Unless Frederic Peter BARTRAM chr 1847 was a very late christening, he'd have been much too young. But a late christening was possible. Seeing that he was one of three christened that year, one possible scenario is that the vicar found that the oldest siblings of a new infant BARTRAM were unbaptised, & insisted on them being done in a job lot. My own family has a few bulk christenings in it. But looking at the 1841 Oxfordshire census, the only BARTRAMs are In Islip - Benjamin 25 Jane 20 Ellen 6 In Oxford St Thomas Mary 50 In Oxford St Ebbes Hester 15 Henry 12 Robert BERTRAM 25 Where are the Abingdon lot? Hiding under a different name? Paul Irving On 12-Jul-12 6:43 AM, Howard Fuller wrote: > Richard, > > On 3 July you enquired about the birth of Frederick BARTRAM in Oxford > around 1829. I haven't seen any other reply, so this is the little > that I have found. > > There was only one BARTRAM family in Oxford at that time. They were > Robinson, a victauller, his wife Mary, and their 9 children living in > St.Martin's parish: > > From the OFHS transcript of the poarish register:- > BARTRAM Mary Ann 1812 Oct. > BARTRAM Benjamin Rob 1813 Oct. > BARTRAM Thomas 1815 Sept. > BARTRAM Mary 1817 May > BARTRAM William 1818 Nov. > BARTRAM Ann Sutton 1820 March > BARTRAM Eliza 1821 Sept. > BARTRAM Esther 1825 July > BARTRAM Henry 1828 July > > As you can see, there was no Frederick baptised in Oxford. > > In the wider index to baptisms in the County, there are nhese entries: > > To Peter Notley & Anne at Islip, Oxfordshire: > BARTRAM Anne Notley 1836 > > To Peter Nottley & Elizabeth at Abingdon St.Helen, Berkshire. > BARTRAM George Nottley 1839 > BARTRAM Maria Ann 1839 > BARTRAM Elizabeth 1843 > BARTRAM Clementina 1844 > BARTRAM Ann 1847 > BARTRAM Emma 1847 > BARTRAM Frederic Peter 1847 > BARTRAM Henry Reginald 1853 > > Peter Notley BARTRAM was a shoe manufacturer born in Nettlebed, > Oxfordshire. > > Could the Frederic Peter baptised in 1847 be your Frederick? > > Regards, > Howard > > > On 03/07/2012 19:36, crgoulden@aol.com wrote: >> As Oxford is a large city, I wonder if the name of Frederick BARTRAM will strike a chord in listers' memories. All I know about him is that he was born around 1829 in Oxford. He managed the Kentish Faversham mercury between 1860 and 1863, giving up its management due to ill-health. He probably earlier was involved in newspaper production. >> >> Richard Goulden >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Oxfordshire FHS "wills library" is at http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ , >> with references to 47,347 people and 3,980 testators. Can you offer a will? >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Oxfordshire FHS "wills library" is at http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ , > with references to 47,347 people and 3,980 testators. Can you offer a will? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Richard, On 3 July you enquired about the birth of Frederick BARTRAM in Oxford around 1829. I haven't seen any other reply, so this is the little that I have found. There was only one BARTRAM family in Oxford at that time. They were Robinson, a victauller, his wife Mary, and their 9 children living in St.Martin's parish: From the OFHS transcript of the poarish register:- BARTRAM Mary Ann 1812 Oct. BARTRAM Benjamin Rob 1813 Oct. BARTRAM Thomas 1815 Sept. BARTRAM Mary 1817 May BARTRAM William 1818 Nov. BARTRAM Ann Sutton 1820 March BARTRAM Eliza 1821 Sept. BARTRAM Esther 1825 July BARTRAM Henry 1828 July As you can see, there was no Frederick baptised in Oxford. In the wider index to baptisms in the County, there are nhese entries: To Peter Notley & Anne at Islip, Oxfordshire: BARTRAM Anne Notley 1836 To Peter Nottley & Elizabeth at Abingdon St.Helen, Berkshire. BARTRAM George Nottley 1839 BARTRAM Maria Ann 1839 BARTRAM Elizabeth 1843 BARTRAM Clementina 1844 BARTRAM Ann 1847 BARTRAM Emma 1847 BARTRAM Frederic Peter 1847 BARTRAM Henry Reginald 1853 Peter Notley BARTRAM was a shoe manufacturer born in Nettlebed, Oxfordshire. Could the Frederic Peter baptised in 1847 be your Frederick? Regards, Howard On 03/07/2012 19:36, crgoulden@aol.com wrote: > > As Oxford is a large city, I wonder if the name of Frederick BARTRAM will strike a chord in listers' memories. All I know about him is that he was born around 1829 in Oxford. He managed the Kentish Faversham mercury between 1860 and 1863, giving up its management due to ill-health. He probably earlier was involved in newspaper production. > > Richard Goulden > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Oxfordshire FHS "wills library" is at http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ , > with references to 47,347 people and 3,980 testators. Can you offer a will? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Often an ancestor seems to drop out of the sky from nowhere. One of the best ways of finding out where he came from is where a settlement certificate survives or a removal order was made, to send him home sharpish. Eve McLaughlin is speaking to the Bucks Genealogical Society on SETTLEMENTS & REMOVALS with examples of the actual documents for you to see on Sat July 14 at the Southcourt Community Centre, Prebendal Ave, Aylesbury at 2.45pm. She will also read any problem documents brought along. At 3.30, Greg Davies will talk and display material on the 1910 'DOMESDAY ' LISTING project, showing how this enhances the bare bones of the 1911 census. Take the A418 Oxford Rd out of Aylesbury, pass the College, turn left at the traffic lights into Churchill Ave and left into Prebendal Ave. Centre is on the left shortly. Bookstall, BGS Library, etc. EVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society

Another 41 wills have been added to the website, Testators -- all from the Woodstock.Wootton area -- are ALLINSON BAILEY BANTING BARNES BECKLEY BLUNT BROTHERTON CORNWELL DAYSIE EATON EDWARDS EVANS FAWCETT FLETCHER GLOVER GREEN HAMMON HARRIS HODGES HUDSON HUNT MARGETTS MONEY NASH NORRIS RAYER RICHARDSON SLATTER TAYLOR WEBB WHITTON Dave Beames, coordinator.

I've had a good find today through that great online newspaper archives facility and thought I'd post it for possible interest or future browsers. 'JOJ' extracted a column's-worth of Oxon-related info from a parliamentary report of gaol inspectors for their issue dated 26 July 1862. Much detail therein on Oxford County Gaol and Oxford City Gaol. For the County Gaol, it says: "The labour performed by male prisoners consists of the treadmill, which is entirely unproductive; a capstan pump for raising water for prison use; and oakum picking. The females wash, iron, knit, and make and mend the prison clothing. There are 10 hard labour machines in the prison, but their use has been abandoned since 1858. The money actually received for the picking of oakum during the year has been 8l. 15s. The estimated net value of prisoners' earnings while employed for the county, making and mending shoes, has been 44l. 9s. 4d., but in this estimate no credit is taken for the value of the women's labour." And, for the Oxford City Gaol: "The male prisoners are employed on the treadmill, which is entirely unproductive, and in oakum picking; the females also pick oakum, and do the washing and ironing. The oakum picking has produced 6l. 13s. 3d. in the last year, and the prisoners' earnings for the county in making twelve suits of prison clothing are estimated at four guineas." 17 years later, the 'JOJ' issue dated 27 Dec 1879 gave details from the 1878-9 Commissioners of Prisons Report (including some info on staffing and costs for the Berks & Bucks County Prisons). An extract from the section on the Oxford Gaol stated: "During the year 23 males were placed in punishment cells, 171 were put upon dietary punishment, and 59 lost stage or privilege. The total number punished was 194, and 697 males and 116 females were not punished. The prison offences consisted of 63 cases of idleness and 157 breaches of regulations, all on the part of males. . . . the net profit on work done by prisoners was 62l. 8s. 5d., and the work done for the prison was valued at 376l. 10s. Industrial work was only commenced in August, 1878, no remunerative or industrial labour having ever been carried on before. Hard labour, first-class, consists of the treadmill (which accommodates 18 persons), crank machine, shot drill, and capstan pump." Special attention had been given to 'moral and secular instruction' of juveniles and "One prisoner was executed, and another received pardon on medical grounds". The statistics don't separate out child prisoners. Best wishes, Carole (Devon, UK)

Earlier I made mention of this book 1228 AND ALL THAT A history of Standlake Village So that overseas members can purchase more easily it is now available on this website. http://www.thematic-trails.org/oxfordshire-community-project.htm IHTH My best wishes, Jill See website, KNIGHT, DAVIES and for 3 lines of JONES http://www.muirfamily-genealogy-online.co.uk/

As Oxford is a large city, I wonder if the name of Frederick BARTRAM will strike a chord in listers' memories. All I know about him is that he was born around 1829 in Oxford. He managed the Kentish Faversham mercury between 1860 and 1863, giving up its management due to ill-health. He probably earlier was involved in newspaper production. Richard Goulden

Researchers The publication of this Berkshire Probate Index - an index to the probate documents of the Archdeaconry of Berkshire 1480 to 1857 - on CD marks the culmination of a four-year collaborative project to build a comprehensive index of 39,000 historic probate documents of the Archdeaconry of Berkshire. The index features in excess of 9,000 distinct surnames and some 38,000 individuals, and makes this valuable collection accessible to researchers worldwide. The partners in the project - who gave both practical and financial support to ensure its completion - were Berkshire Family History Society, Berkshire Local History Association, Berkshire Record Office, Berkshire Record Society and Oxfordshire Family History Society. The project also received assistance from the Marc Fitch Fund. This impressive probate collection extends across five centuries, and covers pre-1974 Berkshire, including parishes of North Berkshire and the Vale of the White Horse. In fact, the boundary of the Berkshire Archdeaconry matched, almost exactly, that of the pre-1974 county of Berkshire. The collection's earliest document is the will of John HORNEHURST, of Wallingford that dates from 1480 and the last mid-Victorian papers are dated in 1857, at which point probate responsibilities passed from the Church to the State. It comprises wills, administrations, inventories, probate accounts, and many less familiar forms of document, from affidavits and almoner's warrants to tuition bonds. The documents are held at Berkshire Record Office in Reading. The index gives the researcher a gateway into the lives of the 38,000 Berkshire men and women whose documents make up the collection. Many of these individuals were far from wealthy, although all had left a will, or had assets to be assigned to others on their deaths. Presented in PDF format, the new publication is bookmarked generously, making it easy to browse and to search. The CD contains nine separate finding aids, and three overview datasets. Its main index report gives names, dates of probate, occupations, place names, and document types and, in many cases, includes useful extra details, among them aliases, status and relationships. However, the index does not contain details of people named in wills, be they executors, witnesses or beneficiaries, as this information is only available by reference to the original documents themselves. The Berkshire Probate Index CD can be purchased at OFHS Exeter Hall meetings or in person at the Holford Centre for £25.00, or via the society’s CD sales’ webpage at :- http://www.ofhs.org.uk/CDsales.html Best wishes. Paul Gaskell Publicity Officer Oxfordshire Family History Society Website : www.ofhs.org.uk

Pity that they don't do that in the towns nowadays ! :-) Liz Gadd -----Original Message----- From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mrs Carole Skidmore Sent: 29 June 2012 15:56 To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [OXF] ANDREWS, Geo Hry - HARD LABOUR Thank you Catherine and Paul. Despite the banking industry's (best/worst?) efforts this week, I've got some pocket money! So, I'm going to buy the Oxford Gaol Prisoner Portraits book for the Bullingdon Division. With Marston being a relatively small place and inter-family marriages being common, I'm optimistic there will be individuals in it I 'know' from the 1870s-80s. Besides which, this was yesterday's find in 'JOJ' (28 April 1877) resulting from an appearance in court of yet other family members: "The Magistrates remarked that, having heard that it was the practice at Marston to raise by subscription the fines imposed on persons from that place for drunken and riotous conduct, they wished it to be known that for the future all persons from that place convicted of such an offence would be imprisoned without the option of a fine."!! Best wishes, Carole ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oxfordshire FHS "wills library" is at http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ , with references to 47,347 people and 3,980 testators. Can you offer a will? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 29/06/2012 15:57:34 GMT Daylight Time, carole@faircopp.eclipse.co.uk writes: Despite the banking industry's (best/worst?) efforts this week, I've got some pocket money! So, I'm going to buy the Oxford Gaol Prisoner Portraits book for the Bullingdon Division. With Marston being a relatively small place and inter-family marriages being common, I'm optimistic there will be individuals in it I 'know' from the 1870s-80s. Carole Do enjoy your purchase ! Best wishes. Paul Gaskell Bookstall Manager Oxfordshire Family History Society Website : www.ofhs.org.uk

Thank you Catherine and Paul. Despite the banking industry's (best/worst?) efforts this week, I've got some pocket money! So, I'm going to buy the Oxford Gaol Prisoner Portraits book for the Bullingdon Division. With Marston being a relatively small place and inter-family marriages being common, I'm optimistic there will be individuals in it I 'know' from the 1870s-80s. Besides which, this was yesterday's find in 'JOJ' (28 April 1877) resulting from an appearance in court of yet other family members: "The Magistrates remarked that, having heard that it was the practice at Marston to raise by subscription the fines imposed on persons from that place for drunken and riotous conduct, they wished it to be known that for the future all persons from that place convicted of such an offence would be imprisoned without the option of a fine."!! Best wishes, Carole

The old Bullingdon Registration District was Wheatley, Thame and Watlington Catherine -----Original Message----- From: PaulGask@aol.com Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 10:53 AM To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OXF] ANDREWS, Geo Hry - HARD LABOUR In a message dated 27/06/2012 00:57:24 GMT Daylight Time, carole@faircopp.eclipse.co.uk writes: Paul - not sure which area Bullingdon Division Petty Sessions would come under but think the volume I'm eagerly awaiting would be for 1880 to 1890 - is it likely to materialise? Dear Carole I've no idea - but I'll try to find out. In the meantime, you might find this article, which I stumbled upon perchance, to be of interest :- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2165262/Rogues-gallery-Fagins-childr en-Mugshots-Victorian-criminals-shows-thieves-young-11-jailed-stealing-cloth es-cash-metal.html Enjoy ! Paul Gaskell Bookstall Manager Oxfordshire Family History Society Website : www.ofhs.org.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oxfordshire FHS "wills library" is at http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ , with references to 47,347 people and 3,980 testators. Can you offer a will? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 27/06/2012 00:57:24 GMT Daylight Time, carole@faircopp.eclipse.co.uk writes: Paul - not sure which area Bullingdon Division Petty Sessions would come under but think the volume I'm eagerly awaiting would be for 1880 to 1890 - is it likely to materialise? Dear Carole I've no idea - but I'll try to find out. In the meantime, you might find this article, which I stumbled upon perchance, to be of interest :- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2165262/Rogues-gallery-Fagins-childr en-Mugshots-Victorian-criminals-shows-thieves-young-11-jailed-stealing-cloth es-cash-metal.html Enjoy ! Paul Gaskell Bookstall Manager Oxfordshire Family History Society Website : www.ofhs.org.uk

Has anyone consulted the original diaries, not the books based upon them, which I believe are held at the Bodelian or confirm where they are now kept ? They are said not to be at the OHC. If so please let me know. Yes I have e-mailed the Bod.

Thank you Nivard, Craig & Paul. Paul - not sure which area Bullingdon Division Petty Sessions would come under but think the volume I'm eagerly awaiting would be for 1880 to 1890 - is it likely to materialise? Craig - (re the 'pension' thread) - yes, I see your point about the Marston address being a possible home-base. I was half-hoping that someone might suggest that a man could live at home, serve a full-term in the local militia, *and* qualify for a pension. Nivard - thanks for the excellent website-link (even though it put me off my supper!). Altho' mostly focussed on counties of Beds & Cambs, the searchable database does contain some Oxon individuals, & from elsewhere. I would still like to know, though, which 'hard labour' activities occurred in Oxford Gaol - and, if convicted persons lived away from the City, would they have had to do something in their local area, eg be in labour gangs? I can quite see how the treadmill and the other horrendous punishments could drive a man to drink - but not to the extent of returning again and again to the courthouse to get more of the same! P'raps 'hard labour' in Oxon wasn't as 'hard' as elsewhere? Yes, I'm as sure as I can be that it is Geo *Hry* Andrews reported in all the court-cases. His older brother Isaac was of a similar disposition. They seemed unable to drink themselves into oblivion or to resist the glass that brought out their resentment & quarrelsome behaviour. On at least one occasion, Geo Hry came out of prison in the morning, got drunk, was arrested in the evening, and was back in court the next day - and probably prison (unless he had any money to pay the fine/costs - like, say, from an army pension!). And, now I've come full circle, I think I'll call it a day. And, I'm really glad my bed isn't in the Oxford Gaol even though it's now the plush-looking Oxford Prison Hotel. How can anyone hope to get a decent night's sleep there with all its history and little reminders?!!! Goodnight all! Carole

Hi Carole Generally I am the first to say don't jump to conclusions regarding the goings on of ancestors, but there are exceptions and I think this chap is one of them <g> One thing I would say though, at no time did I find him as George *Henry* ANDREWS, are you sure this is the same man? Re punishment this may help a little http://vcp.e2bn.org/gaols/section11456-hard-labour.html Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/06/2012 21:13, Carole Skidmore wrote: > Hi Nivard, > Once again, many thanks. But, oh dear! I don't like to think of Geo Hry as > being a consummate liar! He's in my husband's tree, though, so that's not > quite so bad! I think I'll give up on hoping for a military connection. > > I would like to understand something else, though, and would be grateful if > you (and others?) could help with this. > > The 'JOJ' reports on Geo Hry's convictions sometimes said 7, 14 or 21 days' > imprisonment with hard labour and, at other times, 'imprisonment' was missed > out. What were the 'facilities' for hard labour in Oxfordshire between 1860 > and 1890? > > Reading 'JOJ' extracts is quite an education! It appears that Geo Hry > wasn't one of a kind and that Marston might not have been such a nice place > to live in - particularly on Saturday nights. Policemen were frequently > assaulted, too - I was surprised to learn that. And it also seems that hard > labour and/or imprisonment wasn't much of a deterrent - another surprise. > > Best regards, > Carole

Hi Nivard, Once again, many thanks. But, oh dear! I don't like to think of Geo Hry as being a consummate liar! He's in my husband's tree, though, so that's not quite so bad! I think I'll give up on hoping for a military connection. I would like to understand something else, though, and would be grateful if you (and others?) could help with this. The 'JOJ' reports on Geo Hry's convictions sometimes said 7, 14 or 21 days' imprisonment with hard labour and, at other times, 'imprisonment' was missed out. What were the 'facilities' for hard labour in Oxfordshire between 1860 and 1890? Reading 'JOJ' extracts is quite an education! It appears that Geo Hry wasn't one of a kind and that Marston might not have been such a nice place to live in - particularly on Saturday nights. Policemen were frequently assaulted, too - I was surprised to learn that. And it also seems that hard labour and/or imprisonment wasn't much of a deterrent - another surprise. Best regards, Carole

In a message dated 26/06/2012 21:13:29 GMT Daylight Time, carole@faircopp.eclipse.co.uk writes: The 'JOJ' reports on Geo Hry's convictions sometimes said 7, 14 or 21 days' imprisonment with hard labour and, at other times, 'imprisonment' was missed out. What were the 'facilities' for hard labour in Oxfordshire between 1860 and 1890? Carole If your ancestor was a serial offender in that period, these titles from Oxfordshire Black Sheep Publications might be of use to you :- Oxford Gaol Prisoner Portraits 1870-1881 - Volume One: Crimes in West Oxfordshire Oxford Gaol Prisoner Portraits 1870-1881 - Volume Two: North Oxfordshire Crimes Oxford Gaol Prisoner Portraits 1869-1881 - Volume Three: Henley, Caversham & South Oxfordshire Crimes Oxford Gaol Prisoner Portraits 1870-1881 - Volume Four: Crimes in East Oxfordshire Oxford Gaol Prisoner Portraits 1870-1881 - Volume Five: Crimes in Oxford City and Central Oxfordshire Oxford Gaol Prisoner Portraits 1870-1881 - Volume Six: Crimes in the Bicester area Oxford Gaol Prisoner Portraits 1870-1881 - Volume Seven: More Crimes in West Oxfordshire Oxford Gaol Prisoner Portraits 1870-1881 - Volume Eight: Oxfordshire Crimes Further details from this society's bookstall webpage at :- http://www.ofhs.org.uk/books.html Best wishes. Paul Gaskell Bookstall Manager Oxfordshire Family History Society Website : www.ofhs.org.uk

Hi again I must have missed the part where you said he was a lodger for the ten years prior to the conviction, clearly he could not have served in the Army or Navy and still lived as a lodger for ten years So as far as I can see he could not have received a pension from the Army or Navy at least Coupled with the fact that he admitted to the theft and had the ladies purse on him, so as far as I can see he was trying to cover his trail and made the story up about the pension In the newspaper report she states that he had been a lodger with her for about ten years, so he could not have served in either service To the best of my knowledge there were no other pensions available in the period unless he had been left provision in a will perhaps and called it a pension, but why say he collected it from the barracks? Given the amount of times he is in the papers being found drunk and disorderly it sounds as if he was a consummate liar The Salvation Army had nothing at all to do with the Army itself Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/06/2012 16:08, Mrs Carole Skidmore wrote: > Hello Nivard, > Many thanks for your speedy reply and all your interest and help. That's > good to know that military service might still be a possibility but, like > you, I haven't found any records through the ancestry-site I subscribe to. > > I found the case reported in 'Jackson's Oxford Journal' (Issue 6727) and > also the 'Oxford Times', both dated 18 Feb 1882. > > 3xGt-Grandma was Amy (not, as reported, Emily) Cummins who said Geo Hry > ANDREWS had been her lodger for the previous 9/10 years - which is why > military service and pension seemed so unlikely to me. It's at Amy's > address where Geo Hry was also found in the 1871 & 1881 censuses. > > I mentioned the Salvation Army as it was the only other sort of barracks > that came to mind! I even wondered if the Sally Ann had been the forerunner > to the Post Office counter for paying out pensions - military ones or > otherwise! > > That is very interesting that military pensions could be forfeited. I think > that this court-case was Geo Hry's 3rd, 4th or 5th - so was there a maximum > number of times that you could be convicted before you lost your pension > and, then, was it lost forever? By the time Geo Hry was in his mid-30s he'd > been convicted 16 times. > > Do you know of any online sites which explains military pensions for > post-1870? > > Again, many thanks, > Best wishes, > Carole

Hello Nivard, Many thanks for your speedy reply and all your interest and help. That's good to know that military service might still be a possibility but, like you, I haven't found any records through the ancestry-site I subscribe to. I found the case reported in 'Jackson's Oxford Journal' (Issue 6727) and also the 'Oxford Times', both dated 18 Feb 1882. 3xGt-Grandma was Amy (not, as reported, Emily) Cummins who said Geo Hry ANDREWS had been her lodger for the previous 9/10 years - which is why military service and pension seemed so unlikely to me. It's at Amy's address where Geo Hry was also found in the 1871 & 1881 censuses. I mentioned the Salvation Army as it was the only other sort of barracks that came to mind! I even wondered if the Sally Ann had been the forerunner to the Post Office counter for paying out pensions - military ones or otherwise! That is very interesting that military pensions could be forfeited. I think that this court-case was Geo Hry's 3rd, 4th or 5th - so was there a maximum number of times that you could be convicted before you lost your pension and, then, was it lost forever? By the time Geo Hry was in his mid-30s he'd been convicted 16 times. Do you know of any online sites which explains military pensions for post-1870? Again, many thanks, Best wishes, Carole