Hi All Lost Martha TAPLIN born 1822 Lower Heyford after her entry in the 1841 census in Lower Heyford. I have found a marriage TAPLIN, Martha Woodstock,Oxfordshire 1842 Jul-Aug-Sep Volume 16 Page 225 HOLLIS, William LEE, Edward NORGROVE, William SIMONS, John BADLEY, Jane = LEE ? STURCH, Priscilla = HOLLIS ? WYATT, Sarah So it looks like she married Norgrove or Simons but I can't find her or Sarah Wyatt with them in any census after the marriage. Mike Fisher in Droitwich

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Many thanks Margo, Eve, Paul and Jean for your interesting and useful responses to my posting re. FINMORE et al. I have a tentative theory that needs more research to confirm or rule out, as follows: - Jane BEST, assuming it is the same Jane, had another child Edward BESST who was baptised two years before James, i.e. 1788, in the same parish, Oxford St. Thomas. I can find no marriage or death for this Edward BEST. However there is a death for an Edward FINMORE, aged 27, in 1815 at Oxford St. Peters. Therefore born around 1788. I can find no baptism for this Edward FINMORE. I wonder therefore if Edward BEST and Edward FINMORE are in fact the same person and Edward also adopted the surname FINMORE as did James. There is another death recorded for an Edward FINMORE in 1791 in the same parish. Could this be Edward's (and James's) father? All a little tenuous perhaps but worth exploring further. -----Original Message----- From: Margo Mckinstry Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 2:54 PM To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OXF] FINMORE, BEST, HAYES, CARTER, ROUSE and LINDSEY/LINZEY You could check the local record office to see if they have any records on the parish. And you will want to check any other existing business records like the vestry minutes as well. The suggestion of the quarter session records is also a good one. Another place to search for them would be to go to www.familysearch.org and click on the Catalog on the home page. Do a place-names search for the parish and possibly the diocese and county, to search for "Church Records" and "Court Records" to see what could be available. If there is something there, you can order it into your local LDS Family History Center. I hope others will add to this conversation. Margo -----Original Message----- From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Frank Carter Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 5:10 AM To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OXF] FINMORE, BEST, HAYES, CARTER, ROUSE and LINDSEY/LINZEY Thank you Margo. Where / how can I access the Parish Chest records and Bastardy Bonds? Best Wishes Frank On Aug 10, 2012, at 21:30, Margo Mckinstry <McKinstryMJ@familysearch.org> wrote: > Frank, > > You have actually done some very thorough research. As far as the name of > the father, you may be right in assuming that Finmore was his surname but, > of course, that is only a supposition at this point. I am assuming that > you have James' original christening record and not just a transcription, > in case the vicar added anything to the record. > > The best place to go for records of this sort is the Parish Chest records > in the parish where James was born or in the parish where his mother > resided, if that is different. The Parish Chest Records contain the > business dealings of the parish such as paying the bell ringer, > maintaining the roads and taking care of the poor. If the officers of the > parish thought that they would have to financially help with James' > upbringing, they could force Jane to tell them the name of the father so > that they could assess him for the cost of James' care. These records are > called "bastardy bonds". > > Another record source may be the apprenticeship records. But it seems you > have already located and read these records. And make sure that you don't > just obtain the transcription but, in fact, you get a copy of the > originals so that you can make sure nothing was missed in the > transcription. > > In my case my Martha Dilks had two children out of wedlock. I found the > name of the father for her son William Gresley Dilks through bastardy > bonds. It was William Gresley. Three years later, my ancestor Mary Ann > was born but there is no such bastardy bond for her. Perhaps it is > because her father was also William Gresley, but that is pure speculation > on my part. > > I hope you have success with your research. > > Margo > British Research Consultant > FamilySearch > > -----Original Message----- > From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Frank Carter > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 6:56 AM > To: OXFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com > Subject: [OXF] FINMORE, BEST, HAYES, CARTER, ROUSE and LINDSEY/LINZEY > > I seem to have hit a brick wall researching my ancestor James Best FINMORE > and any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. > > His birth details were difficult to find as he was known as James Best > FINMORE throughout his life (and death) but I eventually found his baptism > recorded under the name James Finmore BEST. The baptism took place in 1790 > at Oxford St. Thomas. The mother was Jane BEST and the birth was recorded > as 'base born' i.e. illegitimate, and no father is recorded. > > As James used the surname FINMORE throughout his life, and for christening > his children, does this perhaps suggest that the father's surname was > FINMORE? Any thoughts on how it might be possible to ascertain who was the > father would be gratefully accepted. > > Other possibly relevant information is as follows: - > > There is a birth of an Edward BESST (sic) recorded to mother Jane in > Oxford St. Thomas in 1788. It seems likely that Edward is James’s brother > or half brother. > > James was apprenticed to Richard ROUSE, Cabinet Maker. His sponsor was an > uncle, Thomas LINDSAY / LINDSEY, a sergeant in the Oxfordshire militia. A > Thomas LINZEY married Elizabeth BEST in 1793 in Oxford St. Thomas. > > I searched for births of siblings named Jane and Elizabeth BEST of the > right age and found Jane, born in Oxford Holywell in 1765 to Matthew and > Jane, and sister Elizabeth born in 1768. There is also a brother William > born in 1766. > There is a good probability that this is our Jane. > > James married Maria HAYES at Abingdon St. Helens in 1815. I have details > of the subsequent census records and BMD information for the family and > descendants. > > James died in 1841. > > Other records in the OFHS index which may or may not have connections > are: - > • Matthias Best married Jane Mason in Oxford St. Aldates 30/09/1765 > • Jane Best died aged 39 in Oxford St. Mary Magdalen in 1804 > • Matthias and William Best, sons of Matthias died in Oxford St. > Aldates > in 1767 > • Elizabeth Best died aged 74 in Oxford St. Giles in 1845 > > Thank you. > > Frank CARTER > Devon > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Oxfordshire FHS "wills library" is at http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ > , with references to 47,347 people and 3,980 testators. Can you offer a > will? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Oxfordshire FHS "wills library" is at > http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ , with references to 47,347 people and > 3,980 testators. Can you offer a will? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oxfordshire FHS "wills library" is at http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ , with references to 47,347 people and 3,980 testators. 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Jack I did not reply to your last email as I have not heard back from my JUDD fellow genealogists in Waterlooville, but would be happy to view the photo's you have of people in them to see if I can identify anyone on them. Many thanks David Judd -----Original Message----- From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jack Honour Sent: 15 August 2012 14:48 To: OXFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [OXF] Hethe and Cottisford Photographs with possible ancestors Hi all, I have some photographs of Hethe and Cottisford with a number of people in I am yet to identify. I have photos of: - Cottisford Old Rectory. - Cottisford Village Scene with a man and child with a horse and cart outside a large house. - A picture of Cottisford crossroads showing houses and a number of locals. - A large farmhouse in the area with a woman and young girl stood outside. - 2 pictures of Hethe in the snow. - Another photo of Hethe in the snow outside the Whitmore Arms with a few people outside. - Hethe post office with about 10 people stood outside. I think they all date from about 1900-1910 - if anybody is interested or thinks they can identify anybody I would be very interested in hearing from them. Just drop me an email and I will send the pictures, I don't think I can post them straight onto here. Thank you, Jack ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oxfordshire FHS "wills library" is at http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ , with references to 47,347 people and 3,980 testators. Can you offer a will? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, I have some photographs of Hethe and Cottisford with a number of people in I am yet to identify. I have photos of: - Cottisford Old Rectory. - Cottisford Village Scene with a man and child with a horse and cart outside a large house. - A picture of Cottisford crossroads showing houses and a number of locals. - A large farmhouse in the area with a woman and young girl stood outside. - 2 pictures of Hethe in the snow. - Another photo of Hethe in the snow outside the Whitmore Arms with a few people outside. - Hethe post office with about 10 people stood outside. I think they all date from about 1900-1910 - if anybody is interested or thinks they can identify anybody I would be very interested in hearing from them. Just drop me an email and I will send the pictures, I don't think I can post them straight onto here. Thank you, Jack

You could check the local record office to see if they have any records on the parish. And you will want to check any other existing business records like the vestry minutes as well. The suggestion of the quarter session records is also a good one. Another place to search for them would be to go to www.familysearch.org and click on the Catalog on the home page. Do a place-names search for the parish and possibly the diocese and county, to search for "Church Records" and "Court Records" to see what could be available. If there is something there, you can order it into your local LDS Family History Center. I hope others will add to this conversation. Margo -----Original Message----- From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Frank Carter Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 5:10 AM To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OXF] FINMORE, BEST, HAYES, CARTER, ROUSE and LINDSEY/LINZEY Thank you Margo. Where / how can I access the Parish Chest records and Bastardy Bonds? Best Wishes Frank On Aug 10, 2012, at 21:30, Margo Mckinstry <McKinstryMJ@familysearch.org> wrote: > Frank, > > You have actually done some very thorough research. As far as the name of the father, you may be right in assuming that Finmore was his surname but, of course, that is only a supposition at this point. I am assuming that you have James' original christening record and not just a transcription, in case the vicar added anything to the record. > > The best place to go for records of this sort is the Parish Chest records in the parish where James was born or in the parish where his mother resided, if that is different. The Parish Chest Records contain the business dealings of the parish such as paying the bell ringer, maintaining the roads and taking care of the poor. If the officers of the parish thought that they would have to financially help with James' upbringing, they could force Jane to tell them the name of the father so that they could assess him for the cost of James' care. These records are called "bastardy bonds". > > Another record source may be the apprenticeship records. But it seems you have already located and read these records. And make sure that you don't just obtain the transcription but, in fact, you get a copy of the originals so that you can make sure nothing was missed in the transcription. > > In my case my Martha Dilks had two children out of wedlock. I found the name of the father for her son William Gresley Dilks through bastardy bonds. It was William Gresley. Three years later, my ancestor Mary Ann was born but there is no such bastardy bond for her. Perhaps it is because her father was also William Gresley, but that is pure speculation on my part. > > I hope you have success with your research. > > Margo > British Research Consultant > FamilySearch > > -----Original Message----- > From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Frank Carter > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 6:56 AM > To: OXFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com > Subject: [OXF] FINMORE, BEST, HAYES, CARTER, ROUSE and LINDSEY/LINZEY > > I seem to have hit a brick wall researching my ancestor James Best FINMORE and any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. > > His birth details were difficult to find as he was known as James Best FINMORE throughout his life (and death) but I eventually found his baptism recorded under the name James Finmore BEST. The baptism took place in 1790 at Oxford St. Thomas. The mother was Jane BEST and the birth was recorded as 'base born' i.e. illegitimate, and no father is recorded. > > As James used the surname FINMORE throughout his life, and for christening his children, does this perhaps suggest that the father's surname was FINMORE? Any thoughts on how it might be possible to ascertain who was the father would be gratefully accepted. > > Other possibly relevant information is as follows: - > > There is a birth of an Edward BESST (sic) recorded to mother Jane in Oxford St. Thomas in 1788. It seems likely that Edward is James’s brother or half brother. > > James was apprenticed to Richard ROUSE, Cabinet Maker. His sponsor was an uncle, Thomas LINDSAY / LINDSEY, a sergeant in the Oxfordshire militia. A Thomas LINZEY married Elizabeth BEST in 1793 in Oxford St. Thomas. > > I searched for births of siblings named Jane and Elizabeth BEST of the right age and found Jane, born in Oxford Holywell in 1765 to Matthew and Jane, and sister Elizabeth born in 1768. There is also a brother William born in 1766. > There is a good probability that this is our Jane. > > James married Maria HAYES at Abingdon St. Helens in 1815. I have details of the subsequent census records and BMD information for the family and descendants. > > James died in 1841. > > Other records in the OFHS index which may or may not have connections are: - > • Matthias Best married Jane Mason in Oxford St. Aldates 30/09/1765 > • Jane Best died aged 39 in Oxford St. Mary Magdalen in 1804 > • Matthias and William Best, sons of Matthias died in Oxford St. Aldates > in 1767 > • Elizabeth Best died aged 74 in Oxford St. Giles in 1845 > > Thank you. > > Frank CARTER > Devon > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Oxfordshire FHS "wills library" is at http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ , with references to 47,347 people and 3,980 testators. Can you offer a will? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Oxfordshire FHS "wills library" is at > http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ , with references to 47,347 people and 3,980 testators. Can you offer a will? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oxfordshire FHS "wills library" is at http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ , with references to 47,347 people and 3,980 testators. 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> I seem to have hit a brick wall researching my ancestor James Best FINMORE > and any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. > > His birth details were difficult to find as he was known as James Best > FINMORE throughout his life (and death) but I eventually found his baptism > recorded under the name James Finmore BEST. The baptism took place in 1790 > at Oxford St. Thomas. The mother was Jane BEST and the birth was recorded as > 'base born' i.e. illegitimate, and no father is recorded. > > As James used the surname FINMORE throughout his life, and for christening > his children, does this perhaps suggest that the father's surname was > FINMORE? There is a 'vehement suspicion' that this is the case. Probably, because he was a boy, the father did more or less achnowledge him. With luck, you should find a bastardy bond in the parish Overseers' papers, or the entry in Quarter sessions impsoing this on James. Only if he paid up-front and substantially should this be missing. If Jane was in the habit of producing offspring, then maybe either there will be other bastardy bonds, or, if the father was the same, nothing may happen till she is dumped when she reached 35 or 40. The name could be Fenemore, Finnamore etc and is found locally to Oxford and Bucks. EVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society

Thank you Margo. Where / how can I access the Parish Chest records and Bastardy Bonds? Best Wishes Frank On Aug 10, 2012, at 21:30, Margo Mckinstry <McKinstryMJ@familysearch.org> wrote: > Frank, > > You have actually done some very thorough research. As far as the name of the father, you may be right in assuming that Finmore was his surname but, of course, that is only a supposition at this point. I am assuming that you have James' original christening record and not just a transcription, in case the vicar added anything to the record. > > The best place to go for records of this sort is the Parish Chest records in the parish where James was born or in the parish where his mother resided, if that is different. The Parish Chest Records contain the business dealings of the parish such as paying the bell ringer, maintaining the roads and taking care of the poor. If the officers of the parish thought that they would have to financially help with James' upbringing, they could force Jane to tell them the name of the father so that they could assess him for the cost of James' care. These records are called "bastardy bonds". > > Another record source may be the apprenticeship records. But it seems you have already located and read these records. And make sure that you don't just obtain the transcription but, in fact, you get a copy of the originals so that you can make sure nothing was missed in the transcription. > > In my case my Martha Dilks had two children out of wedlock. I found the name of the father for her son William Gresley Dilks through bastardy bonds. It was William Gresley. Three years later, my ancestor Mary Ann was born but there is no such bastardy bond for her. Perhaps it is because her father was also William Gresley, but that is pure speculation on my part. > > I hope you have success with your research. > > Margo > British Research Consultant > FamilySearch > > -----Original Message----- > From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Frank Carter > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 6:56 AM > To: OXFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com > Subject: [OXF] FINMORE, BEST, HAYES, CARTER, ROUSE and LINDSEY/LINZEY > > I seem to have hit a brick wall researching my ancestor James Best FINMORE and any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. > > His birth details were difficult to find as he was known as James Best FINMORE throughout his life (and death) but I eventually found his baptism recorded under the name James Finmore BEST. The baptism took place in 1790 at Oxford St. Thomas. The mother was Jane BEST and the birth was recorded as 'base born' i.e. illegitimate, and no father is recorded. > > As James used the surname FINMORE throughout his life, and for christening his children, does this perhaps suggest that the father's surname was FINMORE? Any thoughts on how it might be possible to ascertain who was the father would be gratefully accepted. > > Other possibly relevant information is as follows: - > > There is a birth of an Edward BESST (sic) recorded to mother Jane in Oxford St. Thomas in 1788. It seems likely that Edward is James’s brother or half brother. > > James was apprenticed to Richard ROUSE, Cabinet Maker. His sponsor was an uncle, Thomas LINDSAY / LINDSEY, a sergeant in the Oxfordshire militia. A Thomas LINZEY married Elizabeth BEST in 1793 in Oxford St. Thomas. > > I searched for births of siblings named Jane and Elizabeth BEST of the right age and found Jane, born in Oxford Holywell in 1765 to Matthew and Jane, and sister Elizabeth born in 1768. There is also a brother William born in 1766. > There is a good probability that this is our Jane. > > James married Maria HAYES at Abingdon St. Helens in 1815. I have details of the subsequent census records and BMD information for the family and descendants. > > James died in 1841. > > Other records in the OFHS index which may or may not have connections are: - > • Matthias Best married Jane Mason in Oxford St. Aldates 30/09/1765 > • Jane Best died aged 39 in Oxford St. Mary Magdalen in 1804 > • Matthias and William Best, sons of Matthias died in Oxford St. Aldates > in 1767 > • Elizabeth Best died aged 74 in Oxford St. Giles in 1845 > > Thank you. > > Frank CARTER > Devon > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Oxfordshire FHS "wills library" is at http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ , with references to 47,347 people and 3,980 testators. Can you offer a will? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Oxfordshire FHS "wills library" is at http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ , > with references to 47,347 people and 3,980 testators. Can you offer a will? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

List members - The August Oxfordshire FHS journal is now with OFHS members. To see its cover and a taster of the contents, (and the contents lists of some previous journals), visit www.ofhs.org.uk. You can click on the covers to see the contents. OFHS members receive three such journals a year, as well as a copy of Colin Harris's book "Oxfordshire Parish Registers & Bishop's Transcripts" in their welcome pack. We get good feedback from those members who write for the journal indicating that their pieces are widely read, and we're often told that authors hear from others as a result of having had an article or their surname interests published. Have you made an interesting discovery - or collected a list of names related to a particular place or event - or have you a mystery members may be able to solve - or do you have a genealogical tale to tell ? Articles for the next OFHS journal are currently being assembled, and there is currently room for more. Submitters of articles do have to belong to the Society, but, as I mentioned, you would receive the journals as a member and be supporting genealogy within Oxfordshire. Don't feel you have to live in Oxfordshire to belong to Oxfordshire FHS - most of our members don't! Whether or not you might submit an article, do consider joining Oxfordshire FHS! You can join by credit card through the shopping cart - see Membership on the left at www.ofhs.org.uk , and details of cheque payment are given there also. Do get in touch with me if there are any matters you would like to raise about the Society. Wendy Chairman, Oxfordshire FHS www.ofhs.org.uk

Frank, You have actually done some very thorough research. As far as the name of the father, you may be right in assuming that Finmore was his surname but, of course, that is only a supposition at this point. I am assuming that you have James' original christening record and not just a transcription, in case the vicar added anything to the record. The best place to go for records of this sort is the Parish Chest records in the parish where James was born or in the parish where his mother resided, if that is different. The Parish Chest Records contain the business dealings of the parish such as paying the bell ringer, maintaining the roads and taking care of the poor. If the officers of the parish thought that they would have to financially help with James' upbringing, they could force Jane to tell them the name of the father so that they could assess him for the cost of James' care. These records are called "bastardy bonds". Another record source may be the apprenticeship records. But it seems you have already located and read these records. And make sure that you don't just obtain the transcription but, in fact, you get a copy of the originals so that you can make sure nothing was missed in the transcription. In my case my Martha Dilks had two children out of wedlock. I found the name of the father for her son William Gresley Dilks through bastardy bonds. It was William Gresley. Three years later, my ancestor Mary Ann was born but there is no such bastardy bond for her. Perhaps it is because her father was also William Gresley, but that is pure speculation on my part. I hope you have success with your research. Margo British Research Consultant FamilySearch -----Original Message----- From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Frank Carter Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 6:56 AM To: OXFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [OXF] FINMORE, BEST, HAYES, CARTER, ROUSE and LINDSEY/LINZEY I seem to have hit a brick wall researching my ancestor James Best FINMORE and any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. His birth details were difficult to find as he was known as James Best FINMORE throughout his life (and death) but I eventually found his baptism recorded under the name James Finmore BEST. The baptism took place in 1790 at Oxford St. Thomas. The mother was Jane BEST and the birth was recorded as 'base born' i.e. illegitimate, and no father is recorded. As James used the surname FINMORE throughout his life, and for christening his children, does this perhaps suggest that the father's surname was FINMORE? Any thoughts on how it might be possible to ascertain who was the father would be gratefully accepted. Other possibly relevant information is as follows: - There is a birth of an Edward BESST (sic) recorded to mother Jane in Oxford St. Thomas in 1788. It seems likely that Edward is James’s brother or half brother. James was apprenticed to Richard ROUSE, Cabinet Maker. His sponsor was an uncle, Thomas LINDSAY / LINDSEY, a sergeant in the Oxfordshire militia. A Thomas LINZEY married Elizabeth BEST in 1793 in Oxford St. Thomas. I searched for births of siblings named Jane and Elizabeth BEST of the right age and found Jane, born in Oxford Holywell in 1765 to Matthew and Jane, and sister Elizabeth born in 1768. There is also a brother William born in 1766. There is a good probability that this is our Jane. James married Maria HAYES at Abingdon St. Helens in 1815. I have details of the subsequent census records and BMD information for the family and descendants. James died in 1841. Other records in the OFHS index which may or may not have connections are: - • Matthias Best married Jane Mason in Oxford St. Aldates 30/09/1765 • Jane Best died aged 39 in Oxford St. Mary Magdalen in 1804 • Matthias and William Best, sons of Matthias died in Oxford St. Aldates in 1767 • Elizabeth Best died aged 74 in Oxford St. Giles in 1845 Thank you. Frank CARTER Devon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oxfordshire FHS "wills library" is at http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ , with references to 47,347 people and 3,980 testators. Can you offer a will? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank for your helpful comments , Paul -----Original Message----- From: Paul Irving Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 2:56 PM To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OXF] FINMORE, BEST, HAYES, CARTER, ROUSE and LINDSEY/LINZEY I'd say it was very likely that his father's name was FINMORE, though I wouldn't rely on the spelling being exact. I think it was common for mothers of illegitimate children to give them the father's name as a middle name when the father didn't own up, to try to shame him into admitting parentage, & to let everyone know. I'd look for any FINMORE (& similar) males around that time, particularly named James. Also, there might be a record somewhere of the father being forced to pay to help support young James, perhaps the parish taking him to court. On 07/08/2012 13:56, Frank Carter wrote: > I seem to have hit a brick wall researching my ancestor James Best FINMORE > and any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. > > His birth details were difficult to find as he was known as James Best > FINMORE throughout his life (and death) but I eventually found his baptism > recorded under the name James Finmore BEST. The baptism took place in 1790 > at Oxford St. Thomas. The mother was Jane BEST and the birth was recorded > as > 'base born' i.e. illegitimate, and no father is recorded. > > As James used the surname FINMORE throughout his life, and for christening > his children, does this perhaps suggest that the father's surname was > FINMORE? Any thoughts on how it might be possible to ascertain who was the > father would be gratefully accepted. > > Other possibly relevant information is as follows: - > > There is a birth of an Edward BESST (sic) recorded to mother Jane in > Oxford > St. Thomas in 1788. It seems likely that Edward is James’s brother or half > brother. > > James was apprenticed to Richard ROUSE, Cabinet Maker. His sponsor was an > uncle, Thomas LINDSAY / LINDSEY, a sergeant in the Oxfordshire militia. A > Thomas LINZEY married Elizabeth BEST in 1793 in Oxford St. Thomas. > > I searched for births of siblings named Jane and Elizabeth BEST of the > right > age and found Jane, born in Oxford Holywell in 1765 to Matthew and Jane, > and > sister Elizabeth born in 1768. There is also a brother William born in > 1766. > There is a good probability that this is our Jane. > > James married Maria HAYES at Abingdon St. Helens in 1815. I have details > of > the subsequent census records and BMD information for the family and > descendants. > > James died in 1841. > > Other records in the OFHS index which may or may not have connections > are: - > • Matthias Best married Jane Mason in Oxford St. Aldates 30/09/1765 > • Jane Best died aged 39 in Oxford St. Mary Magdalen in 1804 > • Matthias and William Best, sons of Matthias died in Oxford St. > Aldates > in 1767 > • Elizabeth Best died aged 74 in Oxford St. Giles in 1845 > > Thank you. > > Frank CARTER > Devon > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Oxfordshire FHS "wills library" is at http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ > , > with references to 47,347 people and 3,980 testators. Can you offer a > will? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oxfordshire FHS "wills library" is at http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ , with references to 47,347 people and 3,980 testators. Can you offer a will? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'd say it was very likely that his father's name was FINMORE, though I wouldn't rely on the spelling being exact. I think it was common for mothers of illegitimate children to give them the father's name as a middle name when the father didn't own up, to try to shame him into admitting parentage, & to let everyone know. I'd look for any FINMORE (& similar) males around that time, particularly named James. Also, there might be a record somewhere of the father being forced to pay to help support young James, perhaps the parish taking him to court. On 07/08/2012 13:56, Frank Carter wrote: > I seem to have hit a brick wall researching my ancestor James Best FINMORE > and any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. > > His birth details were difficult to find as he was known as James Best > FINMORE throughout his life (and death) but I eventually found his baptism > recorded under the name James Finmore BEST. The baptism took place in 1790 > at Oxford St. Thomas. The mother was Jane BEST and the birth was recorded as > 'base born' i.e. illegitimate, and no father is recorded. > > As James used the surname FINMORE throughout his life, and for christening > his children, does this perhaps suggest that the father's surname was > FINMORE? Any thoughts on how it might be possible to ascertain who was the > father would be gratefully accepted. > > Other possibly relevant information is as follows: - > > There is a birth of an Edward BESST (sic) recorded to mother Jane in Oxford > St. Thomas in 1788. It seems likely that Edward is James’s brother or half > brother. > > James was apprenticed to Richard ROUSE, Cabinet Maker. His sponsor was an > uncle, Thomas LINDSAY / LINDSEY, a sergeant in the Oxfordshire militia. A > Thomas LINZEY married Elizabeth BEST in 1793 in Oxford St. Thomas. > > I searched for births of siblings named Jane and Elizabeth BEST of the right > age and found Jane, born in Oxford Holywell in 1765 to Matthew and Jane, and > sister Elizabeth born in 1768. There is also a brother William born in 1766. > There is a good probability that this is our Jane. > > James married Maria HAYES at Abingdon St. Helens in 1815. I have details of > the subsequent census records and BMD information for the family and > descendants. > > James died in 1841. > > Other records in the OFHS index which may or may not have connections are: - > • Matthias Best married Jane Mason in Oxford St. Aldates 30/09/1765 > • Jane Best died aged 39 in Oxford St. Mary Magdalen in 1804 > • Matthias and William Best, sons of Matthias died in Oxford St. Aldates > in 1767 > • Elizabeth Best died aged 74 in Oxford St. Giles in 1845 > > Thank you. > > Frank CARTER > Devon > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Oxfordshire FHS "wills library" is at http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ , > with references to 47,347 people and 3,980 testators. Can you offer a will? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Eve, Craig & Catherine Catherine - is Dutton's Farm in Curbridge - I don't know of one in Asthal Leigh Kind regards Lynne > Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:24:05 -0600 > From: c.pickup@gmail.com > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [OXF] J A Fenemore -dairy Asthalleigh > > According to the 1873 Return of Landowners, the Fenemores at that time > only owned just over 1 acre in the Witney area. They were much bigger > farmers in the Launton area where they had a couple of holdings > totaling about 80 acres and another acre in the Steeple Aston area. > http://www.genoot.com/eng/oxf/landowners/landowner_e-f.html > > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Catherine Hitchens > <catherine.lordlandry@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > Duttons Farm, Asthall Leigh, was farmed by Philip Gould (My great uncle) > > who married Kitty Fenemore daughter of Joseph and then farmed Duttons Farm, > > but there were no offspring. They lived in Minster Lovell in retirement. > > Philip formerly farmed Peashell Farm, Curbridge with his brothers James and > > Ernest, although their father, William Thomas, actually lived at Stanhope > > Cottage, Curbridge. > > > > Catherine > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nivard Ovington > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 7:55 PM > > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [OXF] J A Fenemore -dairy Asthalleigh > > > > Hi Lynne > > > > Not much but... > > > > British Phone Books, 1880-1984 (Ancestry) > > Burford...37 FENEMORE J.A. Farmer & Dealer ... Asthaleigh Witny > > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > On 01/08/2012 15:59, Lynne Hughson wrote: > >> > >> I wonder if anyone can help - the village hall a Asthal Leigh has been > >> given an early milk bottle marked as J A Fenemore Asthalleigh Dairy and we > >> are trying to find out more about the dairy. > >> So far I have a Joseph Alban Fenemore b 1875 who lived in Asthal Leigh but > >> I'm not sure where. I have also found an entry in the Victoria County > >> History showing from Kelly's Directory 1931 & 35 that there was a small > >> dairy farm at Asthal Leigh. > >> > >> If anyone can provide any more information it would be much appreciated > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Lynne > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >

> > THanks very much Michael - have looked at the information on line & have > emailed the museum to see if they have any more info > > Best wishes > > Lynne > > > > >

I seem to have hit a brick wall researching my ancestor James Best FINMORE and any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. His birth details were difficult to find as he was known as James Best FINMORE throughout his life (and death) but I eventually found his baptism recorded under the name James Finmore BEST. The baptism took place in 1790 at Oxford St. Thomas. The mother was Jane BEST and the birth was recorded as 'base born' i.e. illegitimate, and no father is recorded. As James used the surname FINMORE throughout his life, and for christening his children, does this perhaps suggest that the father's surname was FINMORE? Any thoughts on how it might be possible to ascertain who was the father would be gratefully accepted. Other possibly relevant information is as follows: - There is a birth of an Edward BESST (sic) recorded to mother Jane in Oxford St. Thomas in 1788. It seems likely that Edward is James’s brother or half brother. James was apprenticed to Richard ROUSE, Cabinet Maker. His sponsor was an uncle, Thomas LINDSAY / LINDSEY, a sergeant in the Oxfordshire militia. A Thomas LINZEY married Elizabeth BEST in 1793 in Oxford St. Thomas. I searched for births of siblings named Jane and Elizabeth BEST of the right age and found Jane, born in Oxford Holywell in 1765 to Matthew and Jane, and sister Elizabeth born in 1768. There is also a brother William born in 1766. There is a good probability that this is our Jane. James married Maria HAYES at Abingdon St. Helens in 1815. I have details of the subsequent census records and BMD information for the family and descendants. James died in 1841. Other records in the OFHS index which may or may not have connections are: - • Matthias Best married Jane Mason in Oxford St. Aldates 30/09/1765 • Jane Best died aged 39 in Oxford St. Mary Magdalen in 1804 • Matthias and William Best, sons of Matthias died in Oxford St. Aldates in 1767 • Elizabeth Best died aged 74 in Oxford St. Giles in 1845 Thank you. Frank CARTER Devon

Dear Paul Thank you very much for your very useful information. I was wondering if I should buy another CD of church records, but would not have thought of St Aldates. I am so pleased to have confirmation that Thorpe William was the son of William and Sarah as he does not appear in any census. The death certificate gives the informant as that of Sarah Gibbs so I had been fairly sure. Thorpe Stevens was Sarah's brother and Thorpe was used for 2 other children (one was baptised and buried at St Thomas in 1839, the other born in 1857, baptised at St Giles and he lived until 1910 and was also a carpenter like his uncle, who had had only the one child who died as an infant). I think the age of Ellen in the 1841 census must be an error as the ages she gives in all subsequent census (right up to 1911) would put her birth in 1835/1836. My greatgreat grandfather Albert was born about 1840, age 1 in the 1841 census, but was not baptised until 5 July 1857, aged 16. Jane gives her age as 14 in the 1851 census, which would make her birth about 1837 - she marries John Baylis in 1854 and I think dies in 1855 (from the bmd indexes) as I cannot find her after that. Sarah Gibbs was constantly pregnant from age of 16 when she married shortly before the birth of her first child! I have found 15 children in all. She did well though, living to the age of 78 when she died of "exhaustion of old age"! Thank you again very much for your assistance. Regards Rosemary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Betteridge" <pbetteridge@pobox.com> To: <oxfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [OXF] Gibbs - baptisms near Shotover > Dear Rosemary, > >> I am looking for baptisms for several children of William and Sarah >> Gibbs when they were living in Shotover between about 1829 and 1838. >> There does not seem to be a church in Shotover so I was wondering >> where any baptisms are likely to have taken place. > > One good reference for questions of this sort is the book published by > Oxfordshire Family History Society called "Oxfordshire Parish Registers > and Bishop's Transcripts", by Colin Harris. (sold by OFHS: > http://www.ofhs.org.uk/books.html ; also in PDF on more recent parish > register CDs). > > This book says that Shotover was "extra-parochial", so no church, no > parish, and people would need to make use of an adjoining parish. Colin > Harris's book suggests Forest Hill. I also think Headington would be a > reasonable choice. > > However, the actual place of baptism appears to be St Aldates in Oxford. > I can find: > > 1830 October 10 GIBBS Ann Adelina d William & Sarah, labourer, Shotover > > Based on that, these 2 baptisms in St Aldates also seem to be relevant: > > 1829 Feb 8 GIBBS Thorpe William s William & Sarah, labourer > 1832 May 20 GIBBS William s William & Sarah, labourer > > I also note the name "Thorpe", which matches one of the children > baptised later in St Giles. > > There are also these 2 children baptised in Headington: > > 1835 19 Apr GIBBS James s William & Sarah, labourer > 1835 19 Apr GIBBS Ellen d William & Sarah, labourer > > James seems to match with one of the children in 1841 (and Ellen is the > name of another child in 1841, although the age does not seem to match.) > It's difficult to be precisely sure these belong to the family, but > Headington is not improbable for residents of Shotover. > > I can't see any children in Forest Hill. > > > ... >> Ann Adelaide, William and Jane Gibbs (born about 1831, 1832 and 1836 >> respectively) consistently given their birthplace as Shotover in >> census returns. > > Jane is difficult. I wonder if the answer is this: Jane is actually the > child whose baptism is recorded as "Ellen" in Headington in 1835. This > child cannot be the Ellen in the 1841 census, if her age of 1 is > accurately recorded. > > There may have been a mistake in recording the baptism (or in principle, > in the transcription, although the error seems unlikely here), or there > may be something about the 1841 census. One is never completely sure > about relationships there, and the order of the children's ages is not > regular (but one wouldn't make much of that usually.) > > I tried looking on FreeBMD. I can't see anything to clear this up > (although the first birth in 1835 is clearly out of range.) Have you > seen the entry for "Thoipe (sic) Gibbs" in September quarter 1839, > Headington registration district? > > > There is also a Thorpe William Gibbs, born about 1829 as >> he was buried in 1838 age 9 at St Thomas, who may have been born in >> Shotover. > > See Oxford St Aldate - I agree he is probably another child of the family. > > It seems a very mobile family considering; although if, as seems likely, > William Gibbs was a jobbing gardener, he might have lived in and worked > in any of the outlying parishes/areas of Oxford where there were market > gardens. Shotover, St Giles, and St Thomas would all be likely places. > > Best wishes > > Paul > > -- > Paul Betteridge, Leafield, Oxfordshire > pbetteridge@pobox.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Oxfordshire FHS "wills library" is at http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ > , > with references to 47,347 people and 3,980 testators. Can you offer a > will? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bob I notice on the same vol 20 page 2533 in Ancestry and FMP an entry for Charlotte Morellini Sister . Mike Fisher in Droitwich my family tree http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com On 06/08/2012 23:15, bob simmonds wrote: > > Can anyone please help? > > I am seeking any information on Charlotte Morellini whose death took place in Oxford > in Oct 1984.......no site appears to give her age or date of birth? ......any information > on her life in Oxford would be most welcome? > > Thanking you > > Bob Simmonds > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Oxfordshire FHS "wills library" is at http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ , > with references to 47,347 people and 3,980 testators. Can you offer a will? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Can anyone please help? I am seeking any information on Charlotte Morellini whose death took place in Oxford in Oct 1984.......no site appears to give her age or date of birth? ......any information on her life in Oxford would be most welcome? Thanking you Bob Simmonds

Dear Rosemary, > I am looking for baptisms for several children of William and Sarah > Gibbs when they were living in Shotover between about 1829 and 1838. > There does not seem to be a church in Shotover so I was wondering > where any baptisms are likely to have taken place. One good reference for questions of this sort is the book published by Oxfordshire Family History Society called "Oxfordshire Parish Registers and Bishop's Transcripts", by Colin Harris. (sold by OFHS: http://www.ofhs.org.uk/books.html ; also in PDF on more recent parish register CDs). This book says that Shotover was "extra-parochial", so no church, no parish, and people would need to make use of an adjoining parish. Colin Harris's book suggests Forest Hill. I also think Headington would be a reasonable choice. However, the actual place of baptism appears to be St Aldates in Oxford. I can find: 1830 October 10 GIBBS Ann Adelina d William & Sarah, labourer, Shotover Based on that, these 2 baptisms in St Aldates also seem to be relevant: 1829 Feb 8 GIBBS Thorpe William s William & Sarah, labourer 1832 May 20 GIBBS William s William & Sarah, labourer I also note the name "Thorpe", which matches one of the children baptised later in St Giles. There are also these 2 children baptised in Headington: 1835 19 Apr GIBBS James s William & Sarah, labourer 1835 19 Apr GIBBS Ellen d William & Sarah, labourer James seems to match with one of the children in 1841 (and Ellen is the name of another child in 1841, although the age does not seem to match.) It's difficult to be precisely sure these belong to the family, but Headington is not improbable for residents of Shotover. I can't see any children in Forest Hill. > ... > Ann Adelaide, William and Jane Gibbs (born about 1831, 1832 and 1836 > respectively) consistently given their birthplace as Shotover in > census returns. Jane is difficult. I wonder if the answer is this: Jane is actually the child whose baptism is recorded as "Ellen" in Headington in 1835. This child cannot be the Ellen in the 1841 census, if her age of 1 is accurately recorded. There may have been a mistake in recording the baptism (or in principle, in the transcription, although the error seems unlikely here), or there may be something about the 1841 census. One is never completely sure about relationships there, and the order of the children's ages is not regular (but one wouldn't make much of that usually.) I tried looking on FreeBMD. I can't see anything to clear this up (although the first birth in 1835 is clearly out of range.) Have you seen the entry for "Thoipe (sic) Gibbs" in September quarter 1839, Headington registration district? > There is also a Thorpe William Gibbs, born about 1829 as > he was buried in 1838 age 9 at St Thomas, who may have been born in > Shotover. See Oxford St Aldate - I agree he is probably another child of the family. It seems a very mobile family considering; although if, as seems likely, William Gibbs was a jobbing gardener, he might have lived in and worked in any of the outlying parishes/areas of Oxford where there were market gardens. Shotover, St Giles, and St Thomas would all be likely places. Best wishes Paul -- Paul Betteridge, Leafield, Oxfordshire pbetteridge@pobox.com

All The next computer meeting of the Oxfordshire Family History Society will take place on Monday 6 August 2012 at the usual venue at Exeter Hall, Oxford Road, Kidlington, Oxford OX5 1AB. Doors open at 7.15pm, with the talk starting at 7.30pm. The subject of the talk is "Bucks Church Finder – Using the GRO Marriage Indexes to identify the parish church where a specific marriage took place". This will be presented by Brian Horridge. All members, potential members and their guests are welcome. For directions as to how to get to the Exeter Hall, please see :- http://www.ofhs.org.uk/ExeterHall.html For a list of future OFHS meetings, please see :- http://www.ofhs.org.uk/meetings.html Any queries, please contact me. Paul Gaskell Publicity Officer Oxfordshire Family History Society www.ofhs.org.uk