All The next computer meeting of the Oxfordshire Family History Society will take place on Monday 1 October 2012 at the usual venue at Exeter Hall, Oxford Road, Kidlington, Oxford OX5 1AB. Doors open at 7.15pm, with the talk starting at 7.30pm. The subject of the talk is :- "Social Networking – Getting the best from Facebook, Twitter, Google+ etc to extend our Family History research". This will be presented by Les Binns. All members, potential members and their guests are welcome. For directions as to how to get to the Exeter Hall, please see :- http://www.ofhs.org.uk/ExeterHall.html For a list of future OFHS meetings, please see :- http://www.ofhs.org.uk/meetings.html Any queries, please contact me. Paul Gaskell Publicity Officer Oxfordshire Family History Society www.ofhs.org.uk

Wendy, Many thanks for that. I do have access to on line British Library 19th century newspaper through my Lancashire Library membership and have found and copied the references you have given me. Regarding Henry Hicks,I have a copy of his death certificate and he died in the workhouse in 1893 having been an inmate for the last 30 odd years of his life. The mystery being the reason for his downfall which as yet I have been unable to resolve. Peter On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Wendy King <wendyking37@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Peter does your local library give you access on line to the British > Library 19th Century Newspapers? > > Have had a browse through Jackson's Oxford Journal and cannot find an > obituary for Henry Hicks but did find couple of items for Alfred and Thomas > Joy: > > text as in article: > > Notice is hereby given that the partnership heretofore existing between us > the undersigned Thomas Joy and Alfred Joy' of the City of Oxford, carrying > on the business or trade of tailors and robe makers under the firm "Thomas > and Alfred Joy", was, as and from the 31 day of December last, dissolved by > mutual consent dated first day of February 1853. Thomas Joy, Alfred Joy. > > extract from article: a notice in 1850 listed the latest local business's > subscriptions to fund Wash Houses and Public Baths in Oxford - Thomas and > Alfred Joy contributed £1 1s. > > > Wendy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Cowley > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 12:17 PM > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [OXF] Henry Hicks & Thomas Joy 1850s Oxford > > There is still of course one Hicks wholesale greengrocery business in > Oxford. (Unless my memory is playing tricks, I think there were two retail > shops until about 20 years ago.) > > Cheers, > > Bob Cowley > --------------- > > On Sep 16 2012, D Taylor wrote: > >>I wonder if some one can shed some light onto a mystery concerning two >>branches of my family living in Oxford between the 1851 and 1861 >>census returns? >> >>The first is a Henry Hicks whose father, Paul Hicks a grocer in >>Oxford, died in 1839 leaving his business to him. >>This is reflected in the 1841 and 1851 census returns. >>The 1861 census has him in the workhouse where he spent the rest of >>his life until his death in1893. >> >>The second concerns Henry Hicks' cousin, Thomas Joy,whose father >>William Joy (Henry Hicks' uncle) died in 1847. >>William Joy was a tailor and son Thomas,together with his brother >>Alfred,took over the family business. >>This is reflected in the 1851 census. >>The 1861 census has Thomas,no longer a tailor,living in London. >>The 1871 census has him as a temporary clerk at a Post Office in London. >>No sign of Alfred >> >>Is it just a coincidence that these two businesses failed or did >>something happen in Oxford during this period to cause a down turn in >>the economy? >>The effects of the Crimea War perhaps? >> >>Peter Taylor >>Glossop >>Derbyshire >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. >> >> See www.ofhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from >> the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with >> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >> the message > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. > > See www.ofhs.org.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. > > See www.ofhs.org.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you google Alfred + Joy + Oxford you get a couple of references to his his diary in the information line for it states he was a Freeman of Oxford a link to a book 'Through Australian Eyes' which talks about his house a two bedroom iron structure, says he arrived as ' a relatively affluent 30 year old gentleman and found employment as an auctioneer in partnership with an acquaintance called Alfred BLISS and he called his house in Melbourne Oxford Lodge. Wendy

Peter does your local library give you access on line to the British Library 19th Century Newspapers? Have had a browse through Jackson's Oxford Journal and cannot find an obituary for Henry Hicks but did find couple of items for Alfred and Thomas Joy: text as in article: Notice is hereby given that the partnership heretofore existing between us the undersigned Thomas Joy and Alfred Joy' of the City of Oxford, carrying on the business or trade of tailors and robe makers under the firm "Thomas and Alfred Joy", was, as and from the 31 day of December last, dissolved by mutual consent dated first day of February 1853. Thomas Joy, Alfred Joy. extract from article: a notice in 1850 listed the latest local business's subscriptions to fund Wash Houses and Public Baths in Oxford - Thomas and Alfred Joy contributed £1 1s. Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Bob Cowley Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 12:17 PM To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OXF] Henry Hicks & Thomas Joy 1850s Oxford There is still of course one Hicks wholesale greengrocery business in Oxford. (Unless my memory is playing tricks, I think there were two retail shops until about 20 years ago.) Cheers, Bob Cowley --------------- On Sep 16 2012, D Taylor wrote: >I wonder if some one can shed some light onto a mystery concerning two >branches of my family living in Oxford between the 1851 and 1861 >census returns? > >The first is a Henry Hicks whose father, Paul Hicks a grocer in >Oxford, died in 1839 leaving his business to him. >This is reflected in the 1841 and 1851 census returns. >The 1861 census has him in the workhouse where he spent the rest of >his life until his death in1893. > >The second concerns Henry Hicks' cousin, Thomas Joy,whose father >William Joy (Henry Hicks' uncle) died in 1847. >William Joy was a tailor and son Thomas,together with his brother >Alfred,took over the family business. >This is reflected in the 1851 census. >The 1861 census has Thomas,no longer a tailor,living in London. >The 1871 census has him as a temporary clerk at a Post Office in London. >No sign of Alfred > >Is it just a coincidence that these two businesses failed or did >something happen in Oxford during this period to cause a down turn in >the economy? >The effects of the Crimea War perhaps? > >Peter Taylor >Glossop >Derbyshire > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. > > See www.ofhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from > the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. See www.ofhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From Jackson's Oxford Journal, Saturday, February 12, 1814; Issue 3173.  A few days since was married, at Richmond, Surrey, Mr. E. HAWKES , of Boddicott, in this county, aged 68, to Mrs. Ann BURR , of the former place, aged 70.

>From Jackson's Oxford Journal, Saturday, July 23, 1814; Issue 3196.   OXFORD HOUSE.Mrs. WALL respectfully acquaints her friends, that her SCHOOL is again open for the reception of Pupils, and that, for the better instruction of the French Language, she has engaged a Teacher who is native of France.                           ______________________________________   LADIES' SEMINARY, HOLIWELL, OXFORD.THE MISSES TRASH beg to acquaint their Friends and the Public, that the duties of their SCHOOL will be resumed on Monday, the 25th inst.July 22,1814.                          ________________________________________   NORTH WESTON HOUSE.MRS. PHELPS and MISS LUPTON respectfully inform their friends and the public, that their SCHOOL will re-open on Wednesday the 27th.

From The Standard ( London, England ), Monday, November 01,1830; Issue 1081.  MARRIAGE. Oct.28, at Clitheroe, the Rev. E. H. ORME , B. A. of St. Mary-hall, Oxford, eldest son of Edward ORME , Esq.,  Fitzroy-square, London, to Mary, eldest daughter of Jeremiah GARNETT , Esq., Roe Field, Lancashire.

thanks Beverley....I've printed your info......no she isn't mine as her father definitely died 1842...but it well may be a relation........Heather in suddenly flipping-cold Dunedin --- On Wed, 19/9/12, Beverley McCombs <bmccombs@actrix.gen.nz> wrote: > From: Beverley McCombs <bmccombs@actrix.gen.nz> > Subject: Re: [OXF] Ann MOSS > To: jill@shottle.plus.com, oxfordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, 19, September, 2012, 4:38 PM > Hi Heather > > Thanks to Ancestry.com.au and the 1851 England Census I have > found an Ann > Moss, age 23, estimated birth 1828, daughter of Thomas Moss. > She was born in > Coggs, in the registration district of Witney, Oxfordshire. > She is living in > Coggs with her father, 40, who is a widower and works as a > labourer, and her > sister Mary, 19, who works as a glover. > > In the 1861 England Census and thanks to "these records may > be relevant" > there is an Ann Brooke,30, estimated birth 1831, born in > Cogges, married to > John Brooke, 30, born in Finstock, Oxfordshire, and working > as a boat > builder. They have four children: John 7, James 3, Emily 2, > and 4 month old > Charles. All the children were born in Cogges where the > family is living. > > I hope this is your Ann Moss but her father Thomas is still > alive in the > 1851 Census so maybe it's not your Ann after all. > > Optimistically, Bev in Windy Wellington, NZ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Jill Muir > Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2012 7:15 a.m. > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com; > oxfordshire-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [OXF] Ann MOSS > > Hi Heather, > I don't know if this is her: > > There is an Ann MOSS who married Eli DAVIS at > Northleach     11    > 541 > > Ancestry Trees show her marriage as at Compton Abdale, > Gloucestershire on > 2nd Nov 1850 > > I'll look again tomorrow, but I believe I have her on 1911 > census living in > Birmingham. > > Cheers, Jill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Heather Grimwood > Sent: 17 September 2012 07:52 > To: oxfordshire-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [OXF] Ann MOSS > > I  have  never  found  trace  > of  Ann  MOSS  bap  22  Mar > 1829  Witney  dau > of Thomas  MOSS  and  Elizabeth  > SHEARD  except  as  a  12yr-old  > in  1841 > census  living  in  'Moss  Cottage' > ,  Curbridge  with  parents  and  > four > younger sisters,  all traced  through  > lives. > By  1851, one  sister  and  father  > Tom  had died. I'd  be  overjoyed if > anyone  knows.......Heather  in  sunny > Dunedin  New Zealand > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. > > See www.ofhs.org.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. > > See www.ofhs.org.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. > > See www.ofhs.org.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Good evening Heather. I have the Coggs Parish Registers and see that on 9.9.1827 Ann Moss was baptised there, dau. of Thomas & Charlotte of High Coggs,lab. And on 26.2.1832 Mary Moss was bapt. there also dau. of Thomas & Charlotte. Two other Moss families in Coggs had children baptised there until 1836. I cannot find her marriage either : she was not married in Coggs,Witney or Charlbury and no Banns were called at Coggs or Charlbury (for Finstock). A John Brooks was baptised 25.7.1827 at Charlbury, son of Charles Brooks, a musician, and Hannah, of Finstock. His was the closest to his estimated birth in 1830. The New Zealanders were extremely kind to all the crew of HMS Theseus when we visited in 1947, so if I can be of any help please ask. Best wishes Joe Emery ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverley McCombs" <bmccombs@actrix.gen.nz> To: <jill@shottle.plus.com>; <oxfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 5:38 AM Subject: Re: [OXF] Ann MOSS > Hi Heather > > Thanks to Ancestry.com.au and the 1851 England Census I have found an Ann > Moss, age 23, estimated birth 1828, daughter of Thomas Moss. She was born in > Coggs, in the registration district of Witney, Oxfordshire. She is living in > Coggs with her father, 40, who is a widower and works as a labourer, and her > sister Mary, 19, who works as a glover. > > In the 1861 England Census and thanks to "these records may be relevant" > there is an Ann Brooke,30, estimated birth 1831, born in Cogges, married to > John Brooke, 30, born in Finstock, Oxfordshire, and working as a boat > builder. They have four children: John 7, James 3, Emily 2, and 4 month old > Charles. All the children were born in Cogges where the family is living. > > I hope this is your Ann Moss but her father Thomas is still alive in the > 1851 Census so maybe it's not your Ann after all. > > Optimistically, Bev in Windy Wellington, NZ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jill Muir > Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2012 7:15 a.m. > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com; oxfordshire-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [OXF] Ann MOSS > > Hi Heather, > I don't know if this is her: > > There is an Ann MOSS who married Eli DAVIS at Northleach 11 541 > > Ancestry Trees show her marriage as at Compton Abdale, Gloucestershire on > 2nd Nov 1850 > > I'll look again tomorrow, but I believe I have her on 1911 census living in > Birmingham. > > Cheers, Jill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Heather Grimwood > Sent: 17 September 2012 07:52 > To: oxfordshire-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [OXF] Ann MOSS > > I have never found trace of Ann MOSS bap 22 Mar 1829 Witney dau > of Thomas MOSS and Elizabeth SHEARD except as a 12yr-old in 1841 > census living in 'Moss Cottage' , Curbridge with parents and four > younger sisters, all traced through lives. > By 1851, one sister and father Tom had died. I'd be overjoyed if > anyone knows.......Heather in sunny Dunedin New Zealand > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. > > See www.ofhs.org.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. > > See www.ofhs.org.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. > > See www.ofhs.org.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Heather Thanks to Ancestry.com.au and the 1851 England Census I have found an Ann Moss, age 23, estimated birth 1828, daughter of Thomas Moss. She was born in Coggs, in the registration district of Witney, Oxfordshire. She is living in Coggs with her father, 40, who is a widower and works as a labourer, and her sister Mary, 19, who works as a glover. In the 1861 England Census and thanks to "these records may be relevant" there is an Ann Brooke,30, estimated birth 1831, born in Cogges, married to John Brooke, 30, born in Finstock, Oxfordshire, and working as a boat builder. They have four children: John 7, James 3, Emily 2, and 4 month old Charles. All the children were born in Cogges where the family is living. I hope this is your Ann Moss but her father Thomas is still alive in the 1851 Census so maybe it's not your Ann after all. Optimistically, Bev in Windy Wellington, NZ -----Original Message----- From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jill Muir Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2012 7:15 a.m. To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com; oxfordshire-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OXF] Ann MOSS Hi Heather, I don't know if this is her: There is an Ann MOSS who married Eli DAVIS at Northleach 11 541 Ancestry Trees show her marriage as at Compton Abdale, Gloucestershire on 2nd Nov 1850 I'll look again tomorrow, but I believe I have her on 1911 census living in Birmingham. Cheers, Jill -----Original Message----- From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Heather Grimwood Sent: 17 September 2012 07:52 To: oxfordshire-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [OXF] Ann MOSS I have never found trace of Ann MOSS bap 22 Mar 1829 Witney dau of Thomas MOSS and Elizabeth SHEARD except as a 12yr-old in 1841 census living in 'Moss Cottage' , Curbridge with parents and four younger sisters, all traced through lives. By 1851, one sister and father Tom had died. I'd be overjoyed if anyone knows.......Heather in sunny Dunedin New Zealand ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. See www.ofhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. See www.ofhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

could well be....Kaye Saunders gave me another Ann listed in 2 Ancestry trees who married (but no date) John BROOKE of Cogges and apparently lived there till 1871 at least having 8 children first b 1854......Cogges IS very near Curbridge where her mother lived. On other hand Ann was not WITH her mother in 1851 census which could point to the 'Eli" marriage. I must get to library ( GRO index etc) and send for certs....parents would be Elizabeth nee SHEARD and Thomas dec carpenter/sexton. I certainly couldn't find her as single person in any census after 1841. ....x....Heather Have always thought I was exposed to Eli/Samuel story with its "Here am I" ( the pictures of Samuel had such lovely golden curls which I envied) to explain why I've had such a busy life and not yet completed my family history!!! --- On Wed, 19/9/12, Jill Muir <jill@shottle.plus.com> wrote: > From: Jill Muir <jill@shottle.plus.com> > Subject: Re: [OXF] Ann MOSS > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com, oxfordshire-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, 19, September, 2012, 7:15 AM > Hi Heather, > I don't know if this is her: > > There is an Ann MOSS who married Eli DAVIS at > Northleach     11    > 541 > > Ancestry Trees show her marriage as at Compton Abdale, > Gloucestershire on > 2nd Nov 1850 > > I'll look again tomorrow, but I believe I have her on 1911 > census living in > Birmingham. > > Cheers, Jill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Heather Grimwood > Sent: 17 September 2012 07:52 > To: oxfordshire-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [OXF] Ann MOSS > > I  have  never  found  trace  > of  Ann  MOSS  bap  22  Mar > 1829  Witney  dau > of Thomas  MOSS  and  Elizabeth  > SHEARD  except  as  a  12yr-old  > in  1841 > census  living  in  'Moss  Cottage' > ,  Curbridge  with  parents  and  > four > younger sisters,  all traced  through  > lives. > By  1851, one  sister  and  father  > Tom  had died. I'd  be  overjoyed if > anyone  knows.......Heather  in  sunny > Dunedin  New Zealand > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. > > See www.ofhs.org.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. > > See www.ofhs.org.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Hi Heather, I don't know if this is her: There is an Ann MOSS who married Eli DAVIS at Northleach 11 541 Ancestry Trees show her marriage as at Compton Abdale, Gloucestershire on 2nd Nov 1850 I'll look again tomorrow, but I believe I have her on 1911 census living in Birmingham. Cheers, Jill -----Original Message----- From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Heather Grimwood Sent: 17 September 2012 07:52 To: oxfordshire-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [OXF] Ann MOSS I have never found trace of Ann MOSS bap 22 Mar 1829 Witney dau of Thomas MOSS and Elizabeth SHEARD except as a 12yr-old in 1841 census living in 'Moss Cottage' , Curbridge with parents and four younger sisters, all traced through lives. By 1851, one sister and father Tom had died. I'd be overjoyed if anyone knows.......Heather in sunny Dunedin New Zealand ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. See www.ofhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Colleagues The next meeting of the Oxfordshire Family History Society will take place on Monday 24 September 2012. It will be held at the usual venue at Exeter Hall, Oxford Road, Kidlington, Oxford OX5 1AB. Doors open at 7.15pm for coffee, help with both genealogy and computers, and the bookstall. The subject of the talk at 8.00pm is "Counting the people : census returns online", which will be presented by Dave Annal. The latter has been involved in the world of family history research for over thirty years. He began researching his own family history in 1977, and has worked as a professional researcher since 1984. He spent eleven years working for The National Archives, where he was appointed to the post of Senior Family History Specialist. He has written a number of books on a variety of family history topics, and is a regular contributor to "Your Family History" magazine as one of the regular panel of experts. A census of England and Wales has been taken every ten years since 1801, and the surviving records now form one of family history’s key resources. The schedules for the years 1841 to 1911 are now easily accessible online, but finding our ancestors is not always as easy as we like. Based on more than thirty years experience of working with census returns, Dave Annal will introduce some essential techniques for searching online databases, and will provide some vital clues to help you track down your elusive ancestors. All members, potential members and their guests are welcome. For directions as to how to get to the Exeter Hall, please see :- http://www.ofhs.org.uk/ExeterHall.html For a list of future OFHS meetings, please see :- http://www.ofhs.org.uk/meetings.html Any queries, please contact me. Paul Gaskell Publicity Officer Oxfordshire Family History Society www.ofhs.org.uk

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Bob if you cannot find anyone to do this for you it is worth asking Oxhist (use link at bottom of page on the Alfred Joy pamphlet) if it can be copied and if so the cost. In my experience their prices per page/sheet are fair and the service is excellent regards Wendy -----Original Message----- From: D Taylor Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:45 AM To: bob@theideafactory.co.uk ; oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OXF] Henry Hicks & Thomas Joy 1850s Oxford Thank you Wendy and Bob for your input,both of which I'll try and follow up on. Regarding Wendy's suggestion that Alfred Joy may have gone to Australia is interesting. I looked up the Heritage Search as suggested and it seems that Alfred Joy wrote a dairy,a copy of which is held by Oxford Heritage This could perhaps answer my query as to what happened to the family tailoring business in that he has given his reason for moving from Oxford to Melbourne. As I live in Derbyshire and as such it is difficult for me to look at this diary is there some kind soul out there who could have a look for me? Regards Peter Taylor Glossop On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Bob Cowley <bob@theideafactory.co.uk> wrote: > There is still of course one Hicks wholesale greengrocery business in > Oxford. (Unless my memory is playing tricks, I think there were two retail > shops until about 20 years ago.) > > Cheers, > > Bob Cowley > --------------- > > On Sep 16 2012, D Taylor wrote: > >>I wonder if some one can shed some light onto a mystery concerning two >>branches of my family living in Oxford between the 1851 and 1861 >>census returns? >> >>The first is a Henry Hicks whose father, Paul Hicks a grocer in >>Oxford, died in 1839 leaving his business to him. >>This is reflected in the 1841 and 1851 census returns. >>The 1861 census has him in the workhouse where he spent the rest of >>his life until his death in1893. >> >>The second concerns Henry Hicks' cousin, Thomas Joy,whose father >>William Joy (Henry Hicks' uncle) died in 1847. >>William Joy was a tailor and son Thomas,together with his brother >>Alfred,took over the family business. >>This is reflected in the 1851 census. >>The 1861 census has Thomas,no longer a tailor,living in London. >>The 1871 census has him as a temporary clerk at a Post Office in London. >>No sign of Alfred >> >>Is it just a coincidence that these two businesses failed or did >>something happen in Oxford during this period to cause a down turn in >>the economy? >>The effects of the Crimea War perhaps? >> >>Peter Taylor >>Glossop >>Derbyshire >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. >> >> See www.ofhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from >> the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with >> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >> the message > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. > > See www.ofhs.org.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. See www.ofhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter - > I looked up the Heritage Search as suggested and it seems that Alfred > Joy wrote a dairy,a copy of which is held by Oxford Heritage > This could perhaps answer my query as to what happened to the family > tailoring business in that he has given his reason for moving from > Oxford to Melbourne. > As I live in Derbyshire and as such it is difficult for me to look at > this diary is there some kind soul out there who could have a look for > me? Yes, I'm happy to do so. Wendy (Archer, not King!)

Thank you Wendy and Bob for your input,both of which I'll try and follow up on. Regarding Wendy's suggestion that Alfred Joy may have gone to Australia is interesting. I looked up the Heritage Search as suggested and it seems that Alfred Joy wrote a dairy,a copy of which is held by Oxford Heritage This could perhaps answer my query as to what happened to the family tailoring business in that he has given his reason for moving from Oxford to Melbourne. As I live in Derbyshire and as such it is difficult for me to look at this diary is there some kind soul out there who could have a look for me? Regards Peter Taylor Glossop On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Bob Cowley <bob@theideafactory.co.uk> wrote: > There is still of course one Hicks wholesale greengrocery business in > Oxford. (Unless my memory is playing tricks, I think there were two retail > shops until about 20 years ago.) > > Cheers, > > Bob Cowley > --------------- > > On Sep 16 2012, D Taylor wrote: > >>I wonder if some one can shed some light onto a mystery concerning two >>branches of my family living in Oxford between the 1851 and 1861 >>census returns? >> >>The first is a Henry Hicks whose father, Paul Hicks a grocer in >>Oxford, died in 1839 leaving his business to him. >>This is reflected in the 1841 and 1851 census returns. >>The 1861 census has him in the workhouse where he spent the rest of >>his life until his death in1893. >> >>The second concerns Henry Hicks' cousin, Thomas Joy,whose father >>William Joy (Henry Hicks' uncle) died in 1847. >>William Joy was a tailor and son Thomas,together with his brother >>Alfred,took over the family business. >>This is reflected in the 1851 census. >>The 1861 census has Thomas,no longer a tailor,living in London. >>The 1871 census has him as a temporary clerk at a Post Office in London. >>No sign of Alfred >> >>Is it just a coincidence that these two businesses failed or did >>something happen in Oxford during this period to cause a down turn in >>the economy? >>The effects of the Crimea War perhaps? >> >>Peter Taylor >>Glossop >>Derbyshire >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. >> >> See www.ofhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from >> the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with >> the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >> the message > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. > > See www.ofhs.org.uk > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have never found trace of Ann MOSS bap 22 Mar 1829 Witney dau of Thomas MOSS and Elizabeth SHEARD except as a 12yr-old in 1841 census living in 'Moss Cottage' , Curbridge with parents and four younger sisters, all traced through lives. By 1851, one sister and father Tom had died. I'd be overjoyed if anyone knows.......Heather in sunny Dunedin New Zealand

There is still of course one Hicks wholesale greengrocery business in Oxford. (Unless my memory is playing tricks, I think there were two retail shops until about 20 years ago.) Cheers, Bob Cowley --------------- On Sep 16 2012, D Taylor wrote: >I wonder if some one can shed some light onto a mystery concerning two >branches of my family living in Oxford between the 1851 and 1861 >census returns? > >The first is a Henry Hicks whose father, Paul Hicks a grocer in >Oxford, died in 1839 leaving his business to him. >This is reflected in the 1841 and 1851 census returns. >The 1861 census has him in the workhouse where he spent the rest of >his life until his death in1893. > >The second concerns Henry Hicks' cousin, Thomas Joy,whose father >William Joy (Henry Hicks' uncle) died in 1847. >William Joy was a tailor and son Thomas,together with his brother >Alfred,took over the family business. >This is reflected in the 1851 census. >The 1861 census has Thomas,no longer a tailor,living in London. >The 1871 census has him as a temporary clerk at a Post Office in London. >No sign of Alfred > >Is it just a coincidence that these two businesses failed or did >something happen in Oxford during this period to cause a down turn in >the economy? >The effects of the Crimea War perhaps? > >Peter Taylor >Glossop >Derbyshire > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. > > See www.ofhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from > the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message

For Thomas perhaps it was because Alfred may have emigrated to Melbourne check out the following link (provided by Wendy Archer some time ago) www.oxfordshire.gov.uk-heritage and using the advanced search put the names in the exact phrase box . In the Local studies results for Thomas Joy you will find a link to Alfred's account of his migration to Melbourne. There is nothing for Henry Hicks Wendy -----Original Message----- From: D Taylor Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:00 PM To: OXFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [OXF] Henry Hicks & Thomas Joy 1850s Oxford I wonder if some one can shed some light onto a mystery concerning two branches of my family living in Oxford between the 1851 and 1861 census returns? The first is a Henry Hicks whose father, Paul Hicks a grocer in Oxford, died in 1839 leaving his business to him. This is reflected in the 1841 and 1851 census returns. The 1861 census has him in the workhouse where he spent the rest of his life until his death in1893. The second concerns Henry Hicks' cousin, Thomas Joy,whose father William Joy (Henry Hicks' uncle) died in 1847. William Joy was a tailor and son Thomas,together with his brother Alfred,took over the family business. This is reflected in the 1851 census. The 1861 census has Thomas,no longer a tailor,living in London. The 1871 census has him as a temporary clerk at a Post Office in London. No sign of Alfred Is it just a coincidence that these two businesses failed or did something happen in Oxford during this period to cause a down turn in the economy? The effects of the Crimea War perhaps? Peter Taylor Glossop Derbyshire ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OFHS Open Day - 6 October at Woodstock. See www.ofhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message