were 4 > Mary Ann PAINTINs baptized in Charlbury around the relevant time. One > in 1802 to Jonathan & Susanna and one in 1805 to Elisha & Elizabeth. > Neither of these couples appeared to have a son called Joseph baptized > in Charlbury, so I would discount them. A third Mary Ann was baptized > in 1809 making her only about 14 at the time of the 1823 marriage, so > a little too young to be a witness. This would leave Mary Ann baptized > in 1801 daughter of Richard & Liddy. So my deduction would put the > Joseph married to Elizabeth HADLON as the son of Richard and Lydia > baptized in 1804. > > The 1861 census shows a Joseph PAINTON, age 57, widr, as a lodger with > William and Sarah PAINTON. Both Joseph and William have the > professions of carpenter. The father of this Joseph, Richard is also > shown on the 1841 census as a carpenter. So this seems to be a family > occupation. This would rule out this Joseph, son of Richard as the one > who married Mary WIDDOWS in 1827, described as a gardener. > > So this leaves either Joseph son of Stephen and Mary or Joseph son of > John and Ann as the Joseph who married Mary WIDDOWS while the other > married Mary GARDNER. The one marrying Mary GARDNER died in 1841. > Neither Mary EDNEY nor Elizabeth HADLON appears to have had children > before they died. Either the husband of Martha STONE or the husband of > Mary WIDDOWS could have been the husband of Mary EDNEY. If you find > the missing marriage, then this might help pin down which it was. > > Hope that helps a little. :) > > > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Joe Emery <joeemery@btinternet.com> wrote: >> Jill. >> Joseph was a widower when he married Mary Widdows in 1827. His first wife >> was almost certainly Mary (or Maria) Edney whom he married on 10.10.1822 >> at >> Charlbury and who, I feel sure, was buried there on 12.10.1825 "wife of >> Joseph, age 20" >> >> I say 'almost certainly' for on 25.6.1823 an Elizabeth Painten age "19 >> wife of Joseph" was also buried at Charlbury - so who knows ? >> >> On 3.3.1824 at Charlbury an Edward Paintin was bapt. son of Joseph & >> Mary, >> baker,of Charlbury. Now The Joseph who married Mary Widdows was a >> gardener >> and still was in 1841 and 1851 at Hook Norton ...so I don't think that >> Edward was a son of Mary Edney. >> >> As you will know, four Joseph Paintin/Paintons...were bapt. at Charlbury >> within 7 years of each other viz. in 1797 son of Edward & Elizabeth; 1798 >> there were two, one a son of Stephen & Mary and the other a son of John & >> Ann - and in 1804 a son of Richard and Lydia. >> >> It was probably three of those who married at Charlbury within 5 years of >> each other, one to Edney in 1822; one to Hadlon in 1823 and another to >> Gardner also in 1823, and one to Widdows in 1827 >> whom I think had firstly married Edney.But because in none of those >> marriages are the parents mentioned in the Parish Registers it is >> impossible >> to say which Joseph married when and to whom. Unless they appear in other >> documents that show their relationship to their parents,that position will >> not alter. >> I have 12 different ways of spelling Paintin and the family is one great >> tangled problem. Joe >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Morley" <jillmorley@bigpond.com> >> To: <oxfordshire@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton >> >> >> > Thank you for your reply but >> > Well you threw me then >> > >> > James Painting who married Louisa b]Barnes I believe is the son of >> Joseph >> > Painting and Mary WIDDOWS? >> > I have never heard of Mary Edney? >> > Can you tell me why you say this? >> > >> > James Painting and Louisa Barnes are my G Great Grand Parents >> > Their daughter Anna Maria [ Annie Painting] is my Great Grand mother >> > I can give you a picture of Louisa and James Painting - Paynton >> > if you want one for you research >> > >> > I am in the middle or rapping up my research on my families >> > Had enough after nearly 30 years and this family has always been my >> > favourite >> > Since Gladys [ Annie's daughter] my grandmother was the only grand >> parent I >> > knew. >> > Plus Annie is a bit of a hero to me a pioneer in far north Queensland. >> > >> > Please can you tell me why you say EDNEY?? >> > And who is she? >> > >> > I am sure I had mine right but......!!!! >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Joe Emery >> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 4:58 PM >> > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton >> > >> > Good morning Jill. >> > My wife's mother was a Painting of Charlbury and I have some from Hook >> > Norton including one James Paintin/Paynton (son of Joseph Paintin & >> Mary >> > Edney who had 8 children) who married Louisa Barnes (dau. of William) >> at >> > Nook Norton on 23.10.1858 and who in turn had 6 children. Joe >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Morley" <jillmorley@bigpond.com> >> > To: "Oxfordshire" <OXFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 6:40 AM >> > Subject: [OXF] Hook Norton >> > >> > >> > > Hi >> > > Is there anyone on this list who is researching PAINTING / PAYNTON >> or >> > BARNES >> > > in Hook Norton. >> > > >> > > Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY >> > > jillmorley@bigpond.com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Oxfordshire Family History Society now has its own page on Facebook - > www.facebook.com/oxfordshirefhs - press the "like" button to receive Society > news & updates > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Oxfordshire Family History Society now has its own page on Facebook - www.facebook.com/oxfordshirefhs - press the "like" button to receive Society news & updates > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you I agree with the first part but that is all I know But I am not sure about the Charles I will have to take another look at this before I change my work. Don't get me wrong I want to do the best I can for My Gran I do not want to make things up Thank you again Back to the drawing board for me Jill -----Original Message----- From: Craig Pickup Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 7:00 AM To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton Hope this may help eliminate some of the Josephs from the picture. Joseph, a widow, married Mary WIDDOWS in 1827 (it makes you wonder if the marriage state had been confused with the maiden name). In 1828 Joseph, a labourer, and Mary had a child, Charles Edward. The family are said to be from Hook Norton. The 1841 census shows a Joseph and Mary (Marcy on Ancestry) living in Hook Norton with 6 children, the oldest being Charles (age 11). Joseph is described as a gardener. The couple are also shown on the 1851 census for Hook Norton, still described as a gardener. Joseph PAINTING, age 55, born Finstock, appears in the 1851 census for Stonesfield, married to Martha. Joseph PAINTIN (wid) married Martha STONE, 31 May 1830 at Stonesfield. This would appear to be the Joseph baptized in Charlbury in 1797, son of Edward & Elizabeth. This eliminates the first Joseph baptized in Charlbury as the husband of Mary WIDDOWS. It does leave him open however as a possible husband of Mary EDNEY. The Joseph who married Elizabeth HADLON in 1823 had as a witness Mary Ann PAINTIN. Assuming this Mary Ann was Joseph's sibling, there were 4 Mary Ann PAINTINs baptized in Charlbury around the relevant time. One in 1802 to Jonathan & Susanna and one in 1805 to Elisha & Elizabeth. Neither of these couples appeared to have a son called Joseph baptized in Charlbury, so I would discount them. A third Mary Ann was baptized in 1809 making her only about 14 at the time of the 1823 marriage, so a little too young to be a witness. This would leave Mary Ann baptized in 1801 daughter of Richard & Liddy. So my deduction would put the Joseph married to Elizabeth HADLON as the son of Richard and Lydia baptized in 1804. The 1861 census shows a Joseph PAINTON, age 57, widr, as a lodger with William and Sarah PAINTON. Both Joseph and William have the professions of carpenter. The father of this Joseph, Richard is also shown on the 1841 census as a carpenter. So this seems to be a family occupation. This would rule out this Joseph, son of Richard as the one who married Mary WIDDOWS in 1827, described as a gardener. So this leaves either Joseph son of Stephen and Mary or Joseph son of John and Ann as the Joseph who married Mary WIDDOWS while the other married Mary GARDNER. The one marrying Mary GARDNER died in 1841. Neither Mary EDNEY nor Elizabeth HADLON appears to have had children before they died. Either the husband of Martha STONE or the husband of Mary WIDDOWS could have been the husband of Mary EDNEY. If you find the missing marriage, then this might help pin down which it was. Hope that helps a little. :) On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Joe Emery <joeemery@btinternet.com> wrote: > Jill. > Joseph was a widower when he married Mary Widdows in 1827. His first wife > was almost certainly Mary (or Maria) Edney whom he married on 10.10.1822 > at > Charlbury and who, I feel sure, was buried there on 12.10.1825 "wife of > Joseph, age 20" > > I say 'almost certainly' for on 25.6.1823 an Elizabeth Painten age "19 > wife of Joseph" was also buried at Charlbury - so who knows ? > > On 3.3.1824 at Charlbury an Edward Paintin was bapt. son of Joseph & > Mary, > baker,of Charlbury. Now The Joseph who married Mary Widdows was a > gardener > and still was in 1841 and 1851 at Hook Norton ...so I don't think that > Edward was a son of Mary Edney. > > As you will know, four Joseph Paintin/Paintons...were bapt. at Charlbury > within 7 years of each other viz. in 1797 son of Edward & Elizabeth; 1798 > there were two, one a son of Stephen & Mary and the other a son of John & > Ann - and in 1804 a son of Richard and Lydia. > > It was probably three of those who married at Charlbury within 5 years of > each other, one to Edney in 1822; one to Hadlon in 1823 and another to > Gardner also in 1823, and one to Widdows in 1827 > whom I think had firstly married Edney.But because in none of those > marriages are the parents mentioned in the Parish Registers it is > impossible > to say which Joseph married when and to whom. Unless they appear in other > documents that show their relationship to their parents,that position will > not alter. > I have 12 different ways of spelling Paintin and the family is one great > tangled problem. Joe > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Morley" <jillmorley@bigpond.com> > To: <oxfordshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:13 PM > Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton > > > > Thank you for your reply but > > Well you threw me then > > > > James Painting who married Louisa b]Barnes I believe is the son of > Joseph > > Painting and Mary WIDDOWS? > > I have never heard of Mary Edney? > > Can you tell me why you say this? > > > > James Painting and Louisa Barnes are my G Great Grand Parents > > Their daughter Anna Maria [ Annie Painting] is my Great Grand mother > > I can give you a picture of Louisa and James Painting - Paynton > > if you want one for you research > > > > I am in the middle or rapping up my research on my families > > Had enough after nearly 30 years and this family has always been my > > favourite > > Since Gladys [ Annie's daughter] my grandmother was the only grand > parent I > > knew. > > Plus Annie is a bit of a hero to me a pioneer in far north Queensland. > > > > Please can you tell me why you say EDNEY?? > > And who is she? > > > > I am sure I had mine right but......!!!! > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe Emery > > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 4:58 PM > > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton > > > > Good morning Jill. > > My wife's mother was a Painting of Charlbury and I have some from Hook > > Norton including one James Paintin/Paynton (son of Joseph Paintin & > Mary > > Edney who had 8 children) who married Louisa Barnes (dau. of William) > at > > Nook Norton on 23.10.1858 and who in turn had 6 children. Joe > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Morley" <jillmorley@bigpond.com> > > To: "Oxfordshire" <OXFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 6:40 AM > > Subject: [OXF] Hook Norton > > > > > > > Hi > > > Is there anyone on this list who is researching PAINTING / PAYNTON > or > > BARNES > > > in Hook Norton. > > > > > > Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY > > > jillmorley@bigpond.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oxfordshire Family History Society now has its own page on Facebook - www.facebook.com/oxfordshirefhs - press the "like" button to receive Society news & updates ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wendy I took a look at your tree on Ancestry? And I think William Barnes born 1828 was baptised with his sister Elizabeth in 1834 age 4 years Father William mother Susannah [Elizabeth I think died young] I believe this is correct because as I followed the census it seemed to add up? Any thoughts? Jill

I have to confess to you Year and years ago I was given this removal order - and I never made note of who by or any thing else I just put it in my story I hate living so far away from UK I would love to go down and transcribe the records? I did this for a village in Dorset years ago Being my My ARNOLD side came from there But I did it from Microfiche As accurately as I could. you may just have to take my word for this removal order? This is the village I did O.P.C. [Genealogy] for the village- Winterborne Kingston in Dorset, England http://www.opcdorset.org/index.htm Jill -----Original Message----- From: Joe Emery Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 5:08 AM To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton Thanks Jill. Yes, likewise, we must have corresponded before. All the material facts contained in my last message were straight copies from the Charlbury Parish Registers as they appear in the OxFHS CD, where their marriage entry shows him as a widower upon marriage to Mary Widdows. There will always be the uncertainty about the identities of the Josephs on marriage. Is there any evidence at all to properly identify which Joseph was returned to Finstock ? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Morley" <jillmorley@bigpond.com> To: <oxfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton > Joe your name is familiar to me? > I think years ago we spoke. > > I am not going to agree with you here? > I never found the word widow before and ?I donot think this is correct > > PHOTO - I have photo of James and Louisa Painting if you would like a copy. > > Here is what I have written years ago - > Joseph PAINTON was twenty ones years old and living in Hook Norton in 1819. > During that year he was the subject of a ‘removal order’ issued on 7 > December 1819, which ordered him to leave Hook Norton and return to his > native place of Finstock. A Removal Order was usually issued when a person > became dependent on a parish that they were not born in. As Finstock was > where Joseph was born he was sent back home. This means the church elders > gave him some money for travelling and sent him off. The reason for a male > to be issued an order usually meant that he could not find work; and the > town could not afford to keep him. > About ten years after this Joseph moved back to Hook Norton with his wife > Mary and son Charles. It is where they settled for the rest of their lives > and six of their 7 children were born there. > Mary WIDDOWS was the second and last daughter of William WIDDOWS and Mary > HUNTLY. Their children were all baptised at Charlbury as “son or daughter of > William and Mary WIDDOWS of Walcott”. > > Jill > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Emery > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 1:54 AM > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton > > Jill. > Joseph was a widower when he married Mary Widdows in 1827. His first wife > was almost certainly Mary (or Maria) Edney whom he married on 10.10.1822 at > Charlbury and who, I feel sure, was buried there on 12.10.1825 "wife of > Joseph, age 20" > > I say 'almost certainly' for on 25.6.1823 an Elizabeth Painten age "19 > wife of Joseph" was also buried at Charlbury - so who knows ? > > On 3.3.1824 at Charlbury an Edward Paintin was bapt. son of Joseph & Mary, > baker,of Charlbury. Now The Joseph who married Mary Widdows was a gardener > and still was in 1841 and 1851 at Hook Norton ...so I don't think that > Edward was a son of Mary Edney. > > As you will know, four Joseph Paintin/Paintons...were bapt. at Charlbury > within 7 years of each other viz. in 1797 son of Edward & Elizabeth; 1798 > there were two, one a son of Stephen & Mary and the other a son of John & > Ann - and in 1804 a son of Richard and Lydia. > > It was probably three of those who married at Charlbury within 5 years of > each other, one to Edney in 1822; one to Hadlon in 1823 and another to > Gardner also in 1823, and one to Widdows in 1827 > whom I think had firstly married Edney.But because in none of those > marriages are the parents mentioned in the Parish Registers it is impossible > to say which Joseph married when and to whom. Unless they appear in other > documents that show their relationship to their parents,that position will > not alter. > I have 12 different ways of spelling Paintin and the family is one great > tangled problem. Joe > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Morley" <jillmorley@bigpond.com> > To: <oxfordshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:13 PM > Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton > > > > Thank you for your reply but > > Well you threw me then > > > > James Painting who married Louisa b]Barnes I believe is the son of > Joseph > > Painting and Mary WIDDOWS? > > I have never heard of Mary Edney? > > Can you tell me why you say this? > > > > James Painting and Louisa Barnes are my G Great Grand Parents > > Their daughter Anna Maria [ Annie Painting] is my Great Grand mother > > I can give you a picture of Louisa and James Painting - Paynton > > if you want one for you research > > > > I am in the middle or rapping up my research on my families > > Had enough after nearly 30 years and this family has always been my > > favourite > > Since Gladys [ Annie's daughter] my grandmother was the only grand > parent I > > knew. > > Plus Annie is a bit of a hero to me a pioneer in far north Queensland. > > > > Please can you tell me why you say EDNEY?? > > And who is she? > > > > I am sure I had mine right but......!!!! > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe Emery > > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 4:58 PM > > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton > > > > Good morning Jill. > > My wife's mother was a Painting of Charlbury and I have some from Hook > > Norton including one James Paintin/Paynton (son of Joseph Paintin & Mary > > Edney who had 8 children) who married Louisa Barnes (dau. of William) at > > Nook Norton on 23.10.1858 and who in turn had 6 children. Joe > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Morley" <jillmorley@bigpond.com> > > To: "Oxfordshire" <OXFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 6:40 AM > > Subject: [OXF] Hook Norton > > > > > > > Hi > > > Is there anyone on this list who is researching PAINTING / PAYNTON or > > BARNES > > > in Hook Norton. > > > > > > Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY > > > jillmorley@bigpond.com > > > O.P.C. 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I looked on Ancestry.com and someone there also says Edney But the fact don to add up Someone else has may Louisa Barnes as the daughter if William and Kezia? But that is also wrong it would be a mean feet for her to be married for 2 years to James Painting and be single and living with her parents on the night of the census in 1861 - No they just grabbed the only Lousia and went with that, She was calling herself Lucy Barnes in 1851 and living with her aunt and uncle Henry and Mary BARNES - Lucy had a child out of wedlock called James and 6 mothers after the child was born in 1859 she married James Painting then they had Anna [Annie Painting] my Great Grandmother] Anna and James were baptised in Hook Norton on the same day. My cousin went to Oxford and looked at the actual register and found this in the Hook Norton Parish Register, on 2 October 1859 were two christenings, “Anna Maria PAYNTON and James, illegitimate son of Louisa BARNES, spinster when the child was born - but now the wife of James PAYNTON. [Child about 1½ years old]” The Parish Register for Hook Norton recorded the marriage of James PAYNTON age 21 years Bachelor, occupation Labourer, born Hook Norton son of Joseph PAYNTON occupation Gardener. James was married on 23 October 1858 in Hook Norton to Louisa BARNES age 21 years, spinster, of Hook Norton, daughter of William BARNES, occupation labourer. Both James and Louisa signed with an X Witnesses to their marriage were William TAYLOR and Maria PAINTIN. Jill -----Original Message----- From: Joe Emery Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 1:54 AM To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton Jill. Joseph was a widower when he married Mary Widdows in 1827. His first wife was almost certainly Mary (or Maria) Edney whom he married on 10.10.1822 at Charlbury and who, I feel sure, was buried there on 12.10.1825 "wife of Joseph, age 20" I say 'almost certainly' for on 25.6.1823 an Elizabeth Painten age "19 wife of Joseph" was also buried at Charlbury - so who knows ? On 3.3.1824 at Charlbury an Edward Paintin was bapt. son of Joseph & Mary, baker,of Charlbury. Now The Joseph who married Mary Widdows was a gardener and still was in 1841 and 1851 at Hook Norton ...so I don't think that Edward was a son of Mary Edney. As you will know, four Joseph Paintin/Paintons...were bapt. at Charlbury within 7 years of each other viz. in 1797 son of Edward & Elizabeth; 1798 there were two, one a son of Stephen & Mary and the other a son of John & Ann - and in 1804 a son of Richard and Lydia. It was probably three of those who married at Charlbury within 5 years of each other, one to Edney in 1822; one to Hadlon in 1823 and another to Gardner also in 1823, and one to Widdows in 1827 whom I think had firstly married Edney.But because in none of those marriages are the parents mentioned in the Parish Registers it is impossible to say which Joseph married when and to whom. Unless they appear in other documents that show their relationship to their parents,that position will not alter. I have 12 different ways of spelling Paintin and the family is one great tangled problem. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Morley" <jillmorley@bigpond.com> To: <oxfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton > Thank you for your reply but > Well you threw me then > > James Painting who married Louisa b]Barnes I believe is the son of Joseph > Painting and Mary WIDDOWS? > I have never heard of Mary Edney? > Can you tell me why you say this? > > James Painting and Louisa Barnes are my G Great Grand Parents > Their daughter Anna Maria [ Annie Painting] is my Great Grand mother > I can give you a picture of Louisa and James Painting - Paynton > if you want one for you research > > I am in the middle or rapping up my research on my families > Had enough after nearly 30 years and this family has always been my > favourite > Since Gladys [ Annie's daughter] my grandmother was the only grand parent I > knew. > Plus Annie is a bit of a hero to me a pioneer in far north Queensland. > > Please can you tell me why you say EDNEY?? > And who is she? > > I am sure I had mine right but......!!!! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Emery > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 4:58 PM > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton > > Good morning Jill. > My wife's mother was a Painting of Charlbury and I have some from Hook > Norton including one James Paintin/Paynton (son of Joseph Paintin & Mary > Edney who had 8 children) who married Louisa Barnes (dau. of William) at > Nook Norton on 23.10.1858 and who in turn had 6 children. Joe > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Morley" <jillmorley@bigpond.com> > To: "Oxfordshire" <OXFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 6:40 AM > Subject: [OXF] Hook Norton > > > > Hi > > Is there anyone on this list who is researching PAINTING / PAYNTON or > BARNES > > in Hook Norton. > > > > Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY > > jillmorley@bigpond.com > > O.P.C. [Genealogy] for the village- Winterborne Kingston in Dorset, > England > > http://www.opcdorset.org/index.htm > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: > http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: > http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oxfordshire FHS "wills library" is at http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ , with references to 47,347 people and 3,980 testators. 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Joe your name is familiar to me? I think years ago we spoke. I am not going to agree with you here? I never found the word widow before and ?I donot think this is correct PHOTO - I have photo of James and Louisa Painting if you would like a copy. Here is what I have written years ago - Joseph PAINTON was twenty ones years old and living in Hook Norton in 1819. During that year he was the subject of a ‘removal order’ issued on 7 December 1819, which ordered him to leave Hook Norton and return to his native place of Finstock. A Removal Order was usually issued when a person became dependent on a parish that they were not born in. As Finstock was where Joseph was born he was sent back home. This means the church elders gave him some money for travelling and sent him off. The reason for a male to be issued an order usually meant that he could not find work; and the town could not afford to keep him. About ten years after this Joseph moved back to Hook Norton with his wife Mary and son Charles. It is where they settled for the rest of their lives and six of their 7 children were born there. Mary WIDDOWS was the second and last daughter of William WIDDOWS and Mary HUNTLY. Their children were all baptised at Charlbury as “son or daughter of William and Mary WIDDOWS of Walcott”. Jill -----Original Message----- From: Joe Emery Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 1:54 AM To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton Jill. Joseph was a widower when he married Mary Widdows in 1827. His first wife was almost certainly Mary (or Maria) Edney whom he married on 10.10.1822 at Charlbury and who, I feel sure, was buried there on 12.10.1825 "wife of Joseph, age 20" I say 'almost certainly' for on 25.6.1823 an Elizabeth Painten age "19 wife of Joseph" was also buried at Charlbury - so who knows ? On 3.3.1824 at Charlbury an Edward Paintin was bapt. son of Joseph & Mary, baker,of Charlbury. Now The Joseph who married Mary Widdows was a gardener and still was in 1841 and 1851 at Hook Norton ...so I don't think that Edward was a son of Mary Edney. As you will know, four Joseph Paintin/Paintons...were bapt. at Charlbury within 7 years of each other viz. in 1797 son of Edward & Elizabeth; 1798 there were two, one a son of Stephen & Mary and the other a son of John & Ann - and in 1804 a son of Richard and Lydia. It was probably three of those who married at Charlbury within 5 years of each other, one to Edney in 1822; one to Hadlon in 1823 and another to Gardner also in 1823, and one to Widdows in 1827 whom I think had firstly married Edney.But because in none of those marriages are the parents mentioned in the Parish Registers it is impossible to say which Joseph married when and to whom. Unless they appear in other documents that show their relationship to their parents,that position will not alter. I have 12 different ways of spelling Paintin and the family is one great tangled problem. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Morley" <jillmorley@bigpond.com> To: <oxfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton > Thank you for your reply but > Well you threw me then > > James Painting who married Louisa b]Barnes I believe is the son of Joseph > Painting and Mary WIDDOWS? > I have never heard of Mary Edney? > Can you tell me why you say this? > > James Painting and Louisa Barnes are my G Great Grand Parents > Their daughter Anna Maria [ Annie Painting] is my Great Grand mother > I can give you a picture of Louisa and James Painting - Paynton > if you want one for you research > > I am in the middle or rapping up my research on my families > Had enough after nearly 30 years and this family has always been my > favourite > Since Gladys [ Annie's daughter] my grandmother was the only grand parent I > knew. > Plus Annie is a bit of a hero to me a pioneer in far north Queensland. > > Please can you tell me why you say EDNEY?? > And who is she? > > I am sure I had mine right but......!!!! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Emery > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 4:58 PM > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton > > Good morning Jill. > My wife's mother was a Painting of Charlbury and I have some from Hook > Norton including one James Paintin/Paynton (son of Joseph Paintin & Mary > Edney who had 8 children) who married Louisa Barnes (dau. of William) at > Nook Norton on 23.10.1858 and who in turn had 6 children. Joe > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Morley" <jillmorley@bigpond.com> > To: "Oxfordshire" <OXFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 6:40 AM > Subject: [OXF] Hook Norton > > > > Hi > > Is there anyone on this list who is researching PAINTING / PAYNTON or > BARNES > > in Hook Norton. > > > > Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY > > jillmorley@bigpond.com > > O.P.C. [Genealogy] for the village- Winterborne Kingston in Dorset, > England > > http://www.opcdorset.org/index.htm > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: > http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: > http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oxfordshire FHS "wills library" is at http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ , with references to 47,347 people and 3,980 testators. 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Thanks Jill. Yes, likewise, we must have corresponded before. All the material facts contained in my last message were straight copies from the Charlbury Parish Registers as they appear in the OxFHS CD, where their marriage entry shows him as a widower upon marriage to Mary Widdows. There will always be the uncertainty about the identities of the Josephs on marriage. Is there any evidence at all to properly identify which Joseph was returned to Finstock ? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Morley" <jillmorley@bigpond.com> To: <oxfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton > Joe your name is familiar to me? > I think years ago we spoke. > > I am not going to agree with you here? > I never found the word widow before and ?I donot think this is correct > > PHOTO - I have photo of James and Louisa Painting if you would like a copy. > > Here is what I have written years ago - > Joseph PAINTON was twenty ones years old and living in Hook Norton in 1819. > During that year he was the subject of a ‘removal order’ issued on 7 > December 1819, which ordered him to leave Hook Norton and return to his > native place of Finstock. A Removal Order was usually issued when a person > became dependent on a parish that they were not born in. As Finstock was > where Joseph was born he was sent back home. This means the church elders > gave him some money for travelling and sent him off. The reason for a male > to be issued an order usually meant that he could not find work; and the > town could not afford to keep him. > About ten years after this Joseph moved back to Hook Norton with his wife > Mary and son Charles. It is where they settled for the rest of their lives > and six of their 7 children were born there. > Mary WIDDOWS was the second and last daughter of William WIDDOWS and Mary > HUNTLY. Their children were all baptised at Charlbury as “son or daughter of > William and Mary WIDDOWS of Walcott”. > > Jill > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Emery > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 1:54 AM > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton > > Jill. > Joseph was a widower when he married Mary Widdows in 1827. His first wife > was almost certainly Mary (or Maria) Edney whom he married on 10.10.1822 at > Charlbury and who, I feel sure, was buried there on 12.10.1825 "wife of > Joseph, age 20" > > I say 'almost certainly' for on 25.6.1823 an Elizabeth Painten age "19 > wife of Joseph" was also buried at Charlbury - so who knows ? > > On 3.3.1824 at Charlbury an Edward Paintin was bapt. son of Joseph & Mary, > baker,of Charlbury. Now The Joseph who married Mary Widdows was a gardener > and still was in 1841 and 1851 at Hook Norton ...so I don't think that > Edward was a son of Mary Edney. > > As you will know, four Joseph Paintin/Paintons...were bapt. at Charlbury > within 7 years of each other viz. in 1797 son of Edward & Elizabeth; 1798 > there were two, one a son of Stephen & Mary and the other a son of John & > Ann - and in 1804 a son of Richard and Lydia. > > It was probably three of those who married at Charlbury within 5 years of > each other, one to Edney in 1822; one to Hadlon in 1823 and another to > Gardner also in 1823, and one to Widdows in 1827 > whom I think had firstly married Edney.But because in none of those > marriages are the parents mentioned in the Parish Registers it is impossible > to say which Joseph married when and to whom. Unless they appear in other > documents that show their relationship to their parents,that position will > not alter. > I have 12 different ways of spelling Paintin and the family is one great > tangled problem. Joe > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Morley" <jillmorley@bigpond.com> > To: <oxfordshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:13 PM > Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton > > > > Thank you for your reply but > > Well you threw me then > > > > James Painting who married Louisa b]Barnes I believe is the son of > Joseph > > Painting and Mary WIDDOWS? > > I have never heard of Mary Edney? > > Can you tell me why you say this? > > > > James Painting and Louisa Barnes are my G Great Grand Parents > > Their daughter Anna Maria [ Annie Painting] is my Great Grand mother > > I can give you a picture of Louisa and James Painting - Paynton > > if you want one for you research > > > > I am in the middle or rapping up my research on my families > > Had enough after nearly 30 years and this family has always been my > > favourite > > Since Gladys [ Annie's daughter] my grandmother was the only grand > parent I > > knew. > > Plus Annie is a bit of a hero to me a pioneer in far north Queensland. > > > > Please can you tell me why you say EDNEY?? > > And who is she? > > > > I am sure I had mine right but......!!!! > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe Emery > > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 4:58 PM > > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton > > > > Good morning Jill. > > My wife's mother was a Painting of Charlbury and I have some from Hook > > Norton including one James Paintin/Paynton (son of Joseph Paintin & Mary > > Edney who had 8 children) who married Louisa Barnes (dau. of William) at > > Nook Norton on 23.10.1858 and who in turn had 6 children. Joe > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Morley" <jillmorley@bigpond.com> > > To: "Oxfordshire" <OXFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 6:40 AM > > Subject: [OXF] Hook Norton > > > > > > > Hi > > > Is there anyone on this list who is researching PAINTING / PAYNTON or > > BARNES > > > in Hook Norton. > > > > > > Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY > > > jillmorley@bigpond.com > > > O.P.C. 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Jill. Joseph was a widower when he married Mary Widdows in 1827. His first wife was almost certainly Mary (or Maria) Edney whom he married on 10.10.1822 at Charlbury and who, I feel sure, was buried there on 12.10.1825 "wife of Joseph, age 20" I say 'almost certainly' for on 25.6.1823 an Elizabeth Painten age "19 wife of Joseph" was also buried at Charlbury - so who knows ? On 3.3.1824 at Charlbury an Edward Paintin was bapt. son of Joseph & Mary, baker,of Charlbury. Now The Joseph who married Mary Widdows was a gardener and still was in 1841 and 1851 at Hook Norton ...so I don't think that Edward was a son of Mary Edney. As you will know, four Joseph Paintin/Paintons...were bapt. at Charlbury within 7 years of each other viz. in 1797 son of Edward & Elizabeth; 1798 there were two, one a son of Stephen & Mary and the other a son of John & Ann - and in 1804 a son of Richard and Lydia. It was probably three of those who married at Charlbury within 5 years of each other, one to Edney in 1822; one to Hadlon in 1823 and another to Gardner also in 1823, and one to Widdows in 1827 whom I think had firstly married Edney.But because in none of those marriages are the parents mentioned in the Parish Registers it is impossible to say which Joseph married when and to whom. Unless they appear in other documents that show their relationship to their parents,that position will not alter. I have 12 different ways of spelling Paintin and the family is one great tangled problem. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Morley" <jillmorley@bigpond.com> To: <oxfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton > Thank you for your reply but > Well you threw me then > > James Painting who married Louisa b]Barnes I believe is the son of Joseph > Painting and Mary WIDDOWS? > I have never heard of Mary Edney? > Can you tell me why you say this? > > James Painting and Louisa Barnes are my G Great Grand Parents > Their daughter Anna Maria [ Annie Painting] is my Great Grand mother > I can give you a picture of Louisa and James Painting - Paynton > if you want one for you research > > I am in the middle or rapping up my research on my families > Had enough after nearly 30 years and this family has always been my > favourite > Since Gladys [ Annie's daughter] my grandmother was the only grand parent I > knew. > Plus Annie is a bit of a hero to me a pioneer in far north Queensland. > > Please can you tell me why you say EDNEY?? > And who is she? > > I am sure I had mine right but......!!!! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Emery > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 4:58 PM > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton > > Good morning Jill. > My wife's mother was a Painting of Charlbury and I have some from Hook > Norton including one James Paintin/Paynton (son of Joseph Paintin & Mary > Edney who had 8 children) who married Louisa Barnes (dau. of William) at > Nook Norton on 23.10.1858 and who in turn had 6 children. Joe > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Morley" <jillmorley@bigpond.com> > To: "Oxfordshire" <OXFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 6:40 AM > Subject: [OXF] Hook Norton > > > > Hi > > Is there anyone on this list who is researching PAINTING / PAYNTON or > BARNES > > in Hook Norton. > > > > Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY > > jillmorley@bigpond.com > > O.P.C. [Genealogy] for the village- Winterborne Kingston in Dorset, > England > > http://www.opcdorset.org/index.htm > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: > http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: > http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Interactive Oxfordshire parish map: http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hope this may help eliminate some of the Josephs from the picture. Joseph, a widow, married Mary WIDDOWS in 1827 (it makes you wonder if the marriage state had been confused with the maiden name). In 1828 Joseph, a labourer, and Mary had a child, Charles Edward. The family are said to be from Hook Norton. The 1841 census shows a Joseph and Mary (Marcy on Ancestry) living in Hook Norton with 6 children, the oldest being Charles (age 11). Joseph is described as a gardener. The couple are also shown on the 1851 census for Hook Norton, still described as a gardener. Joseph PAINTING, age 55, born Finstock, appears in the 1851 census for Stonesfield, married to Martha. Joseph PAINTIN (wid) married Martha STONE, 31 May 1830 at Stonesfield. This would appear to be the Joseph baptized in Charlbury in 1797, son of Edward & Elizabeth. This eliminates the first Joseph baptized in Charlbury as the husband of Mary WIDDOWS. It does leave him open however as a possible husband of Mary EDNEY. The Joseph who married Elizabeth HADLON in 1823 had as a witness Mary Ann PAINTIN. Assuming this Mary Ann was Joseph's sibling, there were 4 Mary Ann PAINTINs baptized in Charlbury around the relevant time. One in 1802 to Jonathan & Susanna and one in 1805 to Elisha & Elizabeth. Neither of these couples appeared to have a son called Joseph baptized in Charlbury, so I would discount them. A third Mary Ann was baptized in 1809 making her only about 14 at the time of the 1823 marriage, so a little too young to be a witness. This would leave Mary Ann baptized in 1801 daughter of Richard & Liddy. So my deduction would put the Joseph married to Elizabeth HADLON as the son of Richard and Lydia baptized in 1804. The 1861 census shows a Joseph PAINTON, age 57, widr, as a lodger with William and Sarah PAINTON. Both Joseph and William have the professions of carpenter. The father of this Joseph, Richard is also shown on the 1841 census as a carpenter. So this seems to be a family occupation. This would rule out this Joseph, son of Richard as the one who married Mary WIDDOWS in 1827, described as a gardener. So this leaves either Joseph son of Stephen and Mary or Joseph son of John and Ann as the Joseph who married Mary WIDDOWS while the other married Mary GARDNER. The one marrying Mary GARDNER died in 1841. Neither Mary EDNEY nor Elizabeth HADLON appears to have had children before they died. Either the husband of Martha STONE or the husband of Mary WIDDOWS could have been the husband of Mary EDNEY. If you find the missing marriage, then this might help pin down which it was. Hope that helps a little. :) On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Joe Emery <joeemery@btinternet.com> wrote: >  Jill. >  Joseph was a widower when he married Mary Widdows in 1827. His first wife > was almost certainly Mary (or Maria) Edney whom he married on 10.10.1822 at > Charlbury and who, I feel sure, was buried there on 12.10.1825 "wife of > Joseph, age 20" > >  I say 'almost certainly' for on 25.6.1823 an Elizabeth Painten age "19 > wife of Joseph" was also buried at Charlbury - so who knows ? > >  On 3.3.1824 at Charlbury an Edward Paintin was bapt. son of Joseph & Mary, > baker,of Charlbury.  Now The Joseph who married Mary Widdows was a gardener > and still was in 1841 and 1851 at Hook Norton ...so I don't think that > Edward was a son of Mary Edney. > >  As you will know, four Joseph Paintin/Paintons...were bapt. at Charlbury > within 7 years of each other viz. in 1797 son of Edward & Elizabeth;  1798 > there were two, one a son of Stephen & Mary and the other a son of John & > Ann - and in 1804 a son of Richard and Lydia. > >  It was probably three of those who married at Charlbury within 5 years of > each other, one to Edney in 1822; one to Hadlon in 1823 and another to > Gardner also in 1823, and one to Widdows in 1827 >  whom I think had firstly married Edney.But because in none of those > marriages are the parents mentioned in the Parish Registers it is impossible > to say which Joseph married when and to whom. Unless they appear in other > documents that show their relationship to their parents,that position will > not alter. >  I have 12 different ways of spelling Paintin and the family is one great > tangled problem.   Joe > > > >  ----- Original Message ----- >  From: "Morley" <jillmorley@bigpond.com> >  To: <oxfordshire@rootsweb.com> >  Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:13 PM >  Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton > > >  > Thank you for your reply but >  > Well you threw me then >  > >  > James Painting who married Louisa b]Barnes I believe is the son of > Joseph >  > Painting and Mary WIDDOWS? >  > I have never heard of Mary Edney? >  > Can you tell me why you say this? >  > >  > James Painting and Louisa Barnes are my G Great Grand Parents >  > Their daughter Anna Maria [ Annie Painting] is my Great Grand mother >  > I can give you a picture of Louisa and James Painting - Paynton >  > if you want one for you research >  > >  > I am in the middle or rapping up my research on my families >  > Had enough after nearly 30 years and this family has always been my >  > favourite >  > Since Gladys [ Annie's daughter] my grandmother was the only grand > parent I >  > knew. >  > Plus Annie is a bit of a hero to me a pioneer in far north Queensland. >  > >  > Please can you tell me why you say EDNEY?? >  > And who is she? >  > >  > I am sure I had mine right but......!!!! >  > >  > >  > >  > -----Original Message----- >  > From: Joe Emery >  > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 4:58 PM >  > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com >  > Subject: Re: [OXF] Hook Norton >  > >  >  Good morning Jill. >  >  My wife's mother was a Painting of Charlbury and I have some from Hook >  > Norton including one James Paintin/Paynton (son of Joseph Paintin & Mary >  > Edney who had 8 children) who married Louisa Barnes (dau. of William) at >  > Nook Norton on 23.10.1858 and who in turn had 6 children.   Joe >  > >  >  ----- Original Message ----- >  >  From: "Morley" <jillmorley@bigpond.com> >  >  To: "Oxfordshire" <OXFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com> >  >  Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 6:40 AM >  >  Subject: [OXF] Hook Norton >  > >  > >  >  > Hi >  >  > Is there anyone on this list who is researching PAINTING / PAYNTON or >  > BARNES >  >  > in Hook Norton. >  >  > >  >  > Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY >  >  > jillmorley@bigpond.com

Another batch of wills etc has been released. Testator surnames include: ARNOTT ASHLEY BATHE BULL BURRIN CHARLETT CHARLEWOOD COLLIER FOSKETT HAWTIN LAMBERT LEAVER LEWENDON LINDSEY MANSELL NASH PRINCE RICKETTS WILLMOTT WRIGHT Dave Beames, coordinator