Thank you Jon I hadn't looked too hard yet for Alban and family, apart from searching 'Alban Root' and 'Hannah Root' with no results. I hadn't yet tried wild cards or surname omission. You can see how it's been transcribed Roof and Hannah definitely looks like Henry, despite the age being in the Female column. Now just Job to find! Neil ________________________________ From: Jon <berksmon@sky.com> To: Neil Grantham <neil40@btinternet.com>; oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 16 September 2012, 11:56 Subject: Re: [OXF] 1911 Census help - fresh ideas needed! Hi Neil, Alban Root is in the 1911 census at 5 Mill Street, Banbury. He's a butcher aged 44. Indexed on Ancestry as ROOF.   Married 10 yrs. Hannah indexed as Henry and aged 30. Children: Amy 9, Liscy 5, Albian 6, Eady 3, and Willey 1.     Best wishes, Jon      

I wonder if some one can shed some light onto a mystery concerning two branches of my family living in Oxford between the 1851 and 1861 census returns? The first is a Henry Hicks whose father, Paul Hicks a grocer in Oxford, died in 1839 leaving his business to him. This is reflected in the 1841 and 1851 census returns. The 1861 census has him in the workhouse where he spent the rest of his life until his death in1893. The second concerns Henry Hicks' cousin, Thomas Joy,whose father William Joy (Henry Hicks' uncle) died in 1847. William Joy was a tailor and son Thomas,together with his brother Alfred,took over the family business. This is reflected in the 1851 census. The 1861 census has Thomas,no longer a tailor,living in London. The 1871 census has him as a temporary clerk at a Post Office in London. No sign of Alfred Is it just a coincidence that these two businesses failed or did something happen in Oxford during this period to cause a down turn in the economy? The effects of the Crimea War perhaps? Peter Taylor Glossop Derbyshire

And in case you’re interested Neil, it appears that Alban’s family is indexed in 1891 on ancestry as ROOS. Jonathan 57, Esther 55, Alban 24, and James 15. In 1871 the family was indexed as KOOT but there has already been a correction added. Best wishes, Jon

Hi Neil, Alban Root is in the 1911 census at 5 Mill Street, Banbury. He's a butcher aged 44. Indexed on Ancestry as ROOF. Married 10 yrs. Hannah indexed as Henry and aged 30. Children: Amy 9, Liscy 5, Albian 6, Eady 3, and Willey 1. Best wishes, Jon

Hi Neil I did a search on Ancestry of the 1911 census for Oxfordshire and found Alban Roof , a butcher, aged 44 living with his family at 5 Mill St. , Banbury Alban Roof 44 Henry Roof 30 Amy Roof 9 Liscy Roof 5 Albian Roof 6 Eady Roof 3 Willey Roof 1 Corey Message: 1 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 23:14:27 +0100 (BST) From: Neil Grantham <neil40@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [OXF] 1911 Census help - fresh ideas needed! To: "mjflists@yahoo.co.uk" <mjflists@yahoo.co.uk>, "oxfordshire@rootsweb.com" <oxfordshire@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1347747267.22381.YahooMailNeo@web87404.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Job's siblings are as follows (and those I've found on the 1911, he's not with them!) Amy (Job's mother) was married to Isaac Webb before my Great Grandfather and had 2 children 1 - Rose Webb, married James Hambridge. At Overseal, Leicestershire 1911 2 - Ann Webb - no information on her Then Job's siblings by his own father Edwin Grantham 3 - Hannah Maria, married Alban Root - can't find them in 1911 etc etc

Job's siblings are as follows (and those I've found on the 1911, he's not with them!) Amy (Job's mother) was married to Isaac Webb before my Great Grandfather and had 2 children 1 - Rose Webb, married James Hambridge. At Overseal, Leicestershire 1911 2 - Ann Webb - no information on her Then Job's siblings by his own father Edwin Grantham 3 - Hannah Maria, married Alban Root - can't find them in 1911 4 - Beatrice Jane, married Reuben Owen Unsworth. Caversham in 1911 (also has younger sister Lily visiting) 5 - William Edwin - died 1882 6 - John George (Jack) married Sarah Elizabeth Hoare on 2 separate barges 1911 7 - Mary Ann, married Thomas Hambridge - Mill Street, Banbury 1911 8 - James Samuel - died 1883 9 - Edwin Ira, married Eva Emily Adkins, at home (9 Factory Street) with mother Amy (listed as Edward) 1911 10 - Amy Caroline - died 1888 11 - Lily Elsie (see above) - listed as Elsie Ellie in 1911 12 - Job 13 - Edith Maud - Domestic Servant, 1911 To answer Lesley Heaney's reply, the J. G. Grantham listed as Head of Family/Separate Occupier of 9 Factory Street is #6 listed above, my Grandfathers older brother. It was common that many Boatmen had houses in Factory Street, Banbury, which was very close to the Wharf. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike in Droitwich <mjflists@yahoo.co.uk> To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2012, 9:59 Subject: Re: [OXF] 1911 Census help - fresh ideas needed! Hi Neil Have you tracked down the rest of his siblings in the 1911 census , as there appear to be another seven apart from Job & Edward. (12 born 9 living 3 dead Mike Fisher in Droitwich my family tree http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com/ On 13/09/2012 09:38, Neil Grantham wrote: > Thanks Dawn > > As far as I know, he didn't marry before my grandma in 1915, and didn't change his surname. > As I mentioned, his mother is listed in 1911 (with the Grantham Surname) living with Job's older brother Edward. They are at 9 Factory Street, Banbury. > > > Neil > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. See www.ofhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As a start - try to eliminate all you can. Surname for sure, but Job could be misinterpreted as Joel, Jos Jas and John just off the top of my head. I would ditch Oxfordshire as place of birth too. Have you tried eg Banbury - or just nothing? You will have to look about for him for sure - it will not be easy. There are 8 pages on fmp when I looked - Job, no surname - born 1891 -plus or minus two years, and there is a Job Granter whin Hampshire which you might want to check - born 1893 though I would not be concerned by a difference of one or two years in age. These things vary and.. it would not prevent me looking him up, that is. Consider also he is using his Mum's maiden name - or, did Mum remarry a bit later? and if so, check that surname too. Check neighbours and the old region of Banbury house by house too. And boats etc, army, whatever. Have you looked for marriages for him - he is old enough - and or emigration? Dawn (Melbourne Australia where it is cold and today raining heavily on and off) -----Original Message----- From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil Grantham Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012 7:34 AM To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [OXF] 1911 Census help - fresh ideas needed! Hello List I've been looking in vain for my Grandfather on the 1911 Census, and thought I'd address the list to see if anyone who's 'expert' at obscure searches can come up with some new ideas for finding him.   I've tried searching just on his forename and year of birth with oxfordshire as place of birth, all Granthams born in that year, Wildcard surname (Gr*nth*m) and also soundex on both fore and surname etc.   He was Job Grantham, and he was born in 1891 (6th Feb to be exact) at Mill Street, Banbury. He is with his parents in 1901 in Mill Lane, Banbury, but not 1911 - she is widowed living with one son.   Thanks for any thoughts on approaching this in a different way.   Neil ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. See www.ofhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7471 (20120912) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7472 (20120912) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Hi Neil Have you tracked down the rest of his siblings in the 1911 census , as there appear to be another seven apart from Job & Edward. (12 born 9 living 3 dead Mike Fisher in Droitwich my family tree http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com On 13/09/2012 09:38, Neil Grantham wrote: > Thanks Dawn > > As far as I know, he didn't marry before my grandma in 1915, and didn't change his surname. > As I mentioned, his mother is listed in 1911 (with the Grantham Surname) living with Job's older brother Edward. They are at 9 Factory Street, Banbury. > > > Neil >

Thanks Dawn As far as I know, he didn't marry before my grandma in 1915, and didn't change his surname. As I mentioned, his mother is listed in 1911 (with the Grantham Surname) living with Job's older brother Edward. They are at 9 Factory Street, Banbury. Neil  ________________________________ From: Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> To: 'Neil Grantham' <neil40@btinternet.com>; oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2012, 4:12 Subject: RE: [OXF] 1911 Census help - fresh ideas needed! As a start - try to eliminate all you can.  Surname for sure, but Job could be misinterpreted as Joel, Jos Jas and John just off the top of my head.  I would ditch Oxfordshire as place of birth too.  Have you tried eg Banbury - or just nothing?  You will have to look about for him for sure - it will not be easy. There are 8 pages on fmp when I looked - Job, no surname - born 1891 -plus or minus two years, and there is a Job Granter whin Hampshire which you might want to check - born 1893 though I would not be concerned by a difference of one or two years in age.  These things vary and..  it would not prevent me looking him up, that is. Consider also he is using his Mum's maiden name - or, did Mum remarry a bit later? and if so, check that surname too.  Check neighbours and the old region of Banbury house by house too. And boats etc, army, whatever. Have you looked for marriages for him - he is old enough - and or emigration? Dawn (Melbourne Australia where it is cold and today raining heavily on and off) -----Original Message----- From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil Grantham Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012 7:34 AM To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [OXF] 1911 Census help - fresh ideas needed! Hello List I've been looking in vain for my Grandfather on the 1911 Census, and thought I'd address the list to see if anyone who's 'expert' at obscure searches can come up with some new ideas for finding him.   I've tried searching just on his forename and year of birth with oxfordshire as place of birth, all Granthams born in that year, Wildcard surname (Gr*nth*m) and also soundex on both fore and surname etc.   He was Job Grantham, and he was born in 1891 (6th Feb to be exact) at Mill Street, Banbury. He is with his parents in 1901 in Mill Lane, Banbury, but not 1911 - she is widowed living with one son.   Thanks for any thoughts on approaching this in a different way.   Neil ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. See http://www.ofhs.org.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7471 (20120912) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com/ __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7472 (20120912) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com/

Neil For No 9 Factory Street in 1911.If you look at The Schedule - On the cover of the form - filled in by the enumerator it states "Name of Head of Family or Separate Occupier - Mr J G Grantham" Regards Lesley -----Original Message----- From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil Grantham Sent: 11 September 2012 22:34 To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [OXF] 1911 Census help - fresh ideas needed! Hello List I've been looking in vain for my Grandfather on the 1911 Census, and thought I'd address the list to see if anyone who's 'expert' at obscure searches can come up with some new ideas for finding him.   I've tried searching just on his forename and year of birth with oxfordshire as place of birth, all Granthams born in that year, Wildcard surname (Gr*nth*m) and also soundex on both fore and surname etc.   He was Job Grantham, and he was born in 1891 (6th Feb to be exact) at Mill Street, Banbury. He is with his parents in 1901 in Mill Lane, Banbury, but not 1911 - she is widowed living with one son.   Thanks for any thoughts on approaching this in a different way.   Neil ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. See www.ofhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Neil Did you know that, when he enlisted in the army in 1914, he gave 9 Factory Street as his address? Regards Lesley -----Original Message----- From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil Grantham Sent: 12 September 2012 23:38 To: michaelcoomber@aol.com Cc: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OXF] 1911 Census help - fresh ideas needed! No he didn't change his name, or have a younger brother Henry, though the Grantham's (including another brother and his father) did work the Canals James (as you mention) would be related to Job though! Neil Sent from my iPhone On 12 Sep 2012, at 23:14, michaelcoomber@aol.com wrote: > Hi Neil, > Is it possible that he changed his name to James as there is a James Grantham aged 20 from Claydon Oxfordshire with a brother Henry aged 9 from Banbury Oxfordshire. > James is a master of a canal boat. > Regards > Mick > > > > > > Hello ListI've been looking in vain for my Grandfather on the 1911 Census, and thought I'd address the list to see if anyone who's 'expert' at obscure searches can come up with some new ideas for finding him. I've tried searching just on his forename and year of birth with oxfordshire as place of birth, all Granthams born in that year, Wildcard surname (Gr*nth*m) and also soundex on both fore and surname etc. He wasJob Grantham, and he was born in 1891 (6th Feb to be exact) at Mill Street, Banbury.He is with his parents in 1901 in Mill Lane, Banbury, but not 1911 - she is widowed living with one son. Thanks for any thoughts on approaching this in a different way. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. See www.ofhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> > I've been looking in vain for my Grandfather on the 1911 Census, and thought I'd address the list to see if anyone who's 'expert' at obscure searches can come up with some new ideas for finding him. >   > I've tried searching just on his forename and year of birth with oxfordshire as place of birth, all Granthams born in that year, Wildcard surname (Gr*nth*m) and also soundex on both fore and surname etc. >   > He was > Job Grantham, and he was born in 1891 (6th Feb to be exact) at Mill Street, Banbury. > He is with his parents in 1901 in Mill Lane, Banbury, but not 1911 - she is widowed living with one son. And maybe two daugters next door in Neithrop? I couldn't see anything obvious, but there was a Mr Grantham aged 19, living on a canal boat in Neithrop, but with a vote, which is very odd. Unless his address is 'The Canal Boat; inn?? He didn't come up in the general listsing, but maybe the boat had moved by the census day. eVE Author of The McLaughlin Guides for Family Historians Secretary, Bucks Genealogical Society

No he didn't change his name, or have a younger brother Henry, though the Grantham's (including another brother and his father) did work the Canals James (as you mention) would be related to Job though! Neil Sent from my iPhone On 12 Sep 2012, at 23:14, michaelcoomber@aol.com wrote: > Hi Neil, > Is it possible that he changed his name to James as there is a James Grantham aged 20 from Claydon Oxfordshire with a brother Henry aged 9 from Banbury Oxfordshire. > James is a master of a canal boat. > Regards > Mick > > > > > > Hello ListI've been looking in vain for my Grandfather on the 1911 Census, and thought I'd address the list to see if anyone who's 'expert' at obscure searches can come up with some new ideas for finding him. I've tried searching just on his forename and year of birth with oxfordshire as place of birth, all Granthams born in that year, Wildcard surname (Gr*nth*m) and also soundex on both fore and surname etc. He wasJob Grantham, and he was born in 1891 (6th Feb to be exact) at Mill Street, Banbury.He is with his parents in 1901 in Mill Lane, Banbury, but not 1911 - she is widowed living with one son. Thanks for any thoughts on approaching this in a different way.

Hi Neil, Is it possible that he changed his name to James as there is a James Grantham aged 20 from Claydon Oxfordshire with a brother Henry aged 9 from Banbury Oxfordshire. James is a master of a canal boat. Regards Mick Hello ListI've been looking in vain for my Grandfather on the 1911 Census, and thought I'd address the list to see if anyone who's 'expert' at obscure searches can come up with some new ideas for finding him. I've tried searching just on his forename and year of birth with oxfordshire as place of birth, all Granthams born in that year, Wildcard surname (Gr*nth*m) and also soundex on both fore and surname etc. He wasJob Grantham, and he was born in 1891 (6th Feb to be exact) at Mill Street, Banbury.He is with his parents in 1901 in Mill Lane, Banbury, but not 1911 - she is widowed living with one son. Thanks for any thoughts on approaching this in a different way.

Hello List I've been looking in vain for my Grandfather on the 1911 Census, and thought I'd address the list to see if anyone who's 'expert' at obscure searches can come up with some new ideas for finding him.   I've tried searching just on his forename and year of birth with oxfordshire as place of birth, all Granthams born in that year, Wildcard surname (Gr*nth*m) and also soundex on both fore and surname etc.   He was Job Grantham, and he was born in 1891 (6th Feb to be exact) at Mill Street, Banbury. He is with his parents in 1901 in Mill Lane, Banbury, but not 1911 - she is widowed living with one son.   Thanks for any thoughts on approaching this in a different way.   Neil

For this first time, Oxfordshire FHS is attending the Bristol & Avon FHS Open Day to be held this Saturday at Thornbury, Bristol. Details of the venue and wide variety of exhibitors are at www.bafhs.org.uk/component/content/article/32-news/280-baafhs-open-day-2012 Admission is free. We will be taking our range of CDs and a selection of books, and also the Society Search Services on computer such that we will be able to do searches in our databases. We'll be delighted to meet Oxfordshire list members. Wendy Chairman, Oxfordshire FHS www.ofhs.org.uk

Eunice. I am sending full details off list. Richard RICHINS is on my tree. Id Anne is related to you, then we are related !! Hugh Kearsey Hugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eunice Cubbage" <eunice@cubbage.plus.com> To: <oxfordshire-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 8:05 PM Subject: [OXF] Richard Richings/Anne Cubbage > Hi > > I have just stumbled on the fact that an Anna Cubbage married Richard > Richings > in the Headington RD in June Qtr 1849. > > I wonder if anyone has Richings ancestors and has found the details of > this wedding - > I don't know who Anna was at this point, although she's probably > connected to my husband's > line in some way, but I can't really justify forking out for a marriage > certificate at this point to > find out. > > I have found Anna in all of the censuses, she died in 1906 at the ripe > old age of 97 ! > > I think she's the same Anna Cubbage who was a servant at Halton House, > the home of > Sir John Dashwood-King in 1841, and I'd love to find out how she fits > into the Cubbage line. > > Any further information would be most welcome. > > Eunice Cubbage > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. > > See www.ofhs.org.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Eunice Not a lot of help but familysearch.org gives 7 June 1849 Saint Giles,Oxford as the marriage date and place Mike Fisher in Droitwich my family tree http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com On 05/09/2012 20:05, Eunice Cubbage wrote: > Hi > > I have just stumbled on the fact that an Anna Cubbage married Richard > Richings > in the Headington RD in June Qtr 1849. > > I wonder if anyone has Richings ancestors and has found the details of > this wedding - > I don't know who Anna was at this point, although she's probably > connected to my husband's > line in some way, but I can't really justify forking out for a marriage > certificate at this point to > find out. > > I have found Anna in all of the censuses, she died in 1906 at the ripe > old age of 97 ! > > I think she's the same Anna Cubbage who was a servant at Halton House, > the home of > Sir John Dashwood-King in 1841, and I'd love to find out how she fits > into the Cubbage line. > > Any further information would be most welcome. > > Eunice Cubbage > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi I have just stumbled on the fact that an Anna Cubbage married Richard Richings in the Headington RD in June Qtr 1849. I wonder if anyone has Richings ancestors and has found the details of this wedding - I don't know who Anna was at this point, although she's probably connected to my husband's line in some way, but I can't really justify forking out for a marriage certificate at this point to find out. I have found Anna in all of the censuses, she died in 1906 at the ripe old age of 97 ! I think she's the same Anna Cubbage who was a servant at Halton House, the home of Sir John Dashwood-King in 1841, and I'd love to find out how she fits into the Cubbage line. Any further information would be most welcome. Eunice Cubbage

Hi all Another 40-odd wills (etc) have been added as of 4 Sep, and can be found (as usual) at http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/index.html The majority are from the village of Holton (near Wheatley). Testator surnames are ANDREWS BAKER BALL BASSETT BATHURST BATTEN BAYLIS BIRD BLAKE BREWSTER BUTLER CHENEY CHILD CLARKE CUBBIDGE FLEXNEY FRANKLIN GRANT HANKS HONOR HORE LOADER LOWE PANGBORNE PRICE SABIN SMITH STOWE TITT TOWNSEND WISE Dave Beames -- wills coordinator